:) B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) non-sense

[B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP)]

How could you trust what anyone says? You won't accept the words from the verses sent to you from Srimad Bhagavatam. You won't accept what Srila Prabhupada said, nor the words from our Predecessor Acaryas, nor those of Jesus Christ, so if you wont accepts these, then whose words would you be able to accept? - only your own. (That's the nature of fools.)

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From: Geary Sheridan <gear...@ca.rr.com>
To: B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) <rgswa...@yahoo.com>
Cc: "istag...@googlegroups.com" <istag...@googlegroups.com>; Gilbert Sanchez <gaudaca...@mac.com>; "isk...@yahoogroups.com" <isk...@yahoogroups.com>; larry freeman p <lak...@webtv.net>; jack Eskildsen <deadh...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 3:14 AM
Subject: B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) non-sense

Copying you own awkward and immature format, rather that respectable self-contained letter structure,

 

my response is in red as an homage to your no-class / low-class non-sense (below).

On Dec 7, 2014, at 9:31 PM, B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) <rgswa...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Here's some feedback from two devotees for you GK prabhu, (and they're not your hated ritviks).

Yeah.  I trust anything you say.

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From: "v...@gmail.com>
To: B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) <rgswa...@yahoo.com> 
Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: More Points To Guru Krsna (Geary Sheridan) Prabhu

This person is really a puffed up bastard.

Obviously someone has no respect.

No doubt, he fashions himself as a guru (although not voted in as of yet).  

Delusional and disrespectful.

He must be very pure and empowered by paramatma to be giving his blessings and instructions.  

Cheep, trailer-park sarcasm.  Psychobabble.

So I would be eager to speak with and get inspired with all the active devotees has has brought to Krishna consciousness and have taken initiation.

Stumble bum language and more psychobabble.

Since his stellar service began circa 1978, I would image that one so expert in shastra and at the uttama stage would bring in at least 5 devotes per year.  

Now we get to it. During my time as a full-time sankirtan devotee, living in the New Dwaraka communities brahmachari ashram, not a single sankirtan devotee had done that.  And there were 17 full-time sankirtan men going out 5-7 days a week, during my time 1 SEP 78 thru 31 AUG 80. Every Sunday feast, my service was to greet new comers to the New Dwaraka Temple.  Not a single person I gave a book to or collected donations from came to the feast.  I spoke about that to many of my sankirtan god-brothers and they all admitted the same results.  They all said candidly, “If they (the karmi’s) touch Prabhupada’s books, they made spiritual advancement." 

I mean if you are out doing books every day, preaching to hundreds of persons in a few months....5 is insultingly low estimate.

Drink the kook-aid.

 So 5 x 36 is only 180 devotees.  

Congratulations!  You have a second grade math skill.

I wonder where these 180+ devotees are and how wonderful their preaching must be because of him.  

That’s a question.  Right?  Use a question mark, knucklehead.

Certainly, he is not like so many that talk a big big, speak in iskcon lingo and try to impress those already "in" with his "seniority”. 

What the f*^@?

It would be a shame if all his years of steady service have produced hardly any tangible "fruit" in terms of visible devotees.  

What is a shame is that I’m waisting my time with this kool-aid drinker!

Of course, in this endeavor there is no loss, but the tree is judged by its fruits.

A phiL-oscar-fUr now?

   I hope that he has not simply wasted all these years by feeding his false ego while thinking he is doing some grand service for Krishna when really he is now just some old man, angry, and washed up.

Wow!  That really hurts.  Where did you find this…. person? 

Feel free to pass on my comments as they are simply a judgement based on his exchanges. 

More like pass a little flatulence.

 I don't know this person nor care about him in any way.  

You don’t know me.  And yet, you have nothing tangible to say.  

I don't pose as some great transcendentalist.  

That’s a profound realization.

To me he seems like a pompous asshole and the very reason why people who might be attracted by the books and come to the temple would quickly walk back out of the door thinking what an asshole...this must all be more bullshit like (insert any religious group).

The profundity is overwhelming!

 

Sent from my iPad

trailer-pad, more like.

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[B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP)]

Weird... Between the Middle East and African continent, many people who Srila Prabhupada gave books to through my hands, came to the temple, (when there was a temple in that area for them to come to). In the Middle Eastern countries, there are no temples. (Not allowed, and preaching anything other than Islam is not allowed, yet despite that, by Srila Prabhupada's mercy, Srila Prabhupada's books and Krsna consciousness was going out to people, and they were taking up Krsna consciousness, despite there not being any temples.)

On the African continent, people were also accepting Krsna consciousness, some people after having receiving books, moving into the temples. (And yes, in a few countries there, by Srila Prabhupada's mercy, Srila Prabhupada used this fallen jiva as an instrument to start temples on His behalf.) In M.East, only nama hattas could be started. 

Through Srila Prabhupada's mercy, some people to whom I was made an instrument for placing Srila Prabhupada's books into their hands, came to the temples, including some of them later moving in, accepting initiation, and becoming temple devotees.

Even after being "outside" the ISKCON institution (though I am ALWAYS "INSIDE" ISKCON - if you can understand what is truly meant by ISKCON), I continued my service, and still different people were coming due to Srila Prabhupada's books, their accepting the practices of Krsna consciousness. So as to why "not a single person" to whom you or your sankirtan godbrothers gave books didn't come, who knows... 

[B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP)]

Not a single person I gave a book to or collected donations from came to the feast.  I spoke about that to many of my sankirtan god-brothers and they all admitted the same results. 

Weird... Between the Middle East and African continent, many people who Srila Prabhupada gave books to through my hands, came to the temple, (when there was a temple in that area for them to come to). In the Middle Eastern countries, there are no temples. (Not allowed, and preaching anything other than Islam is not allowed, yet despite that, by Srila Prabhupada's mercy, Srila Prabhupada's books and Krsna consciousness was going out to people, and they were taking up Krsna consciousness, despite there not being any temples.)

On the African continent, people were also accepting Krsna consciousness, some people after having receiving books, moving into the temples. (And yes, in a few countries there, by Srila Prabhupada's mercy, Srila Prabhupada used this fallen jiva as an instrument to start temples on His behalf.) In M.East, only nama hattas could be started. 

Through Srila Prabhupada's mercy, some people to whom I was made an instrument for placing Srila Prabhupada's books into their hands, came to the temples, including some of them later moving in, accepting initiation, and becoming temple devotees.

Even after being "outside" the ISKCON institution (though I am ALWAYS "INSIDE" ISKCON - if you can understand what is truly meant by ISKCON), I continued my service, and still different people were coming due to Srila Prabhupada's books, their accepting the practices of Krsna consciousness. So as to why "not a single person" to whom you or your sankirtan godbrothers gave books didn't come, who knows... 

Every Sunday feast, my service was to greet new comers to the New Dwaraka Temple.  Not a single person I gave a book to or collected donations from came to the feast.  I spoke about that to many of my sankirtan god-brothers and they all admitted the same results.

Maybe that's why they didn't come. It's possible that people being told/knowing that you would be the one greeting them as newcomers, decided that they didn't want to come.  (That is supposed to be a joke, just in case you couldn't get it.) 

[B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP)]

Grow up and be a man... (or woman)

[B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP)]

Hare Krsna Guru Krsna prabhu,

All glories to His Divine Grace, Srila Prabhupada. Please accept my fallen obeisances.

I hope your sadhana and bhajan are going well.

(So you'll know, your present email is at the bottom. I'll send your comments on to that devotee who commented on your previous email.)

I'm surprised that you're writing to me again since you wrote previously (as you can see in your own emails contained), that you would not be writing back, but here you are again.

Here are your words (which you can see below in both your Dec 5th and then Dec 7th email).

From yesterday, your Dec 7th email:

I’ll be the gentleman to open the door and walk away. For it is time that we depart... such sweet company.  Au revoir

And from your Dec 5th email:

"This will be the last you’ll hear from me.  I won’t be addressing your e-mails at least for quite some time.  I have way too much on my proverbial plate to spend any more time with you as per our most recent discussion."

Since you're here, let me write you with this:

You wrote that you're not married; thus, you're either a brahmacari or a bachelor

Either or, since you have NO obligations other than to serve guru (as brahmacari), why is it that YOU are NOT going to China to set up that which you have been proposing to OTHERS to do?

From your own explanation of your set of circumstances, you are certain FREE!!! to go to China and "do the necessary" to do that which you are telling (DICTATING to) OTHERS to do.

So put your money where your mouth is, and stop being such a nonsense. May Srila Prabhupada and Krsna help you... 

And in regards to your other email concerning Srila Prabhupada's being given poison, you can reread the email I had previously sent to you, as I already answered whatever your points.

In consideration of your writing this, I’ll be the gentleman please be or at least start acting like a man, and stop acting like a stupid woman or a foolish child, because this is the behavior you've been exhibiting in all of your emails to me.

I'm praying that you please be well.

May we be safely situated under the shelter of Srila Prabhupada's Lotus Feet, Those of our Guru Varga, the Vaisnavas, and Sri Sri Radha and Krsna.

With love, 

Your servant, 

B. Radha-Govinda Swami
Hare Krsna

From: B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) <rgswa...@yahoo.com>
To: Geary Sheridan <gear...@ca.rr.com> 
Cc: "istag...@googlegroups.com" <istag...@googlegroups.com>; Gilbert Sanchez <gaudaca...@mac.com>; "isk...@yahoogroups.com" <isk...@yahoogroups.com>; larry freeman p <lak...@webtv.net>; jack Eskildsen <deadh...@yahoo.com> 

Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: A Few Points To Guru Krsna (Geary Sheridan) Prabhu

OK GK prabhu, I'm going down to reply your reply in red: 

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From: Geary Sheridan <gear...@ca.rr.com>
To: B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) <rgswa...@yahoo.com> 

Cc: "istag...@googlegroups.com" <istag...@googlegroups.com>; Gilbert Sanchez <gaudaca...@mac.com>; "isk...@yahoogroups.com" <isk...@yahoogroups.com>; larry freeman p <lak...@webtv.net>; jack Eskildsen <deadh...@yahoo.com>; Geary Sheridan <gear...@ca.rr.com> 
Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: A Few Points To Guru Krsna (Geary Sheridan) Prabhu

Dear B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP),

Please accept my humble obeisances.

All Glories to His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

You lost me there, for a moment, with your “Vibisan was a raksasa fully devoted to Ram."  Then I realized you meant Vibhee-shana.  The younger brother of the wicked Rakshasa king Ravana.  Nice reference. But your Benjamin Franklin cliche is a read flag. 

Funny, you're getting me on a typo error, (missing the "h" in Vibhisan), yet you've added an "a" in the word "red" - "read flag". In replying you back previously, I believe I corrected your typo/spelling error from your "ritvik" email your spelling rumor as rOmor. (I guess we all make typo errors, huh?)

On Feb 8, 2013, at 6:25 PM, Geary Sheridan wrote:

Its about envious (Ritvik) devotees who see only power and control for the newly appointed (ISKCON) gurus.  

These envious devotees started a deliberately cruel and violent romor that 'Prabhupada was poisoned,'  and then initiating finger pointing.

Incidentally, Vibhisan's name can be spelled with or without the "a" at the end, like Prabhupad[a].

 

Look, mataji, I’m not interested in getting married.  And even if I were; my family, their community and I have spent way too much time and money honing and refining the concepts of life I carry with me in my consciousness, to take any interest in the tornado-bait trailer-park white-trash hillbilly run-of-the-mill Vaisnava women, those Hare Krishna women I’ve come to know and love in the service of Srila Prabhupada, as more than god-sisters only!  

You sound pretty confused here prabhu... (Are you on LSD or something?) Read what you've written; on one hand "Vaisnava women," yet the words used previously in your description, they just don't "jive" together. 

(On the side, may I say that I have seen in previous emails from you, your hatred of devotees expressed.)

If you are a woman, I do hope you find your soulmate... if you haven’t already. 

Krsna's my soulmate. (He's sitting right next to me in my body's heart, in His Form of Lord Visnu. No better soulmate than Krsna.) I hope you know who your soulmate is. 

Or, if you are married...

I thought you knew better: If I was, "Swami" wouldn't be part of my name. (Are you sure you've been around since 1978?)

I respect you indulgences… in a kinda 'live dangerously over the internet insulting strangers using Prabhupada as weapon.' 

"Insulting strangers?" Where have I done this? In regards to you, I've simply replied your emails philosophically, etc., pointing out your nonsense, and in fact, [your] idiocy; your negating Srila Prabhupada's words.

But, as I’ve pointed out to you before.  You’re the delusional one.  You’re the one who always thinks that you’re the wise man (woman) that brings the six blind men touching the elephant into an accord.

I don't think myself "wise." I'm simply seeing through your foolishness, and I've addressed it. Sorry you weren't able to understand when I proved your specific example in this and other cases invalid. May I suggest you reread the email.

I offered you a way out of your madness. But obviously... you’re too jaded. 

Remember your "preaching" to Laxmi prabhu in your email?: "Point one finger, there are three pointing back"?

You've been given references from Sastra, from our Vaisnava Acaryas - Srilia Prabhupada and Predecessor Acaryas - and yet you still want to remain in your delusion. When you were not able to accept these quotes, in reply to a Bible quote you sent, I sent you verses from the 23rd chapter of Matthew. Still you haven't woken up. In seeing that since you weren't able to hear from the Sastras, our Vaisnava Acaryas, and Jesus Christ, I thought maybe you might be able to get woken up from hearing quotes from people like Benjamin Franklin, but even that didn't work. (Sadly, you're either in such delusional, or in your pretense of being awake, you cannot be awakened, at least not at this point in time.) I'll have to accept Jesus Christ's words in regards to refraining from giving pearls to those who aren't able to accept them.

Fine, I’ll be the gentleman to open the door and walk away. 

You already wrote that before, (and didn't hold to it). Hopefully you will do so now.

If you look at your own email from before, (contained below in the exchange)

From: Geary Sheridan <gear...@ca.rr.com>
To: B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) <rgswa...@yahoo.com> 

Cc: larry freeman p <lak...@webtv.net>; Geary Sheridan <gear...@ca.rr.com> 
Sent: Friday, December 5, 2014 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: A Few Points To Guru Krsna (Geary Sheridan) Prabhu

here's what you wrote:

"This will be the last you’ll hear from me.  I won’t be addressing your e-mails at least for quite some time.  I have way too much on my proverbial plate to spend any more time with you as per our most recent discussion." 

Yet, you didn't hold to it, and wrote back immediately... Hmmm... So let's see if you hold to it this time.

For it is time that we depart... such sweet company.  Au revoir, Vibhee-shana. 

And happy hunting… for a husband  lol !

Seems you're a bit mixed up. Vibhisan was male-bodied. He certainly wasn't looking for a husband. I guess you have to be filled in on that as well, yes?

But I thank you SO MUCH!!! for equating me to Vibhisan!!!, a pure devotee, completely devoted to Lord Rama. 

I pray that I may attain!!! the devotion of Vibhisan, and I ask your prayers in this regard. I pray that Srila Prabhupada will help you obtain good intelligence.

Your ever well-wisher,

Guru Krsna dasa

On Dec 7, 2014, at 10:49 AM, B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) <rgswa...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hare Krsna again Guru Krsna prabhu,

All glories to His Divine Grace, Srila Prabhupada. Please accept my fallen obeisances.

I hope your sadhana and bhajan are going well.

Think about this:

Hanuman served Lord Ramacandra using anger to burn down Lanka. Arjuna under Krsna's direction fought the Kauravas using anger in Krsna's service.

Vibisan was a raksasa fully devoted to Ram. So draw whatever conclusions you want. (You're living under your own delusions anyway.)

Since you don't approve of Srila Prabhupada's words nor those of our predecessor Vaisnava Acaryas, I'll leave you with these of Benjamin Franklin: "Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are."

As written to you before, a devotee should have intelligence to know who is deviating. Use your intelligence to surrender, but don’t surrender your intelligence.

If you haven't been able to get it by this time, then there's no more point in wasting any more time in trying to give you any assistance.

Surely I will pray to Srila Prabhupada that somehow, He will guide you. 

You please be well.

May we be safely situated under the shelter of Srila Prabhupada's Lotus Feet, Those of our Guru Varga, the Vaisnavas, and Sri Sri Radha and Krsna.

With love, 

Your servant,

B. Radha-Govinda Swami
Hare Krsna

"Vaisnavism is another name for simplicity. The servants of swan-like Vaisnavas are simple-hearted. That is why they are the best of brahmanas." (SBSST "Prabhupadera Upadesamrta")

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From: Geary Sheridan <gear...@ca.rr.com>
To: B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) <rgswa...@yahoo.com> 

Cc: "istag...@googlegroups.com" <istag...@googlegroups.com>; Gilbert Sanchez <gaudaca...@mac.com>; "isk...@yahoogroups.com" <isk...@yahoogroups.com>; larry freeman p <lak...@webtv.net>; jack Eskildsen <deadh...@yahoo.com>; Geary Sheridan <gear...@ca.rr.com> 
Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 2:16 AM
Subject: Re: A Few Points To Guru Krsna (Geary Sheridan) Prabhu

Dear B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP),

Please accept my humble obeisances.

All Glories to His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

So, are you suggesting mataji (?)  B. Radha-Govinda Swamiji (ACBSP), 

that the content of your character and your physical appearance 

is akin to that of a flying cartoon witch and a tattooed rakshasa, 

in this lifetime; and in your own angry, envious and delusional way, 

you serve Srila Prabhupada and Sri Sri Radha-Govinda?

That makes sense; in a Yamaduta kinda way.

What does the “B” stand for in B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP)?

Waiting with baited breath.

Your ever well-wisher,

Guru Krsna dasa

On Dec 6, 2014, at 10:27 PM, B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) <rgswa...@yahoo.com> wrote:

I JUST NOW got you a picture of me:

On Dec 6, 2014, at 9:58 PM, B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) <rgswa...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Guru Krsna prabhu,

Hare Krsna again, and all glories to His Divine Grace, Srila Prabhupada. 

Please accept my fallen obeisances.

I hope your sadhana and bhajan are going well.

Ratna Bhusana prabhu from your description sounds like a wonderful devotee. Sounds like he can help you with regards to your poropsed center in China.

A sannyasi is considered civilly dead.

As I don't go taking pictures of myself, I don't have any. Actually I have one, but that wouldn't be good for you, because it's when I was in ME, wearing the burka, someone's taking a surprise picture of me (without my knowing. I have to wear the burka while serving in these countries).

My "resume/biography" is that I fell to this material world, was born in countless numbers of bodies to countless numbers of mothers and fathers, came to the human form in this lifetime, and took shelter of my real Father, His Divine Grace, Srila Prabhupada, and have attempted to serve His Lotus Feet thoughout my soujourn in this body since coming to Srila Prabhupada's Lotus Feet.

Rest of the biography, is that at some point, I will leave this body, and the rest of the story will be up to Srila Prabhupada and Krsna.

Don't be too interested in me: I'm not available. 

You please be well, and keep chanting.

May we be safely situated under the shelter of Srila Prabhupada's Lotus Feet, Those of our Guru Varga, the 

Vaisnavas, and Sri Sri Radha and Krsna.

dإن شاء الله سوف نذهب إلى المنزل

With love, 

Your servant, 

B. Radha-Govinda Swami
Hare Krsna

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From: Geary Sheridan <gear...@ca.rr.com>
To: B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) <rgswa...@yahoo.com> 

Cc: "istag...@googlegroups.com" <istag...@googlegroups.com>; Gilbert Sanchez <gaudaca...@mac.com>; "isk...@yahoogroups.com" <isk...@yahoogroups.com>; larry freeman p <lak...@webtv.net>; jack Eskildsen <deadh...@yahoo.com>; Geary Sheridan <gear...@ca.rr.com> 
Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2014 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: A Few Points To Guru Krsna (Geary Sheridan) Prabhu

Dear B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP),

Please accept my humble obeisances.

All Glories to His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

Ratna Bhusana dasa is one of the most beloved Vaisnava devotees in the ISKCON community.  He and I were both initiated AUG 1979 on Janmastami in New Dwaraka.  Both Ratna Bhusana dasa and I received our Harinam initiation from Srila Rameswara Maharaja that day.  Ratna Bhusana dasa is one of, if not, the most devout, non-envious, non-faultfinding, selfless, consistently hardworking Vaisnava devotees in the New Dwaraka I have ever met.  He has been non-stop for over thirty years.  Some say that he has the energy of ten young men. Ratna Bhusana dasa is a dear heart.

Sadly, aside from the tone and character of you e-mail’s, I really don’t know who you are, B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP).  I tried to research your name on various Vaisnava web-pages like: Srila Prabhupada Disciple Database I Sp Disciples http://sp.krishna.com ;  HER Holiness Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) http://oppositerule.govindapeacefarm.com/?p=546 ; with no avail in finding your resume/biography and or a picture of you to know who it is I am conversing with.

If it is no trouble to you, please send me a current picture of yourself and your resume/biography.

Waiting with baited anticipation.

Your ever well-wisher,

Guru Krsna dasa

Begin forwarded message:

Date: December 6, 2014 at 8:21:00 PM PST

From: "B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP)" <rgswa...@yahoo.com>

Reply-To: "B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP)" <rgswa...@yahoo.com>

To: Geary Sheridan <gear...@ca.rr.com>

Cc: "istag...@googlegroups.com" <istag...@googlegroups.com>, Gilbert Sanchez <gaudaca...@mac.com>, "isk...@yahoogroups.com" <isk...@yahoogroups.com>, larry freeman p <lak...@webtv.net>, jack Eskildsen <deadh...@yahoo.com>

Subject: Re: A Few Points To Guru Krsna (Geary Sheridan) Prabhu

By the way, Guru Krsna prabhu, you sound like you need a good wife who can help instruct you.

               صلى الله عليك

On Dec 6, 2014, at 8:06 PM, B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) <rgswa...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Don't know who Ratna Bhusana is. (Maybe you can get him to take charge of your China center.)

السلام عليكم بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم والرأفة

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From: Geary Sheridan <gear...@ca.rr.com>
To: B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) <rgswa...@yahoo.com> 

Cc: "istag...@googlegroups.com" <istag...@googlegroups.com>; Gilbert Sanchez <gaudaca...@mac.com>; "isk...@yahoogroups.com" <isk...@yahoogroups.com>; larry freeman p <lak...@webtv.net>; jack Eskildsen <deadh...@yahoo.com>; Geary Sheridan <gear...@ca.rr.com> 
Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2014 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: A Few Points To Guru Krsna (Geary Sheridan) Prabhu

My dear B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP),

Please accept my humble obeisances.

All Glories to His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

As for your PS.  Ratna Bhusana of New Dwaraka still keeps in touch with Ramesvara dasa.  

I too have a deep respect for Ramesvara dasa, as do I for all of Srila Prabhupada’s disciples.  

All glories to the Vaishnava devotees of the Lord!  Whose service is under Sri Krishna’s personal direction. 

All glories to His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

Your ever well-wisher,

Guru Krsna dasa

On Dec 6, 2014, at 6:15 PM, B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) <rgswa...@yahoo.com> wrote:

PS: Maybe you need to take shelter of your guru Ramesvara Maharaj again? 

Hare Krsna again Guru Krsna prabhu,

All glories to His Divine Grace, Srila Prabhupada. Please accept my fallen obeisances.

I hope your sadhana and bhajan are going well.

I'm glad, as you wrote, that you're, "very pleased with your [my] progress," and since you wrote, "You have my blessings in the recruiting process," I thank you for your blessings. (I need such blessings, even from you, in the countries where I go to distribute Srila Prabhupada's books.)

My concern is that Srila Prabhupada be pleased, so please give me your blessings that I continue to be pleasing in my service to His Divine Grace, Srila Prabhupada, and please be assured that I will be putting in prayers to His Divine Grace, Srila Prabhupada, for your spiritual progress.

Thank you for your invitation to China, but no thanks. I already have my service, and in a place where I know such service is pleasing to Srila Prabhupada, because Srila Prabhupada said so. 

I distribute Srila Prabhupada's books in countries where ISKCON devotees haven't gone.

Maybe I should bring you to these places?

Since you're keeping yourself so busy in writing to others about creating such a publishing facility, why don't you use your money to build a BBT(I) press in China and you head it up? 

You're so busy writing about it, so DO!!! something...

As they say, "Put your money where your mouth is," so get off of your derriere, and do (what you consider), the needful. (After all, your name is Guru Krsna Das, so why not render such a service to Guru and Krsna, as for sure certainly in rendering such a service as this, you will be pleasing to Them if you do.)

A suggestion: There's a "Dasa" at the end of your name. May I suggest that you please remember this, and stop thinking yourself to be a controller/the controller over others. May I also suggest that unless someone asks you for your input, you stop telling other people what YOU!!! THINK!!! their service "should" be.

If you're not already married, maybe you need to get a wife, since you have some need to tell others what you think they "should" do. And if you have a wife, then keep your instructions to your wife. (If you're a grhastha, that's part of your duty.)

When you become my guru or husband, then you can consider giving me some instruction, but you're neither, don't even go there. (And by the way, you're not qualified for either.)

It's not for me to take instruction from a foolish person like you, and the sad fact is that the more you write, the more foolish you're showing yourself to be. 

Do you really want to continue to embarrASS (as bare ass, or bare your ass) yourself further?

As you wrote, "Srila Prabhupada will be very pleased to see your progress," we will have to allow Srila Prabhupada decide as to whether He is or isn't pleased with my progress.

Why not be concerned if Srila Prabhupada is being pleased with your progress. That would be most logical.

If you need my help as your mother, please make sure to ask.

I'm praying that you please be well.

May we be safely situated under the shelter of Srila Prabhupada's Lotus Feet, Those of our Guru Varga, the Vaisnavas, and Sri Sri Radha and Krsna.

With love, 

Your servant,

B. Radha-Govinda Swami
Hare Krsna

---

From: Geary Sheridan <gear...@ca.rr.com>
To: B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) <rgswa...@yahoo.com> 

Cc: Gilbert Sanchez <gaudaca...@mac.com>; ista-...@yahoogroups.com; isk...@yahoogroups.com; larry freeman p <lak...@webtv.net>; jack Eskildsen <deadh...@yahoo.com>; Geary Sheridan <gear...@ca.rr.com> 
Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2014 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: PS: Dec 6: Hare Krsna

Dear B. Radha-Govinda Swami,

Please accept my humble obeisances.

All Glories to His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

I am very pleased with your progress.  You are starting to understand how important it is to get along with your godbrothers in ISKCON and work to translate Bhagavad-gita As It Is into Mandarin from the english version.  We will need many book distributors as you pointed out.  You have my blessings in the recruiting process.  Please build a BBT Press (Printing Company) in Beijing, China, to print Bhagavad-gita As It Is from the english translation into Mandarin.  Eventually, we want to be able to print and publish the entire Srimad-Bhagavatam in Mandarin; the entire Sri Chaitanya-caritamrta in Mandarin, all in-house.    My dear B. Radha-Govinda Swami, you could head-up this project and recruit very nice devotees to distribute these wonderful books.   Start a temple there then oversee the setup process for the BBT.  Srila Prabhupada will be very pleased to see your progress.

Your ever well-wisher,

Guru Krsna dasa

On Dec 6, 2014, at 3:22 PM, B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) <rgswa...@yahoo.com> wrote:

PS:  When ISKCON leadership FOLLOW Srila Prabhupada's instructions, your dream WILL come true.

Dear Guru Krsna prabhu,

Hare Krsna again, and all glories to Srila Prabhupada. Please accept my fallen obeisances.

I hope your sadhana and bhajan are going well.

Prabhu, not only did Srila Prabhupada want His books printed, but Srila Prabhupada wanted them to be distributed!

What's the point of printing books if no one is going to distribute them? 

And what's the point of distributing books, if there isn't a good "follow-up" for people to see a proper example of people who are living in accordance with what is taught in Srila Prabhupada's books. Thus all of it has to be put together (properly), meaning printing, distributing, and puka!!! examples.

(Incidentally, there are people who, after reading Srila Prabhupada's books, come, even move into a temple, and accept initiation. They are serious about in their following of Krsna consciousness, but then they have the bad experience of seeing their leadership (sometimes even their own guru) acting in disaccordance with Srila Prabhupada's instructions. So they end up leaving; not because of a "ritvik" devotee preaching to them, but seeing wrong things going on within ISKCON.

A "win win" would be

• for ISKCON leaders to START FOLLOWING SRILA PRABHUPADA'S INSTRUCTIONS TO THEM on how to live their own spiritual lives and how to MANAGE PROPERLY SRILA PRABHUPADA'S ISKCON society

•  for ISKCON leaders to stop their STEALING!!! of money that SHOULD be going to printing Srila Prabhupada's books, as well as other things such $ should be going for. (Stop avoiding the FACTS!!! that SO MANY of these ISKCON leaders are STEALING!!! SO MUCH MONEY FOR THEMSELVES.)*** 

• for ISKCON leaders to bring (GENUINELY invite) back devotees they have PUSHED OUT of Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON
  

More can be said, but even just these few three things would make a HUGE!!! difference, and would enable for more $ to be put towards the translation and publishing of Srila Prabhupada's books, including having devotees who would render the service withOUT!!! taking a salary for their service.

Whiile serving within ISKCON I got NO!!! money in regards to my services, including in regards to my services rendered in the ME and African continent. In fact I PAID FOR EVERYTHING - travel expense, books, Prasada distribution, EVERYTHING - after having received a monetary settlement, ALL of which I used in Krsna's service. (I kept NOTHING!!! for myself.)

After getting pushed out of ISKCON (because of Bhaktitirtha's murders of devotees that he had to cover up, his also trying to get me killed both on the African continent as well as in the US, because of my knowing about his problems and subsequent arranged murders), I accepted menial jobs in the "karmi" world, my using that $ from my earnings to purchase and distribute Srila Prabhupada's books (for free), including going back to the African continent and ME. Devotees are being made there.

*** There are plenty of devotees in China (who speak English), who can translate Srila Prabhupada's books. Tell the GBC of China to ask these devotees to do so, and tell the ISKCON leaders to give up some of their millions of dollars so these books can get printed...

It seems you're really "hung up" on Ritvik devotees. (I'm not.)

Do you have some problem with my rendering the service I am in regards to distributing Srila Prabhupada's books?

I'm praying that you please be well.

May we be safely situated under the shelter of Srila Prabhupada's Lotus Feet, Those of our Guru Varga, the Vaisnavas, and Sri Sri Radha and Krsna.

With love, 

Your servant,

B. Radha-Govinda Swami
Hare Krsna

---

From: Geary Sheridan <gear...@ca.rr.com>
To: B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) <rgswa...@yahoo.com> 

Cc: larry freeman p <lak...@webtv.net>; B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) <rgswa...@yahoo.com> 
Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2014 3:02 AM
Subject: Re: Certainly: (Departing on Friendly Terms)

Dear B. Radha-Govinda Swami,

Please accept my humble obeisances.

All Glories to His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

Thank you for your kind words.  Something puzzles me though. I’m pretty sure Srila Prabhupada emphasized publishing His books.  Not so much “...pointing out who is not a saint.”  Granted, there are many "Prabhupada said" references to "guru, shastra, sadhu" and “Parampara."  When you suggested that the BBT translate Bagavad-gita As It Is into Swahili, I think you may have misunderstood my point.  Srila Prabhupada said, “If you love Me, print my books.”  It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand that Srila Prabhupada wanted His books published for everyone on earth, in every language on earth. I suggested an accord, between the Ritvik humanist pragmatics and the ISKCON traditional literalists, to begin the healing process, by working together.  Mandarin is spoken by more people in the world today than any other language  http://listverse.com/2008/06/26/top-10-most-spoken-languages-in-the-world/ .   More than 1 billion people speak Mandarin as a first language.  On the other hand, only 20 million people speak Swahili as a first and only language http://www.mapsofworld.com/pages/tongues-of-world/languages/swahili/ .  If only the BBT could find a qualified team of Brahma-Madhva-Gaudiya Parampara Vaishnava English to Mandarin translators.  Wouldn’t it be lovely - to translate, publish and distribute Bhagavad-gita As It Is, as a cooperative effort between the Ritviks and ISKCON, on mainland China?  Could you agree that that would be a win win for Srila Prabhupada’s mission?  I have a dream, that ISKCON will return to ‘the good ole days.”  Those days in the 70’s.  When Srila Prabhupada was healthy and there was no conflict that could not be solved.

Your ever well-wisher,

Guru Krsna dasa

On Dec 5, 2014, at 7:00 PM, B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) <rgswa...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Hare Krsna again Guru Krsna prabhu,

All glories to His Divine Grace, Srila Prabhupada. Please accept my fallen obeisances.

I hope your sadhana and bhajan are going well.

No problem, you write/don't write.

Certainly we are on friendly terms. Just because we exchange "heavy" words in regards to disagreement, doesn't mean there is no "friendly".

In my writing to you, "Please be well.  May we be safely situated under the shelter of Srila Prabhupada's Lotus Feet, Those of our Guru Varga, the Vaisnavas, and Sri Sri Radha and Krsna. With love, Your servant, B. Radha-Govinda Swami, Hare Krsna,” I meant that. You are my son, and I care about you. (That's why I took the time to write so extensively my replies.)

I certainly do remember your name Guru Krsna, from years ago (at some point) our writing, though I can't remember at all what our correspondence was about from those times or what years it was that we were writing; maybe around 2003???.

Just to clarify, my writing in reply to your first and other emails in this exchange have nothing to do with "ritivk"/"non-ritvik," but rather with demonic mentality and deviation on the part of the general ISKCON leadership.

Between knowing things in general, in regards to what's happened in ISKCON, and in doing free counseling 

in hearing things from devotees in regards to what they went through personally (and with whom), I speak out in regards to the wrong things going on regarding present-day ISKCON. It has always been my nature, (even since a very small child), to stand up for justice. How can I "keep quiet," when I see Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON in its present state, and especially when I KNOW!!! that Srila Prabhupada would be EXTREMELY DISTURBED!!! As Srila Prabhupada's daughter, it's my DUTY!!! to speak up.

Silence allows for perpetrators to continue and even increase their perpetrations.

Let's see what happens in the future. You may find with time, that you will be agreeing with what I wrote.

I know FOR SURE!!! that certain ISKCON leaders are out and out DEMONS!!!, and that the GBC is NOT!!! following in accordance with Srila Prabhupada's instructions, and this has NOTHING to do with "ritvik," "non-ritvik." 

There are demonic people among the "ritvik" devotees as well. 

A demon is a demon wherever they may be, whether in this or that group.

As Srila Prabhupada said, on an April 10, 1974 morning walk, "Our business is to point out who is not a saint."

Don't take my writing to you in a wrong way. 

In difference of understanding, words presented can be very strong. 

Here is the example Srila Prabhupada gave in His August 9 letter to Sumati Morarjee: "For example, we see that two lawyers in the courtroom may fight vigorously about a law point, but upon returning to the law library, they talk and embrace like friends... Devotees always humbly offer respect to everyone, but when there is a discussion on a point of sastra, they do not observe the usual etiquette, satyam bruyat priyam bruyat. They speak only the satyam, although it may not necessarily be priyam."  

Out of love and concern, a person will care about others, even to speak in a way that someone else may not agree with, or like.

Srila Prabhupada came to cut out our illusions. As Srila Prabhupada's daughter, I also speak up, though not as sweetly as my Father.

From Benjamin Franklin: "Justice will not be served until those who are unaffected are as outraged as those who are."

You please be well, and may we be safely situated under the shelter of Srila Prabhupada's Lotus Feet, Those of our Guru Varga, the Vaisnavas, and Sri Sri Radha and Krsna.

With love, 

Your servant,

B. Radha-Govinda Swami
Hare Krsna

"Vaisnavism is another name for simplicity. The servants of swan-like Vaisnavas are simple-hearted. That is why they are the best of brahmanas." (SBSST "Prabhupadera Upadesamrta")

---

From: Geary Sheridan <gear...@ca.rr.com>
To: B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) <rgswa...@yahoo.com> 

Cc: larry freeman p <lak...@webtv.net>; Geary Sheridan <gear...@ca.rr.com> 
Sent: Friday, December 5, 2014 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: A Few Points To Guru Krsna (Geary Sheridan) Prabhu

Dear B. Radha-Govinda Swami

Please accept my humble obeisances.

All Glories to His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

You said, "please be well.  May we be safely situated under the shelter of Srila Prabhupada's Lotus Feet, Those of our Guru Varga, the Vaisnavas, and Sri Sri Radha and Krsna.  With love, Your servant, B. Radha-Govinda Swami, Hare Krsna.” 

Let us depart on friendly terms.  We both know who each other is, from our exchange of correspondence over the years, and from our personal investigative means.  From time to time, I test the water between us to see how things are going.  Both of us are 'set in our ways’, and, will most likely remain that way for the rest of our lives.  Along time ago I reviled and made clear the fundamental purpose and battle strategy for the anti-ISKCON/ Ritvik groups (please see below).  I Still believe my insight holds as true yesterday as it does today. lol  Good luck, general B.  This will be the last you’ll hear from me.  I won’t be addressing your e-mails at least for quite some time.  I have way too much on my proverbial plate to spend any more time with you as per our most recent discussion.  So, for your pleasure and quite possibly your much needed edification, please enjoy this blast from the past:

On Feb 8, 2013, at 6:25 PM, Geary Sheridan wrote:

Its about envious (Ritvik) devotees who see only power and control for the newly appointed (ISKCON) gurus.  

These envious devotees started a deliberately cruel and violent romor that 'Prabhupada was poisoned,'  and then initiating finger pointing.

Divide and conquer!  Even today, to keep alive and ever-fresh for discussion, the Western Progressive Ritvik propaganda machine 

has set in motion a new culprit, they are saying, is responsible for  'Prabhupada was poisoned.'  A Gauda Math disciple.  

Just more smoke and mirrors.  But see, if their plan works, they're hoping to silence ISKCON, 

on the 'Prabhupada was poisoned' scandal, with a believable scapegoat.

Like any typical demonic plan, it is purposefully complicated and well thought out.

Everything that started this fraudulent and perverse Western Progressive Ritvik empire was built on a lie!

But the jewel in the crown, and the very corner stone of this coup d'etat (rebellion to overthrow ISKCON),

is a letter that these Western Progressive Ritvik 'top down' propagandist generals 

of the three-tiered (top down; bottom up; inside out), 

Marxist / Leninist / Progressive, Democratic Socialist / Communist, "FISHCON" hating Ritvik's, covet most of all.

The 9 July, 1977, letter, that, when interpreted as follows (see intro to letter below), has the potency to crumble the very foundation 

on an all encompassing lie - the lie that the Western Progressive Ritvik empire is built upon.

The following is my take.  The Creme de la Creme.  The very corner stone of the Western Progressive Ritvik's foundation.

Please read carefully.  And, as one Western Progressive Ritvik repetitiously said, "judge for yourself:"

Hare Krsna,

PAMHO AGTSP.

The following is a sincere attempt, at one perspective, on the interpretation of that 9 July, 1977 letter and the importance of Parampara:
The following letter instructs appointed representatives to act as ritvik... and to be sent... to Srila Prabhupada.  
"Act" refers to "a temporary appointment" while Srila Prabhupada is still alive!  
"Sent" refers to "a condition" while Srila Prabhupada is still alive!  How can you "send" unless Prabhupada is alive to receive?
A temporary appointment with a condition - Only as long as Srila Prabhupada is alive!  
After that, these "acting" ritvik representatives must now represent all of the acharyas in an unbroken line of disciplic succession - Parampara.
This "Letter to: All G.B.C., All Temple Presidents," is a transitional instruction only!  
After Srila Prabhupada's passing (suggestive), the temporary appointment - as acting ritviks - for the last days of Srila Prabhupada life,
were to be but "training wheels," per-say, and then taken-off, to be given full appointment, for the "big bike" duties that lie ahead. 
Without offense, one could say -  that because of Srila Prabhupada's ill condition, and because Srila Prabhupada wanted to secure
more first and second initiates while he was still alive, to be placed in His Divine Grace's "Initiated Disciples" book,
a temporary interim Ritvik transitional appointment was put into place.  
Traditional literalism can sanction no more that a temporary detour from the standards described in shasta and tradition. 
"Parampara" cannot and should not ever be compromised!  It is the duty of ISKCON's traditional literalists to keep alive this Parampara.  
And never, under any circumstance, give-in to this Ritvik humanistic pragmatist notion that Parampara is obsolete 
due to no living pure devotees or until the coming of a pure devotee.
Yhs - Guru Krsna dasa

The following letter is an exact replica. Certain words have been highlighted to emphasize crucial importance. 

Letter to: All G.B.C., All Temple Presidents

—

Vrindaban

9 July, 1977

77-07-09

To All G.B.C., and Temple Presidents

Dear Maharajas and Prabhus,

Please accept my humble obeisances at your feet. Recently when all of the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana, 

Srila Prabhupada indicated that soon He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as "ritvik - representative of the acarya, 

for the purpose of performing initiations, both first initiation and second initiation. 

His Divine Grace has so far given a list of eleven disciples who will act in that capacity:

His Holiness Kirtanananda SwamiHis 

Holiness Satsvarupa dasa Gosvami

His Holiness Jayapataka Swami

His Holiness Tamala Krsna Gosvami

His Holiness Hrdayananda Gosvami

His Holiness Bhavananda Gosvami

His Holiness Hamsaduta Swami

His Holiness Ramesvara Swami

His Holiness Harikesa Swami

His Grace Bhagavan dasa Adhikari

His Grace Jayatirtha dasa Adhikari

In the past Temple Presidents have written to Srila Prabhupada recommending a particular devotee's initiation. 

Now that Srila Prabhupada has named these representatives, Temple Presidents may henceforward send recommendation for first and second initiation 

to whichever of these eleven representatives are nearest their temple. After considering the recommendation, these representatives may accept the devotee 

as an initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupada by giving a spiritual name, or in the case of second initiation, by chanting on the Gayatri thread, just as Srila Prabhupada has done. 

The newly initiated devotees are disciples of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad, the above eleven senior devotees acting as His representative. 

After the Temple President receives a letter from these representatives giving the spiritual name or the thread, he can perform the fire yajna in the temple as was being done before. 

The name of a newly initiated disciple should be sent by the representative who has accepted him or her to Srila Prabhupada, to be included in His Divine Grace's "Initiated Disciples" book.

Hoping this finds you all well.

     Your servant,Approved:

Tamala Krsna Gosvami

A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Secretary to Srila Prabhupada

On Feb 7, 2013, at 3:29 PM, larry freeman p wrote:

http://www.harekrishnagate.com/news29.htm

On Feb 8, 2013, at 2:29 PM, B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) wrote:

Dear Guru Krsna prabhu,  Hare Krsna. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. Please accept my fallen obeisances. There is only ONE "type" of Christian s/he who is following Jesus Christ. True.  Unfortunately, they tend to disagree.  Consider the history of Protistans and Catholics in Northern Ireland. Isn't this thread about whether or not Srila Prabhupada was given poison (in regards to Srila Prabhupada's vapuh)? No.  This thread is about the real poison - the lies that are polluting the collective consciousness of this universe. Why are you bringing up "ISKCON" "ritvik" "Sampradaya Sun," etc.? ISKCON is PRABHUPADA.  The Western Progressive "Ritvik" propaganda machine, i.e.: Sampradaya Sun, etc., is a separate collective entity that is polluting the collective consciousness of this universe. Devotees within all of the "groups" - ISKCON, ritvik, NM, etc. - either believe or don't believe that Srila Prabhupada was given poison. (If you're thinking that no GBC people believe that Srila Prabhupada was given poison, you're wrong.) No where do I say, what you are accusing me of.  In regards to "wolves in sheep's clothing," this has to do only with the heart of a specific individual, where we know that in ANY group, be it a person "within" the ISKCON institution or not - may or may not be a "wolf in sheep's clothing."  There are honest and dishonest people, people who are aspiring to become Vaisnavas, and others who are kali celas in all of the groups.  May we be among those who are aspiring to become Vaisnavas. You please be well, and may we be safely situated under the shelter of Srila Prabhupada's Lotus Feet, Those of our Guru Varga, the Vaisnavas, and Sri Sri Radha and Krsna. With love,  Your servant,  B. Radha-Govinda Hare Krsna --- On Thu, 2/7/13, Geary Sheridan <gear...@ca.rr.com> wrote:

From: Geary Sheridan <gear...@ca.rr.com> Subject: Re: [Prabhupadanuga] Re: Srila Prabhupada was Not Poisoned! To: "B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP)" <rgswa...@yahoo.com>

Cc: istag...@googlegroups.com, "Pratyatosa ACBSP" <praty...@gmail.com>, "Alex Alex" <bhakt...@yahoo.com>, pg1...@netzero.com, "Naveen Khurana" <Navee...@gmail.com>, "nico kuyt" <srigo...@gmail.com>, "Adri" <i...@iskconirm.com>, in...@prabhupadanugas.eu, "larry freeman p" <lak...@webtv.net>, "Geary Sheridan" <gear...@ca.rr.com> Date: Thursday, February 7, 2013, 11:11 PM It's not so difficult to comprehend that maya is inconceivably incomprehensible!   You may try, and your sincere efforts are commendable, but you cannot hide the fact  that the Western Progressive Rivik hate propaganda machine has an agenda.   The following is my take on it: Did you know that there are only two types of Christians!?   The Catholics and the Protestants.  The Catholics, like ISKCON, are all traditional literalists.   The Protestants, like those Vaishnavas that subscribe to the anti-ISKCON propaganda,  like that found in Prabhupada Vision, Back to Prabhupada, Sampradaya Sun , etc., are all humanistic pragmatists.   The fundamental difference between the traditional literalists and the humanistic pragmatists is that the pragmatic understanding  sees "time, place, and circumstance" as an indefinite license to innovate.   On the other hand, the traditional literalists believe that "time, place, and circumstance"  can sanction no more than a temporary detour from the standards described in shastra and tradition;   like the temporary ritvik appointment Srila Prabhupada made shortly before his disappearance.   Bottom line:  There 'is' just one Catholic and Apostolic Church.   In the United States of America, there are over 100,000 Protestant religions,  all claiming to have an indefinite license to innovate, all claiming to be the one true religion.   ISKCON represents the Brahma Madhava Gaudiya Vaisnava Sampradaya and the Parampara.   The anti-ISKCON Vaisnava groups have done away with Parampara  and therefore put a halt on disciplic succession;  believing, like the Protestant Christians, that they have an indefinite license to innovate.   In the future, ISKCON will prevail;  and in due time, the science of Bhagavad-gita As It Is will eventually be lost,  to those who subscribe to the Western Progressive Ritviks who are attempting to abolish Parampara.   History has so often repeated itself that it should be very simple for you to comprehend this scenario.   First, these Western Progressive Ritviks claim that they are preserving Srila Prabhupada's original texts'.   Then, they say that Prabhupada was poisoned by ISKCON leaders.   Eventually setting themselves up as the new and original representatives of Srila Prabhupada's mission, they disavow ISKCON authority and condemn anyone who sides with ISKCON and the 'concept' of Parampara.   Once these Western Progressive Ritvik humanistic pragmatists gain a stronghold on all those skeptical ISKCON neophytes that have authority issues, the 'top down' propagandist generals move boldly ahead,  putting their resources into full game strategy mode.   And, as Srila Prabhupada once said, "If you say to them that there are no rules, everyone will follow."   This is the ultimate poison.  The real poison that poisoned Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON.     Second, the wolf in sheep's clothing  ....a bourgeois 'inside out' organizer.   This will take cunning pathological persuasive skill.  Trained in the art of deception, brainwashed by the bombardment of conspiracy theories  found on the internet, so as to become completely numb to any truth or difference of opinion: other than the dictations of the supreme 'top down' propagandist generals,   this kind of soldier goes into the den [the ISKCON TEMPLE COMMUNITY] and makes friends - only to turn them against FishCON [ a term these Western Progressive Ritviks  use shamelessly to dehumanize ISKCON devotees that won't convert to their humanist pragmatic view].  Then lastly, and probably the largest group  of the three-tiered Marxist / Leninist / Progressive, Democratic Socialist / Communist, "FISHCON" hating Ritvik's,  is the proletariat shudra cast 'bottom up' protagonists [mostly small-minded superstitious barnyard farm-animal conspiracy theory type believers] that make your life miserable.   Top down, bottom up, inside out!  That is how the Western Progressive Ritviks plan to take the ISKCON Bangalore Temple, secure its big donors and capitalize on its sankirtan devotees.

On Dec 5, 2014, at 8:40 AM, B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) <rgswa...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Guru Krsna prabhu,

Hare Krsna. All glories to His Divine Grace, Srila Prabhupada. Please accept my fallen obeisances.

I hope your sadhana and bhajan are going well.

Turn your words around towards yourself: "When someone points a finger at you there are three fingers pointing back." 

Jealous fault finder is one thing. An honest person pointing out the facts to try to help someone wake up is another. Sometimes when someone is that much asleep, the other person trying to wake them up will use loud volume to try to get them to wake up.

Sadly Guru Krsna prabhu, you're asleep. I was told that you're an older devotee, but sadly either very asleep or pretending to be so, or a super-compromiser. 

You can't/won't even reply to the questions previously asked of you.

Why don’t these troubled souls take refuge in a productive accord with ISKCON to secure translating, publishing and distributing Bhagavad-gita As It Is in Arabic and Mandarin instead of living a lie of self deception?

Some of us "troubled souls," feel "troubled" enough that we go and distribute Srila Prabhupada's books and try to preach as best as possible to others what Srila Prabhupada has presented in His books, Srila Prabhupada's books being a translation of the specific Sastras He translated, along with His Bhaktivedanta Purports.

Regarding feeling "troubled," empathetic, a sense of compassion (in regards to seeing the suffering of others, including the devotees), here are some excerpts from what Srila Prabhupada wrote in His "Krsna Book," in the chapter "Deliverance of Nalakuvara and Manigriva," "A poor man often does not wish to inflict injuries to other bodies because he can understand more readily that when he himself is injured he feels pain... A person who has a pinprick in his body does not wish others to be pricked by pins; a considerate man in the life of poverty does not wish others to be also put into that condition. Generally it is seen that one who has risen from a poverty-stricken life and becomes wealthy creates some charitable institution at the end of his life so that other poverty-stricken men might be benefited. In short, a compassionate poor man may consider others' pains and pleasures with empathy."

Also to be noted:

"A poor man may be seldom puffed with false pride, and he may be freed from all kinds of infatuation. He may remain satisfied by whatever he gets for his maintenance by the grace of the Lord.

To remain in the poverty-stricken condition is a kind of austerity. According to Vedic culture, therefore, the brahmanas, as a matter of routine, keep themselves in a poverty-stricken condition to save themselves from the false prestige of material opulence. False prestige due to advancement of material prosperity is a great impediment for spiritual emancipation... According to the Vedic system, a saintly person takes the position of a mendicant so that on the plea of begging something from the householder, he can enter any house."

Why not you go and ask those SINyasis possessed of MILLIONS of dollars/euros, to donate you or the BBTI money for getting Srila Prabhupada's books translated (or reprinted). The Bhagavad-gita As It Is was already translated into Arabic and other languages (you had mentioned in your listing of languages).

For your information, for years (since the very early 1980s,) I've been going to ME distributing Srila Prabhupada's books in different Muslim countries. Go and look at this article here. I submitted it. If you don't believe i, you can write and ask Rocana prabhu.

So what are YOU doing (previously asked) to see to the translation or publication of Srila Prabhupada's books in other languages. (By the way, you might consider having Srila Prabhupada's books published in Swahili, as this language is spoken by many people on the Eastern and Central part of Africa. I'm not writing this as a joke, but seriously.)

May I suggest you read the statement referred to you from our Acaryas and Srimad Bhagavatam.

A devotee should have intelligence to know who is deviating. Surrender with your intelligence but don’t surrender your intelligence.

You please be well.

May we be safely situated under the shelter of Srila Prabhupada's Lotus Feet, Those of our Guru Varga, the Vaisnavas, and Sri Sri Radha and Krsna.

With love, 

Your servant,

B. Radha-Govinda Swami
Hare Krsna

From: Geary Sheridan <gear...@ca.rr.com>
To: larry freeman p <lak...@webtv.net> 
Cc: B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) <rgswa...@yahoo.com>; Geary Sheridan <gear...@ca.rr.com> 
Sent: Friday, December 5, 2014 5:28 AM
Subject: Re: A Few Points To Guru Krsna (Geary Sheridan) Prabhu

Dear Laksminarasimha dasa,

Please accept my humble obeisances.

All Glories to His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

Just more jealous ranting from that finger-pointing envious / hate group istag...@googlegroups.com.  

Remember when we were kids and your elders said that when someone points a finger at you there are three fingers pointing back at the jealous fault finder?

When will you begin to think for yourself, instead of being tossed around by the waves of your mind with no steadfast and unshakable direction in pursuit of your own spiritual atonement?

Being influenced by such delusional justification and unwavering hate speech is the business of a hive-mind with ‘mad insect’ mentality.

Why don’t these troubled souls take refuge in a productive accord with ISKCON to secure translating, publishing and distributing Bhagavad-gita As It Is in Arabic and Mandarin instead of living a lie of self deception?

Yhs GKd

On Dec 4, 2014, at 5:37 PM, larry freeman p <lak...@webtv.net> wrote:

why do you continue to support such 'devotees'?
 

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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2014 02:42:43 +0000
From: istag...@googlegroups.com
To: istag...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Few Points To Guru Krsna (Geary Sheridan) Prabhu

Hare Krsna,

I read a good thing on Pada's site saying you don't have to serve iskcon if it is full of pseudo devotees. I am not saying it is is or is not because I have never associated with Iskcon only associated with Prabhupada through his books. 

THE GREATEST DANGER: TO SUPPORT PSEUDO DEVOTEES
CC Madhya 1.220:

A jealous person in the dress of a Vaiṣṇava is not at all happy to see the success of another Vaiṣṇava in receiving the Lord’s mercy. UNFORTUNATELY IN THIS AGE OF KALI THERE ARE MANY MUNDANE PERSONS IN THE DRESS OF VAIṢṆAVAS, AND ŚRĪLA BHAKTIVINODA ṬHĀKURA HAS DESCRIBED THEM AS DISCIPLES OF KALI. He says, kali-celā. He indicates that there is another Vaiṣṇava, a pseudo Vaiṣṇava with tilaka on his nose and kaṇṭhī beads around his neck. Such a pseudo Vaiṣṇava associates with money and women and is jealous of successful Vaiṣṇavas. 

ALTHOUGH PASSING FOR A VAIṢṆAVA, HIS ONLY BUSINESS IS EARNING MONEY IN THE DRESS OF A VAIṢṆAVA. Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura therefore says that such a pseudoVaiṣṇava is not a Vaiṣṇava at all but a disciple of Kali-yuga. A disciple of Kali cannot become an ācārya by the decision of some high court. Mundane votes have no jurisdiction to elect a Vaiṣṇava ācārya. A Vaiṣṇava ācārya is self-effulgent, and there is no need for any court judgment. A false ācārya may try to override a Vaiṣṇava by a high-court decision, but Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura says that he is nothing but a disciple of Kali-yuga.

CC Madhya 1.218:

A MUNDANE PERSON IN THE DRESS OF A VAIṢṆAVA SHOULD NOT BE RESPECTED BUT REJECTED. This is enjoined in theśāstra (upekṣā). The word upekṣā means neglect. One should neglect an envious person. A preacher’s duty is to love the Supreme Personality of Godhead, make friendships with Vaiṣṇavas, show mercy to the innocent and reject or neglect those who are envious or jealous. There are many jealous people in the dress of Vaiṣṇavas in this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, and they should be completely neglected. THERE IS NO NEED TO SERVE A JEALOUS PERSON WHO IS IN THE DRESS OF A VAIṢṆAVA. When Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura sayschāḍiyā vaiṣṇava sevā nistāra payeche kebā, he is indicating an actual Vaiṣṇava, not an envious or jealous person in the dress of a Vaiṣṇava. 

On Wednesday, December 3, 2014 6:03 PM, 'B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP)' via Prabhupadanuga <istag...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Hare Krsna Guru Krsna prabhu,

All Glories to His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada. Please accept my fallen obeisances.

A few points:

Serving devotees is one thing; serving cheaters another.

The overall ISKCON GBC is a body of cheaters. (Don't mistake my statement to mean that in regards to every single person on the GBC, because I don't know every single person on the GBC; thus, my statement in relation to the GBC body as a general overall body, and in regards to the specific GBC people I know personally, they are DIShonest, falling into the catagory of liars, cheaters, hypocrites, thieves, and [much] worse)

No need to get into the so many details of their purposeful cheating, criminality and "derailing" things. Simply taking a look at today's ISKCON, the damage is obvious, though hopefully these will only serve as "growing pains" which will eventually lead to a purified ISKCON; an ISKCON that Srila Prabhupada wanted. 

Now, my question.  What’s with all the pessimism towards ISKCON? 

There's Srila Prabhupada's bona fide ISKCON, which is what Srila Prabhupada wanted/intended, and there's present-day ITS A CON. No bona fide follower of Srila Prabhupada would be "'pessimistic' towards ISKCON"; rather they would in regards to the deviated perversion that exists today. Srila Prabhupada Himself would be appalled. (Maybe you have no idea of what Srila Prabhupada's intended ISKCON was. Srila Prabhupada Himself at times expressed His upset with regards to leaders deviating HIS ISKCON movement, in the so many ways this was going on.)

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What is your point in regards to your comparing SRILA PRABHUPADA'S "Bhagavad-gita As It Is" to there being different versions of the Bible?; that there "should" - meaning, that Srila Prabhupada "wanted" that there "should"- be more or different versions of HIS "Bhagavad-gita As It Is"?

That doesn't sound too bona fide. Srila Prabhupada is THE!!! (ONE) Author of HIS "Bhagavad-gita As It Is," Srila Prabhupada's "Bhagavad-gita As It Is" supposed to be coming [bona fide] (AS IT IS) through the printing arm of ISKCON, the BBT. (But even all of that got changed around...) The history of the Bible has it's own "how it came about," (including in regards to the various existing present-day versions, along with their differences. There's quite a difference between the Bible and Srila Prabhupada's "Bhagavad-gita As It Is," and I'm NOT referring to content right now in this statement, but rather, in regards to "how they 'came about'," Srila Prabhupada's "Bhagavad-gita As It Is," made manifest WHILE Srila Prabhupada was present on the planet, Srila Prabhupada being it's ONE!!! Author, (of course Srila Prabhupada's translating Krsna's words, and give HIS, Srila Prabhupada's, purports). 

So that's pretty foolish to give this - present-day versions of the Bible - as a comparison.

If Jesus Himself had written down His Own writings, and they were being changed... If the prophets writings were being changed...

Point being, Srila Prabhupada recently enough wrote (and had printed) His "Bhagavad-gita As It Is," and we know definitely that there are changes which have been made, including specifically things which Srila Prabhupada gave instruction to NOT change.

Your statement as written seems to say, "Well that's fine that they do whatever they want to Srila Prabhupada's books." - specifically your referring to Srila Prabhupada's "Bhagavad-gita As It Is" - After all, they've made different versions of the Bible, so why not Srila Prabhupada's books?"

If you're really feeling that this "is OK," then very sad indeed. Maybe one day there will be a "newer version" of Srila Prabhupada's book(s) that will tell us, "Have as much sex as you like because it's good exercise and is fun. Go and take as many drugs as you want, because it will make you feel better since this material world is a place of suffering. Go and eat meat because the taste you're looking for is the taste of ghee, and better to eat meat because it give you protein and makes you strong," etc., etc, etc.

I'm sure more people would appreciate those [kinds of] versions instead of the ones in which Srila Prabhupada tells us to NOT do these things.

Just to note, for some of us who know what the GBC has done, even though we don't like it, we will still go to render service to the devotees, including cleaning the stoolroom, washing pots, and...

I wonder how many GBC people would render these services, or even give a consideration to doing so... 

By the way, why not ASK the GBC and certain of their cronies WHY they've KICKED OUT from [SRILA PRABHUPADA'S] ISKCON so many SERIOUS devotees who WERE WILLING to render (and WERE RENDERING) the services of cleaning the stoolrooms, washing the pots, etc.  

If you’re just envious, maybe you should follow Prabhupada’s instructions and serve the devotees that you hate so much. 

And WHY is it that when people are standing up for Srila Prabhupada, and/or question this and that deviation going on within ISKCON, and/or in regards to a specific ISKCON leader, we have someone calling them (accusing them of being) "envious," and/or accusing them of "'hating' the devotees."

Maybe what's needed is for people to read Srila Prabhupada's (bona fide) books, not some "version"...

Here's from Srila Prabhupada's BG 10.4 purport: 

"Asammoha, freedom from doubt and delusion, can be achieved when one is not hesitant and when he understands the transcendental philosophy. Slowly but surely he becomes free from bewilderment. Nothing should be accepted blindly; everything should be accepted with care and with caution. Ksama, forgiveness, should be practiced, and one should excuse the minor offenses of others. Satyam,truthfulness, means that facts should be presented as they are for the benefit of others. Facts should not be misrepresented. According to social conventions, it is said that one can speak the truth only when it is palatable to others. But that is not truthfulness. The truth should be spoken in a straight and forward way, so that others will understand actually what the facts are. If a man is a thief and if people are warned that he is a thief, that is truth. Although sometimes the truth is unpalatable, one should not refrain from speaking it. Truthfulness demands that the facts be presented as they are for the benefit of others. That is the definition of truth." 

Here are a few other things from Srimad Bhagavatam and our predecessor Acaryas:

SB 10.44.9,10

"Religious principles have certainly been violated in this assembly. One should not remain for even a moment in a place where irreligion is flourishing. A wise person should not enter an assembly if he knows the participants there are committing acts of impropriety. And if, having entered such an assembly, he fails to speak the truth, speaks falsely or pleads ignorance, he will certainly incur sin."

From Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur In a Harmonist article, "Chanters of the Kirtan of Lord Hari"

A chanter of the kirtana of Hari is necessarily the uncompromising enemy of worldliness and hypocrisy. As a chanter of the kirtana of Hari, it is his constant function to dispel all misconceptions by the preaching of the truth in a most unambiguous form, without any influence of person, place or time. That form has to be adopted which is least likely to be misunderstood. It is his bounden duty to oppose any person who tries to deceive and harm himself or other people by misrepresenting the truth either due to malice or genuine misunderstanding. This will be possible if the chanter of kirtana is always prepared to submit to be trodden on by thoughtless people if any discomfort to himself will enable him to do good to his persecutors by chanting the truth in the most unambiguous manner. If he is unwilling to chant the kirtana under all circumstances due to consideration of self-respect or personal discomfort, then he is unfit to be a preacher of the absolute truth. Humility implies perfect submission to the truth and no sympathy for untruth. A person who entertains any partiality for untruth is unfit to chant the kirtana of Hari. Any clinging to untruth is opposed to the principle of humility born of absolute submission to the truth. 

Those who serve the Truth at all time, by means of all their faculties, and have no hankering for the trivialities of this world, are always necessarily free from malice born of competing worldliness and are, therefore, fit to admonish those who are actively engaged in harming themselves and others by the method of opposing or misrepresenting the Truth in order to attain rewards of such policy in the shape of a perpetuation of the state of misery and ignorance. The method which is employed by the servant of the good preceptor for preventing such misrepresentation of the truth is a part and parcel of the truth itself.

It may not always be pleasing to the diseased susceptibilities of deluded minds and may even be denounced by them as a malicious act with which they are only too familiar, but the words of truth from the lips of a loyal and humble servant of Hari possess such beneficent power that all effort to suppress or obstruct them only serves to vindicate to impartial minds the necessity of complete submission to the Absolute Truth as the only cure of the disease of wordliness. Humility that is employed in the unambiguous service of the Truth is necessarily and qualitatively different from its perverted prototype which is practised by the cunning people of this world for gaining their worldly ends. The professors of pseudo-humility have reason to be afraid of the preachings of the servants of Hari - one of whose duties is to expose the enormous possibility of mischief that is possessed by the forms of so-called spiritual conduct - when they are taken to task for serving the untruth.

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur explains in regards to the difference between weakness and cheating (Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur Prabhupadera Upadesamrta):

“Cheating and weakness are two separate things. Persons devoid of a cheating propensity achieve perfection in life, but a cheater is never successful. Vaisnavism is another name for simplicity. Cheaters are nondevotees. Sincere persons can be weak, but they are not cheaters. Cheaters say something but do something else. Weak people are embarrassed by their defects, whereas cheaters are maddened by their achievements. “I will cheat the acharya,” “I will deceive the doctor,” “I will nourish the poisonous snake of my sinful propensity with banana and milk, hiding him in the hole of my cheating propensity,” and “I will demand name and fame from the people while posing as a saint”: These are not symptoms of weakness but of utter deceitfulness. Such cheaters will never achieve any good. By hearing humbly from saints with a sincere attitude, however, one will gradually attain auspiciousness. After accepting tridandi-sannyasa if one remains busy with worldly activities, thinking that family life is more important than spiritual life or maintaining the sinful mentality of kidnapping Sita from Rama as Ravana did even while dressed as a devotee, then one is a self-killer. We are far from the worship of Hari. Even if we have weakness and have enough anarthas to last us for millions of years, we are not as misfortunate as if we possessed a cheating propensity. It is better to take birth as animals or birds than to take shelter of cheating.”

This question was put to Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur: "Should we boldly speak the truth?"

Reply: "Without cheating anyone we should boldly speak the truth to everyone. If the truth is bitter or unpopular but bestows blessings on the living entities, we must speak it. This will not ultimately cause them anxiety...Unless we speak the truth boldly we cannot please guru and Gauranga. The more determined one is in devotional service, the bolder and more courageous he will be as a preacher. If I fail to speak the impartial truth because I might become unpopular, I have certainly abandoned the path of my disciplic succession and accepted an unauthorized path. In the end I will either find myself cheated or will become an atheist."

Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur:

Patrikara Uddesya, Sajjana Tosani:"In the name of bhakti in many places people are engaged in illicit or anti-bhakti activities in the name of practicing bhakti. If one does not expose those issues (cases) very clearly, then pure bhakti will never be victorious or be established."Bheka Dharana, Sajjana Tosani."One should compulsorily engage in endeavoring to trying to uplift the Vaisnava dharma from the mud of contamination and trying to free it from all kinds of dauratmya (wrong ideas and practices)."Vaisnava ninda, Sajjana Tosani 5/5:samuddesya sahita je paradosera alocana, taha sastre nindita haya naisamuddesya tina prakara ye vyaktira papa laiya alocana kara jayatahate yadi tahara kalyana uddista haya tabe sei alocana subha.jagatera mangala sadhanera janya yadi papira papa alocana kara jaya,tabe taha subha karyera madhye ganita."The deliberation (alocana) on the faults of others with the right motive (samuddesya) is not considered as criticism as per the scriptures. The right motive is any of these three kinds: If the deliberation is done on someone's sinful or faulty activities with the motive of benefiting the person concerned then that kind of deliberation is auspicious. If deliberation on other's faults is done to benefit or protect the interests of human society in general, then that kind of deliberation is counted among auspicious activities done for the benefit of everyone."sadhu vaisnavera nirdesa kariya thakena sadhu vaisnavera pada asrayakaribara abhipraye asat dharmadhvaji lokake parityaga karate sadhu nindava vaisnavaparadha haya na."...if the disciple unknowingly associates with these pretenders then his spiritual life is ruined... Thus it is not "sadhu ninda" (criticism of devotees) or Vaisnava aparadha" (offense to the devotees) to instruct others to reject the association of those pretenders (dharmadhvajis) who have taken shelter of the exalted position of Vaisnavas but are engaged in performing activities against the Vedic scriptures."Although not a Gaudiya Vaisnava, Edmond Burke's words here are applicable: "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

Your servant,

B. Radha-Govinda Swami

Hare Krsna

From: Geary Sheridan <gear...@ca.rr.com>
To: larry freeman p <lak...@webtv.net> 
Cc: ista gosthi <istag...@googlegroups.com>; Kalakant...@pamho.net; saty...@gmail.com; rgswa...@yahoo.com; Geary Sheridan <gear...@ca.rr.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 11:42 PM
Subject: Refreshed: Book Changes

Dear Laksminarasimha dasa,

Please accept my humble obeisances.

All Glories to His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

We’ve talked about this before.  Consider the year 2514 A.D.  Yes.  That’s five hundred years from now.  How many ISKCON authoritative versions and translations of 'Bhagavad-gita As It Is' do you think there will be currently available in the year 2514 A.D.?  Let us humbly use a logical baseline to predict an answer that uses the number of authorized versions and different translations of the Holy Bible the Roman Catholic Church has published over the past 548 years.  The math is simple.  Subtract 1966 from 2514 and you get 548 years as a basis for projecting “How many ISKCON authoritative versions and translations of 'Bhagavad-gita As It Is' do you think there will be available in the year 2514 A.D.?”  If you go to the Catholic web-site :  https://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/bible_versions.htm , we can see that there are presently EIGHT versions of the Roman Catholic Church’s 'Holy Bible' available for purchase today!

Now, my question.  What’s with all the pessimism towards ISKCON?  

If you’re just envious, maybe you should follow Prabhupada’s instructions and serve the devotees that you hate so much.  If you are male, you could volunteer to clean the stool rooms in ISKCON's brahmachari ashram!  If you are female, you could volunteer to clean the stool rooms in anyone of ISKCON's brahmacharini ashrams!  Or, male or female, you could just volunteer to chop vegetables and wash pots and pans in an ISKCON Hare Krishna Kitchen!!  DAILY!!!  Until those anarthas of the heart have been completely excised.

Hare Krishna.

Yhs Guru Krsna dasa

On Dec 2, 2014, at 11:57 AM, larry freeman p <lak...@webtv.net> wrote:

 

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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 05:07:17 +0000
From: istag...@googlegroups.com
To: istag...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Fwd: Book Changes

Hare Krsna Satyahit prabhu,

All glories to His Divine Grace, Srila Prabhupada. Please accept my fallen obeisances.

You submitted in your post to the Istagosthi forum two different subjects here: changes Jayadvaita Swami made to Srila Prabhupada's books as well as initiation within ISKCON, which ultimately means the present-day ISKCON guru system which also includes its "evolvement" in ISKCON since it began as one thing (one "system") that the GBC decided [it was to be] at that time, and has - also based on GBC decision - come to be a different "system" now from what the GBC started it off as being.

First - since that's what you began with - Jayadvaita's editing. I'm not even going to touch on the editing part, (whether Jayadvaita S should or should not be editing Srila Prabhupada's books as he is doing), but let's see what Kalakantha prabhu wrote here: "Yet every time Srila Prabhupada spoke of him, he expressed 100% confidence in his editing." Obviously Jayavaita S doesn't like his OWN editing, because there have been times that AFTER he's edited something in Srila Prabhupada's books, he will RE-EDIT at some later point in time what he already edited.

Jayadvaita S's IMpersonalism RUINED Srila Prabhupada's translation of the pre-1978 BG 2.1 verse, (which Jayadvaita later did a re-edit on his own editing, and then another on his own re-editing at a later date to bring it more in akin to Srila Prabhupada's original translation, but to this day, Jayadvaita still keeps his translation a little different from Srila Prabhupada's translation. (Nor has Jayadvaita S ever given indication that he has made changes to the Author's ORIGINAL book AFTER the Author's physical departure.)  

(Srila Prabhupada's translation) Seeing Arjuna full of compassion and very sorrowful, his eyes brimming with tears

(Jayadvaita's third (or fourth?) editing, again, his editing his OWN previous editings) Seeing Arjuna full of compassion, his mind depressed, his eyes full of tears.

Incidentally, at one point Jayadvaita S, as part of his editing campaign, wanted to take out ALL capitalization of pronouns in relation to Krsna; eg, "He" When I found out that this was being considered by him, I told him, "The mayavadis want to step on the head of guru, but you not only want to step on the head of Guru, but on Krsna's head as well." (To my knowledge, so far Jayadvaita S has not gone to this point of following through on his consideration...)

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For now, let's put the ritvik initiation system to the side. (Let's not forget that it's the GBC who made the decisions in regards to what they wanted/decided regarding initiations within ISKCON, and it should be noted that some devotees, because of certain "systems" set into place by the GBC, were FORCED to "accept" initiation from this or that ISKCON guru who they did NOT want to take from. Let's also not forget that it was the GBC who decided on one system in 1977-78, then with time, changed it to something else, then changed that, etc., which is the proof that the GBC is responsible for instituting the ISKCON guru "system" they've have decided on/wanted.)

So for right now, let's just examine and deal with what's what in relation to the GBC guru evolvement system: 

But before that, these factors to think about in relation to guru, (and specifically in regards to ISKCON):

• Guru in accordance with what Sastra explains, meaning, independent from any society created by a specific Acarya, 

• and (in regards to ISKCON itself), we are dealing with guru in relation to "function" within the ISKCON society, which ISKCON's Founder-Acarya Srila Prabhupada created

• and in this regard, the primary concern is what did Srila Prabhupada order in regards to initiations within HIS ISKCON society for after His departure. (This is THE MOST!!! important factor, and of course the whole reason for all the controversy, is because the GBC right from the very beginning was NOT!!! honest with the devotees. Thus, all the resulting confusion, arising from the philosophy/understanding of guru and initiation in regards to what is there in the 
  

If you look at that video you included, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liBoHUJyxHU at the 13.22 - 14.08 point we hear what Ranjit prabhu says about Srila Prabhupada's being "very consistant." (Obviously regarding such an important issue concerning initiation within ISKCON after Srila Prabhupada's departure, Srila Prabhupada must have given VERY SOLID!!! instructions. So how possible the GBC "screwed up" in these regards? The proof: So many devotees left or got FORCIBLY!!! PUSHED out of ISKCON by certain gurus and/or GBC, and over time, the GBC made various changes to their [decided upon] guru system.

You will see at the 25.34 - 26.28 point, Tamal Krsna speaking about the July 9th letter he composed (and says why he had Srila Prabhupada sign it), yet Tamal (and others) used this letter to promote themselves later as the 11 "Zonal Acaryas," to be the "new" ISKCON gurus (to sit on Vyasasanas and accept THE SAME EXACT WORSHIP which had been being offered to Srila Prabhupada). Then at the 27;06 - 27.35 Tamal talks about what he (said) he said at Topanga Canyon, his giving this talk after the GBC suspended him. 

(Just now I saw this part on the internet as part of what he said: "Myself and the other GBC have done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years because we interpreted the appointment of ritviks as the appointment of gurus. What actually happened I'll explain. I explained it but the interpretation is wrong." (Topanga Canyon Confessions, 3/12/80)

Yet, when Tamal got brought back into "good graces" in the GBC, he then "went back" to his previous "guru understanding"; that the 11, including him were "made" gurus (or were "given" guru positions) by Srila Prabhupada, (including that they were to be understood to be "as good as Srila Prabhupada" and to accept full-fledged worship on the level that Srila Prabhupada had been receiving).

Bhakti Marg Swami at 39.23 (who - according to some older devotees from Canada - doesn't want devotees initiated prior to 1978 in "his" temples), is saying how Srila Prabhupada "has empowered people," and wanted them "to take up responsibilities". What are those responsibilities? TO IMPLEMENT SRILA PRABHUPADA'S INSTRUCTIONS. (That's the WHOLE!!! PURPOSE of ISKCON, though it seems that so many of the GBC and gurus have forgotten this.) That also means NOT pushing out serious devotees who were serving Srila Prabhupada and following His instructions so faithfully. A lot more can be said in regards to GBC and/or guru deviations from Srila Prabhupada's desires/instructions on the whole overall gambit, but let's leave that for now...

Bhaktitirtha S at 40.11 arranged the murder of a number of devotees in Africa, and had other devotees beaten up elsewhere. While a guru, he not following two of the regulative principles. He was also teaching some of his disciples certain things which were contrary to the Srimad Bhagavatam's (and thus Srila Prabhupada's) teachings. A lot more can be said in these regards, but no need...

Sivaram S 45.15-46.25 speaks about how he "sympathizes," how he received as a sannyasi and guru received "unfair treatment," even now (45.36) etc., but despite, he has stayed in ISKCON, because he "is convinced that is what Srila Prabhupada wanted" (45.47). All well and good, but how many GBC and/or gurus have pushed good/serious devotees OUT of ISKCON? (They weren't as fortunate as Sivaram S, who, in being a sannyasi, GBC and guru, although (as he said), he experienced some pain - my paraphrasing - due to his having such position(s), he never got booted out, and has been able to be nicely maintained and even make big money through ISKCON.)

http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/04-10/editorials5999.htm

Nrsimhananda prabhu quotes from Srila Prabhupada's SB 4.30.8 purport:

"The unity of the individual souls attempting to satisfy the Supreme Lord or rendering service to the Lord is real unity. In the material world such unity is not possible. Even though people may officially unite, they all have different interests. In the United Nations, for instance, all the nations have their particular national ambitions, and consequently they cannot be united. Disunity between individual souls is so strong within this material world that even in a society of Krsna consciousness, members sometimes appear disunited due to their having different opinions and leaning toward material things. Actually, in Krsna consciousness there cannot be two opinions. There is only one goal: to serve Krsna to one's best ability. If there is some disagreement over service, such disagreement is to be taken as spiritual. Those who are actually engaged in the service of the Supreme Personality of Godhead cannot be disunited in any circumstance. This makes the Supreme Personality of Godhead very happy and willing to award all kinds of benediction to His devotees, as indicated in this verse."

"There cannot be two opinions." (Why? Because we follow Srila Prabhupada's instructions.) 

There is only one goal: to serve Krsna to one's best ability. (The GBC in general, including many of the gurus, have interfered with many devotees' right to do this within Srila Prabhupada's ISKCON, even to the extent of kicking very serious devotees out.)

Those who are actually engaged in the service of the Supreme Personality of Godhead cannot be disunited in any circumstance. (The GBC in general including many of the gurus have caused very extensive disunification on certain levels, and "unification" in regards to the wrong things; deviations, coverups, etc.)

Whether Srila Prabhupada did or didn't want a ritvik system in His ISKCON, we know that the system the GBC began in 1978 regarding initiations and made their various changes to, including through to today, is OFF. The GBC's system has throughout the years forced very serious devotee out of ISKCON - including GBC and gurus pushing devotees out of ISKCON - caused a multiplicity of cults within ISKCON, (which has even resulted at times in gurus or their sisyas giving orders to disciples to have this or that devotee beaten up and even killed), [ISKCON] inter-devotee hatred, and has enabled certain people (gurus, GBCs, sannyasis and TPs) to syphon off MILLIONS of dollars (for themselves) which SHOULD have INSTEAD been going DIRECTLY towards ISKCON projects. (Srila Prabhupada directed the GBC in regards to starting DVD; to get land, start devotee farming communities centered on self-sufficiency. Obviously the GBC didn't give a damn about these instructions, nor did they in regards to initiations within ISKCON in accordance to whatever were Srila Prabhupada's instructions in this regard.)

(Oops, am I faultfinding again or telling the truth, calling a spade a spade...)

You please be well.

May we be safely situated under the shelter of Srila Prabhupada's Lotus Feet, Those of our Guru Varga, the Vaisnavas, and Sri Sri Radha and Krsna.

With love, 

Your servant,

B. Radha-Govinda Swami
Hare Krsna

From: Ron P Conroy <saty...@gmail.com>
To: istag...@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 8:19 AM
Subject: Fwd: Book Changes

whats your take on this prabhus 

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Kalakantha (das) ACBSP (Gainesville, FL - US) <Kalakant...@pamho.net>
Date: Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: Book Changes
To: Ron P Conroy <saty...@gmail.com>


Prabhuji,

If you watch this video you will hear Srila Prabhupada say it himself.

Ys,
Kd

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liBoHUJyxHU

> jai prabhu, see you tomrow
> thanks again
> i,ve seen this before but where did Srila Prabhupada use the phrase
> "disciple of my disciple "?
>
> On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 5:03 AM, Kalakantha (das) ACBSP (Gainesville, FL -
> US) <Kalakant...@pamho.net> wrote:
>
> > Thanks, Satyahit Prabhu, for your open mindedness. Jayadvaita Swami is a
> > very sincere devotee who has been endlessly criticized by many. Yet
> > every time Srila Prabhupada spoke of him, he expressed 100% confidence
> > in his editing. And Srila Prabhupada wanted the English in his books to
> > be corrected, as well as the Sanskrit editors overseen. None of his
> > Sanskrit editors remained active in ISKCON, but Jayadvaita Swami has
> > never deviated, though he is his own man and has no qualms in pointing
> > out what he sees are mistakes by the GBC.
> >
> > Mostly I am concerned that if people blindly follow those who criticize
> > J. Swami (whose most vocal critics, to my knowledge, do no appreciable
> > service in ISKCON), they will suffer the effects of Vaishnava aparadha.
> >
> > Ys,
> > Kd
> >
> > > Kalakanta prabbhu, yes i thoroughly  agree , this article has actually
> > > opened my mind to a broader understanding of the whole editing
> > > situation, which i previously did not know of .
> > > thank you for asking me to read it, because otherwise i was not going
> > > to. your vigilance on the matter is appreciated .
> > > ys
> > > sd
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 5:11 AM, Kalakantha (das) ACBSP (Gainesville,
> > > FL
> > -
> > > US) <Kalakant...@pamho.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear Satyahit and Ballabha Sena Prabhus,
> > > >
> > > > Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
> > > >
> > > > In the past we've held different views about the editing of Srila
> > > > Prabhupada's books.
> > > >
> > > > Today on Dandavats.com I found what I feel is the most thorough
> > > > exposition on the subject I've ever read. It's called, "No more
> > > > cattle-raising on the planet of the trees."
> > > >
> > > > Politically, the article speaks in favor of the edits made to Srila
> > > > Prabhupada's books, but it's much deeper than just argumentation. It
> > > > goes through the "Rascal Editor" conversation in great depth and
> > without
> > > > speculation.
> > > >
> > > > If nothing else I hope this will help clarify in your minds my
> > > > position on the matter and why I feel so strongly about controvery
> > > > about editing being irrelevant and extremely harmful to our
> > > > preaching efforts in Gainesville.
> > > >
> > > > Kindly take half an hour during the upcoming Christmas break, read
> > > > the article and let me know your thoughts. Thank you. Hoping you are
> > > > well and that you have a rejunvating break.
> > > >
> > > > Your servant,
> > > > Kalakantha das
> > > >
> >

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[B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP)]

I'll reply to your three emails here in regards to your upset over this Prabhu's writing his assessment (in regards to your previous emails, which, (in his email), he wrote Feel free to pass on my comments as they are simply a judgement based on his exchanges.

I simply forwarded and passed on his email to you, and in fact forwarded to you together in one email, both of the separate emails that I received sent from two different devotees. You addressed one of them - the one where the devotee wrote what he did in regards to you. The other email which you did not address was in direct reference to ISKCON.

If you have a problem with this devotee's email, that has nothing to do with me. He read your emails and came to his own conclusions. I only forwarded his email on to you.

How about going to your corner, cooling off from your temper tantrum, and growing up...

Again, please know that the emails I forwarded to you were sent from devotees who are NOT "ritvik" devotees.

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From: Geary Sheridan <gear...@ca.rr.com>
To: B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) <rgswa...@yahoo.com>
Cc: "istag...@googlegroups.com" <istag...@googlegroups.com>; Gilbert Sanchez <gaudaca...@mac.com>; "isk...@yahoogroups.com" <isk...@yahoogroups.com>; larry freeman p <lak...@webtv.net>; jack Eskildsen <deadh...@yahoo.com>; Geary Sheridan <gear...@ca.rr.com>

Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) non-sense

Same with you, hypocrite.  You sent me this hate mail.  You are no Swami.  You’re a fraud.

From: Geary Sheridan <gear...@ca.rr.com>
To: B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) <rgswa...@yahoo.com>; v...@gmail.com 
Cc: "istag...@googlegroups.com" <istag...@googlegroups.com>; Gilbert Sanchez <gaudaca...@mac.com>; "isk...@yahoogroups.com" <isk...@yahoogroups.com>; larry freeman p <lak...@webtv.net>; jack Eskildsen <deadh...@yahoo.com>; Geary Sheridan <gear...@ca.rr.com> 

Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: :) B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) non-sense

You don't speak like a swami.  You speak like a demon, hoping to taunt people into being hateful.  You are no swami.  Your are a fraud. Go back to the darkness where you belong demon! 

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From: Geary Sheridan <gear...@ca.rr.com>
To: B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) <rgswa...@yahoo.com> 
Cc: "istag...@googlegroups.com" <istag...@googlegroups.com>; Gilbert Sanchez <gaudaca...@mac.com>; "isk...@yahoogroups.com" <isk...@yahoogroups.com>; larry freeman p <lak...@webtv.net>; jack Eskildsen <deadh...@yahoo.com> 
Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 3:14 AM
Subject: B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) non-sense

Copying you own awkward and immature format, rather than respectable self-contained letter structure,

You mean trailer-pad.

On Dec 8, 2014, at 10:13 AM, B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) <rgswa...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Grow up and be a man... (or woman)

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From: Geary Sheridan <gear...@ca.rr.com>
To: B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) <rgswa...@yahoo.com>
Cc: "istag...@googlegroups.com" <istag...@googlegroups.com>; Gilbert Sanchez <gaudaca...@mac.com>; "isk...@yahoogroups.com" <isk...@yahoogroups.com>; larry freeman p <lak...@webtv.net>; jack Eskildsen <deadh...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 3:14 AM
Subject: B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) non-sense

Copying you own awkward and immature format, rather than respectable self-contained letter structure,

[B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP)]

Correction (for you): I forwarded to you this other devotee's email who wrote his comments in relation to your emails sent.

So when are you going to China to do the project you've been trying to push on others?

Would you like to come with me to the Middle East to distribute Srila Prabhupada's books?

الله يبارك

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From: Geary Sheridan <gear...@ca.rr.com>
To: B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) <rgswa...@yahoo.com>
Cc: "istag...@googlegroups.com" <istag...@googlegroups.com>; Gilbert Sanchez <gaudaca...@mac.com>; "isk...@yahoogroups.com" <isk...@yahoogroups.com>; larry freeman p <lak...@webtv.net>; jack Eskildsen <deadh...@yahoo.com>; Geary Sheridan <gear...@ca.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) non-sense

Same with you, hypocrite.  You sent me this hate mail.  You are no Swami.  You’re a fraud.

.

[B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP)]

Go and ASSociate with your millionaire ISKCON swami fiends. If you can't understand that certain SINyasis are STEALING!!! from Srila Prabhupada (and doing other activities which are NOT "kosher") and are THE FRAUDS, then what can be done? If it's your desire to remain in your illusion, then be blessed to continue to remain in your illusion, but hopefully Srila Prabhupada and Krsna help you to wake up, but if it's your desire to stay asleep, Krsna will facilitate you in this way as well.

[B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP)]

Go and ASSociate with your millionaire ISKCON swami fiends. If you can't understand that certain SINyasis are STEALING!!! from Srila Prabhupada (and doing other activities which are NOT "kosher") and are THE FRAUDS, then what can be done? If it's your desire to remain in your illusion, then be blessed to continue to remain in your illusion, but hopefully Srila Prabhupada and Krsna help you to wake up, but if it's your desire to stay asleep, Krsna will facilitate you in this way as well.

You're obviously under delusion as evidenced by this: (Maybe you want to change the part I highlighted below? Hopefully you're not still under this illusion at this point in time (2014, going on almost 2015...) 

From: <v...@gmail.com>
To: B. Radha-Govinda Swami <rgswa...@yahoo.com> 
Sent: Monday, December 8, 2014 3:21 PM
Subject: Guru Krishna

https://www.linkedin.com/pub/geary-sheridan/36/400/a76

Vaisnava India

January 1994

Geary Sheridan joined ISKCON as a New Bhakta on 11 FEB 1978, 8:30 A.M. Diligent to his service as a sankirtan devotee, he later received his first initiation by His Divine Grace Srila Rameswara Maharaja on Krishna Janmashtami AUG 1979 in New Dwaraka, Los Angeles, California, USA, becoming officially accepted into the Brahma-Madhva-Gaudiya sampradaya as Guru Krsna dasa.

[B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP)]

Dear Guru Krsna prabhu,

Hare Krsna, and all glories to His Divine Grace, Srila Prabhupada. Please accept my fallen obeisances.

I hope your sadhana and bhajan are going well.

In light of our disagreements over certain points, may we part without any negative feelings towards one another, and may Srila Prabhupada be pleased with whatever services we are rendering to His Lotus Feet.

As Srila Prabhupada wrote in His Aug 7, 1976 letter to Sumati Morarjee, "For example, we see that two lawyers in the courtroom may fight vigorously about a law point, but upon returning to the law library, they talk and embrace like friends. So you should always remember that we have no ill feelings towards Vallabha Bhattacarya. We have full respect for him, so there is no harm if these facts are discussed in the society of devotees. Devotees always humbly offer respect to everyone, but when there is a discussion on a point of sastra, they do not observe the usual etiquette, satyam bruyat priyam bruyat. They speak only the satyam, although it may not necessarily be priyam." 

As Arjuna never wanted to fight with relatives and friends, similarly I don't like getting in such fighting/arguing with you. At the same time, I felt it necessary to address certain points.

Because our experiences in regards to ISKCON have been different, thus, our not necessarily seeing "eye to eye" on certain things.

You please forgive me if within our exchanges you've felt offended in any way by me. My intention was not to do this, rather only for refutation of arguments not agreed upon.

May both of us, despite whatever our disagreements, be blessed by His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada and Srimati Radharani, to be allowed to continue on in our services to His Divine Grace, Srila Prabhupada, Lord Sri Krsna and Their devotees, and may both of us make it back to Goloka Vrndavan ASAP. May we be safely situated under the shelter of Srila Prabhupada's Lotus Feet, Those of our Guru Varga, the Vaisnavas, and Sri Sri Radha and Krsna.

You please be well.

With love. 

[B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP)]

[B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP)]

Hare Krsna. All glories to His Divine Grace, Srila Prabhupada. Please accept my fallen obeisances.

I received this email below from another devotee, his sending the video with his questions.

I couldn't reply, because I have no idea who the person is in that video.

Does anyone know who is this person in the video, and what's what? 

Guru Krsna prabhu, can you help out as maybe you might know? (since you submitted a comment on the video).

With love, 

Your servant,

B. Radha-Govinda Swami
Hare Krsna

----- Forwarded Message -----

From: <k...@hotmail.com>
To: B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) <rgswa...@yahoo.com> 

Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: Well...

What the heck is going on here? Is this yet another ISKCON sannyasi or is he some renegade I wonder???

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeqMQLpcH4Y

[Mellanie L Nagel]

On 12/10/14 2:39 PM, 'B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP)' via Prabhupadanuga wrote:

What the heck is going on here? Is this yet another ISKCON sannyasi or is he some renegade I wonder???

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeqMQLpcH4Y

The person is real. Whatever is going on is happening in Moscow. No one seems to know exactly what is happening at this time. No one seems to know when it occurred. It is not connected to any authorized ISKCON event, nor is the person an authorized sannyasi or recognized as a guru in ISKCON.

[John Hanton]

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008442617901  here he is on FB. We should start a Monster Guru of the year awards program.

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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 19:39:57 +0000
From: istag...@googlegroups.com
To: istag...@googlegroups.com
CC: gaudaca...@mac.com; lak...@webtv.net; gear...@ca.rr.com
Subject: Does Anyone Know?

[B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP)]

I would assume that the person must be real - a real person - although in these days of "whatevers," who knows for sure... 

When "'it' occurred"? When what occurred?

So he is or was an ISKCON devotee, yes? - but "transformed" into this; doing his whatevers, correct? 

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From: 'Mellanie L Nagel' via Prabhupadanuga <istag...@googlegroups.com>
To: istag...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: Does Anyone Know?

[B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP)]

I forwarded your reply on to the devotee who was asking...

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From: 'Mellanie L Nagel' via Prabhupadanuga <istag...@googlegroups.com>
To: istag...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: Does Anyone Know?

[B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP)]

The problem is that they would have too many to choose from, and it probably couldn't be decided who would be the winner, in regards to who is the worst monster to choose from the bunch. I suppose they could decide by alphabetical order?

I received this reply below (my keeping the email addresses private) from another devotee in regards to the email I first sent out on behalf of the devotee who asked me the question.

(Pretty whacky kirtan in this video the devotee sent. I wonder how Srila Prabhupada would have reacted... Hmmm, maybe a Russian-styled kirtan?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3UhzDE0di4

From: d...@gmail.com>
To: B. Radha-Govinda Swami <rgswa...@yahoo.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:28 PM
Subject: Fwd: Radhanath Disciples

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: @aol.com>
Date: Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 1:35 PM
Subject: Radhanath Disciples
To: d...@gmail.com

Turns out that the wacky video I sent you yesterday is of Radhanath disciple in Russia.....here is a few more....do not feel obligated to watch them they are crazy..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3UhzDE0di4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr4eoYAQc_c&app=desktop

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From: John Hanton <hanto...@hotmail.com>
To: "istag...@googlegroups.com" <istag...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:17 PM
Subject: RE: Does Anyone Know?

[B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP)]

Dear Guru Krsna prabhu,

Hare Krsna. All glories to His Divine Grace, Srila Prabhupada. Please accept my fallen obeisances.

I hope your sadhana and bhajan are going well.

Thanks for your reply.

Even though we many not agree on certain other points, we do agree on this one; the "New Age" sannyasi being "unorthadox"...

He didn't have his tilak on in this (second given) video either.  (Maybe he sweated it off?) 

From: P...@gmail.com>
To: B. Radha-Govinda Swami <rgswa...@yahoo.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 3:28 PM
Subject: Fwd: Radhanath Disciples

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: <@aol.com>
Date: Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 1:35 PM
Subject: Radhanath Disciples
To: p...@gmail.com

Turns out that the wacky video I sent you yesterday is of Radhanath disciple in Russia.....here is a few more....do not feel obligated to watch them they are crazy..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3UhzDE0di4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr4eoYAQc_c&app=desktop

You please be well.

May we be safely situated under the shelter of Srila Prabhupada's Lotus Feet, Those of our Guru Varga, the Vaisnavas, and Sri Sri Radha and Krsna.

With love, 

Your servant, 

B. Radha-Govinda Swami
Hare Krsna

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From: Geary Sheridan <gear...@ca.rr.com>

To: B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP) <rgswa...@yahoo.com>

Cc: "istag...@googlegroups.com" <istag...@googlegroups.com>; Gilbert Sanchez <gaudaca...@mac.com>; larry freeman p <lak...@webtv.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 7:52 PM

Subject: Re: Does Anyone Know?

The International Society for Krishna Consciousness [ISKCON] should be made aware of this "New Age" Vaisnava sanyasi and his unorthodox techniques... he also forgot to wear tilak for the camera!  lol