Inside Vs Outside jibe w/the A2

[dnewl...@msn.com]

Been playing with both as the A2 has that plastic lazy sheet holder low on the luff.  Any thoughts on this?  Trying to figure out what's more consistent.  I know crew work (getting lazy sheet run) and helm (pointing close to DDW for a second to float the sail forward) are good tips...or at least I'm trying to work on those items. 

Inside I'd get a headstary wrap every now and then.  Not much of a hassle to clear it.  Outside: seems like the biggest issue was getting the new lazy sheet to run freely, which is an easy correction.   Last run was double-handing in 12-14 and my partner thought the last outside jibe we did was good, but it took 6-8 to get us there. 

What do you like to do?  

[bushra...@gmail.com]

Obviously to keep the lazy sheer from falling under the bow. Default kit on any HP boat.

Generally  inside are preferable in lighter air. How light, or windy is a function of the boat and its speeds.

Inside, in light (er air) is preferred because you will come out at a hotter angle, preferred.

 

Outside is preferred in “more breeze” because the boat will be much more DDW and so much less likely to spin out if there is a goof.

Yes there is a lot of new sheet to haul on and a lot of old sheet to make sure it is free to run.

Pre-gybe prep, good, long for longer flakes, tail bags, flaking the sheet, no butt cleats and so on.

Summed in two words

 

Equipment.

Practice.

 

6,8 gybes to get a good one?

Start talking about good gybes at 100.

I can assure you that 2, 3 hours of actual sailing time practice couple of times a week with the key people, with a game plan goal, will improve everything faster and cheaper than all the shiny kit from the boat shop or super duper sails.

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[Todd Aven]

On the 92, I never bothered with outside gybes, even double-handed in 25 knots of breeze.  Do a 'french gybe' (fill the kite on the new side while ddw, then bring the main across). Works a treat.

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[dnewl...@msn.com]

Bush-I guess "good" is relative.  At 100 I better be throwing thing of beauty!  Good stuff, thanks.  

Thin Man-I'll give that one a go.  Never knew it had a name! 

[bushra...@gmail.com]

Todd,

But how do you gybe the kite?

Iven the technique you describe, the kite needs to get to the oppo side of the boat…?

Coop

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[Philipp]





We only do the outside gybe if the sheets were rigged the wrong way. :-D

Only start the gybe if the kite is properly filled. If the luff is curled come up again and start new. 

Ease the kite sheet slowly while bearing away to DDW. 

When the clew is at the forestay take the old kite sheet off the winch completely. We stuff the ends of the kite sheets down the companionway, that way nobody can stand on them and they can run freely.

Don‘t bring the main over until the kite is filled on the new side. Steering downwind is key. 

There are good videos on youtube with J/105 with tutorials on manoeuvres.

Am 28.10.2021 um 20:31 schrieb Todd Aven <to...@avenshaven.net>:

 On the 92, I never bothered with outside gybes, even double-handed in 25 knots of breeze.  Do a 'french gybe' (fill the kite on the new side while ddw, then bring the main across). Works a treat.

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[Todd Aven]

For double-handed…

I drive from the leeward side. My partner stands in the cockpit forward of the traveler and takes the new sheet. 

I hold the old sheet, either from the house winch if it’s over 20kts or directly from the clew (i.e., arm over the lifeline holding the line forward of block at the stern quarter) if it’s under 20. 

I ease the old while turning down to ddw. My partner is taking up slack in the new sheet (NOT PULLING THE CLEW!!!) until the clew has floated forward of the headstay. At that point, I dump all the old sheet and partner hauls in hard and fast on the new sheet. The boat is still sailing ddw. 

The kite inverts and pops full. Partner stabilizes the kite. I turn beyond ddw and throw the boom across (after yelling HEADS!) by grabbing all parts of the sheet together. 

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[Mark Camilleri]

We always do inside jibes. Sheet in when clew has passed the forestay

Mark

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[Esteve Viñolas]

me too,  always do inside jibes only execption when I´m sailing solo and above 12knots