[Prabhupadanuga] Gaura Nitai relieves offenses to Radha-Krsna??
17 views
Skip to first unread message
mark
Apr 27, 2010, 1:03:24 PM4/27/10
to Prabhupadanuga
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada
Gaura Kesava das said...
QUOTE "Obviously you are not a pujari or know much about deity
worship. You commit offenses in deity seva and to get relief from
them you continue to do deity seva. By worshiping Gaura Nitai all
your offenses even those to Radha Krsna will be relieved." ENDQUOTE
This 3rd sentence is not directly backed up by anything Srila
Prabhupada has said or written. But using triangulation with other
truths one can see how it contains truth as well.
However, in the context of the discussion wherein GKD spoke these
words, we were dealing with the track record of repeat offenses of
certain devotees who are wishing to move to a standard of Deity
worship higher than the standard of Gaura Nitai worship, before being
prepared to maintain that standard. It may or may not be like
continuing nama-aparadha thinking that chanting the holy name will
nullify the reactions. That depends on how aware these devotees are
of their passionate haste to jump to a standard of worship for all the
wrong reasons. It could be a result of a innocent naivete or a strong
selfish motivation. But either way, Sri Sri Gaura Nitai WILL relieve
the situation.
The mechanism by which the Supreme Lord relieves us of our offenses is
quite simple. He tells us what the offenses are in a list. We watch
for when we create an offense that was listed. When we catch ourself,
we choose to arrange our life so that offense is not repeated.
If we choose that way, we only were able to because it was the Lord's
mercy relieving us of that particular type of offense.
If we instead choose to continue to offend without self-correction,
how will the Lord Relieve us? He will not just ignore or "nullify"
the offense, because that would not help us get closer to loving him.
He will bring it to our attention over and over again, in more obvious
and gross ways, until we can understand that we MUST choose to act
differently to avoid the offense.
So this thought that if one is unqualified by circumstances to worship
Sri Sri Radha-Krsna Vigraha, one may install them anyway and place
Gaura Nitai on the altar and they will relieve us of the offenses is
true. Even if you can't possibly avoid certain offenses due to
circumstances, and will commit them over and over, Gaura Nitai have a
program to relieve you of even that.
What it is, I cannot say exactly, but only warn, be careful what you
wish for. Purposefully going into an offensive situation involving
Sri Sri Radha Krsna and invoking some immunity from prosecution from
Gaura-Nitai will force them to deal with equal measures to correct
such a wrongheaded and motivated approach.
Better just worship Gaura Nitai and wait until theygradually relieve
you of offenses enough to bring one's circumstances up to standard to
match those that will accomodate worship of Sri Sri Radha-Krsna or
Lord Jaganatha, or any Deities that require a greater level of
advancement and cooperation for the basic standard. Why offend if YOU
DON"T HAVE TO ?
Hare Krsna
--
You have received this email message because you are a member of the Google Prabhupadanuga group.
To post to our group for all the world to see, please send an email to:
istag...@googlegroups.com
Getting too many emails? Please go to:
http://groups.google.com/group/istagosthi/subscribe
... and change your email settings, or request Pratyatosa Dasa (praty...@gmail.com) to change your settings for you.
For more options, please go to:
http://groups.google.com/group/istagosthi
To cancel your membership, please send an email to:
istagosthi+...@googlegroups.com
Gaura Kesava das said...
QUOTE "Obviously you are not a pujari or know much about deity
worship. You commit offenses in deity seva and to get relief from
them you continue to do deity seva. By worshiping Gaura Nitai all
your offenses even those to Radha Krsna will be relieved." ENDQUOTE
This 3rd sentence is not directly backed up by anything Srila
Prabhupada has said or written. But using triangulation with other
truths one can see how it contains truth as well.
However, in the context of the discussion wherein GKD spoke these
words, we were dealing with the track record of repeat offenses of
certain devotees who are wishing to move to a standard of Deity
worship higher than the standard of Gaura Nitai worship, before being
prepared to maintain that standard. It may or may not be like
continuing nama-aparadha thinking that chanting the holy name will
nullify the reactions. That depends on how aware these devotees are
of their passionate haste to jump to a standard of worship for all the
wrong reasons. It could be a result of a innocent naivete or a strong
selfish motivation. But either way, Sri Sri Gaura Nitai WILL relieve
the situation.
The mechanism by which the Supreme Lord relieves us of our offenses is
quite simple. He tells us what the offenses are in a list. We watch
for when we create an offense that was listed. When we catch ourself,
we choose to arrange our life so that offense is not repeated.
If we choose that way, we only were able to because it was the Lord's
mercy relieving us of that particular type of offense.
If we instead choose to continue to offend without self-correction,
how will the Lord Relieve us? He will not just ignore or "nullify"
the offense, because that would not help us get closer to loving him.
He will bring it to our attention over and over again, in more obvious
and gross ways, until we can understand that we MUST choose to act
differently to avoid the offense.
So this thought that if one is unqualified by circumstances to worship
Sri Sri Radha-Krsna Vigraha, one may install them anyway and place
Gaura Nitai on the altar and they will relieve us of the offenses is
true. Even if you can't possibly avoid certain offenses due to
circumstances, and will commit them over and over, Gaura Nitai have a
program to relieve you of even that.
What it is, I cannot say exactly, but only warn, be careful what you
wish for. Purposefully going into an offensive situation involving
Sri Sri Radha Krsna and invoking some immunity from prosecution from
Gaura-Nitai will force them to deal with equal measures to correct
such a wrongheaded and motivated approach.
Better just worship Gaura Nitai and wait until theygradually relieve
you of offenses enough to bring one's circumstances up to standard to
match those that will accomodate worship of Sri Sri Radha-Krsna or
Lord Jaganatha, or any Deities that require a greater level of
advancement and cooperation for the basic standard. Why offend if YOU
DON"T HAVE TO ?
Hare Krsna
--
You have received this email message because you are a member of the Google Prabhupadanuga group.
To post to our group for all the world to see, please send an email to:
istag...@googlegroups.com
Getting too many emails? Please go to:
http://groups.google.com/group/istagosthi/subscribe
... and change your email settings, or request Pratyatosa Dasa (praty...@gmail.com) to change your settings for you.
For more options, please go to:
http://groups.google.com/group/istagosthi
To cancel your membership, please send an email to:
istagosthi+...@googlegroups.com
Bhaktatraveler
Apr 27, 2010, 7:32:26 PM4/27/10
to istag...@googlegroups.com
Ok I'll bite.
Could you give the sine, cosine or tangent you got this triangulation from. LOL. I do not contest it necessarily, but would like to know your root vani and how you got here with this post. Poops and laughing!
Hare Krsna
RCB
From: mark <markm...@yahoo.com>
To: Prabhupadanuga <istag...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 1:03:24 PM
Subject: [Prabhupadanuga] Gaura Nitai relieves offenses to Radha-Krsna??
istagosthi+unsub...@googlegroups.com
mark
Apr 27, 2010, 7:50:04 PM4/27/10
to Prabhupadanuga
The truth is Prabhu, it is a real stretch and I was being overly
generous maybe.
I don't actually know which form, technically, the Lord uses to
relieve his devotees of their seva offenses.
Of course my definition of relief is to help one see their offense and
choose otherwise. There is a common misconception that relief means
one can just keep doing repeating the offense and the Lord looks the
other way and lets you come home Back to Godhead even if that is
something you don't want enough to stop being offensive of your own
volition !!
So, under my definition of how the Lord relieves us of offenses, I
made the connection that if a person is worshipping Gaura Nitai
Vigraha, that eventually Gaura Nitai will find a way to relieve one of
all offenses to their worship, or the worship of any of their OTHER
FORMS we might be engaging in offensively while worshipping them. It
could be very tough love I might add....
Very general, very broad, but I think it is true. Trying to give a
little smidgen of credit to set up a debate.
What do you think?
ys
B.Mark
On Apr 27, 7:32 pm, Bhaktatraveler <bhaktatrave...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ok I'll bite.
>
> Could you give the sine, cosine or tangent you got this triangulation from. LOL. I do not contest it necessarily, but would like to know your root vani and how you got here with this post. Poops and laughing!
>
> Hare Krsna
>
> RCB
>
> ________________________________
> From: mark <markmac...@yahoo.com>
> ... and change your email settings, or request Pratyatosa Dasa (pratyat...@gmail.com) to change your settings for you.
generous maybe.
I don't actually know which form, technically, the Lord uses to
relieve his devotees of their seva offenses.
Of course my definition of relief is to help one see their offense and
choose otherwise. There is a common misconception that relief means
one can just keep doing repeating the offense and the Lord looks the
other way and lets you come home Back to Godhead even if that is
something you don't want enough to stop being offensive of your own
volition !!
So, under my definition of how the Lord relieves us of offenses, I
made the connection that if a person is worshipping Gaura Nitai
Vigraha, that eventually Gaura Nitai will find a way to relieve one of
all offenses to their worship, or the worship of any of their OTHER
FORMS we might be engaging in offensively while worshipping them. It
could be very tough love I might add....
Very general, very broad, but I think it is true. Trying to give a
little smidgen of credit to set up a debate.
What do you think?
ys
B.Mark
On Apr 27, 7:32 pm, Bhaktatraveler <bhaktatrave...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ok I'll bite.
>
> Could you give the sine, cosine or tangent you got this triangulation from. LOL. I do not contest it necessarily, but would like to know your root vani and how you got here with this post. Poops and laughing!
>
> Hare Krsna
>
> RCB
>
> ________________________________
>
> For more options, please go to:http://groups.google.com/group/istagosthi
>
> To cancel your membership, please send an email to:
> istagosthi+...@googlegroups.com
>
> For more options, please go to:http://groups.google.com/group/istagosthi
>
> To cancel your membership, please send an email to:
> istagosthi+...@googlegroups.com
>
> --
> You have received this email message because you are a member of the Google Prabhupadanuga group.
>
> To post to our group for all the world to see, please send an email to:
> istag...@googlegroups.com
>
> Getting too many emails? Please go to:http://groups.google.com/group/istagosthi/subscribe
> ... and change your email settings, or request Pratyatosa Dasa (pratyat...@gmail.com) to change your settings for you.
> You have received this email message because you are a member of the Google Prabhupadanuga group.
>
> To post to our group for all the world to see, please send an email to:
> istag...@googlegroups.com
>
> Getting too many emails? Please go to:http://groups.google.com/group/istagosthi/subscribe
Reply all
Reply to author
Forward
0 new messages