What does rai mean?
Evi
have (Il Trovatore).
One word, rai, is not in my dictionary: It appears in these verses:
Ah!... se l'error t'ingombra,
O figlia d'Eva, i rai,
Presso a morir, vedrai
Che un'ombra, un sogno fu,
Anzi del sogno un'ombra
La speme di quaggiù!
And
Sul romper dell'aurora un bel mattino
Ella dischiude i rai;
Evi (UK)
frank rusc-alla
>I can't speak italian but I want to understand the words to an opera
>which I have (Il Trovatore).
>
>One word, rai, is not in my dictionary: It appears in these verses:
Dear Evi,
"rai" is a short and poetic version of "raggi", which means "rays".
Welcome to the ng. :o)
Ciao
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Evi
I've just come across another phrase with the word and, using 'rays' as a
starting point, I think it may be even more poetical and mean 'eyes'. That
is the only translation which fits in with all the times this word is used.
ie
Sul romper dell'aurora un bel mattino
Ella dischiude i rai;
E chi trova d'accanto a quel bambino?
Sul romper dell'aurora un bel mattino
Ella dischiude i rai;
E chi trova d'accanto a quel bambino?
... Tergete i rai
E guidatemi all'ara! : (spoken to her weeping attendants)
This latest example was the one which gave me that idea.
Evi
frank rusc-alla <ruscZ...@iol.itZZZ> wrote in message
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> Evi ha scritto nel messaggio ...
> >I can't speak italian but I want to understand the words to an opera
> >which I have (Il Trovatore).
> >
> >One word, rai, is not in my dictionary: It appears in these verses:
>
> Dear Evi,
> "rai" is a short and poetic version of "raggi", which means "rays".
> Welcome to the ng. :o)
>
> Ciao
> Frank
>
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> Su it.news.votazioni si puň finalmente votare per la creazione di
Evi
Ah!... se l'error t'ingombra,
O figlia d'Eva, i rai,
Presso a morir, vedrai
Che un'ombra, un sogno fu,
Anzi del sogno un'ombra
La speme di quaggiù!
Evi <evw...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks Frank.
> I've just come across another phrase with the word and, using 'rays' as a
> starting point, I think it may be even more poetical and mean 'eyes'. That
> is the only translation which fits in with all the times this word is
> used. ie
>
> Sul romper dell'aurora un bel mattino
> Ella dischiude i rai;
> E chi trova d'accanto a quel bambino?
>
> Sul romper dell'aurora un bel mattino
> Ella dischiude i rai;
> E chi trova d'accanto a quel bambino?
>
> ... Tergete i rai
> E guidatemi all'ara! : (spoken to her weeping attendants)
>
> This latest example was the one which gave me that idea.
>
> Evi
>
agree. rai means literally rays, but here it is used with an extended
meaning (a name exist for this poetical/retorical operation, but I don't
remember it...).
however, i'll warn you. the writer of the trovatore libretto is really a
poor poet. only the wonderful verdian music save this silly writing.
--
Iso
TOGLI NOSPAM
GFCARRERA
>I think it may be even more poetical and mean 'eyes'.
Oh quante volte
al tacito morir d'un giorno inerte,
chinati i *rai* fulminei,
le braccia al sen conserte
stette, e dei di che furon
l'assalse il sovvenir.
......one of my favorite literary works (of course, the author was from Milan!)
rai = occhi = eyes
ciao
arianna
Evi
Oh how many times,
At the silent dying of a still day,
Bright eyes lowered,
Arms folded on chest,
One stands, and must ??? (couldn't find furon)
Is assaulted by memory.
Sounds good. What does the "e dei di che furon" bit mean?
Evi
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GFCARRERA
>I'm guessing that this means something like
>Oh how many times,
>At the silent dying of a still day,
>Bright eyes lowered,
>Arms folded on chest,
>One stands, and must ??? (couldn't find furon)
That's very, very good!
furon = furono (past absolute of "essere")
e dei di che furon = e dei giorni che furono (passarono)
*stette* is the past absolute of stare. Literally you could translate that as
"he stayed". I would translate it as "he paused".
Do you know the poem? It's an ode.
ciao
Arianna
Evi
No, Arianna, I only started reading Italian a couple of months ago so that I
could understand the opera libretto with a CD which I bought. But I really
like that poem. Thanks for helping me to understand it. Looks like I'll
have to learn those irregular verb forms!
Evi
Lupo Buono
>
>No, Arianna, I only started reading Italian a couple of months ago so that I
>could understand the opera libretto with a CD which I bought. But I really
>like that poem. Thanks for helping me to understand it. Looks like I'll
>have to learn those irregular verb forms!
Just in case you don't know it already, the Italian you can find in things
like operas and poetry is quite different from the one that is in use today,
you won't find anybody speaking like that except in theatre performances.
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So cry right here on the dotted line
GFCARRERA
>is quite different from the one that is in use today,
>you won't find anybody speaking like that
I do!
ciao
arianna
Lupo Buono
I stand corrected. Anybody but Arianna, that is.
Evi
Lupo Buono <yeah....@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> Just in case you don't know it already, the Italian you can find in things
> like operas and poetry is quite different from the one that is in use
today,
> you won't find anybody speaking like that except in theatre performances.
>
But what fun to go to my local supermarket and ask them to 'Turn upon me the
sunshine of those deadly lamps, your eyes. I burn to know the price of these
sausages!"
Evi
Lupo Buono
>
>But what fun to go to my local supermarket and ask them to 'Turn upon me the
>sunshine of those deadly lamps, your eyes. I burn to know the price of these
>sausages!"
>
LOL! The way you put it, I feel like trying that myself; It would make
shopping much more funny!