J 92 vs J 80
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mark
Oct 14, 2009, 6:32:28 PM10/14/09
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I have been sailing a J 80 for the last 11 years. I love this boat as
it is very easy to sail and is very fast in the light winds that
seems to be the norm on our lake. Over the last couple of years I
have come to realize that my good friends who make up my crew are
getting older and seem to struggle a little more with the boat
handling when the breeze builds. I am considering selling the 80 and
purchasing a 92 or 92s because I feel that a larger boat would be a
little less athletic and be an easier boat to handle in the future. I
think I would also prefer a diesel over an outboard and having a head
sure would make the boat more female friendly. Has anyone on this
forum sailed on both boats? If so, what are your thoughts. Thanks
it is very easy to sail and is very fast in the light winds that
seems to be the norm on our lake. Over the last couple of years I
have come to realize that my good friends who make up my crew are
getting older and seem to struggle a little more with the boat
handling when the breeze builds. I am considering selling the 80 and
purchasing a 92 or 92s because I feel that a larger boat would be a
little less athletic and be an easier boat to handle in the future. I
think I would also prefer a diesel over an outboard and having a head
sure would make the boat more female friendly. Has anyone on this
forum sailed on both boats? If so, what are your thoughts. Thanks
Imagine... J/92 #45
Oct 14, 2009, 9:31:46 PM10/14/09
to J/92 Owners
I owned a J/80 from 1996-2001. Great boat but the J/92 that we bought
in 2002 has been even more enjoyable. It's great in light air which
we get plenty of here on Lake Champlain but it has a much more stable
feel to it when it blows than the J/80 which is good because I'm 61
now and much of our crew is not far behind. No regrets after making
the switch. I did go racing on a friend's 92s once this summer. That
was nice having the slightly bigger cockpit and smaller jib. Having
the shrouds further outboard makes the deck roomier too which was nice
for folding the jib afterwards. My only concern about the boat is in
the light and lumpy conditions we often get here and the lack of power
the smaller jib provides. That being said, if I could wave a wand
and transform our J/92 into a J/92s, I probably would.
Rod Carr
"Imagine..." #45
in 2002 has been even more enjoyable. It's great in light air which
we get plenty of here on Lake Champlain but it has a much more stable
feel to it when it blows than the J/80 which is good because I'm 61
now and much of our crew is not far behind. No regrets after making
the switch. I did go racing on a friend's 92s once this summer. That
was nice having the slightly bigger cockpit and smaller jib. Having
the shrouds further outboard makes the deck roomier too which was nice
for folding the jib afterwards. My only concern about the boat is in
the light and lumpy conditions we often get here and the lack of power
the smaller jib provides. That being said, if I could wave a wand
and transform our J/92 into a J/92s, I probably would.
Rod Carr
"Imagine..." #45
Mark Girone
Oct 14, 2009, 9:49:07 PM10/14/09
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Rod,
Thank you very much for your input. That is what I was hoping to hear. Do people set/douse the spinnaker in the companionway in the 92 like they do in the 80 or do they use for forward hatch? We use a Gin Pole to step our mast on our 80 have you heard of this being done on the 92?
Thanks again,
Mark
> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:31:46 -0700
> Subject: [j92owners] Re: J 92 vs J 80
> From: rodc...@aol.com
> To: j92o...@googlegroups.com
Thank you very much for your input. That is what I was hoping to hear. Do people set/douse the spinnaker in the companionway in the 92 like they do in the 80 or do they use for forward hatch? We use a Gin Pole to step our mast on our 80 have you heard of this being done on the 92?
Thanks again,
Mark
> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:31:46 -0700
> Subject: [j92owners] Re: J 92 vs J 80
> From: rodc...@aol.com
> To: j92o...@googlegroups.com
Imagine... J/92 #45
Oct 14, 2009, 10:52:02 PM10/14/09
to J/92 Owners
We hoist and douse thru the forward hatch. Using a gin pole to step
and unstep the mast on the J/92 sounds a bit too exciting for my
taste. It's a much bigger rig. I'm not saying it can't be done. I
just like the idea of giving the liability to the local boat yard.
Even they screwed up once and had to buy us a new mast.
Rod
On Oct 14, 9:49 pm, Mark Girone <mar...@msn.com> wrote:
> Rod,
>
> Thank you very much for your input. That is what I was hoping to hear. Do people set/douse the spinnaker in the companionway in the 92 like they do in the 80 or do they use for forward hatch? We use a Gin Pole to step our mast on our 80 have you heard of this being done on the 92?
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> > Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:31:46 -0700
> > Subject: [j92owners] Re: J 92 vs J 80
> > From: rodcar...@aol.com
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and unstep the mast on the J/92 sounds a bit too exciting for my
taste. It's a much bigger rig. I'm not saying it can't be done. I
just like the idea of giving the liability to the local boat yard.
Even they screwed up once and had to buy us a new mast.
Rod
On Oct 14, 9:49 pm, Mark Girone <mar...@msn.com> wrote:
> Rod,
>
> Thank you very much for your input. That is what I was hoping to hear. Do people set/douse the spinnaker in the companionway in the 92 like they do in the 80 or do they use for forward hatch? We use a Gin Pole to step our mast on our 80 have you heard of this being done on the 92?
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> > Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:31:46 -0700
> > Subject: [j92owners] Re: J 92 vs J 80
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Privateer #2
Oct 15, 2009, 1:11:13 AM10/15/09
to J/92 Owners
On our 92 We hoist and douse through the forward hatch when fully
crewed, However when we short handed sail we douse into the
companionway. and the old owners exclusively used the companion way.
Both methods work well.
Matt
Privateer #2
crewed, However when we short handed sail we douse into the
companionway. and the old owners exclusively used the companion way.
Both methods work well.
Matt
Privateer #2
mojito
Oct 15, 2009, 2:58:05 AM10/15/09
to J/92 Owners
same here on Mojito, kite goes in and out of the forward hatch.
you"ll need a bit more crew for a 92/92S: we race with 6 on geometrics
in light medium air, and add one more on in more breeze for weight,
and to help muscle the kite down
the week-ending component of a 92 is also attractive as it makes the
boat so much more versatile, and in that regard it has more in common
with a 105
heads and inboards mean holes through hulls so more maintenance etc.
i've only ever raced a few times on an 80, and yes it's a bit more
tender, but 3-4 crew is all you need, and its that bit nippier as it
will plane earlier in the wind range
simon
you"ll need a bit more crew for a 92/92S: we race with 6 on geometrics
in light medium air, and add one more on in more breeze for weight,
and to help muscle the kite down
the week-ending component of a 92 is also attractive as it makes the
boat so much more versatile, and in that regard it has more in common
with a 105
heads and inboards mean holes through hulls so more maintenance etc.
i've only ever raced a few times on an 80, and yes it's a bit more
tender, but 3-4 crew is all you need, and its that bit nippier as it
will plane earlier in the wind range
simon
furkolkjaaf
Oct 15, 2009, 6:04:27 AM10/15/09
to J/92 Owners
owned a J/80 2002-2007 and I have to say previous comments are spot on
I'm aging as well :-( so I'm now enjoying the 92S more and more
As for the 92S in the light : despite some crappy sails, we are doing
OK even in these conditions as long as it's not lumpy
of course - it always depend on who your competition is...
bottom line : you cant go wrong with the 92 / 92S
max
I'm aging as well :-( so I'm now enjoying the 92S more and more
As for the 92S in the light : despite some crappy sails, we are doing
OK even in these conditions as long as it's not lumpy
of course - it always depend on who your competition is...
bottom line : you cant go wrong with the 92 / 92S
max
Trenter Ellis
Oct 15, 2009, 6:45:36 AM10/15/09
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I have sailed a bit on a J/80 and I would echo most of the comments here. The techniques of sailing both boats are similar but you can take more liberties with the J/80 (such as launching kites from the companionway) because it is a smaller and lighter boat.
For practical reasons I prefer the J/92 because having an inboard diesel makes life much easier, and we often sleep and cook on our boat so if you get a J/92 with a nice interior and keep it clean and tidy it offers scope as a high performance cruising boat (as long as you are only as tall as a Hobbit ;-) ). We had a boat with an outboard before the 92 (a Hunter Sonata OOD) and I got really hacked off with having to get the outboard off the back of the boat and put it back again after finishing races plus all the messing about with petrol cans and stuff every weekend. Now we just fill up the boat with diesel once or twice a season.
If you are sailing in mainly light winds on a lake then look for a "classic" J/92 and equip it with a big overlapping No1 genoa. The 92 with a #1 really punches above it's weight in light airs in IRC.
Ciao,
Trenter
> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:04:27 -0700
For practical reasons I prefer the J/92 because having an inboard diesel makes life much easier, and we often sleep and cook on our boat so if you get a J/92 with a nice interior and keep it clean and tidy it offers scope as a high performance cruising boat (as long as you are only as tall as a Hobbit ;-) ). We had a boat with an outboard before the 92 (a Hunter Sonata OOD) and I got really hacked off with having to get the outboard off the back of the boat and put it back again after finishing races plus all the messing about with petrol cans and stuff every weekend. Now we just fill up the boat with diesel once or twice a season.
If you are sailing in mainly light winds on a lake then look for a "classic" J/92 and equip it with a big overlapping No1 genoa. The 92 with a #1 really punches above it's weight in light airs in IRC.
Ciao,
Trenter
> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 03:04:27 -0700
> Subject: [j92owners] Re: J 92 vs J 80
Dick Heijdra
Oct 15, 2009, 8:17:55 AM10/15/09
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I have only sailed a J80 once. I had my mind set on a J92 from the beginning for the reasons you mention: heads, inboard diesel, weekend-accomodation and reasonably sized for sailing shorthanded (crew of 3) and even singlehanded (which I do occasionally with the aid of a tiller pilot). I find the boat to be extremely stable and predictable. And offers a lot to explore and learn. It's also a great weekender for me and my family (wife and daughter). The interior is just as I want it: only muscles and no fat. Quite comfy! As you can read between the lines: I love it!
Dick Heijdra
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