Twinger

[Don Hedges]

I would like to hear from the group about twinger, do you use them and the advantage or disadvantage of there use with the spinnakers. I think that the J92 originally had twinger but the one I bought (Turn Key) did not have them and I am thinking about putting them back on.

 

Don Hedges

Turn Key

[Dick Heijdra]

what is twinger?

Dick Heijdra

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[Andrew Oeftering]

Unless someone thinks otherwise, twingers with an asymmetrical spinnaker provide no advantage and actually slow down your gybes.  

 

Andy Oeftering
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[Andrew Oeftering]

A small block attached to a control line on either side of the boat that extend outward and forward of amidships through which you run your spinnaker sheet.  Using the control line you can raise or lower the twing block to trim the spinnaker.  I’ve only used them with symmetrical spinnakers to control the clew position

 

Andy Oeftering
Computer Troubleshooters

Red Bank - Eatontown - Tinton Falls, NJ
732-212-1001

[Pete Tyler]

Just something else to jam on a  gybe

If you have a decent cut sail and a good trimmer they you don’t need them

Just thinking – maybe we should fit them!!!




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From: Andrew Oeftering <aoeft...@comptroub.com>
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Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 10:52:34 -0400
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Subject: RE: [j92owners] Twinger

A small block attached to a control line on either side of the boat that extend outward and forward of amidships through which you run your spinnaker sheet.  Using the control line you can raise or lower the twing block to trim the spinnaker.  I’ve only used them with symmetrical spinnakers to control the clew position
 

Andy Oeftering
Computer Troubleshooters
Red Bank - Eatontown - Tinton Falls, NJ
732-212-1001

From: j92o...@googlegroups.com [mailto:j92o...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dick Heijdra
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Subject: Re: [j92owners] Twinger

what is twinger?



Dick Heijdra





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Op 25-okt-2010, om 16:28 heeft Don Hedges het volgende geschreven:


I would like to hear from the group about twinger, do you use them and the advantage or disadvantage of there use with the spinnakers. I think that the J92 originally had twinger but the one I bought (Turn Key) did not have them and I am thinking about putting them back on.



Don Hedges

Turn Key


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[Todd Aven]

I've got twing leads and lines on Thin Man. In four years of sailing in conditions from 0 to 35 knots with a variety of spinnakers, I've never found them to be of any use whatsoever. 

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[Colin Mann]

Only time I wish we had them rigged is when we have rounded up in 25+ knots and the darn spin sheet gets caught over the top of the boom.  I hate that and a twing would probably prevent that.  Other than that .... I agree.

I considered the question a few years ago and found very similar sentiments in the one-design J105 forums.

 

Cheers,

 

Colin Mann

Poohsticks

[Massimo Polo]

I agree - it's useless harness

[Ragtime!]

Good spot to hang fenders, or as they're called in New England:
"bumpas" or down South: "Marina Del Rey Racing Stripes."


I do use twings to control the leech on the Code Zero. For the
spinnakers your boom is the twing.

[John Madey]

We have them, we rig them all the time but never seem to use them during  a race.   They do work well as "training wheels" when we are teaching someone new how to trim spinnaker.  Start them out twinged down tight, then loosen them as they start to get the hang of it.

John

[Ragtime!]

Related question: How do you lead your spinny sheets?

On Ragtime! each sheet goes through a big (75 mm) Ratchamatic and then
direct to the primaries. (Butt cleats aren't as big a problem for
singlehanders.) I tried turning blocks at the stanchions (which was
stock) and then to the cabintop winches but that added just enough
friction to mess up my gybes.

[Massimo Polo]

we use turning blocks but have been thinking of a different setup

where are your Ratchamatic located at ? (all the way aft or midcockpit)

[Don Hedges]

Thanks for the info on the twingers, I thought it probably was a bad idea.
We have Twingers on a Moore 24 for the symmetrical spinnaker instead of a
downhaul and the Ullman site talks about twingers on the J 92.

The spinnaker sheets lead to a block near the stern and then to a ratchet
block attached to the stanchion which is a little aft of the cabin. I then
use the self-cleating
wenches on the cabin to control the spinnaker.

Thanks again for the input.

Don

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[Ragtime!]

The Ratchamatics are snap-shackled to the stock u-bolts just forward
of the stern pulpits.

[Todd Aven]

The Ullman tuning guide is very old, from the early days of asymmetric spinnaker design. I guess twings were more important in those days.

[Andrew Oeftering]

I'll need to try Ragtime's idea of Rachtamatics alone. I used them for a
season and they always bound up during gybes when used in conjunction with
the single turn block off the stanchion nearest the cabintops.

Andy Oeftering
Computer Troubleshooters

Red Bank - Eatontown - Tinton Falls, NJ
732-212-1001

[Colin Mann]

I second the vote for Ratchamatics .... we actually use them on the stock
ring at the stern, but then lead to the opposite cabin top. Makes for a
little 'cats cradle' during the gybe but once you're used to it, works well.
We use the smaller one for everything except high winds (>22 or so), when we
switch to a larger block.

Colin

[Andrew Oeftering]

Is the reason that you lead to the opposite cabin top is to ensure crew
weight is mostly to windward? For a trimmer standing to windward amidships,
I would think the leeward cabin top winch would provide a better angle, but
then your trimmer would be to leeward.

[Todd Aven]

Keep in mind that ratchamatics engage based on load. The aft block turns the line 180*, so it sees much more load than the stanchion block which only turns the line 90*.

I have manual ratchets and NEVER enable them. Gybes go just fine that way. ;-)

[Ragtime!]

I dunno - I just did a 20 mile race singlehanded where most of it was
pole-on-the-headstay reaching (yeah, I know) and with the 180 degree
grip of the Ratchamatic plus one turn on the leeward primary it was
perfect - not too much friction from the winch when I needed to ease
but enough grip to hold the sheet for 3 hours. It is important that
you set the Ratchamatic's release pressure correctly.

I guess if you have Magilla Gorilla for a trimmer you can go without
ratchets, but for what I do they're necessary.

By the way, I won my (16-boat) division for the weekend. Second place
for the singlehanded leg (20 miles) and first place for the
doublehanded leg (18.5 miles). It was my first race in a year - I'm
still stoked!

[Colin Mann]

Yup. That and being better able to see what the kite is doing.

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Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 4:54 PM
Subject: RE: [j92owners] Re: Twinger

[John Madey]

I have the carbos on the u bolt and standard ratchets on the stantions which the trimmers almost never call for. My trimmers prefer an extra wrap on the winch, they claim better feel.

I'll have to try directly from the cabo to the opposite winch in heavy air

J

[Pete Tyler]

I think all UK boats use ratchet blocks, we use Harken manual ones. But add
these to a new turning point just behind the second stanceaon

This gives a clear feed to the coach winch on the windward side

When running deep downing wind we find getting crew weight forward and to
windward helps heel the boat and gravity helps bring the spinny to windward
clear of the main

And when reaching all crew weight needs to be to windward too

We now use 6mm dyneema sheets, in all weathers , this lets the lazy sheet
run very free on the gybe

Best regards
Pete T

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[Massimo Polo]

Congrats on your great results !
max

>
> By the way, I won my (16-boat) division for the weekend. Second place
> for the singlehanded leg (20 miles) and first place for the
> doublehanded leg (18.5 miles). It was my first race in a year - I'm
> still stoked!
>
>
> On Oct 25, 1:03 pm, Todd Aven <t...@avenshaven.net> wrote:
>> Keep in mind that ratchamatics engage based on load. The aft block turns the line 180*, so it sees much more load than the stanchion block which only turns the line 90*.
>>
>> I have manual ratchets and NEVER enable them. Gybes go just fine that way. ;-)
>

[Pete Tyler]

We have fitted Spinlock jammer blocks at the rear, which gives the option to jam them if you want to refeed the sheet or winch

They go to turning blocks by the primaries, then cross sheet to the coach roof winches, which on a J92S are self tailing so can be cleated here too if required


Best Regards

Pete

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