remove main traveller track

[Phil]

Hi guys.

I need to reseal the main sheet traveller track as it is leaking. The third bolt on both sides is covered by a layer off glas. Done by factory It seems. 

Has anybody experience with theirs on a J/92s? Did you just drill a hole to get to the nut or did you cut away the glas completely?

cheers.

Phil

[Dan Stone]

Hi Phil,

Looks like the tabbing for the engine compartment went right over it....

You may be able to use a drill bit, or use a chisel on the end or be very careful with a dremel, to expose just enough of the nut to get it undone.  Hopefully water did not penetrate there because it would have nowhere to go unless it can seep into the balsa core in that area.

I own a J/92 that I bought last January and I redid my traveler area this spring after seeing serious water damage there.  I borrowed the idea of putting the traveler on 1/4" blocks from Thin Man.

Because my Harken traveler was designed to span gaps, I also added a bolt on each end and backed it all up with 1/8" G10 fiberglass board.  Sailing the boat for the first time this summer, the traveler certainly spends a lot of time on each end going upwind. :-).

Good luck!

Dan Stone

J/92 Triple Play

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[Phil]

Hi Dan.

Thanks for your reply.

I will try to drill a small hole to get to the nut with a socket. I do hope it's not too wet there. 

We bought our boat 2 years ago. This winter we decided to reseal all the deck hardware. The boat is 13 years old and the Sikaflex (or whatever they used to seal) is really done by now.

After taking the jib tracks off we discovered the balsa core is a bit wet there. Any idea how best to takle that problem?

We would also like to reseal the roof around the companionway hatch. Is there anything I should know before taking the roof off? Is it really just a matter of undoing these screws (see photo)?

Any advice is much appreciated before taking the boat apart. :-)

Cheers. Philipp

J/92s hull#68 (built 2007 in France)

[EC Helme]

Regarding the companionway hatch cover it is really that easy.  Remove those screws and the entire piece lifts off as a single unit.  The sliding part of the hatch then lifts up.  I actually find it useful to do about once a year as dirt accumulates under there and adversely impacts the normal drainage.  Regards, EC

J/92S #56

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On Nov 26, 2020, at 5:15 PM, Phil <phgl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Dan.

Thanks for your reply.

I will try to drill a small hole to get to the nut with a socket. I do hope it's not too wet there. 

We bought our boat 2 years ago. This winter we decided to reseal all the deck hardware. The boat is 13 years old and the Sikaflex (or whatever they used to seal) is really done by now.

After taking the jib tracks off we discovered the balsa core is a bit wet there. Any idea how best to takle that problem?

We would also like to reseal the roof around the companionway hatch. Is there anything I should know before taking the roof off? Is it really just a matter of undoing these screws (see photo)?

Any advice is much appreciated before taking the boat apart. :-)

Cheers. Philipp

J/92s hull#68 (built 2007 in France)

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dest...@gmail.com schrieb am Mittwoch, 25. November 2020 um 21:55:45 UTC+1:

Hi Phil,

Looks like the tabbing for the engine compartment went right over it....

You may be able to use a drill bit, or use a chisel on the end or be very careful with a dremel, to expose just enough of the nut to get it undone.  Hopefully water did not penetrate there because it would have nowhere to go unless it can seep into the balsa core in that area.

I own a J/92 that I bought last January and I redid my traveler area this spring after seeing serious water damage there.  I borrowed the idea of putting the traveler on 1/4" blocks from Thin Man.

Because my Harken traveler was designed to span gaps, I also added a bolt on each end and backed it all up with 1/8" G10 fiberglass board.  Sailing the boat for the first time this summer, the traveler certainly spends a lot of time on each end going upwind. :-).

Good luck!

Dan Stone

J/92 Triple Play

On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 5:54 AM Phil <phgl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi guys.

I need to reseal the main sheet traveller track as it is leaking. The third bolt on both sides is covered by a layer off glas. Done by factory It seems. 

Has anybody experience with theirs on a J/92s? Did you just drill a hole to get to the nut or did you cut away the glas completely?

cheers.

Phil

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[Dan Stone]

Hi Phillip,

Regarding your jib tracks, it depends on how wet and it depends on how far the wetness has soaked into the area around it I hate to say.   If you get a boat yard involved they may check it with a moisture meter and some meter's are more sensitive than others.  I've owned 2 different ones.  If you decide to drill holes near the track to see how wet, try and catch the balsa core, you may be able to feel the wetness in your hand or roll it on a surface, like a brown paper bag, to see if it stains it.

I've followed what this West System Manual (https://www.westsystem.com/wp-content/uploads/Fiberglass-Manual-2015.pdf) says (especially pages 28-29 and 47 for thru-bolt fasteners) for over 20 years, first on my J/35 and then on my J/80 when I moved the genoa track inboard.  

I will be removing every fitting on this boat within the next 2 years as resealing all the deck hardware is a great idea.  For the hole filling discussed on page 47 and removing a bit of balsa core in the hole, then filling it, I'm going back to using epoxy, I was using vinylester to fill the holes.  (I will stay with vinylester resin for any fiberglassing work.)

Some tips, 

If you think you are putting too much epoxy in the hole, embarrassing to admit... stop and make sure you taped it from below :-)...

Use sawed off hex wrenches, they are built for twisting and have different lengths, start small or you will chew the hole bigger.  If you try nails, use big ones and cut the head off (even finish nails) so it tightens nicely in the drill.

Good EC was able to help you with the hatch.

Thanks,
Dan Stone

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[Becky Walford]

Hi 

So your boat has the same issue as mine. It would seem when one item starts leaking then all the others follow….. it seems that sealant no longer does the job when it gets to a certain age.

Its not surprising really.

Alas if you only re seal one bolt you will regret not doing the rest!

Suggest cutting/removing/grinding the fibreglass from the bolts. Please wear correct PPE and remove what you don’t want to get dusty, its nasty stuff. If you have a Dremel when use this, if not then ask for one for Christmas!

Then remove, bolts and tracks. Then check the holes for cracks and repair if needs be, epoxy can be used to to this. But make sure it is all dry and cleaned before you put it all back together!

Once ready, put some time aside, get the right size  screw driver, spanners, sealant, acetone and re bolt the traveller. 

Don’t worry if you have lots of sealant left over,…... the good news is once this has been done once it will be easier to do all the other deck fittings which no doubt will need your attention!…..

Sorry if I telling you what you already know! I have done most of my deck fittings and coach roof fittings in the last year……. 

Hope that this helps.

Becky

On 25 Nov 2020, at 10:54, Phil <phgl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi guys.

I need to reseal the main sheet traveller track as it is leaking. The third bolt on both sides is covered by a layer off glas. Done by factory It seems. 

Has anybody experience with theirs on a J/92s? Did you just drill a hole to get to the nut or did you cut away the glas completely?

cheers.

Phil

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[bushra...@gmail.com]

The extra credit is of course to  drill the holes oversize, say 9/16 for ¼” bolt, , rout out the (likely wet) balsa and back fill with epoxy and filler, then bore the correct sized hole thru the epoxy.

Time consuming I know, but the best way to do the job.

This technique is outlined in any number of the Gougeon bros. books.

Likely only really makes sense if you are going to keep the boat for a while.

C

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[Dan Stone]

Yup. Every single thru-hull through balsa core gets this treatment on my boat. I don't go quite that oversize and I try NOT to drill thru the bottom layer of fiberglass.

Good stuff,

Dan Stone

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[Phil]

thanks for all the tips guys. much appreciated.

today I removed all the screws from the companionway hatch cover and the sealant around the edges. but it's still pretty tightly stuck to deck. seems like lots of sealant underneath where I can't see a way to get to. any ideas?

ph.

[bushra...@gmail.com]

A 1” or 2” wide paint scraper. Get an edge under the plastic and go slow, unless you getting a new bit of plastic.

And be careful, heat. Nick yer missus hair dryer just in front of where you are pushing.

C

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[EC Helme]

hhmmm.  Mine had not a bit of sealant.  When you (eventually) see the layout underneath, you'll see why -- the design shuttles water to those side channels and then down into the cockpit without the need to plug any holes.  Someone previously must've added something in the hopes of making things drier.  There are a couple of small holes on either side up forward near the turning blocks; can you get a finger in there and lift maybe?   Coop will probably have some ideas.  I'd be hesitant to lift either of the aft sides that surround the companionway as of course those are much less strong.  The forward half is one continuous piece and pretty sturdy.  Uugh.  

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thanks for all the tips guys. much appreciated.

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[Philipp Gläser]

Hi EC.

Do you have any photos with the cover taken off? Would be nice to know what I’m working towards.

Cheers.

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[EC Helme]

Hey Philipp, I knew you were going to ask me that very reasonable question.  I'll definitely look through the files but I suspect no.  I'd even be very happy to remove the cover and take some images but for the moment I don't have ready access to her as she is getting a new Gucci bottom at Waterline.  Let me see if they'll let me access her and I'll report back.  Damn shame if someone sealed that on -- really no need.  

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[Mark Camilleri]

A Boat next to me (J92) had to have a large piece of the deck changed due to leaks under the traveler.

They cut off balsa core and all, re glassed, and managed to get a really nice job done 

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[furkolkjaaf]

I know this is quite an old discussion...but - Phil - did you manage removing the roof over the companionway hatch and cleaning the inside channels ? I suspect the water ingress I am experiencing is due to this reason....and I was thinking of doing the same work...if it's worth it (J/92S 2008)