HH Visnujana Swami's Departure in Prayag

[Gauridasa Pandita]

HH Visnujana Swami's Departure in Prayag Visnujana Swami's disappearance from this material world was due to a misunderstanding. He thought he was following the order of the spiritual master. He didn't hear the whole instruction!  Visnujana Maharaja was a very advanced sannyasi , and he enlivened everyone everywhere he went with his humility, love and devotion.  So many people were inspired by him and became new or better devotees. I was fortunate enough to spend my first year in Krsna Consciouness with him in 1974. It was an ecstatic time with all day Kirtans everyday at Temples, Parks, gathering places and Universities. There was no time for Maya! Before Visnujana joined the Hare Krishna Movement back in the Summer of Love, he had separated from his wife because she did not want to join the Hare Krsna Movement. He would see her at Rathayatras now and then and try to convince her to be a devotee. He last talked to her at the 1975 San Francisco Rathayatra. Visnujana was told later that it was considered a 'falldown' for him to talk to his ex-wife since he was a sannyasi. It was considered to be subtle sex. Although I'm sure Visnujana was pure in his intentions and did nothin wrong, it still seemed bother him to be accused in that way.  Visnujana Swami went to India for the 1976 Goura-pournima festival. The devotees reserved a whole 747 to fly to India which was a first time, and maybe last, a whole plane was booked full of devotees from the west, the Radha Damodar Traveling Sankirtan Party, RDTSP. At the Mayapur festival  Visnujana Swami went on a walk with Srila Prabhupada and a group of devotees on the rooftop of the Lotus building. Walking just beside and a little behind Srila Prabhupada Visnujana took the opportunity and   asked him what a sanyasi should do if he has a 'fall down'. Srila Prabhupada answered that just like Chota Haridas, he should commit suicide in the Holy rivers at Prayag.  Visnujana Swami stopped in his tracks when he heard this thinking Srila Prabhupada was done speaking about it. Visnujana stopped and Srila Prabhupada kept walking and not looking back to see that Visnujana had stopped, continued to say that in this age the atonement is to re-engage in devotional service, that is our atonement.  There were quite a few devotees around Srila Prabhupada as he walked, including Madhuvisa Prabhu who was standing next to them and he heard the conversation.  Later Visnujana Swami went to Prayag where Chota Haridas, from Chaitanya lila, had committed suicide, and paid a few Brahman priests to help him do the deed. They chanted special mantras so that he would not take a ghost body. Normally, people who commit suicide or die intoxicated take a ghost body in their next life. Visnujana is said to have tied rocks to his cloth and he jumped off the boat into the Holy Waters after the sacrificial mantras were chanted by the Brahmin Priests.  The Brahmans went to the New Delhi temple and told the Devotees about the white sanyasi. The news started to spread like wildfire and finally got to Srila Prabhupada in his new quarters in Bombay in April of 1977. Srila Prabhupada was sitting in his new quarters  when his secretary, Tamal Krsna Maharaja began to tell Srila Prabhupada about the disappearance of Visnujana Maharaja.  I had just become one of Srila Prabhupada's personal servants and was there listening also as I was very interested in my favorite devotee Visnujana Maharaja.  Tamal KG told Srila Prabhupada that he still had Visnujana's passport and he had not applied for a new passport to leave India. He mentioned the Brahman's who went to the Delhi Temple and said a white sanyasi had come to them to get their help to do a sacred suicide and he was pretty sure the white sanyasi was Visnujana Maharaja. At that point Srila Prabhupada started to cry. He turned his head away and gazed out the window and said, "He did not have to do that". Tamal KG asked if Srila Prabhupada knew where Visnujana was. Srila Prabhupada said, "Visnujana is very advanced; he's still chanting Hare Krishna. He is very advanced"!  It was obvious that Srila Prabhupada did not want to talk about it anymore as he turned toward the window again. He loved Visnujana Swami so much, who was a Harinam pioneer in the movement. In LA when Srila Prabhupada heard Visnujana Swami chanting he said, "I'm walking in Vaikuntha, I'm walking in Vaikuntha, I'm walking in Vaikuntha!" About two weeks later in Bombay Srila Prabhupada told us that Visnujana was chanting to him in his dreams. (Chota Haridas chanted for Lord Chaitanya after he commited suicide at Prayag and appeared as a celestial singer, a Gandarva) I felt better about the incident after hearing that from Srila Prabhupada.  Later I also had a dream about Visnujana. I was following him up a mountain trail when he stopped and turned to me and told me to wait. He said I was not ready to go further yet. So reluctantly I stood and watched as my first spiritual mentor Visnujana Swami disappeared in the distance, up the trail.  For Visnujana Swami, Jayananda Prabhu and then Srila Prabhupada to leave the planet all in 1976-7 was a great loss for all of us. We can remember that they still exist in the spiritual world and their great pastimes here and gain inspiration. Hopefully when it's time we'll be fortunate enough to join them again, forever, in Krsnaloka.  Hoping this meets you well and advancing in KC Your servant, GPD

[july9th]

http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/08-10/editorials6448.htm

On Dec 20, 8:11 am, Gauridasa Pandita <gauri...@aol.com> wrote:
> HH Visnujana Swami's Departure in Prayag

[Bhaktatraveler]

Hare Krsna

Be careful of what is "added" or "subtracted" from the folio in the future. The victor re-writes history ALL the time. The archives is not run by Prabhupada men, the GBC(victors) owns them! This fact of changed history is in evidence everywhere throughout the planets history. There is nowhere in our books or even remembered by qualified devotees, that I can find such a concept of benevolent suicide is applied. This is the first time anyone knows of this? I mean to say what Prabhupadanugas remember this? Who of reputable character? I can't find such an idea in our books or in any previous conversation, lectures.

Yasodanandana, do you remember this?

Let our own committee of translators have the true original recordings(copy) and then we will see. At least a committee of three-five devotees that are commonly considered Prabhupada men by the rest of us, settle this. I would like to see Pratyatosa and Yasodanandana for starters. Suggestions?

"One who is in the renounced order of life should not be allured by the glamor of the householder's worldly possessions and thus become subservient to worldly men. For one who is in the renounced order of life, this is much more dangerous than drinking poison and committing suicide."

"For a transcendentalist, therefore, who at all wants to be promoted to the kingdom beyond material miseries, it is worse than suicide to deliberately indulge in sex life, especially in the renounced order of life."

"Ghosts are bereft of a physical body because of their grievously sinful acts, such as suicide. The last resort of the ghostly characters in human society is to take shelter of suicide, either material or spiritual. Material suicide causes loss of the physical body, and spiritual suicide causes loss of the individual identity"

Doesn't sound like a good thing to me! And the idea that Srila Prabhupada is condoning it in a lost(?) conversation, but not in His books or lectures, seems very suspicious to me. It reminds me of that conversation that Isa das presented some time ago about Srila Prabhupada asking Tamal to poisoned Him(sic), NOT!

As for Gauri's remembrance of Visnujana, I would like confirmation from another source about this history before I accept it as said. I do not except to find anything about this in the folio. Plus the idea that Visnujana is worshiped like we would Jayananda seems off. Prabhupada has said this about Jayananda, yes. But also Visnujana? Opportunity was not there? Did He forget? Srila Prabhupada wrote a letter to Jayananda das, did He do the same thing for Visnujana? Did Prabhupada say to have a festival on his appearance day? If not then why push concoctions? No Gauri did not mention it here, but has said it before.

Could others please verify or disqualify these memories of Gauri's? And whether or not a festival is requested by Prabhupada for Visnujana?

Hare Krsna

RCBhakti

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From: july9th <july9t...@gmail.com>
To: Prabhupadanuga <istag...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 6:48:15 AM
Subject: [Prabhupadanuga] Re: HH Visnujana Swami's Departure in Prayag


http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/08-10/editorials6448.htm

[Pml...@aol.com]

You write "Doesn't sound like a good thing to me! And the idea that Srila Prabhupada is condoning it in a lost(?) conversation, but not in His books or lectures, seems very suspicious to me. It reminds me of that conversation that Isa das presented some time ago about Srila Prabhupada asking Tamal to poisoned Him(sic), NOT! "

 

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM well it was indeed mentioned by Tamal himself in his original UNEDITED  first edition of the book he titled 

TKG’s Diary Prabhupada’s Final Days published by Pundits Press 1998

And which ironically just so happened to be published after the poising issue was made in late 1997 early 1998. Many devotees saw this as his attempt to cover up  things. Also after SDG released his Lilamrta he continued to release several very small little (red) books with additional stories that never made it into his larger official books. I vividly remember reading in one of those book where he too mentioned a story that was told by TKG about Srila Prabhupada asking him (TKG) to administer poison because he claimed Srila Prabhupada did not want to suffer if and when he were to get very sick.

 

Personally I was shocked when I read this ( mid 80's ) but by now i had officially been striped of my book distribution service to Srila Prabhupada by SDG and his main cheerleader Sesa  and was no longer an active member of ISKCON so I really had no one to discuss this matter with. I did however know something was totally wrong with these statements printed by SDG and I was very disturbed that they were stated in a very  matter of fact way with no additional questions or comments made by the author (SDG) . I still to this day have to wonder as to why a statement that goes against everything Srila Prabhupada taught would even be printed in one of his (SDG) official Srila Prabhupada pastime books or what was his real reasons and motifs  for doing so actually were ?  

[Bhaktatraveler]

Hare Krsna (?) das

Thank you for your recollections about this. I think your in agreement that such things need to be understood and rectified as needed. There is something very off about this.

With that said, I for one, will never take to heart the words of Tamal Krsna. Never did, never will. I saw him as bad news the first time I met him and Visnujana in Miami, the winter of 74' They looked a schemer and his front/face man to me. But then I do not trust deviants. Lord Caitanya instructed me day one in my heart this lesson. DO NOT TRUST THEM! Looks like history proves Supersoul right again. My then wife saw too! I used to have to hunt her down after I came back from samkirtan and bring her back screaming they are all demons and devils. But latter, she succumbed to the cult of it all. 

Hare Krsna

RCBhakti

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From: "Pml...@aol.com" <Pml...@aol.com>
To: istag...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 12:09:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Prabhupadanuga] HH Visnujana Swami's Departure in Prayag

[Spirit Soul 108]

Hare Krsna Prabhus
PAMHO
All glories to His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada

Here is audio recording of that conversation:

Satsvarupa asks Tamal Krsna click to listen part 1 2
(recorded one week after Srila Prabhupada's Nitya Lila)

http://srilaprabhupada.us/SDGTKG_1.mp3
http://srilaprabhupada.us/SDGTKG_2.mp3

[Bhaktatraveler]

Your talking about the felonious "give me poison" tape?

I have read the transcript.(I'm deaf) I think it reads like two criminals inventing an alibi out of thin air to cover for their nefarious dirty deeds.

My two favorite murderers! I do not need no karmi courts to tell me that, Srila Prabhupada is all I need. He has said. 

Hare Krsna

RCBhakti

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From: Spirit Soul 108 <spirits...@gmail.com>
To: Prabhupadanuga <istag...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 3:07:12 AM
Subject: [Prabhupadanuga] Re: HH Visnujana Swami's Departure in Prayag

[july9th]

There is a oneness and difference here.
This new conversation like Tamal's statement challenge our
understanding.
The difference is that the new conversation is backed by audio also,
so anyone can hear and verify the transcript.
However Tamal's statement is just that, no audio from Prabhupāda to
support his claim.
As we know Tamal was hardly comparable to Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira.

> From: july9th <july9th.1...@gmail.com>

[Bhaktatraveler]

Thank you July 9th

What of the reflection about Visnujana? Do you know anything?

If it is indeed a real audio(no splices, gaps, etc) tape, than there will be no problem for me to accept it.

By the same token, there is no way I would trust Tamal or Savarupa to ever speak any truth. As you have also indicated.

Hare Krsna

RCBhakti

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From: july9th <july9t...@gmail.com>
To: Prabhupadanuga <istag...@googlegroups.com>

Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 5:40:26 PM

Subject: [Prabhupadanuga] Re: HH Visnujana Swami's Departure in Prayag

[Pml...@aol.com]

Hare Krsna

 

Thank you prabhu !

 

Your worthless servant

 

Palaka das

 

In a message dated 12/21/2010 8:52:36 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bhaktat...@yahoo.com writes:

Your talking about the felonious "give me poison" tape?

I have read the transcript.(I'm deaf) I think it reads like two criminals inventing an alibi out of thin air to cover for their nefarious dirty deeds.

My two favorite murderers! I do not need no karmi courts to tell me that, Srila Prabhupada is all I need. He has said. 

Hare Krsna

RCBhakti

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From: Spirit Soul 108 <spirits...@gmail.com>
To: Prabhupadanuga <istag...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 3:07:12 AM

Subject: [Prabhupadanuga] Re: HH Visnujana Swami's Departure in Prayag

Hare Krsna Prabhus
PAMHO
All glories to His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada

Here is audio recording of that conversation:

Satsvarupa asks Tamal Krsna click to listen  part  1  2
(recorded one week after Srila Prabhupada's Nitya Lila)

http://srilaprabhupada.us/SDGTKG_1.mp3
http://srilaprabhupada.us/SDGTKG_2.mp3

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[Pml...@aol.com]

Again, Thanks

 

i never heard this recording i only remembering reading some accounts in TKG dairies and SDg little red book where TKG is being quoted

 

Ys

[Bhaktatraveler]

Prabhu, thank you for your input. It was not irrelevant, I do appreciate you responding to my post and questions.

Hare Krsna

Caturbahu das

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