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Mauro

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Jun 25, 2008, 2:31:24 PM6/25/08
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Ciao, sapete dirmi come dovrebbe essere pronunciato il cognome MacDougall?
Dugal o dagal? Per esempio il cognome dell'attore Michael Douglas viene
pronunciato, almento da noi, con la A (daglas) mentre quello delle
profumerie Douglas e' pronunciato con la U (duglas).

Grazie dell'aiuto!
Ciao.


Tony the Ice Man

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Jun 25, 2008, 2:35:33 PM6/25/08
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It's pronounced like doo-doo, not like duh-duh.


Mauro

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Jun 25, 2008, 2:53:16 PM6/25/08
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"Tony the Ice Man" <CANCELLAREant...@yahoo.it> ha scritto nel
messaggio

> It's pronounced like doo-doo, not like duh-duh.

Thank you very much :-)


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Antonio Carlini

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Jun 26, 2008, 7:07:58 PM6/26/08
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"Tony the Ice Man" <CANCELLAREant...@yahoo.it> wrote in
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And Douglas (Michael, the tree, the axe, and the rest AFAIK) is
d^gl@s
(@=schwa)
The ^ is the same sound as the u in dull ... ^ is the nearest I
can get to the inverted v in IPA ...

Definitely not an A!

I'm sure there's a _usable_ IPA <-> ASCII chart around but I
gave up :-)

Antonio


Raymot

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Jun 27, 2008, 6:59:36 PM6/27/08
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In article <Xns9ACA15962687a...@69.16.176.253>, arca...@iee.org
says...


http://alt-usage-english.org/ipa/ascii_ipa_combined.shtml

This is probably the simplest of the authoritative charts,
and it comes with sound files. The only thing that makes it
complicated is that there is a lot of explanation for those
who don't know IPA itself.
If you copied the page to a .doc file and deleted all but
the IPA and Ascii IPA columns, you'd have exactly what you
need.

--
Raymot
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Brisbane, Aus.

lentulax

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Jun 27, 2008, 7:23:36 PM6/27/08
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"ADPUF" <flyh...@mosq.it> wrote in message
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> 20:31, mercoledì 25 giugno 2008, Mauro:

>
>> Ciao, sapete dirmi come dovrebbe essere pronunciato il cognome
>> MacDougall? Dugal o dagal?
>
>
> Io scommetto su Dugal.

>
>
>> Per esempio il cognome dell'attore Michael Douglas viene
>> pronunciato, almento da noi, con la A (daglas) mentre quello
>> delle profumerie Douglas e' pronunciato con la U (duglas).
>
>
> Il mio vecchio dizionario dice che la pronuncia di Douglas è
> come la U di "but".
>
> Non so l'etimologia, ma Douglas mi pare d'origine francese, non
> scozzese.
>

The perfume firm is German .

Mike

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Antonio Carlini

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Jun 29, 2008, 6:16:27 PM6/29/08
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era...@pencilcase.com.au (Raymot) wrote in
news:486570d7$0$19041$5a62...@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au:

> http://alt-usage-english.org/ipa/ascii_ipa_combined.shtml
>
> This is probably the simplest of the authoritative charts,
> and it comes with sound files. The only thing that makes it
> complicated is that there is a lot of explanation for those
> who don't know IPA itself.
> If you copied the page to a .doc file and deleted all but
> the IPA and Ascii IPA columns, you'd have exactly what you
> need.

Thanks

Antonio

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Enrico C

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Jun 30, 2008, 11:30:03 AM6/30/08
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Raymot wrote:

> http://alt-usage-english.org/ipa/ascii_ipa_combined.shtml
>
> This is probably the simplest of the authoritative charts,
> and it comes with sound files.


Molto bella, ma non semplicissima! :)

Per esempio, distingue tra la /A:/ di 'father' (nelle pronunce sia UK
sia US), e la /a:/ di 'park' come si pronuncia a Boston!

Inoltre, non so quanto sia intuitivo il simbolo /A./ per la 'o' di
'hot" in una pronuncia UK, boh...
(mentre è intuitivo /A/ per 'hot" in una pronuncia US).

Raymot

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Jul 1, 2008, 3:09:10 AM7/1/08
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In article <xn0fs1uli...@news.lillathedog.net>,
use_reply...@devils.com says...

Yes, these are the two main problems I have with it too,
especially the /dA.g/ for how I would say "dog".
I tend to use /a:/ for BrE /fa:D@/ and US non-rhotic /pa:k/
because I can't tell the difference.
Nevertheless, now that I've written it, you know how
I say "dog".

Enrico C

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Jul 1, 2008, 3:49:13 AM7/1/08
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Raymot wrote:

> I tend to use /a:/ for BrE /fa:D@/ and US non-rhotic /pa:k/
> because I can't tell the difference.

Secondo quella tabella (se ben capisco), in "father" e in "park" non
si usa il suono [a] (frontale, simile alla "a" italiana di "pasta")
nelle pronunce mainstream UK e US (salvo eccezioni, tipo "park" a
Boston), bensė si usa il suono [A] (pių arretrato).

A proposito della [a] dicono

http://alt-usage-english.org/ipa/ascii_ipa_combined.shtml#focus

"Also in diphthongs: "dive" /daIv/ (yes, folks, the sound
traditionally called "long i" is actually a diphthong!), "out" /aUt/.
Typically, [a] is not distinguished phonemically from [A]; but if you
use in "ask" a vowel distinct both from the one in "cat" and the one
in "father", then [a] is what it is.

Some Britons, including the Oxford University Press, now feel that
the diphthong in dive is /VI/ rather than /aI/."

Sulla [A] invece

"This sound requires opening your mouth wide and feeling resonance at
the back of your mouth."


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