J 92 PHRF Ratings in the US

[Christian Uecker]

Hello all,

I just finished my first season with the J-92 and we absolutely love
it. We placed in every regatta we raced in here on the WLIS, even
with 14yr old sails. Although we didn't get chance to race against
Todd's Thin Man. Hopefully next year.

A competitor who races a j29 and usually wins everything seems to be
worried and has requested the PHRF comittee to review the J-92 rating
on the Sound. The PHRF Committee has a meeting this thursday to hear
boths sides. I would appreciate hearing what the J92 rates in other
areas of the US. On the Western Long Island Sound we have a base
rating of 105 distance and 108 w/l.

Thanks.
Christian Uecker
Hound Dog

[Rod Carr]

Here on Lake Champlain the J/92 is rated 105 for all types of races and that seems like a very fair rating.  The boats do well especially in light air.  

US Sailing came out with a chart showing averages for all kinds of boats and their National average for the J/92 is 105 as shown in the link below.  

PHRF RATING TOOL

Rod Carr

J/92  #45

Hello all,

I just finished my first season with the J-92 and we absolutely love
it.   We placed in every regatta we raced in here on the WLIS, even
with 14yr old sails.  Although we didn't get chance to race against
Todd's Thin Man.   Hopefully next year.

A competitor who races a j29 and usually wins everything seems to be
worried and has requested the PHRF comittee to review the J-92 rating
on the Sound.   The PHRF Committee has a meeting this thursday to hear
boths sides.   I would appreciate hearing what the J92 rates in other
areas of the US.   On the Western Long Island Sound we have a base
rating of 105 distance and 108 w/l.

Thanks.
Christian Uecker
Hound Dog

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[Tracy Rogers]

The Northern California (i.e., San Francisco) PHRF rating for the J92 (with largest headsail of 155%) is 105.  Last year they also began testing a downwind rating for predominately downwind races (I've yet to participate in a race where this rating would apply), and in that case the rating is 78.  We've been racing pretty consistently at 105 for some time now. Good luck. Tracy Relentless #93 --- On Mon, 11/7/11, Christian Uecker <christia...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Joshua S. Reisberg]

Friggin' Esposito.  I assume you're talking about Hustler.  Sounds like he's just bitter.

Christian Uecker
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[RJA Armstrong]

We rate 99 wl, 105 base and 93 on races of more than 60 miles. This is on Tampa Bay, Florida. BASE j92. Westfloridaphrf.org.  Bob Armstrong. Mischoef 007

[John Madey]

111 on Lake Michigan, I consider it a fair number. www.lmphrf.org you will probably need to compare the delta with other types of boats to understand what the differences mean.

Paging Ragtime. Bob went through this a few years ago

John

[Ed & Chris Benevent]

We sail on Lake Erie (www.phrf-le.org) rates the J92 as 99 for spinnaker
races and 104 for jib & main. We tried an appeal-all in vain.

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[Jerry Berndsen]

We are 105 in the south Louisiana area.

Jerry

On Nov 7, 2011, at 10:00 AM, Christian Uecker
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[Todd Aven]

What sail configuration(s) are all these ratings reflecting?

Western Long Island Sound (YRALIS) base is with a 155% genoa, 93sqm spinnaker and non-furling.

[Rod Carr]

The J/92's rating of 105 under Lake Champlain PHRF assumes a 155% genoa with roller furling.

[Todd Aven]

What size spinnaker?

[Jerry Berndsen]

Todd,

 

I am using a roller 155% genoa and a spinnaker that is almost 101sqm for my 105 rating. In my case I do not think using or not using the roller furling will change the rating.

 

Jerry

[Gene Cloutier]

I sail in Lake Champlain against Rod Carr and he has already shared our rating of 105 with 155% genoa, 91 sq mtr chute and roller furling.  However, as someone has already pointed out in this thread it depends on what the relationship is to other boats that you are comparing to.  Other boats that we race against are J29 at 117, J29 MHOB at 111, Pearson 37 at 105, C&C99 at 105, Etchells at 126, J80 ODR at 120.

Gene Cloutier
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[Tracy Rogers]

Hi all, With the recent discussion regarding upgrades to our J92's I thought I'd mention one more that Bob Johnston turned me on to when I was checking out his boat.  Winch mounting plates for the Harken 32.2st and 40.2st winches.  These plates install directly to the boat with the existing through the deck bolts and then the winches are mounted on the plates.  No more breaking the deck seal when you want to service the winches - very nice!  They are available at Annapolis Performance Sailing for $60 and $65 each respectively, or you can order them directly from Harken for $45 and $47.50 respectively (which is what I did). Also makes removing and installing the primaries a one person job.  My guess is that they'd work for the non self-tailing version as well, but you can confirm that with Harken. http://www.apsltd.com/c-382-harken-winch-tools-and-maintenance-kits.aspx Cheers, Tracy  Relentless #93

[Todd Aven]

I wholeheartedly agree. After Hurricane Irene, one of my winches was so salty that the pawls were sticking. I was able to remove the winch, clean out the worst of the salt, replace a broken pawl spring and reassemble in 5 minutes (before a race). Without the mounting rings, I would not have been able to repair it quickly enough and we would not have been able to race. 

Another fabulous upgrade is a cam cleat bracket for the mast at the spinnaker halyard exit that positions the cleat so that the person jumping the halyard is leaving it in the cleat at every pull and there is no need for someone in the pit to tail the halyard. Without this, shorthanded spinnaker sets would be such a pain. It's also available through APS. I believe it's a Harken part. 

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[Ragtime!]

I'm back from a lengthy visit to the other end of Kalifornia, to help
aging parents.

Those Harken plates to mount cam cleats on the mast are drilled for
the standard 150 cams. Fine for J/24's and even J/80's but I've blown
them up on the J/92. Instead I use the largest Ronstan V-Cleat for
temporarily catching halyards (these are 990# load). One is mounted
on each side of the mast and since they're a carbon/glass fiber
composite they won't start corroding against the aluminum mast (just
put a barrier coat on the screws). I don't catch the spinny halyard
in one until it's topped out though - if you have to catch it along
the way you aren't hoisting fast enough short-handed and are asking
for a wrap. Get the sucker up and run back to the sheet, Elmer.

Regarding ratings, Tracy gave you our SF Bay situation. I can't say
much that's helpful if you're rated slower than 105. The 108 for W/
L's is fair though - I wish we had that here. The local Downwind
rating thing sucks. They're not comparable to PHRF ratings because
it's a whole different database that's derived from ORR. After doing
a long downwind ocean race under these downwind ratings with a crack
crew and professional offshore naviguesser, I'm considering appealing
the 78-81 numbers. Our analysis showed it should be about 93. Again,
this is not comparable with a PHRF number - apples and oranges.

Tracy's #93 looks like a new boat - I got to see it for the first time
last month. I was "convicted" so just had mine professionally
detailed, bright work done above and belowdecks, Awlgrip resealed,
yadda, yadda. Now what to do for Midwinters . . .

Brag (ignore if desired) - after eight years I grabbed the
Singlehanded Season Championship. 80 boats on the list and a lot of
them didn't do all the races, but it's still pretty sweet.

J/92's rock.

[Max]

Todd,

I'm thinking of upgrades.....at what height did you set your cam cleat for the mast at the spinnaker halyard.

I guess that it should be low enough to uncleat when pulling the halyard from cockpit. 

Also, is the harken 150 strong enough. I seem to recall someone commented it is not.

ciao

max

[Todd Aven]

I put the cleat about 6-8" (guesstimate) below the halyard exit. 

The closer you get to the exit, the worse the lead to the exit and the more likely it will be to pull out from shock loads. 

Conversely, the lower you go the less room and less leverage for your mast person to "banjo" the halyard on the hoist. Also, lower makes it harder to pull out of the cleat from the pit. 

The 150 might not be rated for the load, but it has held in high winds (30-35kts) and severe broaches. I try to keep the halyard on the clutch, but Pit doesn't always get the halyard on the clutch right away, ya know?

Cheers,

Todd

[Max]

I know, I know...   :-)

many thanks,

ciao

max