strong arm tactics at New Raman Reti

[mark mclaughlin]

Mind Blower BY: KRSNA DAS Dec 20, ALACHUA, FLORIDA, USA (SUN) — It was reported yesterday that mother B. Radha-Govinda, alias Mahavegavati dasi, spoke up at the Sunday Feast in Alachua, saying which edition of Bhagavad-gita is being sponsored, and mother Mukya, Temple President, said that is not to be questioned here. B. Radha-Govinda was warned not to disturb the Sunday program or she would be banned. This she got in an email from Mukya dasi, who also said, and I quote, that the original Bhagavad Gita As It Is is "unauthorized"! This signifies to me that all of Srila Prabhupada's books are "unauthorized" by the GBC because they have now all been changed and or edited.

[Bhaktatraveler]

And so where is the local 'nuga community? Cowardliness, so they can attend the temple functions. They're to lame to have any cohesive in solidarity or comradely to have any voice.

And so it goes on that now Srila Prabhupada's original books are unauthorized. Their already dead and gone to Hell!

RCB

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From: mark mclaughlin <markm...@yahoo.com>
To: istag...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 9:36:51 AM
Subject: [Prabhupadanuga] strong arm tactics at New Raman Reti

[Bhaktatraveler]

I'm going to picket the Sunday feast program at the temple this coming Sunday about this rejection of Prabhupada's original books.  From the public roadway. My sign will say............

Prabhupada's  ORIGINAL books are "unauthorized" in this temple. Please show support and walk away!

Hare Krsna

RCBhakti

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From: mark mclaughlin <markm...@yahoo.com>
To: istag...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 9:36:51 AM
Subject: [Prabhupadanuga] strong arm tactics at New Raman Reti

[Pratyatosa]

Non-profit organizations that depend upon donations from a congregation are very vulnerable. As soon as there is some bad publicity, donations drop.

How about:

"ORIGINAL books are "unauthorized" in this temple. Please protest by leaving your wallet in your pocket."

Your servant, Pratyatosa Dasa

[Bhaktatraveler]

Excellent second sign!  Maybe I will have two. One of my sons will accompany me anyway.

RCBhakti

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From: Pratyatosa <praty...@gmail.com>
To: istag...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 1:26:49 PM
Subject: [Prabhupadanuga] Re: strong arm tactics at New Raman Reti

[Anuttama devi dasi]

If I were there I'd join the picket line. My sign: If this is
Prabhupada's ISKCON, why are his books banned?

[Bhaktatraveler]

Great third sign!

While I'm standing there in the cold, I will take warmth from your heart felt sentiment.

RCBhakti

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From: Anuttama devi dasi <anutt...@gmail.com>
To: Prabhupadanuga <istag...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 1:53:54 PM

Subject: [Prabhupadanuga] Re: strong arm tactics at New Raman Reti

[Ron Conroy]

RC you will most likely be banned if you do that

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Bhaktatraveler <bhaktat...@yahoo.com> wrote:

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[Ron Conroy]

who is RC Bhakti ? 

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Bhaktatraveler <bhaktat...@yahoo.com> wrote:

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[Bhaktatraveler]

That could very well be. Sounds like I have nothing to loose! I live in exile anyway.

RCBhakti

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From: Ron Conroy <saty...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 3:05:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Prabhupadanuga] strong arm tactics at New Raman Reti

[Bhaktatraveler]

Raja Caturbahu das Bhakti

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Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 3:08:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Prabhupadanuga] strong arm tactics at New Raman Reti

[tim lee]

The real reason Srila Prabhupada's original books are not welcome at Raman Reti is: that they are still trying to prop up Jayadvaita swami as their biggest editor / acharya. Why, you may ask? Because Jayadvaita swami says in writing that most of ISKCON's 230 (mostly blooped?) acharyas are out there having illicit sex with men, women and children, and many of the folks over there love that siddhanta, why else? This is because, when the acharyas are out there partying and doing the hokey pokey, then many of these fools in Alachua have an excuse to do that too, its a debauchery messiah's club, plain and simple. And anyone who says acharyas are not doing the hokey pokey, are banned, simple as that, i.e. most of them want to worship illicit sex as messiahs and train their children to do that too, as is going on there. Ooop I forgot, Jayadvaita swami confirmed to me in person that he wrote that gurus engage in illicit sex with men, women and children. No wonder they love this guy! ys pd

[Bhaktatraveler]

I love it when you talk dirty and direct that imfamous style in the right direction, thanks!

Caturbahu das

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From: tim lee <ange...@yahoo.com>
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Cc: ange...@yahoo.com
Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 8:13:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Prabhupadanuga] Re: strong arm tactics at New Raman Reti

[William J]

Why only act locally act globally by picketing the temple on your facebook page... There are thousands of symptathetic vaishnavas there.

Gaurahari das

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[mark mclaughlin]

Dear devotees, I began this thread by reproducing an article I found on the Sampradaya Sun news website. As it turns out, that article written about Mother Radha -Govinda by one "Krsna dasa" had factual errors which were just brought to my attention. In an article entitled "Definititve As it Is", written by Mother Radha-Govinda and posted on the Sun today, she gives proof that "Krsna dasa" was a little off. I should know better than to reproduce something from the Sun without double checking.  Very sorry.  For clarity, here is the part from today's article where she clears the air.

"Having practically no computer access, thus, only now being able to get to a computer to see this (and some other articles devotees referred me to), I'm replying with the following to help make some things clear, since whoever posted this article wrote some information which is (let's say), a bit "fuzzy". This devotee wrote: "B. Radha-Govinda was warned not to disturb the Sunday program or she would be banned. This she got in an email from Mukya dasi, who also said, and I quote, that the original Bhagavad Gita As It Is is "unauthorized"!"

Since Mukhya prabhu did not use the word "banned" or "unauthorized" to me, either verbally or in her Dec 6th email - although from the last line in Mukhya prabhu's email, getting "banned" can be implied - I don't know if the devotee writing the above meant that he's "quoting" from Mukhya prabhu's email to me, or he rephrased into his own words what he thought Mukhya prabhu meant, or he meant that Mukhya prabhu specifically said/wrote the original Bhagavad Gita As It Is is "unauthorized"!" to him directly, or to another devotee who then related to him. Other than Mukhya prabhu's reply given (over the microphone, thus heard by other devotees present) in the temple to my Dec 5th question, her Dec 6th email to me, and my receiving her verbal confirmation the next time I saw her in the temple, when I asked if she had received my Dec 8th email reply, Mukhya prabhu and I have not had any further discussion about the issue. (I come to the temple only on Sunday and once in the week for Mangal Arotike when another devotee takes me, since I don't drive, and go when this devotee goes and takes me.) *********************** Here is the email. Dear Mahavegavati prabhu, Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. We are requesting you to refrain from calling out during Sunday feast announcements when our temple is full of devotees and guests. It is not meant to be a question and answer period, neither is it a forum for your political viewpoints. As you are well aware ISKCON of Alachua subscribes to GBC regulations, as was Srila Prabhupada's desire. Therefore we naturally distribute BBT books, as I am sure you are also well aware. I see that you are a sincere devotee wishing to deepen your connection with Krishna and Guru. But if our structure does not fit into your idea of what the Krishna consciousness movement should be you might consider practicing Krishna consciousness somewhere else. Please respect our rules so that I don't have to take further action. your servant, Mukhya devi dasi ******************** MRG claims that Krsna dasa was correct about what the TP said to her over the microphone in answer to the question.  But all Krsna Dasa writes is "that is not to be questioned here."  I wonder if that was exactly what the TP said? I doubt it, otherwise she wouldn't have had to explain "what she really meant" in an email. Though true that some punitive action is directly implied at the end of the email, in fairness it is only in relation to further ignoring the "rule" that sunday feast announcements are not a place for q & a on temple issues.   Which is understandable. The truth remains that there was reason for concern which developed due to the insensitivity of temple management.  They insensitively used pictures of the old Gita to advertise during book sales, when the Gitas in the box being sold were another type with a different cover altogether. The sunday feast announcement period was deemed the wrong time and place to bring this up.  A good leader would have been very concerned and immediately after the official announcements were over, would have sought out MRG and after making sure MRG understands the rules, she would have then inquired into her problem with all attention in order to see justice.  This did not occur. What is at the source of such conflicts?  In the words of the Alachua TP Mukhya devi dasi: "As you are well aware ISKCON of Alachua subscribes to GBC regulations, as was Srila Prabhupada's desire. Therefore we naturally distribute BBT books, as I am sure you are also well aware." TRANSLATION: Dear Devotees, Srila Prabhupada's original books are not authorized for distribution at the Alachua temple.  The Management Hare Krsna