Re: Sadaputa prabhu

[Bhakta Mark]

actually, the wife angle, even the fact of him having a wife, is news
to me.

I was under the impression that the TOVP is more than just a
"building".

It seemed to me that it is considered, in a popular social sense, to
be a crown jewel.

And that the particulars of the main attraction, the planetarium
proper, were designed specifically according to Sadaputa's figuring,
because there were politics involved. Same as when changes were made
to Srila Prabhupada's quotes on issues that are considered
controversial by karmis. There were financial backers who wanted to
make the vedic cosmology more palatable to modern sensibilities.

So the final blueprint was deviated from the vedic version that
Sadaputa put into words, and he was strident in speaking against it
and resisting it. LOTS of money on the line.

This was the impression I got.

On Jan 14, 7:37 pm, Pratyatosa <pratyat...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On the other hand, it's news to me that Sadaputa Prabhu was thinking about
> divorcing his wife, but not surprising, considering that she seemed to me
> to be the "devil's grandmother," and she seemed to fit the description of a
> psychopath. It might have been the result of her rage against the prospect
> of him divorcing her that caused her to either kill him herself or to hire
> a hit man to do the nasty deed! :-(
>
> Such "crimes of passion" are relatively common, aren't they?
>
> Did she have an alibi?
>
> Ys, Ptd
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:56 PM, Pratyatosa <pratyat...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > It doesn't seem like Sadaputa Prabhu having objections to the way a
> > building was being built would provide sufficient motivation for a murder.
> > Keep in mind that the Sulocana murder was motivated by his threats to
> > murder a "guru!" A "guru" who happened to have the most fanatical followers
> > of any of the ISKCON "gurus!" Also, these same fanatical followers had
> > seemingly gotten away with murder in the past.
>
> > But a few fanatical, especially psychopathic, "grand disciples" in the
> > Alachua area would tend to explain why the ritviks in that community seem
> > to have been pretty much silenced.
>
> > BTW, I found the following quote:
>
> > *The high drowning rate of older people ... They ... are more likely to
> > have health problems that can cause loss of consciousness while swimming,
> > such as a heart attack or low blood pressure. *(<
> >http://ilsf.org/drowning/facts>)
>
> > Did Sadaputa Prabhu have a history of heart problems?
>
> > Ys, Ptd

[Pratyatosa]

Good point, but even so, they are not going to take the risk of murdering him no matter how strongly he disagreed with them because he had no real power. Instead, this is a good reason for him to want to leave ISKCON altogether. It's also another possible reason for him to want to commit suicide!

Ys, Ptd

[Bhakta Mark]

I don't understand how you could say that he had no real power.

He was the foremost authority on Vedic cosmology as per the 5th canto.

After my comments here, you can find quotes from Srila Prabhupada in
which he specifically instructs his Temple of Vedic Planetarium be
based on the 5th canto.

If you search the vedabase, you will see scores of references to the
Plantarium by Prabhupada. too many to list. This is "the big
project".

Saduputa was the one who elucidated the 5th canto describing the
cosmology as it was to be portrayed in the plantetarium. Everyone who
was anyone in Iskcon knew that. In 1997, the TVOP project was largely
conceptualized, here are quotes from the Shri Mayapur News. Vol 1,
Number 2. October 1997.

"Sadaputa das was asked by the SMPDC to be the main designer for the
exhibitions that will play such a large part in the Temple of the
Vedic Planetarium. He works closely with Jayapataka Swami and
Priyavrata das. He is designing exhibits using 3D computer animation
and multimedia techniques."

"Pavilion 1, which will feature the work of Sadaputa prabhu, will
include a small planetarium, which will demonstrate the Vedic version
of the universe. There will also be an exhibition of Vedic
archaeology, following the descriptions of the various yugas in the
Markendeya Purana. Their will be a side exhibit showing the extent of
the influence of Vedic culture throughout the world."

Worst of all Sadaputa was going for the JUGULAR. - "The timescale of
human history held by modern archaeologists will be challenged. Many
anomalies have been disregarded to arrive at the current conclusions
about the origin of humankind. Recent research by Sadaputa prabhu into
the Markendeya Purana will show that evidence of previous yugas is
misinterpreted by modern science as 'primitive' and 'stone-age'."
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Funding dried up almost immediately for the Planetarium and exhibit
aspect of the Mayapura temple. The Project Development committee also
changed hands over the years. It took about 7 years for Iskcon to
begin research on the planetarium aspect. Some unnamed power player
"recruited" (appointed) the Joeseph Goebells of Iskcon (Spin Dr.
Ravindra Swarupa) as Project manager. Only then was Saduputa das
contacted again and made part of the research team. As per team
member "Carana Renu dasi"

CR dasi: "I had to wait a few more years before I would meet this
great ISKCON scientist. It happened after I became involved in
research work for the Temple of the Vedic Planetarium (TOVP). In early
2004 I met Pancharatna Prabhu who invited me to get involved in the
project. At that time there was no official research group for the
Vedic Planetarium. There had been earlier efforts, mainly by Sadaputa
Prabhu, which resulted in his book on Vedic cosmography and later his
Mysteries of the Sacred Universe, but, after the management and
finances for the TOVP project collapsed in the late 90s, there was no
organized research going on. I could see from the beginning that this
was a huge subject area to research, and that it was not a one man (or
one woman) job. I began to contact various qualified ISKCON scholars I
knew for their advice. Sadaputa Prabhu was an obvious choice. He
replied enthusiastically – he was keen to contribute. I could tell
even from the beginning that the TOVP project was very important to
him; not as an academic exercise, more like a life-mission; not for
his own intellectual prestige, but for the pleasure of his spiritual
master, Srila Prabhupada.

I drew up a list of research goals and objectives for the Vedic
Planetarium research project, then Ravindra Svarupa Prabhu was
recruited as the Project Leader and together we invited Sadaputa
Prabhu and others to form a research committee. In the beginning I
only knew Sadaputa through his emails.

I finally met Sadaputa in person when the research committee first met
in 2006 in Gainesville. My first impression was that he was gentle and
humble – quite a rare thing for a scientist. He was also funny. When
Brahmatirtha Prabhu introduced him as Sadaputa, he added with a smile
“or Sada-Putana as the local gurukulis call me.” During the meetings,
it was interesting for me to see how he would approach each subject
with his own unique perspective. He would analyse the issues with
extreme concentration, and present relevant observations that came
from a fresh and often unexpected angle. Practically everything he
spoke was deep and profound, spoken with such concentration and
intensity . I lost count of how many times I heard Ravindra Svarupa
Prabhu use the words “wow” and “far out” in those meetings. There was
certainly something very mysterious and sage-like about Sadaputa
Prabhu, but at the same time something very human and likable. He was
extremely broad minded, but not arrogant as some/many scientists can
be.

During the meetings, he contributed from his years of experience and
knowledge and helped to refine the research plan. After that we
continued to exchange emails on subjects such as the problems of
geocentrism, relativity, interpretations of the Fifth Canto and
Puranic cosmology in general.

I was fortunate to meet Sadaputa again in December 2007 at the ISKCON
Academy of Arts and Sciences Conference in New Vrindaban, where he
gave a presentation entitled “Interpretation and the Srimad
Bhagavatam.” He gave insights into sections of the Bhagavatam based on
his scientific background. He used the calculation of time from the
atom (3rd Canto) as one example, and Bhumandala (5th Canto) as
another."
http://sisumara.com/?p=144
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Sivarama Swami, confirms some of what the Mataji wrote above, and
gives us his recollection of what went down in 2008 that led up to the
Day Saduputa disappeared, including a decent timeline of events
illustrating the passing of TVOP leadership over the years.

"Sadaputa, Advaita and myself traveled to several science museums in
the US. After some research we came to know that Srila Prabhupada had
requested Ambarish prabhu to build a cultural center and planetarium
in Washington DC. I contacted Ambarish prabhu and he was initially
skeptical (again that “˜Oh no, not the Fifth Canto!) and then
cautiously supportive with the reassurance that Sadaputa could
actually pull it off without making us a laughing stock.

Thus in 1992 at the Mayapur GBC meetings we submitted a plan under the
auspices of a newly formed non-profit entity “˜Vedic Cultural
Foundation‘ to develop a medium sized Vedic cultural and science
museum with a planetariumon our ISKCON Potomac property. The GBC
passed the proposal.

What happened? We returned to America with the good news, only to find
that Narayan prabhu’s business had gone bust and our funding was
finished. We were not able to find alternative funding so the project
was shelved. It seemed like our year of endeavor had come to naught;
but there was the celebrated silver lining. During our Mayapur visit
we chanced to met with Padasevanam das, a fairly new devotee who had
recently been appointed as architect for the Mayapura TOVP. I was
surprised to find that Padasevanam was unaware of most of Srila
Prabhupada’s instructions for the planetarium, and he had no idea of
Sadaputa’s work. He had been told to make the planetarium a completely
separate building from the main temple. News that Srila Prabhupada had
said to put it in the main dome came as a revelation to him.

I brought Sadaputa prabhu and Padasevanam together. Harikesa Swami,
the SMPDC leader, was also unaware of Sadaputa’s work and after their
meetings their plans were revised. Sadaputa was officially brought
onto the Mayapur TOVP team and the planetarium was returned back into
the main building.

(Note, this corresponds with the 1997 newsletter quotes from the
beginning of this post)

For some years things seemed to progress but then in 1998 Harikesa
left the project, the funding collapsed and Sadaputa prabhu had to
temporarily set aside his work on the TOVP. It was another time of
frustration for him but his desire remained burning bright.

After some years things began to move ahead again. Ambarish prabhu
became the chairman of the Mayapur project development and a new
design was made. A team of scholars was formed under the leadership
of Ravindra Svarupa prabhu to study in detail the Vedic cosmology and
Sadaputa prabhu was participating as a key member of their executive
committee.

As the building became more detailed with floor plans and the GBC gave
its blessings to go ahead, it became clear that one vital element in
the main dome needed urgent attention. Srila Prabhupada had always
described the planetary situation as a kind of inverted tree and in a
letter from November 1976 he described a giant chandelier hanging
within the dome that would depict the movements of the major
planets““sun, moon, earth, pole star etc.

This year then, 2008, after consultations with the TOVP cosmology and
construction teams, Sadaputa prabhu was commissioned to design this
wonderous edifice which would show at a glance the Bhagavatam’s
description of our cosmos. He had all the necessary skills and
knowledge plus the practical bent of mind needed to accomplish the
task.

As the TOVP exhibits coordinator, I convened a meeting on June 10 2008
at Brahma Tirtha prabhu’s house in Gainesville FL to begin the work of
planning the exhibits that will go in the TOVP planetarium wing and
theater. A couple of days prior to the meeting I had the chance to
visit Sadaputa prabhu at his house. Tamraparni and Stitha Dhi Muni
prabhus invited me along to what had become weekly darshana in which
they would share their realizations and mainly just become inspired by
the insights and realizations flowing from Sadaputa’s remarkable
brain.

It was a reunion of sorts. I hadn’t seen Sadaputa prabhu since 1995
when I moved from Alachua to Mayapur. Now here we were together again,
in similar roles that we had before when we were planning the science
museum in 1991-92. I was gratified that he was happy to see me, and
naturally I was happy to see him. We spent a couple of hours going
over his vision of the planetarium and its use, he re-iterating the
shows he would like to develop and what he wanted to convey through
them. It was edifying and enlivening to see that he had lost none of
his old enthusiasm nor his clarity of thought. He was keen to
participate and that was a great reassurance.

In attendance at the main meeting were Jayapataka Swami, Sadaputa
prabhu,Ravindra Svarupa prabhu, Drutakarma prabhu, cosmology team
coordinator Sraddhadevi dasi, architects Anup and Vilasini Sharma,
Nitya Trpta dasi,Brahma Tirtha prabhu and myself. We had a one hour
presentation from GOTO, a company that has built hundreds of
planetariums around the world including a recent one at the Community
college in Gainesville.

We spent an excellent day laying the foundations for future
development of exhibits. One outcome was that Sadaputa prabhu would
submit drafts outlining the various shows he would present in the
planetarium theater. He assured us that he had enough material to keep
the planetarium working to capacity.

True to form, in the two months that followed, Sadaputa prabhu worked
methodically and efficiently on the design of the planetary
chandelier. With his knowledge of the Fifth Canto and his learning in
physics and mathematics, he came up with a thirteen page paper which
gives sufficient detail to enable the chandelier to be built. The next
step was for him to create a computer model of his descriptive and
then move to the actual engineering of it. He submitted his proposal
in mid-September, just days before his departure.

So near, yet so far. Where does this leave us?

I don’t think its an exaggeration to say “no Sadaputa, no
planetarium.’ Still we are confident we can move forward despite the
tremendous loss of his physical presence. Why? Because he was
industrious enough to write and publish all his thoughts and
realizations. If we can decipher his writings and manifest them into 3-
dimensional time and space we can perpetuate his genius through
generations to come. Thanks to Sadaputa prabhu’s brilliance Srila
Prabhupada’s dream can be fulfilled.
http://www.sivaramaswami.com/en/2008/09/26/sadaputa-prabhu-leaves-his-body/
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So, who are the current directors at TVOP mayapura?
Chairman (aka moneyman) Ambarish Ford, who was ordered to fund a
planetarium in DC.
Creative Director: Bhavananda (Yes the infamously notorious
Bhavananda)
Managing Director: Sadbuja Das (Right hand man of Iskcon Mafia titans
HH Gopal Krsna "Goswami" and Abhirama)

Science exhibits coordinartor: Hari Sauri das: (Yes that Uncle Harry
of swipe your credit card for Kali Puja in Prabhupada's temple fame)

Vedic cosmology Director: Antardwip das.

“The devotees who take action against the ritviks in all three
Rathayatras are generally our younger members. […] The blows the
ritviks get are given out of love for Srila Prabhupada. They are not
violence.”
(Antardwip Das, publisher, Vaisnava Connection, Vol. 8, Issue 2, March/
April 2005)

Antardwip das was given the service of interpreting Sadaputa's 13 page
paper that Sadaputa himself was to use to engineer the chandelier in
the TVOP. Antardwip das then gave his own design of the chandelier.

The design for the chandelier of Vedic Planetarium was just recently
approved by the GBC committee, and I was fortunate enough to interview
the designer, our very own, Antardwip Das. The chandelier is one of
the most intricate parts of the temple. It will show how the planets
move in the sky as depicted in the Srimad Bhagavatam.

http://tovp.org/en/news/blog/157-the-design-for-the-chandelier-of-vedic-planetarium
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Now, I don't know where I heard about a rumor of any disagreements
during these meetings. I don't remember the source, nor could I find
it written on the internet.

From Sivarama's account, there were simply multiple cordial
information gathering meetings in the months leading up to Sadaputa's
untimely disappearance.

It is a known fact that Danavir Goswami wrote a book entitled "vedic
cosmology" refuting Sadaputa's findings and claiming that Sadaputa was
going against the Bhagavat siddhanta and Srila Prabhupada's own
statements regarding Vedic cosmology.

So, I no longer see any motive for suicide unless there is something I
don't know about.

All I see is motive for murder. But this is something only I can see,
and it probably wouldn't be enough circumstantial evidence for a karmi
police investigation, because he doesn't understand the depth of
depravity these scoundrels have been willing to employ to get their
way.

I will state, that it is motive. I don't think it is strong motive.
But if anyone disagrees with me that there was some motive, especially
knowing the history of the principles now at the top of this project,
they are in deep maya.

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Morning Walk -- February 9, 1976, Mayapura :
Prabhupāda: ...from the Bhāgavatam. So this should be mentioned. It is
not only a temple, but a planetarium according to Bhāgavatam, where
which planet is situated, where is Vaikuṇṭhaloka, where is Goloka
Vṛndāvana, where is Mahar...

Morning Walk -- February 28, 1976, Mayapura
Devotee (4): "World's largest planetarium and Temple of
Understanding."
Prabhupāda: No "Understanding" simply Vedic "Temple of Vedic
Planetarium," That's all. We shall show the Vedic conception of
planetary system within this material world and above the material
world. [break] We are going to exhibit the Vedic culture throughout
the whole world, and they'll come here.


Morning Walk -- March 18, 1976, Mayapura:
All he had to do was go public and Prabhupāda: So whatever thoughts
are coming, you note it. Keep it. We shall utilize it with reference,
with reference to the śāstra.
Gurudāsa: Jaya. [break]
Jayapatākā: This special exhibition building?
Prabhupāda: Bhāgavata. Take every page of Bhāgavata. And I think
every year there should be change.
Haṁsadūta: New exhibit.
Prabhupāda: New exhibit.

Room Conversation -- June 15, 1976, Detroit : 760615r3.det :
Prabhupāda: Now you all together make this Vedic planetarium very
nice, so that people will come and see. From the description of the
Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, you prepare this Vedic planetarium. How do you like
this idea, Vedic planetarium?

September 1, 1976, Delhi : 760901ed.del :
Prabhupāda: We are trying for another big scheme in Bengal. We have
applied to the government to acquire land, 350 acres, a big
planetarium. Planetarium. We have described the planetarium in our
Fifth Canto of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. In that planetarium it is said that
the moon is above the sun planet. By one million six hundred thousand
miles.

Dr. Kapoor -- July 26, 1977, Vrndavana : 770726rc.vrn :
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So he offered everything he has to Prabhupāda. So Śrīla
Prabhupāda has requested him to build a large building and put in a
Vedic planetarium in Washington, D.C., capital of the United States,
right near the White House, with the Vedic planetary system according
to the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, Fifth Canto.

[Ron P Conroy]

thank you Bhakta Mark for all that info.

much appreciated.

where are the conversations showing that Sadaputa prabhu was "strident in speaking against, and resisting the final blueprint". ?

am now reading Vedic Cosmology by Danavir goswami, is there a place in particular in this book which shows Danavir goswami's disagreement with Sadaputa prabhu ?
satyahit das 

thank you 

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[Ron P Conroy]

jai prabhu's

i have been reading Sadaputa prabhu's various books .

 used to see him here in Gainesville FL sometimes at the Krsna House or at the Alachua temple before he passed on. 

I was very dismayed and puzeled by his passing. Heart attack etc. he was thinner than i and of course vegetarian .

One devotee said he was doing some work for NASA at the  time. 

Does anyone have more information surrounding his passing ?

sd   

[Pratyatosa]

I could be wrong, but I have the feeling that it was actually a suicide. Is there any indication that he knew that he was going to leave his body at that particular time?

Ys, Ptd

[Bhakta Mark]

You mean a "suicide" right?

On Jan 12, 3:43 pm, Pratyatosa <pratyat...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I could be wrong, but I have the feeling that it was actually a suicide. Is
> there any indication that he knew that he was going to leave his body at
> that particular time?
>
> Ys, Ptd
>

[Pratyatosa]

Isn't that what I said?

[Bhakta Mark]

Sorry if I was obtuse or opaque with my subtlety.

I put the word suicide in quotes. "" ""

As in "shot twice in the head" suicide

[Pratyatosa]

Oh. I get it. Sometimes I'm a little dense.

No. I don't mean that type of suicide. I mean an actual suicide type suicide.

Ys, Ptd

On Sat, Jan 12, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Bhakta Mark <markm...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Sorry if I was obtuse or opaque with my subtlety.

I put the word suicide in quotes.  "" ""

As in "shot twice in the head" suicide.

[Ron P Conroy]

why do you have that feeling prabhu ?

from what basis ?  

i never imagined that . 

am reading Alien Identities now, his last chapter is especially interesting. 

the ways he sees krsna consciousness is interesting. 

i did not know him personally but when ever i saw him he was calm and peaceful. 

Krsna Kripa prabhu, who is here in Gainesville fl, apparently worked for him for 16 years .    

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[Pratyatosa]

I have the feeling that Sadaputa Prabhu was a closet ritvik. How could he not have been? He was an extremely intelligent, independent thinker.

But the trouble was that he had been forced to marry a Brazilian, Jewish, ritvik-bashing seductress who was already infamous for having had an improper or even illicit relationship with her "guru," Hridayananda "Swami!"

Maybe the GBC considered Sadaputa to be a threat, and therefore sent her to do the nasty deed, or maybe Hridayanada sicced her on poor Sadaputa to try to kill 2 birds with one stone: 1) end the gossip that he (Hridayanada) was having a scandalous relationship with her, and 2) increase GBC control over Sadaputa. I think that Sadaputa felt trapped, not only by his marriage, but also because he knew that the ritviks are right, and that ISKCON had been taken over by a bunch of criminals.

If possible, please forward this message to Krishnakripa Prabhu. Maybe we can get some further input from him. When I was there in late 1996, working for Sadaputa wiring a 10/baseT computer network, I got the feeling that Krishnakripa didn't like Sadaputa's wife. Not long after that Krishnakripa quit working for Sadaputa, and moved out-of-town.

Ys, Ptd

[Ron P Conroy]

interesting prabhu.

but Sadaputa prabhu was not forced to marry , was he ? how so ?

and he had children. i don't know how many . I saw his daughter 10/12 or so, go up to him outside the Alachua temple and she screamed at him to give her 2 $'s. he did so, calmly without saying anything.   

 I think Krsna Kripa is at the krsna house now . i don't have his email . 

i spose i could broach the subject with him if i see him.. 

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[Bhakta Mark]

If he was as spiritually intelligent as he was materially
intellectual, he would have divorced himself from Its a Con, just like
so many others have. In the process, divorced his honey pot wife and
let her take the ingrate of a maya-devi daughter along with her. Then
he would have sought proper association by hook or by crook, or simply
lived in isolation like so many others who have discerned the truth.
He certainly had the material talents to support himself in a
comfortable condo or apartment somewhere.

If he was so intelligent, as I believe he was, perhaps that is what he
was considering doing.

There was also a rumor floating around just after his death, and I
read that rumor confirmed by a couple devotees, that shortly before
his death (as in weeks at most) there was a meeting at his home
consisting of some senior Iskcon leaders, at which Sadaputa expressed
some concern and opposition regarding the direction of the Vedic
Planetarium project.

It may have also been discovered that he was in the planning stages of
divorcing his wife, and distancing himself from Iskcon altogether.
This could have been revealed by himself in an unguarded moment of
weakness where he confessed in frustration to his wife or to
"friends", or through someone snooping on him.

Thus "suicide by 3 shots to the head" is much more likely than such a
stalwart killing himself in the face of opposition. I hope you
wouldn't put it past the current administration after their proven
history of sinister malice.

On Jan 13, 7:09 am, Pratyatosa <pratyat...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have the feeling that Sadaputa Prabhu was a closet ritvik. How could he
> not have been? He was an extremely intelligent, independent thinker.
>
> But the trouble was that he had been forced to marry a Brazilian, Jewish,
> ritvik-bashing seductress who was already infamous for having had an
> improper or even illicit relationship with her "guru," Hridayananda "Swami!"
>
> Maybe the GBC considered Sadaputa to be a threat, and therefore sent her to
> do the nasty deed, or maybe Hridayanada sicced her on poor Sadaputa to try
> to kill 2 birds with one stone: 1) end the gossip that he (Hridayanada) was
> having a scandalous relationship with her, and 2) increase GBC control over
> Sadaputa. I think that Sadaputa felt trapped, not only by his marriage, but
> also because he knew that the ritviks are right, and that ISKCON had been
> taken over by a bunch of criminals.
>
> If possible, please forward this message to Krishnakripa Prabhu. Maybe we
> can get some further input from him. When I was there in late 1996, working
> for Sadaputa wiring a 10/baseT computer network, I got the feeling that
> Krishnakripa didn't like Sadaputa's wife. Not long after that Krishnakripa
> quit working for Sadaputa, and moved out-of-town.
>
> Ys, Ptd
>

> On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 6:27 AM, Ron P Conroy <satyah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > *why do you have that feeling prabhu ?*
> > *from what basis ?  *
> > *i never imagined that . *
> > *am reading Alien Identities now, his last chapter is especially
> > interesting. *
> > *the ways he sees krsna consciousness is interesting. *
> > *i did not know him personally but when ever i saw him he was calm and
> > peaceful. *
> > *Krsna Kripa prabhu, who is here in Gainesville fl, apparently worked for
> > him for 16 years .*

[Mario Pineda]

Hare Krishna. Jai Srila PRabhupada!

It is most rare that a person will commit suicide by drowning in a pool. However, it is a very good way to kill someone by drowning in a pool. Silent, no forensic evidence due to the water, etc.
The moment I heard about Sadaputa dasa's drowning, the person "closest" to him came to mind. In all criminal investigations, the closest people to the murdered person are investigated. Their back ground plays a big role. So what is the back ground of his then wife for example? Who was she connected to, etc? Who was to gain from his passing? Personally, I suspect Sadaputa dasa, may have been murdered. Thanks.

Sincerely,

Mahatma dasa

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[Pratyatosa]

Dear Satyahit Prabhu, his daughter screamed at him! His wife screamed at me when I was there in 1996! Ever since then, I've been thinking of her as 'the devil's grandmother!"

I think that it was Krishnakripa Prabhu who confided in me that Sataputa had been extremely agitated by sex desire for years before she came along! If Sadaputa Prabhu fell down with her, she could have demanded that he marry her "or else!" This demand could have been backed up by ISKCON leaders who were trying to control his free-spirited mind!

Ys, Ptd

[Pratyatosa]

Wow! Thanks, Bhakta Mark Prabhu. Your analysis of the situation makes sense. (Three in the head, you know they're dead.)

What good is a community of supposedly older, advanced devotees if a world famous devotee like Sadaputa Prabhu could be murdered in their midst and the murderers seemingly get away with it? And in 21st century America at that! How is it possible? Are the government authorities that stupid, or what? Why was a thorough investigation not demanded?

Speaking of Sadaputa being able to support himself independently, during the 80s and the first half of the 90s my wife, my children and I would journey to New York City once a year to visit my mother-in-law in her high-class apartment on 68th and Broadway. Since my 2nd to the last job in NYC (1977) was as a contract computer programmer working for the Money Market Division of Citibank on Wall Street, I was extremely interested in reading the help-wanted ads in the Sunday New York Times to see what the going rate was. I remember telling Sadaputa, when I rode with him from ISKCON NY (Brooklyn) to Hillsborough, NC in 1994, that the going rate for contract programmers on Wall Street, with his qualifications (PhD in mathematics), was $1000.00 per day!

I also vaguely remember traveling with him from ISKCON NY (Manhattan) in 1977 (and back) to show him the then unoccupied 2-bedroom cabin that my wife and I had rented near the Gita-nagari farm for only $100 per month.

Someone should go to the local police there in Alachua and inquire about the possibility of getting the case reopened as a suspected murder.

Ys, Ptd

[Pratyatosa]

Good points Mahatma Prabhu, but I was thinking that Sadaputa Prabhu is such a gentleman, he might have wanted to make it look like he died of natural causes in order to make it easier for his close associates.

But you are right, murder does seem more likely than suicide at this point.

Ys, Ptd

[Bhakta Mark]

I have heard it said that if you are determined, that drowning is the
most peaceful way to go out. Hard to imagine that the brief moment of
pain encountered when blowing one's brains out with a 45 hollow point
would be worse than choking on water and the anxiety that would go
with it.

Of course such morbid testimony would have come from someone who
drowned and was resuscitated.

The City of Gainesville, City of Alachua, and the Alachua in general
are left wing Globalist strongholds on the take. You won't get
justice there, trust me. Unless it is of the divine kind, which is
coming.

On Jan 13, 4:06 pm, Pratyatosa <pratyat...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Good points Mahatma Prabhu, but I was thinking that Sadaputa Prabhu is such
> a gentleman, he might have wanted to make it look like he died of natural
> causes in order to make it easier for his close associates.
>
> But you are right, murder does seem more likely than suicide at this point.
>
> Ys, Ptd
>

[Pratyatosa]

So, Bhakta Mark Prabhu, in light of all of this new information, what was it? Suicide, murder, or natural causes?

Ys, Ptd

[Pratyatosa]

In answer to my own question, I still think, even in light of all of this new information, that it was most likely either a suicide or death by natural causes. The ISKCON leaders got in a lot of hot water over the murder of Sulocana Prabhu. Therefore, they don't do that sort of thing anymore, at least in America they don't. Also, I don't think that Sadaputa's wife wants the burden of having to raise a daughter all by herself.

Ys, Ptd

[Bhakta Mark]

The real question is motive.

If the motive is great enough, people will do anything.

The amounts of money flowing into that TVOP project are staggering, as
is the prestige and social status to be gained by those who made it
their pet project.

The real question is how strong were Saduputa's objections and what
did he propose to do about it?

There is no shortage of vicious psychopathic devotees in Alachua.
There are not many, but there is no shortage.I am not talking your
garden variety sociopath which MANY are. I mean heart of darkness and
capable of a viciousness that I have witnessed in glimmers too many
times to count in my time there.

They have associations with the worst of the local rural white
methhead criminals and the Black(negro) mafia. These so called
devotees do literally anything if asked by one of their worshipful
superiors, and would do any deed for the right price, or farm it out
to the locals, which I know for a fact happened regularly as a
punishment to anyone who spoke out strongly over the years. It was
mainly limited to theft and assault, but attempted murder was part of
the game as well. And many of these insane younger generation
devotees are CONSTANTLY on strong drugs. They are wild eyed, or dead
eyed, but no vision other than hell.

Remember, these fanatics are capable of rationalizing anything. And
if you haven't noticed, our philosophy can be misconstrued to justify
a heinous murder if the person being duped is fanatic enough, and
their superior speaks artfully enough.

That said, the potential is more than available.

A proper investigation however always seeks to determine motive,
before taking the next step.

[Pratyatosa]

It doesn't seem like Sadaputa Prabhu having objections to the way a building was being built would provide sufficient motivation for a murder. Keep in mind that the Sulocana murder was motivated by his threats to murder a "guru!" A "guru" who happened to have the most fanatical followers of any of the ISKCON "gurus!" Also, these same fanatical followers had seemingly gotten away with murder in the past.

But a few fanatical, especially

psychopathic, "grand disciples" in the Alachua area would tend to explain why the ritviks in that community seem to have been pretty much silenced.

BTW, I found the following quote:

The high drowning rate of older people ... They ... are more likely to have health problems that can cause loss of consciousness while swimming, such as a heart attack or low blood pressure. (<http://ilsf.org/drowning/facts>)

Did Sadaputa Prabhu have a history of heart problems?

Ys, Ptd

[Pratyatosa]

On the other hand, it's news to me that Sadaputa Prabhu was thinking about divorcing his wife, but not surprising, considering that she seemed to me to be the "devil's grandmother," and she seemed to fit the description of a psychopath. It might have been the result of her rage against the prospect of him divorcing her that caused her to either kill him herself or to hire a hit man to do the nasty deed! :-(

Such "crimes of passion" are relatively common, aren't they?

Did she have an alibi?

Ys, Ptd