Cockpit winch placement
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John Madey
Nov 26, 2016, 6:56:19 PM11/26/16
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Gang,
Has any one moved their cockpit winches from the stock location? I am thinking about moving back 2-3 inches. Give a little more room between the cabin house and the winch and a better angle for sheeting the 155% genoa. Anyone have any thoughts on this one?
John
Has any one moved their cockpit winches from the stock location? I am thinking about moving back 2-3 inches. Give a little more room between the cabin house and the winch and a better angle for sheeting the 155% genoa. Anyone have any thoughts on this one?
John
Ragtime!
Nov 29, 2016, 5:33:20 PM11/29/16
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Hi John,
Moving winches is a big project. Instead, I installed foot blocks like J/105's have. These fixed the wonky lead angle for the #1, they allow me to cross-sheet, keep me from losing the tail of the jib sheets forward and though not a concern for most, they keep the sheets from interfering with the side curtains for the dodger on those gnarly ocean passages. The foot blocks have G-10 backing plates. Here's a photo:
Joe Cooper
Nov 29, 2016, 10:16:46 PM11/29/16
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Bob,
didya back fill the balsa?
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Ragtime!
Nov 30, 2016, 12:15:35 AM11/30/16
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No balsa that close to the gun'l - it's a solid double layer to bolt through, due to the hull-deck flange.
John Madey
Nov 30, 2016, 8:35:29 AM11/30/16
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This is the year I am freshening up the deck on Cyclone. I have the deck apart anyway so but while I'm in there what do I want to move around.
Kind of hard to tell from the angle of the photo but it almost looks like your winches are further forward than on my boat. As a rough gauge, can you sit between the winch and the cabin house? I am a fairly big guy and I can just plug into that space.
I remember a discussion we had here about 145 vs 155 and the sheeting angle. We have never had that problem with a 155 on Cyclone. I wonder if some of the boats have the winches further back?
John
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andyoeft .
Nov 30, 2016, 8:45:02 AM11/30/16
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I've long given up using a 155. Unless we're talking about a distance race drifter, I don't see any advantage once you've given up the ability to point vs a 145.
Ragtime!
Nov 30, 2016, 10:19:43 AM11/30/16
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With all the shutterbugs around here and the number of years I've raced the boat, I seem to have a photo for everything. This is an old one, taken before the refit in 2009-10. I've moved some things around, the deck is now Greystone, etc.
Note the white "skirt lifter" in this photo. Everybody should have these. They are easy to make and do a perfect job of skirting the foot of the genoa on tacks = no need to send your 200# bowman to the low side at the very moment you are trying to power out of a tack. (And in my case, I AM the bowman.)
The biggest problem with moving the winches even slightly aft is the mainsheet catching on them when gybing. I gybe "all standing" since I'm busy gybing the kite but I think most of us do anyway. I found that with the self-tailers, if the feeder knob thingy on the top of the winch wasn't in exactly the right place, the mainsheet would catch on it, almost guaranteeing a broach on the new board in windy conditions. If you have a dedicated main trimmer (whatever that is) you shouldn't have a problem if they help the sheet across on gybes. However the next owner of your boat may curse you for moving the winches.
Bob J.
Todd Aven
Nov 30, 2016, 11:30:46 AM11/30/16
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The main factor with the sheet lead for the 155 is the clew height. If it's not designed for the mast rake, you won't be able to move the lead far enough aft.
Ragtime!
Nov 30, 2016, 12:16:15 PM11/30/16
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Yeah, that genoa in the second photo is a 155 off a J/29 frac that I bought for $450. It didn't quite fit the boat but was good for races like that Farallones race (58 nm) where it might get beat up. My "good" genoa is a 145 which is plenty. But I still ordered it with a higher clew for easier trimming, and for using with a reaching lead on long point-to-points. If a 155 had a clew that high I'd need longer tracks.
Grizzly
Dec 1, 2016, 12:23:07 AM12/1/16
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Bob,
Curious about your autopilot set-up in the photo. Can you describe it?
Ragtime!
Dec 1, 2016, 10:13:10 AM12/1/16
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At that time I had a Raymarine S1G. I replaced it with a Raymarine X5 but they are very similar. Both have belowdecks heading sensors and computers, with the control head and drive unit mounted in the cockpit. The only two differences from a stock installation are the Sunbrella sock over the drive unit (to keep it dry) and the rudder reference arm mounted externally on the top of the tiller (on the axis of the rudder post). The reference unit was wired backwards and had a rod attached to the side of the cockpit, so when I turned the tiller it provided the designed feedback to the computer. This setup worked very well. The Raymarine X5 did not require the rudder reference but also didn't steer as well.
I hadn't installed it yet that day (it was mild going out), but normally I had a lower drop-board in the companionway. On that board was the controller for my backup Raymarine 4000+, which was attached to the same cockpit drive. I could switch between the two pilots "on the fly." Third string was a Raymarine 2000+ self-contained unit which bailed me out a couple times.
My current set-up is a Raymarine EV-200 and I'm installing a Pelagic AP as my primary pilot (this weekend in fact). The Pelagic is a working man's real autopilot, designed by a guy in our club and now being sold worldwide: http://pelagicautopilot.com
Discussing autopilots in our club is like discussing anchors in a cruising group - chairs get thrown and stuff. So I'll spare you more details unless you have specific questions.
Bob J.
Joe Cooper
Dec 1, 2016, 11:44:09 AM12/1/16
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whoa, who are the pelagic guys?
had a quick rummage around their site and looks really impressive.
BTW, planning on a SFO trip in Feb for Commodore Tompkins 85th b’day.
Ought to get alongside for a beer…?
Ragtime!
Dec 1, 2016, 12:59:07 PM12/1/16
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It's a Pelagic guy, Brian Boschma, and that's the limiting factor. He can barely keep up with the orders but doesn't want to expand.
On Thursday, December 1, 2016 at 8:44:09 AM UTC-8,
I first met you at a dinner for Commodore, at a Chinese restaurant in Pt. Richmond. Feb will be the crunchy part of tax season for me so give me some advanced warning. I'll beg for the key (to the ball and chain). If you time it right we might even get in a Midwinter race = second Sunday of the month. I could suck it up and doublehand for once.
Bob J.
On Thursday, December 1, 2016 at 8:44:09 AM UTC-8,
Joe Cooper
Dec 1, 2016, 1:00:24 PM12/1/16
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