In signal to military, Hillary Clinton picks Senator Tim Kaine as running mate - World Socialist Web Site
Shard
I'd like to hear your reactions to this announcement. What happened to Bernie for Veep?!
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Another point to make - and let me make it clear that there's no doubt that Trump is a grotesque monster and an evil thug - is that the evils Trump channels are not inherent characteristics of a class who would be empowered were he to be elected. They are, sadly, the only expression possible within this insanely dysfunctional system of very real suffering, very real disempowerment, very real deterioration in the working and living conditions of millions of Americans (but also Europeans, since we mustn't forget that many European countries are also facing the rise of demagogic political forces) - in other words, of the effects of the inexorable momentum of neoliberalism, which is the current form of capitalism. I guess what I'm saying is that when we recoil in horror before Trump and his followers, aren't we really recoiling in horror at ourselves? Who among us, privileged though we are, hasn't already felt that deterioration in living and working conditions? None of us would dream of stooping to vile name-calling, mouth racist epithets, against those we're encouraged to see as responsible for that deterioration. We know that there isn't a "them" who are "swarming to our shores" to "take away our jobs" and "eat our bread" (that last is French, and adjustments need to be made for the relative importance of bread in French culture; if anything started the Revolution, it was a bread shortage). But when we recoil in horror at Trump and his followers, aren't we placing ourselves in the position of a "we" that is "not like them"? "Taking the moral high ground" - except that the "moral high ground" is a Stratofortress or a drone... Or, if we are fully aware that Trump's supporters are working people just like us, and forgive them for voting for Trump as we expect to be forgiven for voting for the Clintons, shouldn't we question the very fact of our participation in a system that polarizes us to the point where each of us has no choice but to become a caricature? Isn't the electoral system the real enemy, since it's stolen our own reality from us?
So I have to agree: It's a false perception to see this election as a choice between an establishment party no one actually seriously tries to defend anymore and a threat of Fascism no one can in conscience allow to gain ground. The real threat lies behind both candidates, and it is no more corrupt, elite CEOs and financiers protected by murderous militarized "police" - in fact an army of occupation of the "Homeland" that has a name: Northcom - than it is snarling, club-wielding, reality-TV-and-FPS-addled racist thugs. It is a naked physical force that derives its power from being indissociable from life itself, since it is indissociable from our need for food and shelter: not "capitalists," not "capitalism," not "them," but Capital itself. And as a naked force, it must take on "human" masks to prevent us from perceiving its true nature. In the present instance, those masks are Trump and Clinton.
So, to address Donata's and Adrienne's defense of their Hillary vote: Of course you should be proud of the fact that a woman can become president, and of course Hillary has shown concern for the poor, people of color, and the disenfranchised. But you have to ask yourself if the system she represents is capable of undoing the damage it has done, and continues to do, all around the planet and even beyond, to the lives of countless women, children, and men whom no one even asks who they want to be leader of the Free World, and to the planet herself. It's not that I think Hillary (or Trump) is an evil person. The problem is that the "choice" I am being given between them is arranged for me by that same system. And, as John says, all it expects me to do is to vote for one of them and then go back to my submission to that system - a system where everything is for sale, where everything is a commodity, where solidarity is reduced to charity. And above all, where strength - or if you prefer, violence - makes all the real decisions. And it makes no difference whether the human figurehead we choose to "lead" us under that system has male or female sexual characteristics, or darker or lighter skin.
And again to agree with John: All of this is part of the process of evolution, and - in what may appear paradoxical in an age when all of us are dependent on technology - our evolution seems to be tending toward a return to the wisdom of our ancestors, which is a wisdom born of their intimacy with the Earth. We've proudly wrapped ourselves in the title (we could be counted on the abuse the privilege of being the only species that gets to name itself) Homo sapiens. We don't deserve that title. We should take stock of what our species has achieved in the period since it began classifying and naming living organisms and re-name ourselves with a name that describes us more accurately: Homo delens. Once we've admitted we're destroyers, maybe we can look for alternatives. Whatever they may be, they won't be bipartisan.
On 31/07/2016 21:21, John Clark wrote:
Doug, I agree with you on many key points, but I would always emphasize what a mistake it would be to underestimate in any way how evil this psychotic thug Trump is. He is a grotesque monster who becomes a focal point for channeling all the resentment, bigotry, hatred and machismo that is festering in this sadly deteriorating society. Trump needs to be used to show in particular the nature of the sickness called patriarchy and also what capitalism looks like when reduced to the absurd. What seems so astounding to me is the panic that the poor liberals (or "progressives" who are ashamed to speak their name) show about the system that they spend their lives propping up. We are to believe that this is “The Greatest Country in the World,” that has a political system worth supporting, and at the same time that maybe more than half of the voters after months of debate will vote for an obnoxious, amoral, incoherent madman. If this is true, it sounds like a very sick and not-so-great country to me, and one that has an insanely dysfunctional political system that isn't worth supporting. However, I am not as pessimistic as these liberals are (or in some smarter cases tactically pretend to be). I think that Trump and his poisonous campaign will self-destruct. My assessment is that the process of social decomposition, despite decades of heroic wrecking efforts by both the Republicans and Democrats, has simply not progressed to the degree that Trump could possibly succeed (given the present state of the society). What is laughable is that the loyal Democrats, who keep mindlessly supporting the very system that has produced these results, actually fear that what they have vigorously worked to produce is so bad that a Trump Creature could actually win by following its ludicrous rules! Every election they faithfully proclaim that everyone should, as always, obediently vote for the lesser of evils, and that after the election we will spend the next four years really trying to change the system. But they never do! They just vote for some repulsive fraudulent Democrat ad then spend the next four years doing absolutely NOTHING to change the system fundamentally. Many of them spend a lot of time cleaning up the devastation that the system produces. But they, just like good Germans, do exactly what they've always been doing and go on producing more corporate Democrats and more potential for Trumps or some much worse Fascist reaction against a disintegrating Empire and an obviously moribund neoliberal capitalist system. No wonder the younger generation is killing itself in such great numbers, as a tragic and inchoate protest against the dominant nihilistic system of obsessive consumption (and the murderous imperialism that supports it). Our generation protested in the name of "All you need is love." This one protests increasingly in the name of "All you need is death." When I look at Hillary, I see the Face of Death. When I look at Trump I see the Face of Murderous Insanity. No one knows which one of these two menaces to humanity and the biosphere will wreak more havoc on the larger world. To quote the criminal Rumsfeld, too much of it is an "unknown unknown." In the unlikely event that Trump would win (significantly increased domestic terrorism or violent civil conflict in particular could raise the likelihood--I only assessed the present moment), he could contribute to creating much greater disasters, or he could reduce them through isolationism, or he could self-destruct to the extent that he would be ineffectual. Clinton would continue policies that reproduce the present course of global disaster, but this course could become much more lethal, particularly domestically. The oppositional forces that it generates are becoming more widespread, gaining experience in methods of mass destruction, and developing more effective ones. Thus, her brand of global imperialism could result in a much higher level of mortality in the core, including the U.S., so that social disruption and the arrival of overt neo-fascism would be accelerated. Americans are tolerant of very high levels of mortality elsewhere (killing 1000 Iraqis for every American death was not at all disquieting to most Americans "USA! USA! USA!"), but they have little tolerance for deaths of Americans. This is one reason why Trump can gain some support based on illusory dangers of immigration and why Democratic Party politicians always stampede toward militarism and genocide as soon as war is declared. Finally, to mention what Hillaryite myopic and ideologically distorted politics harps on incessantly, it is completely obvious that Trump would be harmful to social programs that help (and also help discipline, control, and disable--the "against the poor" part is very important) many of the 4% of human beings who live in this center of global Empire. To deny that likelihood would be as irrational as to absurdly proceed as if that small part of the global picture completely negates the importance of the fate of all 7.4 billion very important human beings, of all future generation, and of a biosphere that is threatened with ecological collapse. The Republican and Democratic conventions were festivals of denial and disavowal of all of these realities. They are a key part of the reproduction of a dying (and killing) system that will (if it continues) produce untold suffering and take with it much of life on Earth as its extremely brief moment in the history of the planet comes to an end. Our job (we others who reject this system) is to help the Earth give birth to something new, which, ironically is precisely equivalent to relearning much of the wisdom of our ancestors.
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'There you go again' with the generalities, Ralph. You're STILL outdoing Trump with the adjectives. As for working on the future, you mean the folks who think Hillary's NOT a change agent--& that's about everyone, including David Axelrod this morning, is wrong? Sanders might have done what you said for the young. But which young? We have a Kaine type La. Gov, who just cut the throats of TOPS students. Getting too detailed for you I guess.
& more details for the lady who just vociferously wanted out, but then back in (deja-vuwise, welcome back, Adrienne). Unlike RA, you did provide some details. But as you know so well, I'm a social worker too, with the same population. For everything the Clinton dynasty has done for the poor, they've done one against the poor. 'Welfare Reform'--a big one--threw out the baby with the bathwater--on a grand scale, much to the delight of types like Newt Gingrich. Then we can talk about NAFTA, W.T.O., TPP which has ground millions in the middle class, of all ethnicities & both genders, close to or into poverty, when once their skilled labor brought a decent living.
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Subject: Re: Excellent>RE: "The Lesser of Evils Versus the Common Good"
Well said...thanks
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On Sunday, July 31, 2016, 10:31 AM, ralph adamo <adamo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thank you, Adrienne. Without returning to the fine points of the long-term damage OUR establishment (which includes all the powerful folk) has done to the world, the ante up to a Trump world remains a way worse danger, to all. I reject the fantasy that electing trump would 'lance the boil' of our bad establishment; rather it would transform it to something worse. For now, electing Hillary gives the young and the determined some time to work on the future. Trump erases the future.
Sent from my iPhoneI was referring to the immediate danger Trump poses to Hispanics, blacks, the poor, women, Muslims...White males will not be his target....and those of us who can, have the option/ the priveledge to leave.As to Hillary, she took on universal health care in this country and was persecuted for it. She did manage to get free health care for children and I see the impact of that every day in my work, so... Wtf...A
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On Saturday, July 30, 2016, 12:55 PM, Shard <shard...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hope you didn't think I was saying I'd actually consider voting for
Trump, Adrienne.But if I might say one thing: Hillary's being a
woman doesn't mean she doesn't represent white male privilege.
On 29/07/2016 21:35, adrienne petrosini wrote:
Okay, I would like to be off this chain. Someone please take me
off!!!
It is the ultimate expression of white male priveledge to
even consider Trump.A
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2016, 1:29 PM, Shard <shard...@gmail.com> wrote:Disconnected? How?
I'm with Doug. I might not vote forTrump, but I'm ready to
think it might not be such a bad idea for him to win. Lance
the boiL
I'm reading John's article now.
On 29/07/2016 17:45, ralph
adamo wrote:
There's that weird, disconnected idealism that leads to
the 3rd Reich again.
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Well
stated. I tried to say as much in my point about
4 years of Trump to accomplish a release of the
strangle hold of this outmoded 2 party system, then
moving to a politics where a true diversity of
voices & talents can not only be heard, bur
accomplish electoral success.
I personally see HC as the greater of evils,
not only per her bloody, destructive tenure as
Sec. of State, but also her husband's destruction
of resistance to the NAFTA et al cannibalization
of American jobs & livelihoods.
I
hear my grandkids at the door, but I intend to
proceed to read your linked article soon.
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Subject: "The Lesser of Evils Versus the Common
Good"
A fascinating debate. I wrote an article
related to the discussion entitled "The Lesser
of Evils Versus the Common Good." It is
illustrated by bioregionalist and graphics
wizard Stephen Duplantier. For anyone
interested, the text can be found here:
My position is that if you really had good
evidence that the dominant World System
(Capitalism-State-Megamachine) is NOT a
global social disaster and a certain road to
ecological collapse, then it would
perhaps make sense to support Hillary. Maybe
her efforts at minor corrections in that
generally beneficent system would have some
value.
However, it seems to me that all the
hard evidence demonstrates that that World
System is rather obviously a social and
ecological disaster, and that it needs to be
replaced as soon as possible. It seems to me
that the question is not whether we should
fear Trump or fear Hillary more. The question
is whether we should fear the Real.
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Shard
Yall are getting tiresome. Get scholastic for a half-hour or so, chill with a brew (preferably top-fermented), and bone up on where Hillery - well okay, all of us - is/are coming from: http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/US_Interventions_WBlumZ.html
I started looking in Blum's writings for his description of the start of the Cold War... Let's see... This?
https://williamblum.org/essays/read/how-the-us-provoked-the-soviet-union-into-invading-afghanistan-and-starting
Nope. That's Afghanistan, Carter, and Brzenezezeninski saying there's no such thing as an international Islamic-fundamentalist menace....
Well... I was able to find this: http://www.johndclare.net/cold_war5.htm
The point is that with a little good will the whole arms race and Cold War could have been avoided, and that the current demonization of Russia and Putin goes back to August (whoops!) 1945. Then as now, the Untied States were/are not ready to accept a world in which there isn't one top dog, and in which they of course are it. Hillery is the inheritor of all that, ovaries or not, clit or not, uterus or not.
But she'll replace Reagan's packet of catsup with a real vegetable - a sustainably grown one, even. Right?
Lesson: the US metaprogramming machine has no equal when it comes to creating boogeymen - Kaiser Bill, Hitler, Stalin, Saddam, Khaddafi, etc., and now Putin and Trump. Why, we can even turn one around from a darling to a demon in, oh, about six months, if not less. The news cycle is short, and so are attention spans.
(Yeah, I know. I'm defending Hitler.)
Doug, getting tired of your deliberate mischaracterizations. In those, you are beginning to sound like Rsh Limpdick, continually misstating what people say. Where have you noted my being an 'ardent clintonian?' I'd like to know, so I can correct the record . And your family in the forest will bean unusually sad and helpless sight, I imagine. Possibly better to stay here and work for the world you want to live in.
Sent from my iPhoneWill resend the Times piece amazingly blowing the whistle on the Super $ conn. boys & girls outfitting the Hillary ponies in Philly. Am reading your earlier submittal. [&What are 'vote computers'?] I'm all for the Ruskies blowing their cyber whistle on DNC imitating Nixon operatives against Sanders, esp. with Wash. Post w/o that lady & taken over by Bezos.
A word about your update on Dr. Strangelove: If Ralph/ardent Clintonians want to duke it out toe to toe w. the Ruskies in tactical (at first) nuclear combat they can start w/o me while I take as much of my family as I can get to into the forest. I ain't gonna be Major Kong over somethin'
Putin could call, if he's up to it, a mild form of 'nation building'--enhancing democracy in a failed society that's lost it's way. (Adrienne would have to decide if she wants to stay, or come with us).
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Subject: Re: Excellent>RE: "The Lesser of Evils Versus the Common Good"
And now.... Demexit:
http://investmentwatchblog.com/demexit-is-happening-now-and-is-gaining-steam-interactive-map-to-re-register/
Was reading your NYT piece, Doug, but Firefox crashed and I lost it. Meanwhile MoonOfAlabama mentions that Russia is being accused of preparing to hack vote computers in order to help Trump win, and recalls that back in June NATO decided that a cyber attack will now be covered by the mutual defense pact along with land, sea, and air attacks. Links on request...
On 31/07/2016 22:23, Doug Roome wrote:
The alternative is what I said, a parliamentary system after the stranglehold is broken.But watch out, I'm locked & loaded now with the goods on latter day sins against the poor by 'reform' Democrats--from my social work career. You & the out/in lady set it up for me.
Will also pull in an NYT front pg. article about the Super-rich/Connected 'shedding' their lay low primary posture at sleekest Philly hotels in pursuit of Ambassadorships et/al ignoring yr 'young' chanting outside. Don't worry, I'm coming.
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Ok, dead horse, old news, but whatever bad the Dems are guilty of, your alternative right now is Donald trump. I guess that's really all I have to say about it. Enjoy feeling holier than me-- it ain't hard.
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Shard
Consider for one moment that the purpose of Trump's candidacy is to get Clinton elected. Then ask yourself whether you'd still be willing to vote for her and to say there's just no choice.
It's hard being called a "holier-than-thou leftist". But I've said it before and I'll say it again here: People who try to bully and blackmail caring, intelligent people into voting for Clinton deserve to have Trump win.
" We are looking at the world that is there nad in that awful world, the democratic party in the US is the only choice" The world is not awful. The Democractic Party in the US IS the awful world you're talking about. US policy (at least) since the war is responsible for all the horror. And you're perpetuating it. The sad thing is that there are alternatives. Sanders is going independent again. Maybe he could be persuaded to run. And there's Stein.
Read this
https://consortiumnews.com/2016/07/29/hillary-clinton-and-her-hawks/#comment-224433
and the comments. In particular this exchange:
________________________________
<<Yes, of course it’s impossible to ascertain the worst or most evil of the two. I’m objecting to the automatic assumption, coming for example from Chomsky, that “reality” means we MUST vote for Clinton, without any further weighing or consideration or assessing of just how bad Trump is. The bulk of Sanders’ supporters (sixty percent?) are swinging, more or less automatically on Sanders’ directions, despite his precipitous loss of credibility, to Clinton. Meanwhile, the DEMs are now starting to demonize Stein–and this is “the lesser evil”? Well, I’m not going to hold my nose again. I want a candidate, and that’s Stein, and if that means Trump gets the office I’m still going for Stein. I will NOT vote for Clinton.
If all the Sanders supporters registered to vote with The Green Party and put stickers on their cars and lawn signs up, by September 1st Jill Stein would be polling at 15% and would be in the debates.
In a three way race when Trump and Clinton are roundly loathed by the American people, Stein could win the election IF she is on enough ballots to get the necessary 270 electoral votes. Especially if she chooses a VP candidate who has experience and high ethical standards. A little charisma would be nice too.
Some solid Stein demonstrations in front of CNN, NBC, FOX and The New York Times and Los Angeles Times offices would also be helpful to get her more name recognition.
This COULD all be accomplished. Where there is a WILL there is a WAY.
If nothing else we could all get the satisfaction of watching
the news media’s heads explode on national television when they
are FORCED to listen to her! >>
________________________________
And to put the icing on the cake, here's an article that argues
that Trump may well be less dangerous than Clinton (by another
American living in France who obviously also has no idea how
truly evil the "other side" is):
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/07/29/could-trump-be-good-for-peace/
Yes, sure, but what are you suggesting? re litigate the post ww2 period? Not happening, is it, not going to happen. yeah, Roosevelt should've left Henry Wallace on the ticket -- whole different world (assuming no one just killed him)....And yeah, I am sic\k of this dialogue with Doug; I may be performing badly, but I am sick of the holier-than-thou left-wingery. I am as far to the left (and correct) side of things as need be. We are looking at the world that is there nad in that awful world, the democratic party in the US is the only choice, not because anyone loves then]m or feels 'ardent' about them, and not only because fear drives us there. We cannot wish the world to be better, which is all I am hearing. It is what it is, and we can work against its worst aspects and hope for a radical change brought on by a very interesting cadre of people between 0 and 25 (in every place on earth, which is why it's exciting). Meanwhile, electing an empty human shell like Trump is just a stupid idea. And there is not other idea on the table except for the democrats. How is this not obvious? no matter what we wish or what we would like to not be true?
On Monday, August 1, 2016 2:44 PM, Shard <shard...@gmail.com> wrote:
Another Blum piece - somewhat germane, I hope. (He's currently ill with kidney disease, by the way, and recently wrote a piece in response to the Nice attack in which he (I feel) falls into the trap of the very anti-Islam metaprogramming whose origins he has so wonderfully traced. But he's still and always will be Da Man):
HIROSHIMA:
NEEDLESS SLAUGHTER,
http://mediafilter.org/caq/Caq53.hiroshima.html
USEFUL TERROR
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Shard
Well, I learned from the piece about Hillary's Hawks that the new term is "no-bombing zone" - a term invented for Syria by a lady named Flournoy who is "on a short, short list" to be Clinton's Sec'y of Defense.
Here's a piece about the Stephanopoulos interview:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Democrats-Promote-Lies-and-by-Jim-Kavanagh-Crimea_Democratic_Democrats_Donald-Trump-160803-212.html
______________________________
<<With his outrageous response to Khizr and Ghazala Khan, whose son, Capt. Humayun Khan, was killed in Iraq, Donald Trump has demonstrated once again that he is one of the nastiest and most narcissistic horse's ass in the known universe. His penchant for saying the perfectly offensive thing, on cue, does make one wonder if he hasn't been put up to this whole thing by his friends, the Clintons, to split the Republicans and ensure Hillary's victory. Then again, as a New Yorker familiar with his bloviated personality, I'm fairly certain his journey into historical ignominy is self-propelled.
But, like the proverbial clock, Donald's unstoppable tongue is right twice a month or so. And egged on by the Clinton campaign, a lot of people are reinforcing various packs of dangerous lies in order to up the ante in trashing Trump. None of these is worse than the warmongering narrative about Russia and Ukraine that's been reinforced by the bipartisan liberal-conservative commentariat after Trump's recent interview with George Stephanopoulos. ThinkProgress, run by Hillary's campaign manager John Podesta, put up a story by Aaron Rupar on this that is being passed around the internet, with the title, " Trump Appears To Be Ignorant Of A Major International Conflict ." Translation: "Trump Goes Off-Script On Ukraine. Must Be Punished."
In this interview, Trump is, as usual, only semi-coherent. But the positions he seems to be taking, and being ridiculed for, are better than the positions of the Democrats, the Obama administration, Hillary, and ThinkProgress.
For example, Stephanopoulos challenges Trump in a "How Could You!?" tone about the GOP removing from its platform a call for the U.S. to arm Ukraine "to defend themselves" from, implicitly, Russia. Trump, however, is right when he answers that Russia is not going to invade Ukraine, saying: "He [Putin]'s not going to go into Ukraine, all right? You can mark it down." In fact, the Obama administration may be disappointed about that, since it did its best to provoke a Russian incursion into Ukraine, in order to justify more overt and massive American military intervention -- exactly what the GOP platform revision rejects. Whether Trump or the GOP will actually live up to this is another story, but good for them for taking this position. That Hillary and her surrogates respond by doubling down on her warmongering position only confirms that the Democrats have enthusiastically embraced their role as the war party.>>
Shard, you on a ROLL! Don't know who said it, but it certainly applies to the Clinton dynasty.
Course, sometimes, as in the Bernie case, you just have to. And since his kids haven't been introduced at the convention, it would seem there's less chance of a Bernie dynasty.
Anyway, I got my checkbook warming up! Let's hope Terry McAuliffe or similar does another slip up indicating Clinton would follow hubby on being a 'free (to gold line oligarch male &female pockets) trade dealer, or that she wants to impose a 'no fly zone' around secessionist Ukraine.
Going to read your links with an eye to Jill Stein.
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 10:16:29 +0200
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Subject: Re: Yes, Sanders should...RE: So It's Ruskies vs. Nixonian style!
... AND it seems Jill would be willing to cede the prexy spot on the ticket to Bernie. How many politicians would give up a shot at the presidency for the good of the country? ? ? Who was it who said that the desire to actually serve as president should immediately disqualify an individual for the position?
On 03/08/2016 01:13, Doug Roome wrote:
But 1st this, relative to email below. Good. At least we're off of singular broad brush inflamed stereotyping & scapegoating of 1 gender & 1 race. That's real good. Maybe someone dusted off their Stones albums & listened to Salt of the Earth--recent NYTimes article (link later) could have included that song in an analysis of a Trump (& Sanders) core groups.
& I nominate Shard's amazingly concise "Cold War & arms race.. being created again because the Empire must be kept in place & we need enemies".They should hire him to guest lecture at Sorbonne per that one! [Say, a lady w. French connections said the Sorbonne was, no kidding, considering a NOLA presence. Came up during meeting (Moi happened to be heavily quoted in subsequent Advocate write up) on uses for which to save old Carrollton Courthouse--my daughter loved old Ben Franklin being there.]
Worth repeating: Sanders should absolutely announce his apologies to Hillary (none needed to DNC tricksters) & kick-off a 3rd party bid. Again i'd triple my total contributions to him to date & he'd have biggest war chest of any candidate overnight+revitalize his now sagging image as quickly. Would handily beat Clinton & Trump.
A 2nd Concise Beauty award goes to Shard for ['I don't really see where I'm crying victimization, but you may as well go ahead & think me of me as a Trump voter, since no one can criticize Clinton or the Democrats...[& not be automatically accused of same]. Priceless.
&later a note to Ralph re: retirement vs. employment re: commentary freedom; apologies to Bob Turansky re: neglecting his great posting & link; that Salt of the Earth voter analysis from NYTimes; a 'say what (!?)' to john Clark. See ya'll later, gotta go walk my dog. talk to Marcia, and eat. The latter probably won't strike Marcus as well as "I hear my grandkids at the door", but it's another day, and you can't win em all.DR*Omg now it's blaming the victim and crying victimization a typical ploy of priveledge and trump.
Shard
This just in--ON CNN TODAY: 'SANDERSGATE' GROWS'> 3 more top dogs at DNC told to take a walk + Wikileaks promises more Clinton email revelations.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Past is Present: Some of today's Zeitgeist borrowed from a certain rock group that spans eras followed by an associated note from the Bible:Let's drink to the hard working peopleLet's drink to the lowly of birth....
Say a prayer for the common foot soldierSpare a thought for his back breaking workSay a prayer for his wife and his childrenWho burn the fires and still till the earth
Then Mick & Keith drop back to the level of (prophetically) today's college educated and the increasing failure of liberal education to bring the 'lower', devalued classes (at large, not just minorities) into close focus:And when I search a faceless crowd,A swirling mass of gray andBlack and whiteThey don't look real to meIn fact, they look so strange
And here's hope (with a warning): Jesus urges the 'people' to wake up and seek the best in themselves, or pay the price: You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt loses it's flavor, how shall it be seasoned? It is then good for nothing but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot by men. (From Matthew).
By God, sometimes I do like Google.
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Subject: !On A Roll! RE: Yes, Sanders should...RE: So It's Ruskies vs. Nixonian style!
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 09:53:39 -0500
Shard, you on a ROLL! Don't know who said it, but it certainly applies to the Clinton dynasty.
Course, sometimes, as in the Bernie case, you just have to. And since his kids haven't been introduced at the convention, it would seem there's less chance of a Bernie dynasty.
Anyway, I got my checkbook warming up! Let's hope Terry McAuliffe or similar does another slip up indicating Clinton would follow hubby on being a 'free (to gold line oligarch male &female pockets) trade dealer, or that she wants to impose a 'no fly zone' around secessionist Ukraine.
Going to read your links with an eye to Jill Stein.
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Subject: Re: Yes, Sanders should...RE: So It's Ruskies vs. Nixonian style!
... AND it seems Jill would be willing to cede the prexy spot on the ticket to Bernie. How many politicians would give up a shot at the presidency for the good of the country? ? ? Who was it who said that the desire to actually serve as president should immediately disqualify an individual for the position?
On 03/08/2016 01:13, Doug Roome wrote:
But 1st this, relative to email below. Good. At least we're off of singular broad brush inflamed stereotyping & scapegoating of 1 gender & 1 race. That's real good. Maybe someone dusted off their Stones albums & listened to Salt of the Earth--recent NYTimes article (link later) could have included that song in an analysis of a Trump (& Sanders) core groups.
& I nominate Shard's amazingly concise "Cold War & arms race.. being created again because the Empire must be kept in place & we need enemies".They should hire him to guest lecture at Sorbonne per that one! [Say, a lady w. French connections said the Sorbonne was, no kidding, considering a NOLA presence. Came up during meeting (Moi happened to be heavily quoted in subsequent Advocate write up) on uses for which to save old Carrollton Courthouse--my daughter loved old Ben Franklin being there.]
Worth repeating: Sanders should absolutely announce his apologies to Hillary (none needed to DNC tricksters) & kick-off a 3rd party bid. Again i'd triple my total contributions to him to date & he'd have biggest war chest of any candidate overnight+revitalize his now sagging image as quickly. Would handily beat Clinton & Trump.
A 2nd Concise Beauty award goes to Shard for ['I don't really see where I'm crying victimization, but you may as well go ahead & think me of me as a Trump voter, since no one can criticize Clinton or the Democrats...[& not be automatically accused of same]. Priceless.
&later a note to Ralph re: retirement vs. employment re: commentary freedom; apologies to Bob Turansky re: neglecting his great posting & link; that Salt of the Earth voter analysis from NYTimes; a 'say what (!?)' to john Clark. See ya'll later, gotta go walk my dog. talk to Marcia, and eat. The latter probably won't strike Marcus as well as "I hear my grandkids at the door", but it's another day, and you can't win em all.DR
*Omg now it's blaming the victim and crying victimization a typical ploy of priveledge and trump.
On Tuesday, August 2, 2016, 7:40 AM, Shard <shard...@gmail.com> wrote: