"YOUR LOVE FOR ME WILL BE SHOWN...

[Pratyatosa]

“YOUR LOVE FOR ME…

1. … will be shown by how much you cooperate to keep this institution together after I am gone.” - Śrīla Prabhupāda-līlāmṛta - Satsvarūpa dāsa Goswāmī (1980)

2. … will be shown by how much you cooperate with each other.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - Bombay (1980)

3. … will be shown by how you cooperate among yourselves after I have gone.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - Satsvarūpa Goswami (1981)

4. … will be shown by the way you cooperate among yourselves when I am gone.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - Bogotā (1983)

5. … will be shown when you cooperate together.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - Satsvarūpa dāsa Goswami (1983)

6. … will be shown by how much you cooperate to keep this institution together after I am gone.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - Satsvarūpa dāsa Goswami (1985)

7. … will be shown by how well you cooperate together.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - Hong Kong (1985)

8. … will be shown by how well you cooperate.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - Back to Godhead (1985)

9. … will be shown by how much you work together.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - Copenhagen (1988)

10. … will be shown by how you work and cooperate together.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - Somaka Swami (1988)

11. … will be shown by how well you cooperate to spread this Krsna consciousness movement.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - Hong Kong (1989)

12. … will be shown by how you cooperate among yourselves.” - Back to Godhead Magazine #27-06 - Satsvarūpa dāsa Goswāmī (1991)

13. … will be shown by how you cooperate with each other.” - Prabhupāda Appreciation - Satsvarūpa dāsa Goswāmī (1991)

14. … will be tested by how you cooperate after I am gone.” - Prabhupāda Meditations Volume I - Satsvarūpa dāsa Goswāmī (1991)

15. … will be shown by how much you cooperate.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - Śacīnandana Swami (1992)

16. … will be tested by how you cooperate with one another.” - Prabhupāda Meditations Volume III - Satsvarūpa dāsa Goswāmī (1993)

17. … will be shown by how you co-operate with one another after I am gone.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - East Cape (1997)

18. … will be shown by how you cooperate together to serve me after I am gone.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - Nagpur (1997)

19. … will be shown by how you co-operate to keep this institution together.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - Lokanāth Swami (1998)

20. … will be shown by how you cooperate with one another after I am gone.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - Yugoslavia (1999)

21. … will be shown by your co-operation.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - Dublin (1999)

22. … will be tested how after my departure you maintain this institution.” - TKG's Diary: Prabhupāda's Final Days - Tamāla Kṛṣṇa Goswami (1999)

23. … will be shown by how much you cooperate to keep this institution together when I am gone.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - New Delhi (2000)

24. … will be shown by how you cooperate.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - Tucson (2000)

25. … will manifest in your ability to cooperate.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - Kiev (2000)

26. … shall be shown by how you cooperate to serve me.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - New Remuṇā (2002)

27. … will be shown by how you cooperate to push on this Krsna consciousness movement.” - Chakra.org - “Theft” of ISKCON Members? - Niscala dasi (2010)

28. … will be shown by how you cooperate to push on this movement.” - Iskcondesiretree.com - Remembering Srila Prabhupada - Saci Gaurasundara Dasa (2010)

(Please note that the above quotes are in chronological order.)

This quote obviously originated with Satsvarūpa dāsa Goswāmī when he included it in his Śrīla Prabhupāda-līlāmṛta. But even he can’t keep the quote straight as you can see from numbers 1, 3, 5, 6, 12, 13, 14, and 16 above. “You can tell when a person is lying because his story keeps changing.” comes to mind. He probably figures, either consciously or unconsciously, “Since it’s just a completely bogus quote concocted by yours truly, what does it matter whether or not I quote my original version word-for-word!” (None of these 28 different versions, supposedly of the same statement made by Śrīla Prabhupāda, can be found in the VedaBase as having been spoken by Prabhupāda himself! And why is it that no one repeated this “Prabhupāda said” quote until 3 years after Śrīla Prabhupāda was no longer able to refute it! This fact alone should arouse suspicion!)

These quotes are obviously all part of the self-motivated ISKCON propaganda machine. “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.” Therefore, this “Your love for me…” quote is the most self-motivated, nonsense “Prabhupāda said” quote in the history of ISKCON! What they are really saying is, “Follow my orders, otherwise you don’t love Prabhupāda.”

Another point is that these ISKCON leaders obviously don’t take quoting Śrīla Prabhupāda very seriously. They seem to simply quote from memory from something that they thought that they had heard or read, assuming that their memory is infallible or simply not caring! Could it be that they are not only lazy and self-motivated, but that they also think that Prabhupāda is an ordinary man, so it doesn’t really matter whether or not they misquote him? Or maybe, either consciously or unconsciously, they figure, “Since it was a bogus, made-up quote in the first place, why bother to quote it exactly?” How can we take such rascals seriously?

“Your love for me” is something that Krishna might say, but no pure devotee would ever say such a thing! It’s arrogant! These rascals are not only self-motivatedly demanding obedience, but they also want to make Prabhupāda out to be arrogant like they are!

“My books will be the lawbooks for the next 10,000 years!” is another big lie. This quote also originated with Satsvarūpa dāsa Goswāmī when he included it in his Śrīla Prabhupāda-līlāmṛta (1980), also 3 years after Śrīla Prabhupāda was no longer able to refute it! Sounds just a little suspicious, doesn’t it? Besides, Prabhupāda is humble. He would never in a million years say such an arrogant, puffed-up thing! As far as I know, this concoction originated with Rāmeśvara and Tamal Krishna, and Satsvarūpa was simply repeating it. It’s the arrogant way that they thought, not Śrīla Prabhupāda! This concoction was obviously designed to encourage book distributors to work harder, thus bringing more money into Rāmeśvara’s BBT (Bhaktivedanta Book Trust) coffers!

Now bogus “Prabhupāda said” quotes have become an epidemic: “Look at me! I’m so great! I’ve had personal association with Prabhupāda, and I know ‘Prabhupāda said’ quotes that no one else knows!” Thank God for the VedaBase!

What’s happening in ISKCON today is about what you would expect from a society run by college dropouts who are former users/abusers of LSD and other mind-altering drugs, and who have lost most of their good qualities due to offenses against their godsiblings, against the 2nd generation and against their guru! The LSD, etc. that they used/abused has caused them to suffer permanent brain damage. This brain damage is currently being manifested as an abnormal lack of humility, abnormal paranoia, abnormal enviousness, delusions of grandeur, and an abnormal tendency to be control freaks. The solution: Don’t render any service to them or give them any money until they come to an agreement with Madhu Pandit Dāsa. Ambarisa Dāsa has indicated that he is in favor of such an agreement, but he needs to become more forceful. What he, perhaps, doesn’t realize is that most of his godsiblings will be extremely grateful to him for such a bold move, especially in the long run.

Your servant, Pratyatoṣa Dāsa

[Naveen Khurana]

Thanks for sharing this Prabhu. YS. Naveen Krishna das

[Pratyatosa]

You're very welcome, Naveen Prabhu. Glad to be of some small service.

BTW, thanks to the sharp mind of Chaitanya Mangala Prabhu (on Facebook), I added 3 more to the list (on <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/istagosthi/JHJYiugTyw8>) just now. It turns out that, in addition to the 23 variations beginning with "YOUR LOVE FOR ME WILL BE SHOWN," there are also 3 variations that begin with "YOUR LOVE FOR ME WILL BE TESTED!"

Ys, Ptd

[Padmagarbha Das]

Just a few years back I personally asked Srutikirti [not sure this is proper spelling of his name], Srila Prabhupada's servant for more than 2 years, whether or not Srila Prabhupada ever said, "My books shall be the law-books for the next ten thousand years."  Srutakirti replied, "I heard Srila Prabhupada say this several times!"

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 11:40 PM, Pratyatosa <praty...@gmail.com> wrote:

You're very welcome, Naveen Prabhu. Glad to be of some small service.

BTW, thanks to the sharp mind of Chaitanya Mangala Prabhu (on Facebook), I added 3 more to the list (on <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/istagosthi/JHJYiugTyw8>) just now. It turns out that, in addition to the 23 variations beginning with "YOUR LOVE FOR ME WILL BE SHOWN," there are also 3 variations that begin with "YOUR LOVE FOR ME WILL BE TESTED!"

Ys, Ptd

On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 10:33:23 AM UTC-4, Naveen Khurana wrote:

Thanks for sharing this Prabhu. YS. Naveen Krishna das

On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 9:54:51 AM UTC-4, Pratyatosa wrote:

“YOUR LOVE FOR ME WILL BE…

1. … shown by how much you cooperate to keep this institution together after I am gone.” - Śrīla Prabhupāda-līlāmṛta - Satsvarūpa dāsa Goswāmī (1980)

2. … shown by how much you cooperate with each other.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - Bombay (1980)

3. … shown by how you cooperate among yourselves after I have gone.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - Satsvarūpa Goswami (1981)

4. … shown by the way you cooperate among yourselves when I am gone.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - Bogotā (1983)

5. … shown when you cooperate together.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - Satsvarūpa dāsa Goswami (1983)

6. … shown by how much you cooperate to keep this institution together after I am gone.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - Satsvarūpa dāsa Goswami (1985)

7. … shown by how well you cooperate together.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - Hong Kong (1985)

8. … shown by how well you cooperate.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - Back to Godhead (1985)

9. … shown by how much you work together.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - Copenhagen (1988)

10. … shown by how you work and cooperate together.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - Somaka Swami (1988)

11. … shown by how well you cooperate to spread this Krsna consciousness movement.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - Hong Kong (1989)

12. … shown by how you cooperate among yourselves.” - Back to Godhead Magazine #25-06 - Satsvarūpa dāsa Goswāmī (1991)

13. … shown by how you cooperate with each other.” - Prabhupāda Appreciation - Satsvarūpa dāsa Goswāmī (1991)

14. … tested by how you cooperate after I am gone.” - Prabhupāda Meditations Volume I - Satsvarūpa dāsa Goswāmī (1991)

15. … shown by how much you cooperate.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - Śacīnandana Swami (1992)

16. … tested by how you cooperate with one another.” - Prabhupāda Meditations Volume III - Satsvarūpa dāsa Goswāmī (1993)

17. … shown by how you co-operate with one another after I am gone.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - East Cape (1997)

18. … shown by how you cooperate together to serve me after I am gone.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - Nagpur (1997)

19. … shown by how you co-operate to keep this institution together.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - Lokanāth Swami (1998)

20. … shown by how you cooperate with one another after I am gone.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - Yugoslavia (1999)

21. … shown by your co-operation.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - Dublin (1999)

22. … tested how after my departure you maintain this institution.” - TKG's Diary: Prabhupāda's Final Days - Tamāla Kṛṣṇa Goswami

23. … shown by how much you cooperate to keep this institution together when I am gone.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - New Delhi (2000)

24. … shown by how you cooperate.” - Śrī Vyāsa-pūjā - Tucson (2000)

25. … shown by how you cooperate to push on this Krsna consciousness movement.” - Chakra.org - “Theft” of ISKCON Members? - Niscala dasi (2010)

26. … shown by how you cooperate to push on this movement.” - Iskcondesiretree.com - Remembering Srila Prabhupada - Saci Gaurasundara Dasa (2010)

(Please note that the above quotes are in chronological order.)

This quote obviously originated with Satsvarūpa dāsa Goswāmī when he included it in his Śrīla Prabhupāda-līlāmṛta. But even he can’t keep the quote straight as you can see from numbers 1, 3, 5, 6, 12, 13, 14, and 16 above. “You can tell when a person is lying because his story keeps changing.” comes to mind. He probably figures, either consciously or unconsciously, “Since it’s just a completely bogus quote concocted by yours truly, what does it matter whether or not I quote my original version word-for-word!” (None of these 26 different versions, supposedly of the same statement made by Śrīla Prabhupāda, can be found in the VedaBase as having been spoken by Prabhupāda himself! And why is it that no one repeated this “Prabhupāda said” quote until 3 years after Śrīla Prabhupāda was no longer able to refute it! This fact alone should arouse suspicion!)

These quotes are obviously all part of the self-motivated ISKCON propaganda machine. “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.” Therefore, this “Your love for me will be shown…” quote is the most self-motivated, nonsense “Prabhupāda said” quote in the history of ISKCON! What they are really saying is, “Follow my orders, otherwise you don’t love Prabhupāda.”

Another point is that these ISKCON leaders obviously don’t take quoting Śrīla Prabhupāda very seriously. They seem to simply quote from memory from something that they thought that they had heard or read, assuming that their memory is infallible or simply not caring! Could it be that they are not only lazy and self-motivated, but that they also think that Prabhupāda is an ordinary man, so it doesn’t really matter whether or not they misquote him? Or maybe, either consciously or unconsciously, they figure, “Since it was a bogus, made-up quote in the first place, why bother to quote it exactly?” How can we take such rascals seriously?

“Your love for me” is something that Krishna might say, but no pure devotee would ever say such a thing! It’s arrogant! These rascals are not only self-motivatedly demanding obedience, but they also want to make Prabhupāda out to be arrogant like they are!

“My books will be the lawbooks for the next 10,000 years!” is another big lie. This quote also originated with Satsvarūpa dāsa Goswāmī when he included it in his Śrīla Prabhupāda-līlāmṛta (1980), also 3 years after Śrīla Prabhupāda was no longer able to refute it! Sounds just a little suspicious, doesn’t it? Besides, Prabhupāda is humble. He would never in a million years say such an arrogant, puffed-up thing! As far as I know, this concoction originated with Rāmeśvara and Tamal Krishna, and Satsvarūpa was simply repeating it. It’s the arrogant way that they thought, not Śrīla Prabhupāda! This concoction was obviously designed to encourage book distributors to work harder, thus bringing more money into Rāmeśvara’s BBT (Bhaktivedanta Book Trust) coffers!

Now bogus “Prabhupāda said” quotes have become an epidemic: “Look at me! I’m so great! I’ve had personal association with Prabhupāda, and I know ‘Prabhupāda said’ quotes that no one else knows!” Thank God for the VedaBase!

What’s happening in ISKCON today is about what you would expect from a society run by college dropouts who are former users/abusers of LSD and other mind-altering drugs, and who have lost most of their good qualities due to offenses against their godsiblings, against the 2nd generation and against their guru! The LSD, etc. that they used/abused has caused them to suffer permanent brain damage. This brain damage is currently being manifested as an abnormal lack of humility, abnormal paranoia, abnormal enviousness, delusions of grandeur, and an abnormal tendency to be control freaks. The solution: Don’t render any service to them or give them any money until they come to an agreement with Madhu Pandit Dāsa. Ambarisa Dāsa has indicated that he is in favor of such an agreement, but he needs to become more forceful. What he, perhaps, doesn’t realize is that most of his godsiblings will be extremely grateful to him for such a bold move, especially in the long run.

Your servant, Pratyatoṣa Dāsa

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[Pratyatosa]

Srutakirti has a bad habit of taking something that Srila Prabhupada never said even once and saying that Prabhupada said it often. Here is an example:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Srutakirti (das) ACBSP (Bushey, Herts - UK)
Date: Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 1:25 PM
Subject: changing the subject.
To: Pratyatosa

Don't want to cause any controversy but when Srila Prabhupada bathed in a
public area he would do so in his gamcha. When he was in his private bath in
his quarters he did not. As he often said, Krishna Consciousness is common
sense.

your servant, Srutakirti das

Also, how could someone be Srila Prabhupada's personal servant for "more than 2 years" and not know that Srila Prabhupada NEVER EVER bathed naked?

Therefore, sorry to say, he's not a reliable witness.

Ys, Ptd

[Padmagarbha Das]

Kindly provide me the evidence, [a letter or a recording from Srila Prabhupada] where he stated that he has NEVER EVER bathed naked. Thank you!

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[Pratyatosa]

Because of Srutakirti's email, I asked Bhavananda this question. Here is his reply:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Bhavananda (das) ACBSP
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 8:10 AM
Subject: Dear Bhavananda Prabhu, ...
To: Pratyatosa

Never that I know of. I think it highly unlikely that he ever did. He was
very modest and schooled in Vaisnava culture.

[Pratyatosa]

I also asked Hari Sauri Prabhu, who was Srila Prabhupada's personal servant after Srutakirti Prabhu:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Hari Sauri (das) ACBSP
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 1:55 PM
Subject: Dear Hari Sauri Prabhu, ...
To: Howard Charles Best


        DEar Pratyatosh prabhu,

        Please accept my humble obeisances _/\ò_. All glories to Srila
Prabhupada!

>
> Did Srila Prabhupada EVER bathe naked?

        Never. He always wore his gamsha and kaupina. After washing he would
wrap his towel around himself and then drop the gamsha and kaupina in the
bucket. He would then dry off, then tie his clean kaupina around his waist,
drop the towel and then tie up his kaupin. In other words, he was never
naked at any stage.

        Your humble servant,
        Hari-sauri dasa

[Pratyatosa]

I also asked Jayadvaita:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jayadvaita Swami
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 9:36 PM
Subject: : Dear Jayadvaita Maharaja, ...
To: Pratyatosa

>Did Srila Prabhupada ever bathe naked?

Never when I was around.

        --ys, js

[Pratyatosa]

I also asked Brahmananda:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Brahmananda Das
Date: Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: Dear Brahmananda Prabhu, ...
To: Pratyatosa

No. always wore a gamcha.

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From: Pratyatosa

To: Brahmananda Das
Sent: Wed, 30 June, 2010 6:17:04 AM
Subject: Dear Brahmananda Prabhu, ...

... Hare Krishna! Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

Did Srila Prabhupada EVER bathe naked?

Your servant, Pratyatosa Dasa

[Pratyatosa]

I also asked Hansadutta:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: hansadutta
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 12:35 PM
Subject: Dear Pratyatosa, Obeisances, all glories to Srila Prabhupada. I personally never saw Prabhupada bathe Naked. In the Dharma shastras it is enjoined to not bathe naked, you are being observed by the sun, moon, air, fire, the ten directions etc.....
To: pratyatosa

[Pratyatosa]

Praghosa (the big book distributor) also testified:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Patrick Hedemark
Date: Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: Bathing Naked
To: Pratyatosa

Thought you might appreciate this snippet from the Manu Samhita - which HDG Srila Prabhupada would occasionally refer to:

 

Manu Smriti - Laws of Manu

Chapter 4

: Duties of the Brahmana

Text 45:

Let him not eat, dressed with one garment only; let him not bathe naked; let him not void urine on a road, on ashes, or in a cow-pen,

 

 

I am sure some might offer something along the lines of "Well..that is for the brahmana etc etc'.

 

However it would appear that Vaisnava - being higher than even the "brahmana" which is itself a "false prestige" only unless it assists us in arriving at the Vaisnava Conclusion - was the platform Srila Prabhupada was teaching and thus his apparent example in this respect is - appears to be - as usual - perfectly in harmony with the above quote from Manu Samhita.

 

P

[Pratyatosa]

I also testified:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Pratyatosa
Date: Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 11:06 AM
Subject: Bathing Naked
To: istagosthi

The following is from the Pancaratra-Pradipa [Also known as "The ISKCON Deity Worship Manual," which Srila Prabhupada ordered us to follow]. The quote is in VedaBase 2003:

• Do not bathe naked. Wear a kaupena or a cloth with a tail tucked in at the back (kaccha). This shows respect to the personality of the water and shows that one recognizes bathing to be a sacred act. One should be particularly careful to observe this injunction when bathing in a river or other public place.

Your servant, Pratyatosa Dasa

[Pratyatosa]

I also testified as follows:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Pratyatosa
Date: Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: Bathing Naked

To: istagosthi

I was in LA in 1972 when Srila Prabhupada ordered that this bathing naked nonsense should immediately stop, so from then on, we either bathed wearing brahmin underwear, or better yet, a gamcha (loin cloth).

Ys, Ptd

[Naveen Khurana]

Very good to know. Thanks Prabhu and all the best. YS. Naveen.

 

From: istag...@googlegroups.com [mailto:istag...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pratyatosa
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 9:47 AM
To: Prabhupadanuga
Subject: Re: "YOUR LOVE FOR ME WILL BE SHOWN...

 

According to the VedaBase, Srila Prabhupada never even said, "your love for me" let alone the rest of the questionable quote. He doesn't talk that way! "Your love for me" is something that Krishna says. His pure devotee would never say such a thing. Only rascals, who want to be God, would even think that way!

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[rainer hahn]

The original quote from where this was derived might be this letter to Upendra, 1970:

"Now all my disciples must work combinedly and with cooperation to spread this Sankirtana Movement. If you cannot work together then my work is stopped up. Our Society is like one big family and our relationships should be based on love and trust. We must give up the fighting spirit and use our intelligence to push ahead. You should accept help from your Godbrothers."

Problem why above is not quoted might be that Prabhupada says ... our society is one big family...and this is what present ISKCON is not, there is no family spirit. 
Family spirit was recently mentioned by Pope Francis: “You could say that the ‘family spirit’ is a constitution for the Church,” continued Pope Francis. “This is what Christianity must show to the world, and so must Christianity truly be.”  
http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2015/10/07/pope_francis_family_spirit_a_constitution_for_church/1177392

On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Pratyatosa <praty...@gmail.com> wrote:

According to the VedaBase, Srila Prabhupada never even said, "your love for me" let alone the rest of the questionable quote. He doesn't talk that way! "Your love for me" is something that Krishna says. His pure devotee would never say such a thing. Only rascals, who want to be God, would even think that way!

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On 12/23/16, 11:49 AM, rainer hahn wrote:

According to the VedaBase, Srila Prabhupada never even said, "your love for me" let alone the rest of the questionable quote. He doesn't talk that way! "Your love for me" is something that Krishna says. His pure devotee would never say such a thing. Only rascals, who want to be God, would even think that way!

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I am not arguing one way or the other if Srila Prabhupada exactly said this or not. But to say that he "would never say such a thing" is presumptuous.  Many times, devotees proclaimed their love for Srila Prabhupada, asking what they could do to please him. Not everything he said or wrote is in the Veda Base, let's at least face that reality. So many wonderful examples! We loved Srila Prabhupada! One devotee expressed how he always thought about Srila Prabhupada, not Krishna, because he knew Srila Prabhupada. He asked if it would be alright if he thought about Srila Prabhupada at the time of death and Srila Prabhupada assured him that it would. We need to be careful that we do not become envious of Srila Prabhupada!

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[Pratyatosa]

My contention is that making up a "Prabhupada said" quote such as "Your love for me..." is in itself an expression of enviousness of Srila Prabhupada. Not only is the fabricator trying to use it as a weapon for controlling other people, but he is trying to bring Prabhupada down to his level of arrogance!

[Naveen Khurana]

I understand your point and well taken Prabhu.

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[Melanie L Nagel]

Where is the proof it was 'made up?' 

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[Pratyatosa]

The only witnesses are known liars. They fabricated the "zonal acharya" hoax. Now we're supposed to believe them when, 3 years after Prabhupada leaves, they suddenly, out-of-the-blue, come up with a new, never-before-heard, obviously self-motivated, "Prabhupabha said" quote? It doesn't make any sense.

Srila Prabhupada would never say anything even close to such an arrogant statement. The simple phrase, "Your love for me," is something that Krishna said. Prabhupada would never say such an arrogant thing, as can be verified by doing a VedaBase search.

[John Hanton]

These are nice points by Malati Prabhu.

This subject should be considered from different perspectives and recognised that there are actually two different subjects here. Mixing them doesn't help to get a clear understanding.

Quoting Srila Prabhupada accurately or inaccurately for personal benefit is one subject and we can all find numerous examples even within ourselves.

Whether or not Srila Prabhupada said the "you will show your love for me" words directly or indirectly is another subject.

There are numerous letters where Prabhupada expressed his love for his disciples and and acknowledged their love for him.

Prabhupada is not an ordinary person wanting to be loved for his own benefit, but he took that love and passed it on to Krishna. This is the process, so of course Prabhupada encouraged it.

I mean, would we think that by not cooperating, we would be showing our love for Prabhupada, or by cooperating we would not be showing our love for Prabhupada. 

Prabhupada wanted us to cooperate. That is indisputable. By cooperating we do show our love for Srila Prabhupada.

Of course if a self motivated rascal uses that for his own purposes, that is an entirely different thing and should be condemned. It is however a different subject.

Cooperating with someone who is motivated for his own purpose would not be the same as cooperating with someone to please Prabhupada and Krishna. That is an obvious fact.

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Jitarati das

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[John Hanton]

Here is more verification of what I was talking about in a letter to George Harrison, Jan. 4, 1973.

Yes, if one simply comes to that platform of spontaneous love for the spiritual master, then very quickly he will get love of God, or Krishna, and his all hankerings and lamentations of life will be finished. That is the process. Just like when two friends meet and, if the friend is also with his dog, the gentleman pats his dog first, is it not? So the friend becomes automatically pleased, his dog being patted. I have seen it in your country sometimes when I used to walk in the Regents Park early mornings. So it is like that, the spiritual master is the pet dog of Krishna, and if he is pleased so Krishna is also pleased. That is the process.

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[valyavapu]

Does this quote exist, YES or NO? All the points presented by Pratyatosa prabhu are relevant.

(in French): Cette citation existe-t-elle, OUI ou NON ? Tous les points présentés par Pratyatosa prabhu sont pertinents... Stop à l'enfumage, Mesdames, Mesdemoiselles, Messieurs.

[rmd]

somehow mother Malati managed to make it look like that I wrote:

According to the VedaBase, Srila Prabhupada never even said, "your love for me" let alone the rest of the questionable quote. He doesn't talk that way! "Your love for me" is something that Krishna says. His pure devotee would never say such a thing. Only rascals, who want to be God, would even think that way!

No. This is the text from topic start.
 

[Pratyatosa]

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Vraja Vilasa Dasa The actual quote according to the source (TKG) is: "Srila Prabhupada emphasized, “Your love for me will be tested how after my departure you maintain this institution. We have glamour and people are feeling our weight. This should be maintained. Not like Gaudiya Math.
After Guru Maharaja’s departure so many acaryas came up." TKG Diary May 23 1977.

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Vraja Vilasa Dasa Satsvarupa then heard it from TKG and put it in the Lilamrta. However what Satsvarupa printed was different from TKG's words in the diary and also removed from all context. Then, Satsvarupa repeated this statement, altered it, truncated it repeatedly in print. It has become second and third hand folklore far removed from the source.

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Vraja Vilasa Dasa And now we get, as Uttamasloka Dasa, stated, an 'ISKCON slogan.' In fact, if you read the quote in context, Srila Prabhupada appears to be speaking to TKG about not trying to become big gurus and destroy what he made. The intended audience was ambitious leaders in ISKCON, and NOT the rank and file.

One could certainly argue that the ambitious leaders certainly did exactly what Prabhupada did not want them to do. They did 'cooperate' but only to carve up the institution into zones of personal fiefdoms. This still goes on.

[Pratyatosa]

Just now, Ramesvara deleted my (getting too close to home?) comment from his Facebook post (<https://www.facebook.com/robert.grant.522/posts/1404733939649174>) in which he claims that "Nothing pleases Srila Prabhupada more than having his books distributed." even though the only answers to the question, "What pleases you the most?" that can be verified by the VedaBase are "That you love Krishna" and "That you chant the Hare Krishna Mantra." (paraphrased):

Here's a sample history of how bogus "Prabhupada said" quotes get more and more distorted by self-motivated rascals: (Copied from another place on Facebook, it's concerning the infamous "Your love for me will be shown..." quote):

Vraja Vilasa Dasa:

The actual quote, according to the source (TKG), is: "Srila Prabhupada emphasized, 'Your love for me will be tested how after my departure you maintain this institution. We have glamour and people are feeling our weight. This should be maintained. Not like Gaudiya Math. After Guru Maharaja’s departure so many acaryas came up.'" (TKG Diary, May 23, 1977)

Satsvarupa then heard it from TKG and put it in the Lilamrta. However what Satsvarupa printed was different from TKG's words in the diary and also removed from all context. Then, Satsvarupa repeated this statement, altered it, truncated it repeatedly in print. It has become second and third hand folklore far removed from the source.

[Pratyatosa]

12 hours ago, I posted a slightly reworded version, and, so far, Ramesvara hasn't deleted it:

The following testimony, concerning the famous "Your love for me will be shown by how much you cooperate to keep this institution together after I am gone" quote, illustrates the danger of "Prabhupada said" quotes becoming twisted when there is no tape recorded verification:

Vraja Vilasa Dasa:

The actual quote, according to the source (TKG), is: "Srila Prabhupada emphasized, 'Your love for me will be tested how after my departure you maintain this institution. We have glamour and people are feeling our weight. This should be maintained. Not like Gaudiya Math. After Guru Maharaja’s departure so many acaryas came up.'" (TKG Diary, May 23, 1977)

Satsvarupa then heard it from TKG and put it in the Lilamrta. However, what Satsvarupa printed was different from TKG's words in the diary and also removed from all context. Then, Satsvarupa repeated this statement, altered it, truncated it repeatedly in print. It has become second and third hand folklore far removed from the source.

And now we get, as Uttamasloka Dasa, stated, an "ISKCON slogan." In fact, if you read the quote in context, Srila Prabhupada appears to be speaking to TKG about not trying to become big gurus and destroy what he made. The intended audience was ambitious leaders in ISKCON, and NOT the rank and file.

One could certainly argue that the ambitious leaders certainly did exactly what Prabhupada did not want them to do. They did "cooperate" but only to carve up the institution into zones of personal fiefdoms. This still goes on.

[Pratyatosa]

Jagadambika Dasi Morning walk in Mayapur, March 4th, 1974. .... “If you really want to please me, please distribute books, distribute books, .

Pratyatosa Das “If you really want to please me, please distribute books, distribute books" is a completely bogus "Prabhupada said" quote!

Jagadambika Dasi So what if he didn't say it Pratyatosa Das Prabhu. Is distributing books not pleasing to His Divine Grace? Always love arguing. No time for craziness. Why spread hate all the time. Spread love. Distribute Prabhupada's books, oh pure one.

Pratyatosa Das Since when is trying to save a fool from the bad karma of misquoting Srila Prabhupada considered to be some kind of hate?

The above comments were also posted on <https://www.facebook.com/robert.grant.522/posts/1404733939649174>, Ramesvara's Facebook post.

[Pratyatosa]

Ramesvara strikes again! He allowed the bogus "Prabhupada said" quote to remain, but he deleted both of my comments below and more! Why doesn't he simply unfriend me? Strange!