Rocna anchor on a J40?

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Graeme Nichol

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Mar 30, 2025, 10:29:54 AM3/30/25
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Greetings 
My anchor needs replacing and I was wondering if Rocna  would be a fit on a J40 and if it was still regarded as a good holding anchor!

Any experience out there?

Thanks

Graeme
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Bud Cary

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Mar 30, 2025, 11:06:30 AM3/30/25
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I have been thinking of changing also … my research so far says Rocna is the preferred choice for most conditions but would like to hear from others on this … we sail mostly in SW Florida

 

Thks

 

Bud

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Milton Calder

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Mar 30, 2025, 11:15:43 AM3/30/25
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Alicia just bought a ROCNA 20 which we will use on J40 SMITTEN. Did a fair amount of research and discussing w other J boat owners . 
Milt and Alicia Calder 
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Chris Campbell

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I have a J/44 but don't see why the extra size/weight makes a difference in anchor choice. I watched a bunch of S/V Panope (Steve) videos and concluded that pretty much all of the new anchors are great. At the time I was looking the Rocna's had a fatal flaw which was that they weren't as reliable when resetting after a 180 degree direction change (tide change, wind change) as some others. My understanding is there is a new version out that addresses that, though. I ended up with a Vulcan (also made by Rocna, but no rollbar) 25, which has been stellar. I had a Rocna on my previous boat and found it great also. I would have bought a SARCA Excel or a Spade when I was buying also, but they were harder to get in my area.

Summary: I think there are a lot of great anchors out there, avoid ones that make outrageous claims, maybe watch some videos, and buy one you can put in your car and take home if possible!

Graeme Nichol

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Mar 30, 2025, 11:43:58 AM3/30/25
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Thank you! 

Graeme

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Graeme Nichol

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Mar 30, 2025, 11:54:34 AM3/30/25
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I have looked at the Galvanized Fixed Shank Scoop Anchor

55lb? Or less?

From WestMarine $748.00

Graeme
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On Mar 30, 2025, at 11:43, 'Graeme Nichol' via J/4X Owner's Group <j4x-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Thank you! 

Walter Caldwell

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We have a 55lb Mantus type 1 on Shaken Not Stirred. One unexpected issue was the shank hits the roller furler when deploying and retrieving. Still working on an ideal solution for that. 
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On Mar 30, 2025, at 11:54, 'Graeme Nichol' via J/4X Owner's Group <j4x-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I have looked at the Galvanized Fixed Shank Scoop Anchor

Rod Deyo

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Mar 30, 2025, 12:23:50 PM3/30/25
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We've used an original 20 Kg Rocna for the last 12 years while cruising extensively from MX to AK. Works very well and generally sets quickly (but thick weeds and kelp can always be a challege). It replaced an original 20 Kg Bruce that we carry as a spare along with a 25 Kg Mantus. The Rocna is far superior to the Bruce in weeds, hard sand, and rock bottoms. The Bruce may have an initial advantage in very soft mud, but the Rockna will bury itself.

To fit the Rocna, we had to lower the bow roller because of a bail protecting the furler. Also how you set the anchors differ - the Rocna likes about 10-15 ft of slack chain put out before backing on it.

Rod Deyo
J/42 Northern Lights

Todd Stevens

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Mar 30, 2025, 12:35:15 PM3/30/25
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Wasn’t there a thread on this about a year ago? 
FWIW, I’ve been living on anchor full time with a 55 lb Rocna for 2.5 years now, quite often in reversing tidal currents with multiple daily 180° reversals and it has never failed to reset.  The only problem has been when it has gotten choked with vegetation before it could set, once or twice.
Todd
J/42 Wild

rers...@netscape.net

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18 years with a Rocna 55 lb on the bow.  Long shank impact on bottom of roller furling drum is the problem, necessitating hand retrieval/launch with left foot holding down chain and shank as it tips over the bow roller  Definitely a PIA, but she stowed clamped in place and tidy.
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R. Erskine ex-owner Cayenne #65

Todd Stevens

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Hmm.  Mine does not impact the roller.  The only difference I see is I don’t have that top roller, but have a stout pin in the forward corner. (To which the downhaul attaches via snapshackle).

IMG_7877.jpeg
I also have one of those AnchorLift anchor turners, which you can see if you look closely. IDK if that makes a difference.  I launch and retrieve from the remote station at the helm. No worries.

When the old Fortress was up there, (no turner) it did whack the furler.  It rides on the pushpit now.  

Wonderful broad reach in 12 knots out in Canal De San Lorenzo this afternoon, and nobody else has a sail up.  Their loss.  

On Mar 30, 2025, at 12:16, 'rers...@netscape.net' via J/4X Owner's Group <j4x-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

18 years with a Rocna 55 lb on the bow.  Long shank impact on bottom of roller furling drum is the problem, necessitating hand retrieval/launch with left foot holding down chain and shank as it tips over the bow roller  Definitely a PIA, but she stowed clamped in place and tidy.

Graeme Nichol

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Mar 30, 2025, 4:45:10 PM3/30/25
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Have any of you guys looked at the Vulcan version?
The curved shaft worries me a little for fit?

Graeme
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On Mar 30, 2025, at 16:30, 'Todd Stevens' via J/4X Owner's Group <j4x-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Hmm.  Mine does not impact the roller.  The only difference I see is I don’t have that top roller, but have a stout pin in the forward corner. (To which the downhaul attaches via snapshackle).

Chris Campbell

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Here's my Vulcan. The shaft gets thick which stops it at about that point - seems to work fine, though, and I love the anchor - it's held in 40 knots, sets immediately in everthing but weed (so far), and while it does hang onto mud, it hasn't been too bad so far.

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rers...@netscape.net

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Amazing that your Rocna can self launch.  Mine never had enough weight forward of the anchor roller to tip it over the roller by ilself, needing a helpful foot to get the shank under the furling drum.  The top roller tended to help keep the shank from hitting the drum, and clamped the stowed anchor between top and bottom  rollers with some tension on the chain.

Reed  Cayenne J42  #65 and missing her.

Todd Stevens

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On Mar 30, 2025, at 14:07, 'rers...@netscape.net' via J/4X Owner's Group <j4x-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Amazing that your Rocna can self launch.  Mine never had enough weight forward of the anchor roller to tip it over the roller by ilself, needing a helpful foot to get the shank under the furling drum.  The top roller tended to help keep the shank from hitting the drum, and clamped the stowed anchor between top and bottom  rollers with some tension on the chain.

Reed  Cayenne J42  #65 and missing her.

On Sunday, March 30, 2025 at 4:30:18 PM UTC-4 Todd Stevens wrote:
Hmm.  Mine does not impact the roller.  The only difference I see is I don’t have that top roller, but have a stout pin in the forward corner. (To which the downhaul attaches via snapshackle).

IMG_7877.jpeg
I also have one of those AnchorLift anchor turners, which you can see if you look closely. IDK if that makes a difference.  I launch and retrieve from the remote station at the helm. No worries.

When the old Fortress was up there, (no turner) it did whack the furler.  It rides on the pushpit now.  

Wonderful broad reach in 12 knots out in Canal De San Lorenzo this afternoon, and nobody else has a sail up.  Their loss.  

On Mar 30, 2025, at 12:16, 'rers...@netscape.net' via J/4X Owner's Group <j4x-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Looks like mine is rotated about 10-15 degrees forward, somehow, compared to yours.  May be the crucial difference. Is it possible they have made the shank longer in recent years?

 I usually do go forward and make sure it’s free and ready to drop before approaching the anchorage.  If you jam it into the pin upon retreival (Easy to do when you can barely see it from the helm) it may take a few wiggles to free it.  One time (of course when there were guests on board) I jammed it so hard I had to get wrenches and remove the pin to free the anchor.   

S/V Sweet Ruca

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Mar 30, 2025, 7:57:20 PM3/30/25
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5+ Years of almost full time anchoring in many different conditions with a Rocna 33kg on the J46. No complaints. Worth it's weight.

jeff thayer

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Mar 31, 2025, 11:13:56 AM3/31/25
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would encourage you to check out John Harries web site (subscription required, but cheap) "morganscloud.com".  He has a great discussion on the pros/cons of different anchor types.   https://www.morganscloud.com/2021/09/21/helping-a-member-choose-an-anchor/

I could summarize for you if interested, but would be better to read his entire online book re anchor selection.  

Jeff Thayer
SV Allez
J/42 #46. 

Ken austin

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Mar 31, 2025, 12:36:16 PM3/31/25
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Agree that is a great artcle,and website, which  lead me to get a Spade for upcoming S Pacific trip 


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jeff thayer

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David Jade

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We’ve had a Spade for years now (previous J boat and now on our J/46) and everything John writes about it is our experience too. It’s a great anchor. 

David                      _/)

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On Mar 31, 2025, at 12:36 PM, Ken austin <kdau...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Agree that is a great artcle,and website, which  lead me to get a Spade for upcoming S Pacific trip 

Graeme Nichol

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Mar 31, 2025, 3:33:24 PM3/31/25
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Anchors and anchoring has always been a rabbit hole. It seems I am being sucked into it all!

Another anchor which was recommended by a cruising friend is a Mantus M2. 
Anybody know that one?

The Morgans Cloud articles are interesting. Thanks.

Graeme

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On Mar 31, 2025, at 12:36, Ken austin <kdau...@gmail.com> wrote:

Agree that is a great artcle,and website, which  lead me to get a Spade for upcoming S Pacific trip 

douglas wilder

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May 28, 2025, 9:44:30 PM5/28/25
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i use a 87# mantis series-1, max scope 220 feet of 3/8”, never drags include in 62 feet of water.  

the following you channels should checked out the guys does a great job showing the anchors testing.

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Subject: Re: [J/4X-owners] Rocna anchor on a J40?
 

david hills

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May 29, 2025, 9:01:12 AM5/29/25
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Morning Doug, was it you who talked about manufacturing the piece that deflects lines from getting caught in the rudder?
I was out of the country and trying to get one, and somehow it fell between the cracks.
Thank you,
David
SV Raven- J42

David Hills
Caretaker 
Emery Farm
135 Piscataqua Rd
Durham, NH 03824

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I am my own weakness, there is no other
We are all one, there is no other

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On May 28, 2025, at 9:44 PM, douglas wilder <douglas....@gmail.com> wrote:


i use a 87# mantis series-1, max scope 220 feet of 3/8”, never drags include in 62 feet of water.  

the following you channels should checked out the guys does a great job showing the anchors testing.

William C. Wohlforth

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May 29, 2025, 9:18:29 AM5/29/25
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David,

 

I think you might be referring to a thread initiated by a query from me on the subject “J4X's and lobster warp”. It includes photos of several owners’ small deflecting fins. I had one fiberglassed on to my new to me 42. About to test it on a delivery from Annapolis to Maine.

 

Best,

 

Bill

J/42 Hotspur

 

david hills

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Thanks, Bill,
I believe somebody had made up fins and they were asking $20 to cover the cost. I’m about to splash tomorrow or next week and would love to get one. Thank you,
David
SV Raven J/42
David Hills
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I am my own weakness, there is no other
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Todd Stevens

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So, I lost the Rocna. :(

Expensive lesson learned.  I'll confess to my stupidity in case it helps someone else avoid similar.   I'm still not exactly sure what happened, because it was hidden from me by the dinghy lashed on the foredeck and general chaotic noises of the situation.

It happened while s/v Wild was reaching across one of the elefante zones in the northern Sea of Cortez.  There was an extended period (several hours) of fairly violent boat motion.  All my attention was focused on trying to keep the rig stable and the boat moving.  Here's my best guess: (You'll see where this is going, but please hold your comments until the end.)
 
Jack line thrashing around flips open windlass switch covers and somehow (under load?) momentarily activates the "down" switch and launches the anchor.
IMG_9608.jpeg
 Loose anchor starts thrashing around violently. Leaves some dings in the gel coat.
IMG_9610.jpeg

Despite the Red LocTite, set screw of the Anchor Turner works out (maybe heat was generated?) and violent motion of the anchor bends the jaws open.
IMG_9413.jpeg
Anchor drops into the sea. (Why didn't the pin fall out?).
When we arrived at the evening's anchorage, I found the anchor turner and swivel resting on the roller in the launch position and No Anchor !!!! Had to quickly bring the stern anchor forward and re-rig.

OK, now you can say it. "Always lash the anchor under way!"

So, I had a new anchor delivered to Phoenix, sailed to Puerto Peñasco, and rented a car to go get it.  Now, how to avoid this happening again?

The "lashing hole" provided on the anchor does not happen to line up with the hole provided on the bow roller. But with a small lift on the rollbar, I can pin it into the "bail" hole.  Easy enough to do in a marina, but leaning over the pulpit to do it in a choppy sea may be a bit hazardous. One could drill a new hole in the anchor for that purpose, but I'd rather not.  


IMG_9609.jpeg

But that "bail" bolt is where I tack the spinnaker. (I've also been using the downhaul setup to control the boom preventer.) I guess I could still do both??
IMG_9611.jpeg

For now, I'm just using a piece of rope, because it is too unwieldy to lean over the bow with a pair of wrenches to remove that bolt while coasting in to (or powering out of) a dynamic anchorage.
I guess I'll send away for a clevis pin. Not immediately easy to find one in 316SS in that size.  Looking for something like this, but maybe with a more secure retainer.
hitch pin.jpg
Anyone happen to have a specific bit of hardware that works well for this?

And/or one could lay out cash to have something fabricated in place of the (missing) port side bow roller, and rig the spinnaker through that.  (No sense working just one problem at a time, when you could have five!) Or is there a specific source for that?  I've got to get all the measuring and ordering out of the way before I leave the boat for the summer, 1 July.  
IMG_9612.jpeg
Hmm... looks like nothing could stick out more than a couple inches more than the stbd roller without interference from the anchor rollbar when pinned in place.  I.e. a second identical roller would work. Or maybe just a piece of square tube?

Rod Deyo

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It's possible the jackline over the open windlass switches also raised the anchor. Perhaps this caused the bending. You might want to inslect tbe windlass carefully, especially the motor and gears. 

When underway we try to alway turn the windlass breaker off to avoid it coming on unexpectedly. 

To secure a Rockna with the roller pin, a twist shackle can be used or a short spectra line thru the top hole. Also, it's a good idea to attach a SS clip and line to the anchor chain directly.

Rod Deyo
J/42 Northern Lights (#61)

Todd Stevens

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My old boat has a chain stopper on deck between the roller and windlass. But with the anchor-turner and swivel in place (assuming that I replace them) there isn’t room on the J/42.

AnchorLift Boat Chain Stopper 91405 | 3_8-1_2 Inch Stainless - Picture 1 of 3.jpeg

On Jun 8, 2025, at 11:36, Rod Deyo <roder...@gmail.com> wrote:

It's possible the jackline over the open windlass switches also raised the anchor. Perhaps this caused the bending. You might want to inslect tbe windlass carefully, especially the motor and gears. 

When underway we try to alway turn the windlass breaker off to avoid it coming on unexpectedly. 

To secure a Rockna with the roller pin, a twist shackle can be used or a short spectra line thru the top hole. Also, it's a good idea to attach a SS clip and line to the anchor chain directly.

Rod Deyo
J/42 Northern Lights (#61)

On Sun, Jun 8, 2025, 11:10 'Todd Stevens' via J/4X Owner's Group <j4x-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
So, I lost the Rocna. :(

Expensive lesson learned.  I'll confess to my stupidity in case it helps someone else avoid similar.   I'm still not exactly sure what happened, because it was hidden from me by the dinghy lashed on the foredeck and general chaotic noises of the situation.

It happened while s/v Wild was reaching across one of the elefante zones in the northern Sea of Cortez.  There was an extended period (several hours) of fairly violent boat motion.  All my attention was focused on trying to keep the rig stable and the boat moving.  Here's my best guess: (You'll see where this is going, but please hold your comments until the end.)
 
Jack line thrashing around flips open windlass switch covers and somehow (under load?) momentarily activates the "down" switch and launches the anchor.
<IMG_9608.jpeg>
 Loose anchor starts thrashing around violently. Leaves some dings in the gel coat.
<IMG_9610.jpeg>

Despite the Red LocTite, set screw of the Anchor Turner works out (maybe heat was generated?) and violent motion of the anchor bends the jaws open.
<IMG_9413.jpeg>
Anchor drops into the sea. (Why didn't the pin fall out?).
When we arrived at the evening's anchorage, I found the anchor turner and swivel resting on the roller in the launch position and No Anchor !!!! Had to quickly bring the stern anchor forward and re-rig.

OK, now you can say it. "Always lash the anchor under way!"

So, I had a new anchor delivered to Phoenix, sailed to Puerto Peñasco, and rented a car to go get it.  Now, how to avoid this happening again?

The "lashing hole" provided on the anchor does not happen to line up with the hole provided on the bow roller. But with a small lift on the rollbar, I can pin it into the "bail" hole.  Easy enough to do in a marina, but leaning over the pulpit to do it in a choppy sea may be a bit hazardous. One could drill a new hole in the anchor for that purpose, but I'd rather not.  


<IMG_9609.jpeg>

But that "bail" bolt is where I tack the spinnaker. (I've also been using the downhaul setup to control the boom preventer.) I guess I could still do both??
<IMG_9611.jpeg>

For now, I'm just using a piece of rope, because it is too unwieldy to lean over the bow with a pair of wrenches to remove that bolt while coasting in to (or powering out of) a dynamic anchorage.
I guess I'll send away for a clevis pin. Not immediately easy to find one in 316SS in that size.  Looking for something like this, but maybe with a more secure retainer.
<hitch pin.jpg>
Anyone happen to have a specific bit of hardware that works well for this?

And/or one could lay out cash to have something fabricated in place of the (missing) port side bow roller, and rig the spinnaker through that.  (No sense working just one problem at a time, when you could have five!) Or is there a specific source for that?  I've got to get all the measuring and ordering out of the way before I leave the boat for the summer, 1 July.  

Adam Ruscitto

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Hi Todd,

I think the use of a Mantus anchor guard was mentioned earlier in this thread. A couple years ago I switched from a Rocna with roll bar to a Vulcan and needed to add the anchor guard to get the Vulcan to sit securely on my roller and not hit my furling drum. This combined with a Titan Strap keeps everything very secure up front. When underway I use block and tackle to take load off the windlass. Admittedly, I have not had  my J/40 in conditions where I’m constantly taking waves over the bow which would really test this. Might be worth a try.

Adam

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On Jun 8, 2025, at 11:36, Rod Deyo <roder...@gmail.com> wrote:


It's possible the jackline over the open windlass switches also raised the anchor. Perhaps this caused the bending. You might want to inslect tbe windlass carefully, especially the motor and gears. 

When underway we try to alway turn the windlass breaker off to avoid it coming on unexpectedly. 

To secure a Rockna with the roller pin, a twist shackle can be used or a short spectra line thru the top hole. Also, it's a good idea to attach a SS clip and line to the anchor chain directly.

Rod Deyo
J/42 Northern Lights (#61)

On Sun, Jun 8, 2025, 11:10 'Todd Stevens' via J/4X Owner's Group <j4x-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
So, I lost the Rocna. :(

Expensive lesson learned.  I'll confess to my stupidity in case it helps someone else avoid similar.   I'm still not exactly sure what happened, because it was hidden from me by the dinghy lashed on the foredeck and general chaotic noises of the situation.

It happened while s/v Wild was reaching across one of the elefante zones in the northern Sea of Cortez.  There was an extended period (several hours) of fairly violent boat motion.  All my attention was focused on trying to keep the rig stable and the boat moving.  Here's my best guess: (You'll see where this is going, but please hold your comments until the end.)
 
Jack line thrashing around flips open windlass switch covers and somehow (under load?) momentarily activates the "down" switch and launches the anchor.
<IMG_9608.jpeg>

 Loose anchor starts thrashing around violently. Leaves some dings in the gel coat.
<IMG_9610.jpeg>


Despite the Red LocTite, set screw of the Anchor Turner works out (maybe heat was generated?) and violent motion of the anchor bends the jaws open.
<IMG_9413.jpeg>

Anchor drops into the sea. (Why didn't the pin fall out?).
When we arrived at the evening's anchorage, I found the anchor turner and swivel resting on the roller in the launch position and No Anchor !!!! Had to quickly bring the stern anchor forward and re-rig.

OK, now you can say it. "Always lash the anchor under way!"

So, I had a new anchor delivered to Phoenix, sailed to Puerto Peñasco, and rented a car to go get it.  Now, how to avoid this happening again?

The "lashing hole" provided on the anchor does not happen to line up with the hole provided on the bow roller. But with a small lift on the rollbar, I can pin it into the "bail" hole.  Easy enough to do in a marina, but leaning over the pulpit to do it in a choppy sea may be a bit hazardous. One could drill a new hole in the anchor for that purpose, but I'd rather not.  


<IMG_9609.jpeg>


But that "bail" bolt is where I tack the spinnaker. (I've also been using the downhaul setup to control the boom preventer.) I guess I could still do both??
<IMG_9611.jpeg>


For now, I'm just using a piece of rope, because it is too unwieldy to lean over the bow with a pair of wrenches to remove that bolt while coasting in to (or powering out of) a dynamic anchorage.
I guess I'll send away for a clevis pin. Not immediately easy to find one in 316SS in that size.  Looking for something like this, but maybe with a more secure retainer.
<hitch pin.jpg>

Anyone happen to have a specific bit of hardware that works well for this?

And/or one could lay out cash to have something fabricated in place of the (missing) port side bow roller, and rig the spinnaker through that.  (No sense working just one problem at a time, when you could have five!) Or is there a specific source for that?  I've got to get all the measuring and ordering out of the way before I leave the boat for the summer, 1 July.  
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