"[RAMABHADRA (TP OF ISKCON BROOKLYN) HAS] GONE COMPLETELY RENEGADE"
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PRABHUPĀDA: “As the post [of GBC] is very great, similarly, the punishment is also very great.”
>>> Ref. VedaBase => Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 1.13.15 — June 4, 1974, Geneva
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>>> Ref. VedaBase => Bg 7.21 (Purport)
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GBC cannot remove a temple president
"Regarding the election of President, a president can only be changed by vote. If no vote was taken, then the president cannot be changed. "
"Removal of a Temple President by GBC requires support by the local Temple members." Therefore you should take a vote of the Temple membersand do the needful."
"Anyway I have already written you that the local members must agree for him to be removed by you, according to the "Direction of Management.""
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The GBC cannot remove a temple president!
"Regarding the election of President, a president can only be changed by vote. If no vote was taken, then the president cannot be changed."
"Removal of a Temple President by GBC requires support by the local Temple members." Therefore you should take a vote of the Temple members and do the needful."
"Anyway I have already written you that the local members must agree for him to be removed by you, according to the "Direction of Management.""
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The trouble is, many temples had failed to separately incorporate like they were supposed to. Therefore, when one temple got sued, many were liable.
Prabhupada's idea is for ISKCON to be run based upon love and trust, not like a dictatorship! How many people still trust the GBC after all of the crazy things they have done, such as letting hundreds of helpless children, put in their care by well-meaning parents, to get sexually molested/raped and such as selling the 55th Street temple?
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Gaura Das with Vaiyasaki Das and 9 others.
The GBC bankrupted the 55th Street temple. Now these incompetent rascals are trying to bankrupt the Brooklyn temple! The criminally negligent GBC allowed hundreds of helpless children to be sexually molested/raped! Why aren't they in jail where they belong?
Please hang in there, Ramabhadra Prabhu. I pray that Sri Sri Radha Govinda protect you now, at this critical time of a malicious attack by the envious, corrupt, insanely paranoid, criminally negligent ISKCON GBC, more than ever!
Robert Grant [Ramesvara Das] shared a link.
Pratyatosa Das Whether a temple is called "Bharati Center" or some version of "ISKCON" makes no legal difference. Every temple was supposed to be separately incorporated even way back in 1975. This means that they are all supposed to have different legal names. This was Srila Prabhupada's instruction. For example, when I was temple treasurer at ISKCON Boston in 1975-76, we were "ISKCON of New England, Inc." This is why ISKCON Boston had no liability during the Robin George or Turley $multi-million lawsuits.
The trouble is, many temples had failed to separately incorporate like they were supposed to. Therefore, when one temple got sued, many were liable.
Prabhupada's idea is for ISKCON to be run based upon love and trust, not like a dictatorship! How many people still trust the GBC after all of the crazy things they have done, such as selling the 55th Street temple or letting hundreds of helpless children, put in their care by well-meaning parents, get sexually molested/raped?
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Here is a message for all who care about the welfare of Sri Sri Radha and Govinda in Brooklyn and all their eternal servants who are living in the New York city area. This is from our friend Madhumangala Das.
"More insanity is on display at The Iskcon NY Sri Sri Radha Govinda Mandir. Today Ramabhadra das decided to remove the sign from the temple that has hung on the front of the Temple since the 90's proclaiming that the temple was an ISKCON Center. Sri Sri Radha Govinda are being held hostage by Ramabhadra das and his wife Satya dasi. This is absolutely shameful.
Why should the devotee congregation be refused darshan of the deities?
Why is it that all of this is taking place while the GBC for NY, Romapada Swami, is residing within Srila Prabhupada’s ISKCON Temple?
After all, the GBC goes to great lengths to impress upon all that they are the ultimate managing authority of ISKCON. All devotees everywhere should know that Romapada Maharaj and Ramabhadra das conspired to lie to the ISKCON World GBC. They have had a contract to sell ISKCON's Brooklyn temple in place for some time before boldly declaring to the GBC Body in Mayapur that there was no pending sale.
Romapada Swami has decided to jump ship and throw Ramabhadra das to the wolves when he was threatened with losing his position of guru and gbc within ISKCON if he didn't abandon the sale of the Temple.
There is a Judas in Brooklyn...
Romapada Swami should now be stripped of all position as a leader in ISKCON, since he has managed to lose control of 2 of Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON Temples (Freeport NY being the other) under his GBC watch. He failed to take appropriate action last week and has allowed Ramabhadra das to keep the doors locked to the Temple for the past 8 days. This is absolutely insane.
When will the GBC show that they are actually capable of protecting Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON society from men who continually use the assets of Iskcon to line their own pockets?
When will the GBCs force Romapada Swami to show how he purchased 2 buildings in Brooklyn, on MacDougal street, under the name 'ISKCON of Manhattan' and where these funds came from?
Any devotees that are on the inside of the Brooklyn Temple and who support these 2 men should really question who they're actually loyal to, Srila Prabhupada or these two?
Ramabhadra das's actions over the past 2 weeks have proven that he is a rogue. These actions have also proven that he has a vested interest in selling the Temple for 60 million dollars.
IT SHOULD ALSO BE NOTED THAT HE CARES NOTHING ABOUT ALL OF THE DEVOTEES THAT HOLD RADHA GOVINDA DEAR TO THEIR HEARTS, AS HE HAS SINGLEHANDEDLY PREVENTED EVERY CONGREGATIONAL MEMBER THAT ISN'T PART OF HIS LITTLE BAND OF CRONIES FROM ENTERING RADHA GOVINDA MANDIR.
DON'T DONATE ANOTHER PENNY TO THIS MAN AS HE ISN'T BEHAVING LIKE A SERVANT OF THE NY CONGREGATION...
If Radha Govinda Mandir isn't an Iskcon Temple then why was there a sign proclaiming that it was for more than 30 yrs?
And why have both Ramabhadra das and Romapada Swami been accepting donation checks made out to ISKCON for 3 decades as well?
How much of Iskcons money will Ramabhadra das waste on lawyers and court cases to ensure that he can sell the temple even though there is overwhelming disdain and disapproval on the part of the congregation regarding the Temple sale? "
"Enough is Enough."
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Do you think Ramabhadra, and the other ISKCON temple presidents, have forgotten this infamous case of GBC abuse of power in which they took the law into their own hands? Such criminal activity might have been possible in India, but they're not going to get away with it in the USA!
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These are all asuras.
Ramabhadra wanted to sell the old temple and make a financial empire of restaurants apartments and gift shops in Queens.
Srila Prabhupada stood under a tree in the park and chanted Hare Krishna, starting over from scratch from the derailment of his spiritual masters organization.
I recommend everyone follow Srila Prabhupada's example.
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Interesting! The following was posted on ISKCON Brooklyn Temple Sale a couple of days ago and then almost immediately deleted (Has Romapada Swami gotten senile, gone insane, or what?):
MISINFORMATION OR BLATANT DISHONESTY?
There has been a rash of misinformation presented to the devotee community as well as to the GBC regarding the sale of Radha Govinda Mandir. It is important to note that a lot of this deception has come not just from Ramabhadra prabhu but from Romapada Maharaj as well. Shouldn't ISKCON leaders be held to the highest standards of honesty?
First the temple was contracted for sale on the 15th of August, 2014 without the knowledge of the GBC. Then on April 16, 2015 the original contract for sale was revised (quite possibly for more money) with the approval of both the buyer and Romapada Swami and Ramabhadra prabhu. Shortly thereafter it was brought to the attention of Jayadvaita Maharaj that there was a sale contract in place.
This was later confirmed by the real estate listing for the temple being no longer be available. Romapada Swami and Ramabhadra Prabhu explained the listing as simply being an exploratory venture to gauge the current value of the temple property. This however was not the truth. The listing disappeared because a contract to sell had been signed.
Upon the GBC becoming aware of the contract to sell Romapada Maharaj and Ramabhadra prabhu said there would be multi million dollar penalties if they didn't honor the contract. Once investigated, this was deemed to be another deception as there are no legal penalties although they could have appeared in the contract sale language. This wasn't the case upon examination of the sale contract as no such wording was present.
Real estate laws regarding churches and other religious buildings is a bit different than normal real estate law, meaning the same rules don't always apply. As can be clearly seen the temple was in contract for sale without the GBC approval. Ramabhadra and Romapada Maharaja tried to conceal this with great vigor. Yet somehow Sri Sri Radha Govinda found a way to expose their deceptive and defiant actions.
The GBC has held 3 votes over the past couple of years and have denied permission to sell the temple. In March there was a closed door meeting of the Bharati Center board. They held a vote once again determining to sell the temple against the wishes of the GBC. At the time of this vote Romapada Swami was the chairman of the Bharati Center board, this is of major importance because, as per Bharati Center bylaws, if there is one vote not to sell, the sale must be vacated.
Strangely enough is the fact that Romapada Maharaj voted to continue with the sale. Yet later he claimed he didn't have all of the needed information to vote against the sale although he could have used ISKCON's in-house attorney to better understand everything. Maharaja always seems to have an excuse for the unexplainable.
Even more bewildering is the fact that Romapada Swami later wrote a letter to the NY Attorney General's office stating that he was against the sale. Why would he have voted, as a board, to proceed with the sale and then protested to the state against the sale?
The next question naturally is how are so many devotees being banned from entering the temple because of being opposed to the temple sale yet Romapada Swami is allowed to reside in the temple? None of this makes any sense!
As I noted previously, I asked Ramabhadra, on the evening of Janmastami, why I was being refused entry to the temple. I also posed this to his security team. I must say that if they are to be a line of defense I wouldn't want them defending me. What was most noteworthy was nobody, including Ramabhadra, could give me an answer as to why I or others had been refused entry. It seems that they have been coached on how to respond by Ramabhadra's lawyer, which is to give no response.
By the letter of the law, Ramabhadra, as the temple president, does have the power to ban devotees. Yet when reviewed by the state, this action is viewed as an abuse of power!
Your servant,
Madhumangala das
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"TOPMOST URGENCY" FROM ŚRĪLA PRABHUPĀDA
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The mentalities of Romapada & Ramabhadra of banning devotees who challenge their twisted plans has merely been expanded by banning practically the entire devotee community. The pathology of "stealing" the temple and the resources of the temple, merely because of a name change years ago that was approved by a GBC Romapada who is complicit in all of this is "criminal".
Why is the legal team employed by the GBC not pursuing criminal actions against them? Their bank accounts need to be frozen and subpoena to review their finances, including all on the bogus temple board should be done. If their finances have been hidden and come to light later, there should be an open ended inquiry into the funds, how they were obtained, and in whose name are they being held. If funds have been used to purchase other real estate with the money, a serious question in the case of Romapada, the souces of those funds need to be ascertained. The issue of embezzlement over many years, if not decades, is relevant.
Inaction is not an option, and the inaction of the greater ISKCON management has allowed this situation to occur. Now they have the responsibility to make this right. The dealings of Ramabhadra and Romapada have demonstrated that they are incapable and more importantly unwilling to yield to the efforts by the GBC to correct the situation.
What twisted efforts are these two and their co-conspirators doing to further their plan?
Pusta Krishna das
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https://www.facebook.com/brooklyntemplesale/posts/154822035099696
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“ISKCON” SCRUBBED FROM ISKCON BROOKLYN TEMPLE WEBSITE
Within the past week or so, nearly every reference to ISKCON has been scrubbed from the website of what for thirty-five years has been the ISKCON Brooklyn temple.
The site had earlier announced the temple to be the “ISKCON Hare Krishna Temple.” Now it’s just the “Hare Krishna Temple,” minus “ISKCON.” And where we used to see “ISKCON New York,” now it’s “Sri Sri Radha Govinda Mandir, New York.” The site is www.radhagovindanyc.com.
Under “Hare Krishna Temple,” Śrīla Prabhupāda is still mentioned as the “Founder-Acharya,” but no longer as “Founder-Acharya of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness.”
Earlier, on July 30, the temple managers had had the “ISKCON” sign stripped from the face of the building.
Śrīla Prabhupāda, in June 1977, wrote in his last will:
The Governing Body Commission (GBC) will be the ultimate managing authority of the entire International Society for Krishna Consciousness.
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2. Each temple will be an ISKCON property . . .
Earlier, on July 22, 1974, Śrīla Prabhupāda had sent a letter, marked “TOPMOST URGENCY,” to all ISKCON centers, in which he directed that his name and title “must appear on all documents, letterheads, publications, and buildings of the Society.” He specified his title, of course, as “Founder-Acharya of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness.” At the time, Śrīla Prabhupāda was staying at the ISKCON temple on Henry Street in Brooklyn.
Śrīla Prabhupāda never called himself the Founder-Acharya of the Radha-Govinda Mandir or any other temple, as if those were independent free-standing units. The title on which he always insisted was “Founder-Acharya of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness” -- the whole Society.
Śrīla Prabhupāda wrote his “Topmost Urgency” message after a disciple, Gaurasundara Dasa, had without authority sold the ISKCON temple in Honolulu. On September 5, 1974, Śrīla Prabhupāda, with that offense still in mind, wrote to the GBC member in New York:
“[W]e are now expanding and so our interests should be carefully guarded. Certainly the 12 GBC members [the number in 1974] are being trained up strictly under my guidance so that they will protect the interest of the [S]ociety very, very carefully. All our property should be well protected, and I think in every document my name as Founder-Ac[h]arya should be mentioned. Special care should be taken that no property can be sold or mortgaged by local managers as was done by Gaurasundara. This is my only concern.
Once again, history has shown that Śrīla Prabhupāda’s concerns were right on target.
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Who wants to follow a GBC that, at best, allowed hundreds of helpless Hare Krishna children get sexually molested/raped right under their noses, and then tried to cover it up by, for one thing, attacking the victims/messengers?
Who wants to follow a GBC that, at worst, poisoned Srila Prabhupada? (In order to become "gurus like Prabhupada" sooner rather than later/never!)
Who wants to follow a GBC that, at best, allowed Srila Prabhupada to be poisoned right under their noses, and then tried to cover it up by, for one thing, attacking the messengers? (And then provided a motive by trying to become "gurus like Prabhupada!")
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He said, "No, it was NECTAR. Bringing the milk for Radha Govinda was pure bliss."
That was the mood of following the order of the spiritual master in our day.
Unfortunately, nowadays, nobody takes the time, nor the trouble to even begin looking how to implement Prabhuapda's order. What to speak of driving over 12 hours on a regular basis to bring goshalla milk to the Deities and devotees in New York temple!
New York is a huge city with not a farm in sight. But devotees didn't mind driving all day to bring back protected cow milk for Radha Govinda. After Bhaktivinoda went on book distribution, Vaikunthadeva drove the more than 12 hours to bring the milk to Radha Govinda, and he told me it was "pretty blissful."
Yes devotional service to God is blissful.
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For immediate release
December 9, 2017
Contact: Jayadvaita Swami
Brooklyn: Ramabhadra Dasa sues in Court to have temple sale approved. Attorney General’s Office asks Court to reject the deal.
A Brooklyn courtroom was filled with Krishna devotees this past
Wednesday for a hearing on a petition asking the Court to allow the
Brooklyn Hare Krishna temple to be sold. The petition was filed by
Ramabhadra Dsa, the former president of ISKCON Brooklyn. New York
Assistant Attorney General Abigail Young appeared in court to oppose the
petition, as did attorneys for the ISKCON GBC, for a renewed,
GBC-supported temple board, and for members of the congregation.
For the sale of a place of worship, the State of New York requires Court approval. Typically, the seller first seeks approval from the State’s Office of the Attorney General (OAG). If the OAG approves, the Court it likely to approve as well.
But on September 26 the OAG notified Ramabhadra that after nearly two years of back and forth, it had declined, once and for all, his request for OAG approval. If you want to pursue the sale, the OAG told him, you will have to take your request to the Court.
That is what Ramabhadra chose to do. In late October
he filed his petition with the Court, asking approval for the proposed
sale.
On Wednesday the attorneys for the GBC and for members of the
congregation filed with the Court their responses, outlining their many
reasons why permission for the sale should be denied.
Some fifty or more New York devotees packed into the courtroom to show support for keeping the temple in its present location. Advocating the sale, only four now-removed members of the temple board showed up: Ramabhadra Dasa, Adi Deva Dasa, and their wives. (They were accompanied by two lawyers.)
The GBC, at its midterm meeting in October in Ujjain, India, had reaffirmed Ramabhadra’s removal as temple president and had also removed him and all but two members from the temple’s board of directors. The GBC authorized the Brooklyn Temple Sale Committee (BTSC) to fill the vacant slots and make any other adjustments needed.
The board members kept were Satya Devi Dasi and Adi Deva Dasa. “They had served on the board for many years,” said Sesa Dasa, chairman of the BTSC, “so we wanted to give them a chance to cooperate and continue.” But when the first meeting of the renewed board was held and neither Satya or Adi Deva (although invited) chose to appear, the board appointed two new board members to replace them.
The new chairman of
the board is Vaisesika Dasa. Pyari Mohana Dasa, the regional secretary
for New England, is also a board member. Both are disciples of Srila
Prabhupada. All the other members of the renewed board are local
devotees from the Radha Govinda congregation.
At the court hearing,
the devotees present didn’t see much legal action. Ramabhadra’s lawyers
asked for--and received--a “continuance,” or postponement, of the
hearings to have time to study the GBC’s objections. A new court date
was set: January 31.
But, most significant, in the Court proceedings on Wednesday the OAG filed its own objections to the proposed sale. The OAG detailed several grounds on which Ramabhadra’s plan had failed to prove persuasive. In fact, the OAG observed that Ramabhadra didn’t have much of a plan at all. The OAG therefore asked the Court to turn the petition down.
On behalf of the OAG, the Assistant Attorney General wrote, “[It] is unusual in a transaction of this nature involving a sale of a large and active religious corporation not to set forth a clear plan to move religious artifacts and establish a transitional house of worship as well as clear outlines for the development of a permanent new house of worship with proceeds. We would ask that the Court reject the Petition until Petitioner can provide such a plan approved by all internal bodies.”
The OAG’s reference to “all internal bodies” also appears significant. The Hare Krishna movement’s ultimate internal body, the GBC, has clearly declared its disapproval of selling the Brooklyn RadhaGovinda temple.
With the GBC, the OAG, and a majority of the congregation standing firmly opposed to the sale, the chances of Ramabhadra’s winning Court approval seem poor.
And so one member of the congregation said, “I’d say to Ramabhadra Prabhu and his people: If you really love Radha Govinda, don’t waste Their money on a hopeless dream. Let’s cooperate and serve Them together in ISKCON.”
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Not only do the GBC men want to exploit Radha-Govinda by having a free place to stay in NYC, without giving very much in return, but they also sent most of the proceeds of the sale of the 55th Street temple outside of NYC!
The GBC squandered some of that money by sending it to the grossly mismanaged Gita-nagari farm in Pennsylvania!
They squandered some more of it by buying property for a "gurukula" school at Lake Huntington, NY, where dozens of helpless children were sexually molested/raped! A school which was then forced to close down! (Did Radha-Govinda ever get any of that poorly invested money back?)
They also used some of that money to purchase a big house in New Jersey which wasn't even zoned to be a place of public worship! (Besides, why should the hard earned dollars of the New York City devotees, money that they willingly gave to the lotus feet of Radha-Govinda, be used to start a temple in NJ?)
At the same time, the GBC left Radha-Govinda high and dry, with almost nothing!
Therefore, IMHO, Radha-Govinda does not like the GBC very much, and will continue to ostracize them unless the GBC agrees to pay $millions for renovations or for a temporary arrangement for Radha-Govinda while a new building is built!
Also, the GBC should, IMHO, be made to agree to pay Radha-Govinda top dollar each time a GBC man visits NYC and stays at Their Mandir!
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Pratyatosa Das Traditionally, the GBC has been a thorn in the sides of Radha-Govinda! Please let me explain:
Not only do the GBC men want to exploit Radha-Govinda by having a free place to stay in NYC, without giving very much in return, but they also sent most of the proceeds of the sale of the 55th Street temple outside of NYC!
The GBC squandered some of that money by sending it to the grossly mismanaged Gita-nagari farm in Pennsylvania!
They squandered some more of it by buying property for a "gurukula" school at Lake Huntington, NY, where dozens of helpless children were sexually molested/raped! A school which was then forced to close down! (Did Radha-Govinda ever get any of that poorly invested money back?)
They also used some of that money to purchase a big house in New Jersey which wasn't even zoned to be a place of public worship! (Besides, why should the hard earned dollars of the New York City devotees, money that they willingly gave to the lotus feet of Radha-Govinda, be used to start a temple in NJ?)
Therefore, IMHO, Radha-Govinda does not like the GBC very much, and will continue to ostracize them unless they agree to pay $millions for renovations or for a temporary arrangement for Radha-Govinda, while a new building is built!
Also, the GBC should, IMHO, be made to agree to pay Radha-Govinda top dollar each time a GBC man visits NYC and stays at Their Mandir!
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Hare Kṛṣṇa, Siladitya Deets Larson, please address your question directly to Romapada Swami.
Romapada Maharaja, what is your answer?
Siladitya Deets Larson: Can someone please tell my what Romapada Swami's position is in all this?
ISKCON Brooklyn Temple Sale:
Hare Kṛṣṇa, Siladitya Deets Larson, please address your question directly to Romapada Swami.
Let's see how long they allow the following post to remain:
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seems the TP may have good reason to not remain part of Iskcon?
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> seems the TP may have good reason to not remain part of Iskcon?
Prabhupada's property. He's already removed ISKCON Founder Acarya. New
Vrindaban practically became extinct when it was outside of ISKCON. Only
after returning was it able to rebound and begin to flourish again. I
don't see anything different happening in NYC.
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Kirtananda's 2 top lieutenants
Radhanatha
and Devamrita
are now the TOP gurus in Iskcon
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"Absconding with Srila Prabhupada's property." What a ridiculous thing to say! Besides the fact that the lifelong servants of Radha-Govinda naturally know the best way to serve Them, there is a board of directors. No one can act independently. Also, there are laws. If anyone takes the assets of a non-profit corporation for their own personal use, then they would be breaking the law, and would be, therefore, subject to arrest, conviction, fines, and jail time!
Now, IMHO, the GBC is going to have to, in order to get back in the good graces of Radha-Govinda, return all of the $millions that they stole from Them, with interest! The GBC, IMHO, doesn't stand a chance unless they come up with the money to completely renovate the existing property. The GBC's only recourse, IMHO, is to stop being a huge liability to Radha-Govinda, like they always have been in the past, and to make themselves, from now on, an asset to Radha-Govinda!
Kirtananda's 2 top lieutenants
Radhanathaand Devamrita
are now the TOP gurus in Iskcon
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if anyone takes the assets of a non-profit corporation for their own personal use,That accusation is certainly not being made!
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