J/92 for me?

[skiemele]

Hello all,

I am interested in upgrading to a J/92 and would like some advice from
your group. I mostly sail on an inland southern US lake (Lake
Hartwell on the Savannah river between NE Georgia and Western South
Carolina). The wind is generally light - 5 to 10 mph. I have sailed
a J/24 for the last 20 years. I race PHRF and the main competition
for the top of the fleet is a Melges 24 and a Capri 25.

My main interest in the J/92 is for a more stable boat and one that is
less crew-intensive for use of the spinnaker. I’m 61 and my wife is
60. She generally races with me but does not enjoy the J/24 when the
wind reaches the mid-teens.

Given the above, I would appreciate responses to the following
questions:

1. Which would be a better boat for my purposes – a J/92 or a J/92S?
2. Can an overlapping headsail be used with a J/92S?
3. In 15 mph winds, how do the sheet loads for the class jib compare
to that of a J/24 genoa?
4. Have hull blisters been a problem with any of the J/92 production
years?
5. Have there been different methods of construction over the years
and if so, which is better?

I would be interested in a late model boat in very good shape – not a
“project.” If anyone knows of one, please let me know.

Thanks

[Andy Oeftering]

J92 is an excellent choice for mostly light air. There a number of excellent J92s on the market. Comparing the J92 to the J92S, consider the following. A J92 S is roughly double the cost of a J92. The J92s is a more modern design with deeper keel and taller rig but most discussion in this forum regarding differences between the two boats lead me to conclude the the J92S enhancements don't translate to better speed, especially when you consider the handicap hit on a J92S (check your local PHRF ratings).

On the upside, the J92S can be bought new or nearly new, which takes out the 'project' factor. I believe all J92's built after 1993 employ the SCRIMP construction process. My boat is a '93 and there's no sign of blistering and the survey of 2008 found no moisture in the hull. The boat was, and still is a beauty.

Moisture has been a problem above deck for some, especially in the cockpit where the mainsheet swivel attaches to the cockpit floor, and water damage has been a problem for some owners at the chainplates and genoa/jib tracks.

I was a J24 owner myself. Jib loads when compared to a J24 are much greater. You won't muscle the jib above 10 knots like you can a J24. Nonetheless the boat is quite easy to single or double hand. I raced spinnaker with just myself and two crew.

As for genoa on a J92S, I imagine as long as you can set up tracks and cars, a full overlapping genoa is an option. Check with your local PHRF for a ratings hit before proceeding.

Hope this helps.
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[Todd Aven]

The outboard chainplates on the 's' will preclude overlapping
headsails. For light air racing, the classic 92 is the way to go.

On Feb 16, 2010, at 11:16 AM, "Andy Oeftering"

[Jim Stansbury]

I'll offer my J/92 for sale in the pictures below:
http://picasaweb.google.com/vm.jimstansbury/J92ForSale#

It's brokered at http://www.northpointyachtsales.com/index.php/new-jboats.

Thanks,
Jim Stansbury
240-401-7944
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Subject: [j92owners] J/92 for me?

Hello all,

Thanks

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[Tyler, Pete]

Todd

Not sure I agree with you re the J92S in light airs

We certainly hold our pace in light airs against the J92, agree that the
overlapping headsail is a help, but the bigger main makes a difference

For short handed the 92S also wins, less need for headsail changes if you
get your loft to make you a good heavy No.1

A lot of 92 are adding mast head kites too here in UK

Best Regards

Pete

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[Andy Dennis]

As far as I understand from J-uk none of the 92's were built with scrimp.
This is for bigger boats - i.e. 105's from 95 onwards etc.

However, happy to be corrected. I'm sure the manufacturer specs would prove
accurately.
Andy.

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Subject: Re: [j92owners] J/92 for me?

Hello all,

1. Which would be a better boat for my purposes - a J/92 or a J/92S?

2. Can an overlapping headsail be used with a J/92S?
3. In 15 mph winds, how do the sheet loads for the class jib compare
to that of a J/24 genoa?
4. Have hull blisters been a problem with any of the J/92 production
years?
5. Have there been different methods of construction over the years
and if so, which is better?

I would be interested in a late model boat in very good shape - not a

[Colin Mann]

I agree. The version I heard was that the /92 mould (made before they
developed Scrimp) did not allow use of Scrimp.
The mould was shipped to Europe and used for the /92 classics there too.
Therefore, no classic /92's were Scrimped.

Cheers,

Colin
J/92 #8

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Subject: RE: [j92owners] J/92 for me?

> As far as I understand from J-uk none of the 92's were built with scrimp.
> This is for bigger boats - i.e. 105's from 95 onwards etc.
>
> However, happy to be corrected. I'm sure the manufacturer specs would
> prove
> accurately.
> Andy.
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> From: j92o...@googlegroups.com [mailto:j92o...@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Andy Oeftering
> Sent: 16 February 2010 16:17
> To: j92o...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [j92owners] J/92 for me?
>

> 1. Which would be a better boat for my purposes - a J/92 or a J/92S?

> 2. Can an overlapping headsail be used with a J/92S?
> 3. In 15 mph winds, how do the sheet loads for the class jib compare
> to that of a J/24 genoa?
> 4. Have hull blisters been a problem with any of the J/92 production
> years?
> 5. Have there been different methods of construction over the years
> and if so, which is better?
>

> I would be interested in a late model boat in very good shape - not a

[Andrew Oeftering]

Nice looking boat.  Very clean interior. 

[Trenter Ellis]

I agree with Todd - certainly under IRC it is quite difficult to sail a J/92 (classic) to it's handicap in moderate conditions, however in the light with an overlapping headsail it is a very fast boat, upwind and down. 

Obviously downwind in the light everybody is sailing hot angles and this is when the large asym comes into its own. 

For sailing on a lake in flat water and light airs I think a J/92 would be almost perfect. It is also a very agile boat so tacking on shifts is quick and easy compared with other similar sized boats which is surely another advantage on a lake.

Cheers,
Trenter

Perfect J
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[Astrid van der Starre]

Tod,

Can you add Peter van der Starre to the e mailing list j92owners?
The e mail adres is: jjned6899@gmail.
We are the owners of the J92: Jolly J.

Greetings
fam van der Starre
The Netherlands

[Mark van Weeren]

Hallo Peter,

leuk ook weer een bericht van jullie te horen!

Wij liggen komend jaar met onze Jump of Joy in Muiderzand...

Mochten jullie op het Markermeer terecht komen laat dan maar weten!

gr, Mark van Weeren en Manon van der List

>>> less crew-intensive for use of the spinnaker. Iąm 61 and my wife is

>>> 60. She generally races with me but does not enjoy the J/24 when the
>>> wind reaches the mid-teens.
>>>
>>> Given the above, I would appreciate responses to the following
>>> questions:
>>>
>>> 1. Which would be a better boat for my purposes a J/92 or a J/9
>>> 2S?
>>> 2. Can an overlapping headsail be used with a J/92S?
>>> 3. In 15 mph winds, how do the sheet loads for the class jib
>>> compare
>>> to that of a J/24 genoa?
>>> 4. Have hull blisters been a problem with any of the J/92
>>> production
>>> years?
>>> 5. Have there been different methods of construction over the years
>>> and if so, which is better?
>>>
>>> I would be interested in a late model boat in very good shape not
>>> a

>>> łproject.˛ If anyone knows of one, please let me know.