"Mouses" o "mice"
Roger
dei plurali inglesi irregolari.
Sappiamo che il plurale di topo in inglese è "mice".
Ma questo plurale vale anche per il mouse del pc?
Roger
Ragnarok
>
> Sappiamo che il plurale di topo in inglese è "mice".
>
> Ma questo plurale vale anche per il mouse del pc?
E, soprattutto, "topo senza coda" si dice "mouse cordless"?
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Joey from NY
(in article <jTwHo.3428$7b4...@tornado.fastwebnet.it>):
> Il 25/11/2010 17:48, Roger ha scritto:
>>
>> Sappiamo che il plurale di topo in inglese è "mice".
>>
>> Ma questo plurale vale anche per il mouse del pc?
>
> E, soprattutto, "topo senza coda" si dice "mouse cordless"?
>
The plural of 'mouse' is 'mice,' whether it's animate or computer-related.
Those without tails are 'cordless mice.' 'Cordless,' being the adjective,
goes before the noun.
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Joey from NY
Roger
> On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 12:18:07 -0500, Ragnarok wrote:
>
>> Il 25/11/2010 17:48, Roger ha scritto:
>>>
>>> Sappiamo che il plurale di topo in inglese è "mice".
>>>
>>> Ma questo plurale vale anche per il mouse del pc?
>>
>> E, soprattutto, "topo senza coda" si dice "mouse cordless"?
>>
>
> The plural of 'mouse' is 'mice,' whether it's animate or computer-related.
> Those without tails are 'cordless mice.' 'Cordless,' being the adjective,
> goes before the noun.
Grazie
Roger
edevils
I think Ragnarok was joking and used the Italian for cordless mice: we
call them "mouse cordless".
Ragnarok
>
> I think Ragnarok was joking and used the Italian for cordless mice: we
> call them "mouse cordless".
I was joking when I asked for a "topo senza coda" too.. but the shop
assistant looked at me badly..
Army1987
> Su ICLIt si sta parlando degli inglesismi al plurale in generale e
> dei plurali inglesi irregolari.
>
>
> Ma questo plurale vale anche per il mouse del pc?
C'è chi per evitare il problema dice "mouse devices"... :-)
Gianfranco
> Sappiamo che il plurale di topo in inglese è "mice".
> Ma questo plurale vale anche per il mouse del pc?
si'
Pleg
> Su ICLIt si sta parlando degli inglesismi al plurale in generale e
> dei plurali inglesi irregolari.
>
>
> Ma questo plurale vale anche per il mouse del pc?
>
> Roger
Si'. Ad esempio sulla mia linux box ho il file /dev/input/mice ,
oltre a /dev/input/mouse0 e /dev/input/mouse1
Pleg
Roger
> On Nov 25, 8:48ï¿œam, Roger wrote:
>> Su ICLIt si sta parlando degli inglesismi al plurale in generale e
>> dei plurali inglesi irregolari.
>>
>>
>> Ma questo plurale vale anche per il mouse del pc?
>>
>> Roger
>
> Si'. Ad esempio sulla mia linux box ho il file /dev/input/mice ,
> oltre a /dev/input/mouse0 e /dev/input/mouse1
Ringrazio nuovamente tutti.
Qualcuno perￜ su ICLIt ha segnalato che il Merriam-Webster online
per il mouse del pc ammette il plurale "mouses"
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mouse
Che valore ha questo dizionario-enciclopedia presso i madrelingua
inglesi?
Roger
edevils
> Qualcuno perￜ su ICLIt ha segnalato che il Merriam-Webster online
> per il mouse del pc ammette il plurale "mouses"
>
> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mouse
>
> Che valore ha questo dizionario-enciclopedia presso i madrelingua
> inglesi?
Piuttosto mi chiederei che valore abbia per i produttori e venditori di
hardware, che tutto sommato decidono i nomi commerciali per quegli
aggeggi. :-)
Joey from NY
(in article <ict4pm$fah$1...@tdi.cu.mi.it>):
> Pleg ha scritto:
>> On Nov 25, 8:48 am, Roger wrote:
>>> Su ICLIt si sta parlando degli inglesismi al plurale in generale e
>>> dei plurali inglesi irregolari.
>>>
>>> Sappiamo che il plurale di topo in inglese è "mice".
>>>
>>> Ma questo plurale vale anche per il mouse del pc?
>>>
>>> Roger
>>
>> Si'. Ad esempio sulla mia linux box ho il file /dev/input/mice ,
>> oltre a /dev/input/mouse0 e /dev/input/mouse1
>
> Ringrazio nuovamente tutti.
> Qualcuno però su ICLIt ha segnalato che il Merriam-Webster online
> per il mouse del pc ammette il plurale "mouses"
>
> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mouse
>
> Che valore ha questo dizionario-enciclopedia presso i madrelingua
> inglesi?
>
> Roger
>
>
Not very useful, IMHO. My desktop M-W (dated 1999) only lists "mice" as the
plural, even for computer mice. Somewhere between 1999 and today they decided
to allow the non-standard, geek plural 'mouses.' I don't buy it.
The web site also lists 'irregardless' as "non-standard," where it's just
outright "wrong."
I would take everything they offer with a grain of salt.
--
Joey from NY
EiP
[...]
> I would take everything they offer with a grain of salt.
So what's a good American English dictionary? not necessarily a digital one.
Ciao,
Enrico il Pentolaio.
edevils
> On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 03:44:25 -0500, Roger wrote
> (in article <ict4pm$fah$1...@tdi.cu.mi.it>):
>
>> Pleg ha scritto:
>>> On Nov 25, 8:48 am, Roger wrote:
>>>> Su ICLIt si sta parlando degli inglesismi al plurale in generale e
>>>> dei plurali inglesi irregolari.
>>>>
>>>> Sappiamo che il plurale di topo in inglese è "mice".
>>>>
>>>> Ma questo plurale vale anche per il mouse del pc?
>>>>
>>>> Roger
>>>
>>> Si'. Ad esempio sulla mia linux box ho il file /dev/input/mice ,
>>> oltre a /dev/input/mouse0 e /dev/input/mouse1
>>
>> Ringrazio nuovamente tutti.
>> Qualcuno però su ICLIt ha segnalato che il Merriam-Webster online
>> per il mouse del pc ammette il plurale "mouses"
>>
>> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mouse
>>
>> Che valore ha questo dizionario-enciclopedia presso i madrelingua
>> inglesi?
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>
>
> Not very useful, IMHO. My desktop M-W (dated 1999) only lists "mice" as the
> plural, even for computer mice. Somewhere between 1999 and today they decided
> to allow the non-standard, geek plural 'mouses.' I don't buy it.
Shouldn't a dictionary include as many words as it can, and "geek
words" too? :-)
Anyway, it's listed as a variant ("also ...").
While "mice" is the usual plural (in the not-so-frequent occasions
where the plural is needed), I read that "...computer mice or mouses
(both are widely accepted as plurals)..." according to this paper of
the American English Institute/Linguistics Department, University of
Oregon.
http://aei.uoregon.edu/de/iraq/lessons/week06/workbook_breakingnewsenglish_computermouse-20090204.pdf
For more points of view...
http://www.antimoon.com/forum/t8107-0.htm
> The web site also lists 'irregardless' as "non-standard," where it's just
> outright "wrong."
Still, several dictionaries do list it, often as "nonstandard" or
"informal", or even "used humorously"
http://www.onelook.com/?w=irregardless&ls=a
And the M-W has a usage note
Usage Discussion of IRREGARDLESS
Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th
century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention
of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated
remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word,
however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found
from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over
the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use
regardless instead.
Origin of IRREGARDLESS
probably blend of irrespective and regardless
First Known Use: circa 1912
> I would take everything they offer with a grain of salt.
I don't think they are saying "Do use 'irregardless'". They are
explaining how it is sometimes used in speech, and how you can avoid it
("Use regardless instead"). I think that's a useful bit of information.
G
> On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 03:44:25 -0500, Roger wrote
> (in article <ict4pm$fah$1...@tdi.cu.mi.it>):
>
>> Pleg ha scritto:
>>> On Nov 25, 8:48 am, Roger wrote:
>>>> Su ICLIt si sta parlando degli inglesismi al plurale in generale e
>>>> dei plurali inglesi irregolari.
>>>>
>>>> Sappiamo che il plurale di topo in inglese è "mice".
>>>>
>>>> Ma questo plurale vale anche per il mouse del pc?
>>>>
>>>> Roger
>>>
>>> Si'. Ad esempio sulla mia linux box ho il file /dev/input/mice ,
>>> oltre a /dev/input/mouse0 e /dev/input/mouse1
>>
>> Ringrazio nuovamente tutti.
>> Qualcuno però su ICLIt ha segnalato che il Merriam-Webster online
>> per il mouse del pc ammette il plurale "mouses"
>>
>> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/mouse
>>
>> Che valore ha questo dizionario-enciclopedia presso i madrelingua
>> inglesi?
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>
>
> Not very useful, IMHO. My desktop M-W (dated 1999) only lists "mice" as the
> plural, even for computer mice. Somewhere between 1999 and today they
> decided to allow the non-standard, geek plural 'mouses.' I don't buy it.
>
I wonder if it includes other geek plurals like VAXen or boxen (as in "Unix
boxen"), unless they are too old; before geekness became popular....
G
Joey from NY
(in article <ictut2$26u$1...@speranza.aioe.org>):
I use the New Oxford American Dictionary (on line) or the American Heritage
Dictionary. I do have Webster's Collegiate from 1999, but as soon as a paper
dictionary is published it becomes outdated, so I prefer online references,
with some reservations, vis-a-vis neologisms, since I tend to be a stuffy old
f@rt. If I make up a word, it's great! If someone else does, it's bad! :)
--
Joey from NY
Joey from NY
(in article <8lhgn2...@mid.individual.net>):
>> Not very useful, IMHO. My desktop M-W (dated 1999) only lists "mice" as the
>> plural, even for computer mice. Somewhere between 1999 and today they
>> decided to allow the non-standard, geek plural 'mouses.' I don't buy it.
>>
>
> I wonder if it includes other geek plurals like VAXen or boxen (as in "Unix
> boxen"), unless they are too old; before geekness became popular....
It doesn't even have VAX in the singular, let alone a plural of VAXen. It has
box, of course, but in other contexts, with the plural 'boxes.'
It doesn't have 'cybercafe' either, but at least it has 'cyber-' as a prefix.
I haven't used that dictionary in years and I should probably donate it
somewhere.
I don't use my Harper Collins Italian College Dictionary any more either,
since I have Garzanti Linguistica at my fingertips.
--
Joey from NY
Army1987
> The web site also lists 'irregardless' as "non-standard," where it's just
> outright "wrong."
I guess the difference between "non-standard" and "outright wrong" is
that native speaker *do* actually use the former with a greater
frequency than ascribable to typos and slips of the tongue, in which
case "irregardless" is not outright wrong.
edevils
Not just in speech and casual writing, but in books too: some 16,000
occurrences in Google Books (even if many just discuss the word
itself).
Besides, I understand that it is used humorously at times.