New York Supreme Court Sides with GBC against Long Island Temple

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Pratyatosa

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Oct 9, 2017, 3:55:37 AM10/9/17
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From: <https://iskconnews.org/new-york-supreme-court-declares-historic-decision-in-favor-of-hare-krishna-movement,6310>:

New York Supreme Court Declares Historic Decision in favor of Hare Krishna Movement

By: ISKCON Communications Ministry for ISKCON News on Oct. 8, 2017
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A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami's will signed on June 5th, 1977, was one of the main supporting documents in the case. 

 New York Supreme Court Justice Randi Sue Marber in her October 2 decision agreed with Hare Krishna Movement leadership and recognized the legal status of this ancient religious tradition and the hierarchical governance structure of International Society for Krishna Consciousness (ISKCON).

ISKCON Founder-Acarya Srila A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada began his mission in New York City in 1966 with a single New York State religious corporation, but as the Hare Krishna Movement expanded around the globe, Srila Prabhupada made provision for management of the worldwide movement.

Justice Marber found “…in 1970, the Founder created a governing board, the GBC (Governing Body Commission). He created a document entitled ‘Direction of Management’ which listed the various Temples he founded, established the GBC, and selected the GBC members that were to succeed him in managing ISKCON...The GBC was vested with the authority to oversee all operations and management of ISKCON.”

Justice Marber, in examining Srila Prabhupada’s will, ruled on the hierarchical nature of ISKCON worldwide … “the Founder also established a Trust in the second Article of his Will which declared that each ISKCON temple would be held for the benefit of the ISKCON Society at large. The language of the Trust provision specifies that the GBC would continue to manage the ISKCON Society in perpetuity.”

The case began in 2004 in Freeport, New York, when persons from outside Long Island, through deception and subterfuge, took control of the Long Island ISKCON Temple board of trustees. Those persons opposed GBC authority and taught a philosophical system called ritvik, which the GBC declared a deviation from traditional Hare Krishna, or Vaishnava Hindu teachings. After attempts to mediate the dispute failed, a lawsuit was filed.

“This historic decision legally recognizes an essential religious practice followed in ISKCON today, the system of guru parampara, or disciplic succession, as prescribed in the Bhagavad-gita, the core Sanskrit scripture of the Hare Krishna Movement,” said Adarsi Das, co-plaintiff and ISKCON Inc. trustee. “It also validates the GBC as the sole authority to define and control membership within the Movement.”

Senior ISKCON members and other academics flew in from around the world to testify to the history and governance of ISKCON and the court pored over thousands of pages of supporting documents.

In addition to recognizing the GBC as the highest ecclesiastical authority of ISKCON, Justice Marber held that the resolutions of the GBC are binding on New York Courts regarding internal religious decisions: “the Court shall defer to the resolutions passed by the Plaintiff, GBC, concerning the Defendants….as such are binding on this Court.” She stated, “In 1990, the GBC passed a Resolution finding that the Ritvik philosophy was a ‘dangerous philosophical deviation’ from ISKCON practice, condemned its practice, and outlawed Ritvik practice from ISKCON and the Society at large.”

The Court ruled in favor of the GBC on every issue, with the exception of one procedural request, and granted a court order giving the GBC all the relief sought, including immediate of eviction of the defendants.

rainer hahn

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Oct 10, 2017, 12:42:58 PM10/10/17
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What to expect, the Ritviks could not convince 95,000 new ISKCON disciples. Of course, GBC has all the buildings and infrastructure of a global movement, but the main point surely is that ritviks could not demonstrate unity. Present new generation of ISKCON devotees see the ritviks as proof that their decision of choosing an ISKCON guru was correct, they point a finger.  However, they do not preach strongly against ritviks, after all, when having appointed 45 failing diksa-gurus one question is still unresolved — do ISKCON leaders really know what is a guru or is it still a guess, groping in the dark?

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Pratyatosa

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Oct 11, 2017, 5:19:02 AM10/11/17
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It's typical of iskconnews.org to not tell the whole story. For example, they completely ignore the obvious question: Will the decision be appealed?

Melanie Nagel

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Oct 11, 2017, 10:51:40 AM10/11/17
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Question no ignored. That’s up to the “other side” to initiate and so far, they’ve not filed.

Pratyatosa

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Oct 11, 2017, 11:16:21 AM10/11/17
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The <https://iskconnews.org/new-york-supreme-court-declares-historic-decision-in-favor-of-hare-krishna-movement,6310> article also fails to mention why the LI temple left ISKCON in the first place: The GBC does not allow Srila Prabhupada's crystal-clear "ritvik henceforward" order to be carried out! I'm surprised that the stupid judge couldn't understand this.

The article could have said, "So far the Ritviks have not appealed," but it doesn't. In fact, the article doesn't even once mention the word, "ritvik," even though this is what the court case is all about.


On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 9:51 AM, 'Melanie Nagel' via Prabhupadanuga <istag...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Question not ignored. That’s up to the “other side” to initiate and so far, they’ve not filed.

rainer hahn

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Oct 11, 2017, 2:21:12 PM10/11/17
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Courts often refer to the judgment of a similar case at another court —   quote a precedent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precedent).
 For example, India's  High Court completely factored out religious differences and simply identified legal position concerning the property.  Of course in Bangalore although they could have done it,  ISKCON Mumbai did not apply for an action of eviction, have Madhu Pandit and his group removed from ISKCON property. What will happen in LI might be rather a different case.....? 
 

Pratyatosa

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Oct 11, 2017, 3:05:41 PM10/11/17
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"Ritvik henceforward" has nothing to do with "religious differences." It was simply a management decision that Srila Prabhupada made after intense meditation upon the subject. He made that decision out of his mercy upon his disciples and his concern for the future of ISKCON. He clearly stated that having more than one initiating guru within ISKCON would create factions! He clearly admired the Christian system of Lord Jesus Christ being the only guru and being represented by priests and ministers. This type of system has resulted in the largest religion in the world for hundreds of years! Obviously, it works!

But, even though Prabhupada directly contradicted this "you must have a living guru" idea, according to the (clearly bogus) GBC, the Christian system is not bonafide because of this silly idea! Therefore, all that the LI temple has to do to win is to appeal the decision to a Christian judge and to strongly make this point!

Pratyatosa

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Oct 14, 2017, 7:53:21 AM10/14/17
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Pita Dasa
Pita Dasa: The history is that the temple president Romapada mortgaged the [Long Island] temple and took the funds and ran off. Romapada thus decided to give the building to the bank. The Indian community agreed to save the day to keep the temple but wanted nothing to do with the ISKCON GBC, so Madhu Pandit associate Nimai Pandit took over the temple.
 
Romapada sued them and lost the case. Then he appealed and used more money doing so than the cost of the building! A win for ISKCON Brooklyn, but another insane history for Romapada!

(<https://www.facebook.com/chandrashekhara.swami/posts/10214457397819519>)

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Pratyatosa <praty...@gmail.com> wrote:
"Ritvik henceforward" has nothing to do with "religious differences." It was simply a management decision that Srila Prabhupada made after intense meditation upon the subject. He made that decision out of his mercy upon his disciples and his concern for the future of ISKCON. He clearly stated that having more than one initiating guru within ISKCON would cause factions! He clearly admired the Christian system of Lord Jesus Christ being the only guru and being represented by priests and ministers. This system is similar to the Muslim system of having Mohammad as the only guru. This type of system has resulted in the two largest religions in the world! Obviously, it works!


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rainer hahn

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Oct 15, 2017, 7:39:46 AM10/15/17
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Mortgaging temples should be traced out because it is a loophole for using NGO properties to create private property. 

Pratyatosa

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Oct 15, 2017, 7:59:45 AM10/15/17
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Pratyatosa Das
Pratyatosa Das: North Vietnam went communist. Therefore, the US was forced into fighting a war that could not be won out of fear of the "domino effect." Similarly, ISKCON Long Island went ritvik. Therefore the GBC was forced to fight a costly war in the courts due to fear of other temples following suit!

My question is, "How is the GBC going to maintain the LI temple if the local congregation doesn't like the GBC?" My experience is that everything the ISKCON "gurus" take control of in the US, when it comes to restaurants and gurukulas at least, immediately get a very bad reputation and are forced to close. Temples are a little different because Indians tend to support the Deities no matter what, but time will tell whether or not the ISKCON LI case may be an exception. For one thing, the local Indian congregation on LI are not going to be fooled by bogus ISKCON gurus!
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