A "spiritually advanced ISKCON Guru?"
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Pratyatosa
Oct 1, 2014, 12:53:43 AM10/1/14
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Dear Prabhus,
Hare Krishna! Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila
Prabhupada!
A "spiritually advanced ISKCON Guru" other than Srila Prabhupada is an oxymoron. It is not possible. He is just pretending. An actually spiritually advanced disciple of Srila Prabhupada would, by definition, be a proponent of Prabhupada's "ritvik henceforward" prescription for all future initiations within ISKCON, as propounded by his July 9th, 1977 letter to all GBC men and to all temple presidents. A truly spiritually advanced disciple of Prabhupada would not be envious of him. Therefore he would never, ever want to usurp Srila Prabhupada's constitutional position as the sole diksa guru of ISKCON!
Besides, he is extremely offensive, so how is it possible for him to make any spiritual advancement? He is extremely offensive to his godbrothers by, in effect, saying, "Ha, ha. I'm qualified to be a guru and you're not!" He is extremely offensive to his godsisters by, in effect, saying, "You can't be a guru like me because you are a woman!" He is also extremely offensive to the 2nd generation. What you have is a former drug/sex addicted hippie who was born and raised in a meat-eating family trying to force the 2nd generation, who never ate meat or took intoxication in their entire lives, to bow down to him, worship him, and take initiation from him. How can anyone get more offensive than that? He is obviously very envious of the 2nd generation also.
He should hang his head in shame because he has given Srila Prabhupada's beloved Hare Krishna Movement a very bad reputation. He should beg forgiveness for his multitude of offenses, and stop pretending to be a spiritually advanced guru. He should beg forgiveness from his godbrothers, his godsisters, the 2nd generation, and especially from Srila Prabhupada!
Your servant, Pratyatosa Dasa <http://groups.google.com/group/istagosthi>, <http://causelessmercy.com/>, <http://rtvik.com/>, <http://pratyatosa.com/>, <http://feedacow.com/>, <http://llbest.com/>
A "spiritually advanced ISKCON Guru" other than Srila Prabhupada is an oxymoron. It is not possible. He is just pretending. An actually spiritually advanced disciple of Srila Prabhupada would, by definition, be a proponent of Prabhupada's "ritvik henceforward" prescription for all future initiations within ISKCON, as propounded by his July 9th, 1977 letter to all GBC men and to all temple presidents. A truly spiritually advanced disciple of Prabhupada would not be envious of him. Therefore he would never, ever want to usurp Srila Prabhupada's constitutional position as the sole diksa guru of ISKCON!
Besides, he is extremely offensive, so how is it possible for him to make any spiritual advancement? He is extremely offensive to his godbrothers by, in effect, saying, "Ha, ha. I'm qualified to be a guru and you're not!" He is extremely offensive to his godsisters by, in effect, saying, "You can't be a guru like me because you are a woman!" He is also extremely offensive to the 2nd generation. What you have is a former drug/sex addicted hippie who was born and raised in a meat-eating family trying to force the 2nd generation, who never ate meat or took intoxication in their entire lives, to bow down to him, worship him, and take initiation from him. How can anyone get more offensive than that? He is obviously very envious of the 2nd generation also.
He should hang his head in shame because he has given Srila Prabhupada's beloved Hare Krishna Movement a very bad reputation. He should beg forgiveness for his multitude of offenses, and stop pretending to be a spiritually advanced guru. He should beg forgiveness from his godbrothers, his godsisters, the 2nd generation, and especially from Srila Prabhupada!
Your servant, Pratyatosa Dasa <http://groups.google.com/group/istagosthi>, <http://causelessmercy.com/>, <http://rtvik.com/>, <http://pratyatosa.com/>, <http://feedacow.com/>, <http://llbest.com/>
Mario Pineda
Oct 3, 2014, 4:34:55 AM10/3/14
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Hare Krishna. A true ritvik Prabhupadanugas is also mild and not ready to fight with the other ritvik Prabhupadanuga God sisters and brothers. In the C.C, it says that a devotee is one that never makes others afraid. Some ritvik Prabhupadanugas make others afraid to speak,etc!
Srila Prabhupada said., "you render me useless" when you don't cooperate. He also said., "you will show your love for me when you cooperate with each other."
There is a call out from many ritvik Prabhupadanugas, that we not fight, but be patient, tolerant, mild and try to unite and cooperate. The leaders have been a bit receptive, but not enough.
MD
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:51 PM, Pratyatosa <praty...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Prabhus, Hare Krishna! Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
A "spiritually advanced ISKCON Guru" other than Srila Prabhupada is an oxymoron. It is not possible. He is just pretending. An actually spiritually advanced disciple of Srila Prabhupada would, by definition, be a proponent of Prabhupada's "ritvik henceforward" prescription for all future initiations within ISKCON, as propounded by his July 9th, 1977 letter to all GBC men and to all temple presidents. A truly spiritually advanced disciple of Prabhupada would not be envious of him. Therefore he would never, ever want to usurp Srila Prabhupada's constitutional position as the sole diksa guru of ISKCON!
Besides, he is extremely offensive, so how is it possible for him to make any spiritual advancement? He is extremely offensive to his godbrothers by, in effect, saying, "Ha, ha. I'm qualified to be a guru and you're not!" He is extremely offensive to his godsisters by, in effect, saying, "You can't be a guru like me because you are a woman!" He is also extremely offensive to the 2nd generation. What you have is a former drug/sex addicted hippie who was raised in a meat-eating family trying to force the 2nd generation, who never ate meat or took intoxication in their entire lives, to bow down to him, worship him, and take initiation from him. How can anyone get more offensive than that? He is obviously very envious of the 2nd generation also.
He should hang his head in shame because he has given Srila Prabhupada's beloved Hare Krishna Movement a very bad reputation. He should beg forgiveness for his multitude of offenses, and stop pretending to be a spiritually advanced guru. He should beg forgiveness from his godbrothers, his godsisters, the 2nd generation, and especially from Srila Prabhupada!
Your servant, Pratyatosa Dasa <http://groups.google.com/group/istagosthi>, <http://causelessmercy.com/>, <http://rtvik.com/>, <http://pratyatosa.com/>, <http://feedacow.com/>, <http://llbest.com/>
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Pratyatosa
Oct 3, 2014, 4:42:18 AM10/3/14
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When someone quotes Srila Prabhupada as having said something similar to, "You will show your love for me when you cooperate with each other,” what he is really saying is, "Obey me. Otherwise you are not showing your love for Srila Prabhupada!" In other words, he is self-motivated. Actually, there is no concrete evidence that Prabhupada ever said such a thing. (See: <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/istagosthi/CIWk8G36cY8>)
tim lee
Oct 3, 2014, 7:01:38 PM10/3/14
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Correct Mahatma das, True ritviks are not quoting the GBC's biggest defenders. (as posted on our blog) --- To sum up then, the HKC Jaipur is quoting the GBC's guru sympathizers, promoters, defenders, goondas and enforcers like (A) Bhakta das. Bhakta promotes Radhanath and other GBC's, and Radhanath is the leader of a program that abused children and murdered devotees -- and would have murdered me except the police saved me. This is the HKC Jaipur's idea of their "higher" authority to quote in their PUBLIC "position papers" and web sites -- that the HKC members almost ALL quoted to me AND to the public.
And Bhakta das says our Prabhupadanuga program is poison, and this is the first person the HKC cites IN PUBLIC as their authority on their PUBLIC papers and PUBLIC web sites. Then the HKC cites in PUBLIC Mr. Urdhva Ketu, who says the ritvik idea is totally bogus. Then the HKC cites and promotes IN PUBLIC (C) the Australia site that says Vaishnavism is bogus and Krishna is a lusty rascal.
And them, to top it off, HKC Jaipur also quotes Bhavananda's henchman's "diary" (D) Hari Sauri das, who was Bhavananda's main defender and helper all along since 1977 up to the present time today. These two still are together now in Mayapura. Never mind the Hari Sauri / Bhavananda's program is connected to all kinds of child abuse, and Bhavananda is one of the suspects in the poison complaint, and this is the program the HKC wants us to hear from -- IN PUBLIC.
Its always the biggest PUBLIC loud mouth defenders of a program that is connected to mass child abuse, murder, and guru poisoning that the HKC Jaipur forwards as their PUBLIC spokesman, representatives and authorities. Sulochana said "Hari Sauri is the bucket boy for the semen sucking sampradaya," and "Hari Sauri is trying to demonize us -- to get us KILLED," and now the HKC Jaipur is the bucket boy for Bhavananda's bucket boy, because HKC Jaipur is citing IN PUBLIC Hari Sauri writings as their new hero authority, and the HKC cites his "transcendental diary" as their authority, fine except, semen sucking acharya programs are only an authority for HKC's bogus cult and no one else.
And Bhakta das says our Prabhupadanuga program is poison, and this is the first person the HKC cites IN PUBLIC as their authority on their PUBLIC papers and PUBLIC web sites. Then the HKC cites in PUBLIC Mr. Urdhva Ketu, who says the ritvik idea is totally bogus. Then the HKC cites and promotes IN PUBLIC (C) the Australia site that says Vaishnavism is bogus and Krishna is a lusty rascal.
And them, to top it off, HKC Jaipur also quotes Bhavananda's henchman's "diary" (D) Hari Sauri das, who was Bhavananda's main defender and helper all along since 1977 up to the present time today. These two still are together now in Mayapura. Never mind the Hari Sauri / Bhavananda's program is connected to all kinds of child abuse, and Bhavananda is one of the suspects in the poison complaint, and this is the program the HKC wants us to hear from -- IN PUBLIC.
Its always the biggest PUBLIC loud mouth defenders of a program that is connected to mass child abuse, murder, and guru poisoning that the HKC Jaipur forwards as their PUBLIC spokesman, representatives and authorities. Sulochana said "Hari Sauri is the bucket boy for the semen sucking sampradaya," and "Hari Sauri is trying to demonize us -- to get us KILLED," and now the HKC Jaipur is the bucket boy for Bhavananda's bucket boy, because HKC Jaipur is citing IN PUBLIC Hari Sauri writings as their new hero authority, and the HKC cites his "transcendental diary" as their authority, fine except, semen sucking acharya programs are only an authority for HKC's bogus cult and no one else.
Sulochana said these Hari Sauri people are "servants of the serpents," and he was right -- their program killed him. Anyway, we are glad the Akshaya people in Jaipur got all this started, otherwise we would never know these HKC people are in cahoots with the GBC's agenda in spades. I miss Sulochana so much, he used to make me cry with laughter when he said his one liner jokes like, "semen sucking sampradaya," "servants of the serpents," he knew who these deviant GBC folks were, and he knew who their promoters and defenders were, and he said -- they are trying to kill me because, they are servants of the serpents. This is the real reason the HKC opposes us, they are bucket boys for the semen sucking sampradaya, just like Sulochana said they are, all along. He is right. Hari Sauri is perhaps the worst defender of this child abuse acharya program, and he is the number one person the HKC forwards IN PUBLIC, that means the HKC is tethered to the mass abuse of children program, its bogus acharyas, and it promoters and defenders like Hari Sauri, peas in a PADA, plain and simple. Servants of the serpents, Sulochan had all these guys pegged the whole time, no wonder they killed him. ys pd
B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP)
Oct 4, 2014, 10:34:36 PM10/4/14
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The problem is when people have a desire for power, control-over [others] and want it for the WRONG reasons. That includes certain [so-called] Prabhupadanugas. A genuine Prabhupadanuga will not have that mentality of wanting to "lord it over" others, and for many older and younger aspiring devotees, we've seen this mentality (and experienced the results) in so many of those people in ISKCON over the years with such (wrongly motivated) power-over mentality.
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