J92 and STIX

[Phil Wampold]

I seriously want a J/92 but am a little disappointed by its STIX rating.  IT is very good for a 30 footer but just misses out on a rating of 32 that is needed for some offshore races such as the Oregon Offshore.  Has anyone modified the ballast plan to obtain a higher STIX?  How would this be possible, adding weight or length to the keel?  From what I have seen they come from the factory with a STIX of 31 and AVS of 129.

Looking for a west coast boat so any leads would also be welcome!

Thanks,

P

[Joe Cooper]

Lighter standing rigging is way easier faster and cheaper (than futzing with the keel) and can readily be removed to put the boat back in class when you sell her.

Even if you don’t do anything with this, you ought to do the due diligence.

C 

Joe Cooper

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[Ragtime!]

If you can get it up to 5,800 lbs or so the STIX gets better.  But the best thing to do is lobby against this ill-informed spread of stability indices for offshore races.  They have been proven many times to be an inconsistent measure of seaworthiness.

As those on this board know, I've been singlehanding my J/92 on San Francisco Bay and offshore for 14 years, including three Hawaii races (and a rough return).  The boat does fine offshore, STIX be damned.

Bob J.

[Ragtime!]

The local J/Dealer just listed this one:

http://www.sailcal.com/brokerage/?rPage=/privatelabel/listing/pl_boat_full_detail.jsp?slim=pp290331&boat_id=3059326&ybw=&units=Feet&access=Public&listing_id=9944&url=

This ad has been up for awhile - not sure if the boat has sold:

http://sailinganarchy.com/classifieds/show-ad/?id=2754

On Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 9:18:45 PM UTC-8, Phil Wampold wrote:

[John Madey]

I'll preference this by saying I am not a measurer or a us sailing judge and like all things posted on the internet you need to verify but in this case you might want to check with the race committee. 

Stability indexes intrigue me so I looked up the race. Looks like a cool race. In the safety regulations there are two relevant passages 2.2.2 and 2.2.3. They say almost the exact thing and it looks like one is for a isaf category 2 race and the other for a isaf category 3 race, is there a inshore and off shore course?  

On the us sailing website. 

http://www.ussailing.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/ISAF-Mo2-extract-with-US-Prescriptions.pdf

In the us sailing link in section 3.04.4 there is similar verbiage except the statements are eithers. So I think you need to meet one of the statements.  If that is what the RC intends then a requirement might be ORC SI of 103 or 110. Again verify with the race committee at to their intent. 

Looking at my ORR certificate I see a stability index of 110 for my J92. I believe the ORR number is the same as the ORC. 

The race committee probably has the ORC stability list and can verify the J92 number

You mileage may vary and don't buy a boat based on some random guy's comments on the Internet 

J

[Ragtime!]

I have to ask:  Is this the Phil Wampold of "Team Mau" fame???

[Phil Wampold]

I agree that all of the stability ratings work pretty poorly for a 30ft boat.. Just look at the figaro 1 which has time and time again proved itself but yet wont classify as category A. It seems that 32ft and 3 tonnes are the magic numbers. STIX seems to be calculated by magical calculations of length, displacement, beam, ability to shed water after knockdown, angle of vanishing stability, downflooding, cabin superstructure, freeboard in breaking seas among other things.  Of these really only displacement, and angle of vanishing stability could be changed.  I wonder if anyone has tried?  Im just thinking that it would be a shame to buy a boat and years down the line have an offshore race tragedy that leads RCs to start being very strict on stability indexes and not be able to modify the boat to suit.  

Have owners here had much luck petitioning race committees to waive requirements for CAT A or ORC 1 and 2?  I know Pac Cup and SSTP modify the rules to promote small boat entrants, but what other offshore races do this?

Regarding the Oregon Offshore, it seems that a talk with the RC would be worthwhile as 2.2.2 and 2.2.3 are a bit confusing.  OOS would be a fun way to deliver the boat back to Victoria if I found something on the west coast.

And, indeed Ragtime, I am the Phil Wampold of the 2015 R2AK's Team Mau.

[Ragtime!]

For those who don't know, Phil and Jo raced to Ketchikan on a beach cat and had some adventures along the way:

Team Mau in the R2AK

Phil, you are certainly worthy to own a J/92 but it seems a bit pedestrian in comparison!