Why Puranjana TIM LEE PADA stinks as much as the stool he meditates on

[Lakshmi Kary]

Hare Krishna
Dear All,
I offer my humble obeisances to all the Vaishnava devotees of the
world who have dedicated their lives to the spreading of the Holy name
and are servants of Srila Prabhupada.
Today I got a call from a nice man who has just heard bits and pieces
of KC and is reading some of Srila Prabhupadas books. He thought he
would go online and read more about K.C. as he is getting more
interested lately.He typed in " Harekrishna" and expecting to get some
nectar on KC, he got PURANJANAs site instead.

So this new devotee, came across TIM LEE AKA PURANJANA AKA PADA
website where on the front page he states under SP picture " Poisoned
to death by a coterie of his leading secretaries, plotting to take
over the movement for the exploitation of societies members and
assets"

Puranjana you should start this out by saying "myself and some others
THINK" ...SP was poisoned.
There are NO proven facts. No facts Ive seen or heard that convince me
or a court of law, that there was some diabolical plot to murder an
already dying man. Yes, the few lines where SP says something, someone
is poisoning him is vague, and many interpretations can be made.
I think it might be that he said, "Puranjana is poisoning me".
Just your ears against mine!!!! He had arsenic in his hair, join the
club so do large groups of people in India.

and on the right side of the page under Sulocanas
picture in bold "(Murdered) Murdered by fanatic cult members of the
Hare Krishna sect May 22nd, 1986, 1:00 a.m., Los Angeles, two days
after publishing his book: "The Guru Business" exposing the false
ISKCON successer gurus.
Then this new devotee proceeds to read "Monkey on a stick" .

Monkey on a stick is a fictional NOVEL written around some facts, and
alot of heresay.Puranjana has decided to connect this book written in
a very derogatory way and with added fiction to make it interesting
and dramatic,
to a website "harekrishna.org"
From the beginning of Monkey on a stick -

"""""Dialogue, thoughts, and feelings have been re-created based on
this research in an attempt to establish the essence of what occurred.
In a few instances, the authors have created dramatizations based on
their analysis of the participants' personalities and on subsequent
events. These instances are pointed out in the Notes.
Of the scores of people the reader will encounter in this book, five
are portrayed with pseudonyms to protect their privacy, and two are
composite characters. These are also pointed out in the Notes.""
So I want to know Puranjana, why you are deliberately propagating
something that is pointed out to be dramatized with fictional things-
even by the authors- to make it a good sell?????

I WANT TO KNOW PURANJANA WHY YOU ARE DELIBERATELY PROPAGATING
SOMETHING THAT IS POINTED OUT TO BE DRAMATIZED WITH FICTIONAL
INFO ?????
I think you are a lier, fabricator, paranoid schizophrenic type person
who suffers from torrettes syndrome and an inferiority complex. While
you might have people that agree with you, most devotees conscience
would stop them from writing such wide spread BS and blasting it
across the internet and embarrassing themselves as you do.

WHAT GREAT QUALTIES DO YOU THINK YOU HAVE THAT YOU CAN TURN STOOL INTO
SOMETHING OTHER THAN STOOL?
Do us all, and do Srila Prabhupada a favor and take all the BS off
your website. Monkey on stick isnt a FACT.
All your references about so many people trying to kill you etc -
paranoia.
How many people have been arrested for beating you?
I know real devotees who were beaten for going against ISKCON, but
funny thing is you think you are a messiah
angel108 is your e-mail, funny thing, many real devotees think they
are lower than a worm, but you think you are
"angel".
In short, you are JUST A BAD AS THE VERY PEOPLE YOU POINT THE FINGER
AT.
STOP KICKING STOOL ON SP WHILE YOU ARE BUSY TRYING TO KICK STOOL ON
OTHERS AND YOURSELF.
So thanks for all your great preaching there! You doing a great
service making SP look like the leader of a bunch of nuts and rouges.
I bet under neath all that dense consciousness of yours lurks alot of
envy and anger that you
were just a no body in the movement, with a looser life and all you
have, is to pass as much foul gas as you can
to make a big stink so people will notice you.
thanks ,
I feel much better now, even with the above it doesnt come close to
all the stuff thats on your website.
Lakshmi

[tim lee]

Dear Laksmi, Really prabhu, we have no other options other than to go public media. I cannot go into a GBC meeting and tell them what is what, they will get their goondas to take me out of there by force in no time flat. Then again I have not seen them taking people like you serious at all. I am sorry you have to be part of all this, but its a society wide issue, not just you and me alone.

Clearly, history has confirmed my version of events by all kinds of media coverage: which shows that Kirtanananda and his team had Sulochana murdered, and just after that, New Vrndavana sent three goondas to chase me down the street in Berkeley to tear me apart, fortunately the police saved me. And if you do not believe me ... ask officer Joe Sanchez, he is the one who cuffed these three goondas (two of whom were from Berkeley originally and had gone to New Vrndavana with Hansadutta when all the Berkeley devotees were ordered to go there) ... like Mr. Rathayatra dasa.

They were sent by the leaders to do me great bodily harm or kill me, that's all there is to it. The police knew they were after me because they were tapping into NV phones (then their place was raided by the Federal Marshalls remember?), that is why they assigned a police detail to watch over me. OK, this did not happen? Well then why do the police know this is what happened?

These goondas were sent to get me, if you do not believe me, ask officer Joe? Why is this a lie, since it is verified by the police? Joe Sanchez also made 72 felony arrests in a short time against residents of the Berkeley temple, this is all proven, and as such, he got an award from the city of Berkeley for making a record number of felony arrests in such a short time. And he told me, "All I had to do was park in front of the temple and wait for some of Hansadutta's felonious crooked and criminal followers to walk out" ... that is all recorded police log history?

Ask Joe Sanchez if he required me to phone the police station every day in Berkeley so he could check on my safety. Yes, just after Sulochana was murdered by the New Vrndavana people, Hansadutta invited the New Vrndavana worst violent goondas people to Berkeley, and simultaneously the FBI told Joe Sanchez I was next because they found a note with my licence plate number in Tirtha's pocket, so the police said I was next, they wanted me to flee Berkeley and offered me free legal witness protection services, are you smarter than the police? No you are not. Clearly, without the police, I'd be dead. Everyone knew that Kirtanananda was after Sulochana and me, especially all these elders and leaders. They had hung me out to dry, as they say in mafia speak. Trivrikrama said he was amazed I was still alive, he too knew they were out to get me. Everyone knew I was a marked man, ok except you bubble heads.

The humble pie devotees who tried to make a protest within ISKCON, and not use my noisy media approach, like Tarun and Chatur Bahu for example, they were murdered. In sum, my noisy approach is the only reason I am now alive, period.

I get favorable letters all the time from people all over the world, and there is really no way to connect with them other than public media. New people who join and do not know what I am saying, often as not end up getting victimized, and then much later, they write me saying, thanks to God that I found your site.

I am being very fair with you, and have already made you an offer, If there are any specific things you can name on my site as false, I will remove that from the site. You have failed to tell me what specifically is incorrect? I also do not have all of the data on my site, some of the victims have told me not to give their stories because they will be identified from their story and face retributions. I know all kinds of worse stories than are on my site. As for Monkey On A Stick, ok not all of it is fully accurate, for example it does not even detail all the child abuse that was going on at New Vrndavana and all around ISKCON in India at the time, it does not even mention all the hundreds of other devotees, children and women who were being beaten and abused, and so many stories of things like sodomy and physical abuse of children that I know of because I talked to these victims.

A number of these victims signed onto the Windle Turley lawsuit, are you saying that the over 1,000 collected testimones of molested and abused children is all "Puranjana's lies"? Well good luck there pardner. Like i said, the public option is the only option for a whistle blower in ISKCON, trying to protest within ends up in beatings, and death. I am sorry new people are seeing this, but I'd rather them see that some of us are trying to clean this up rather than have them think we are all agreeing with this corruption. If you see specific items that are not true, what are they? And do not forget, I only have 50 percent of what I know on my site, I have a lot more people who have told me their stories and they want to remain anonymous OUT OF FEAR. Are these people simply fools? No, they know there is something to fear. As for the GBC, they are spending millions suing us in India, we have to expose them and we are going to do that until these attacks on
vaishnavas cease and desist. ys pd

[Shyamasundara dasa]

Hare Krishna Lakshmi
That's great news that the nice man who called you found the PADA
Alerts right away when he put HARE KRISHNA into Google. This shows
that our campaign is really working, and it is warning people (like
this nice man) right from the get go about the dangers of being
ensnared by the shyster hijackers. Puranjana isn't acting alone.
He's not some crack pot half baked whacko obsessed with stool as you
suggest. Oh no. I first me Puranjana Prabhu in LA nearly 20 years
ago, and I knew then and I knew now that he's serious about Srila
Prabhupada and Krishna consciousness. He's a serious devotee. And so
also is the BIG WIDE loose knit alliance which supports him. And
there are highly credible devotees such as Yasodanandana & Madhu
Pandit Prabhus as part of that alliance. You think devotees like this
would want to be seen with their names publically connected to
Puranjana if Puranjana was so off the wall as you suggest? No, they
would not want to be seen dead with him. Thus the fact is you've
somehow got the wrong end of the stick. Puranjana IS an angel because
he is at the forefront of SAVING COUNTLESS SOULS from being led to the
slaughterhouse of cult enforced ritualistic homosexual pedophile
worship. Actually, nowadays anyone with half a brain who comes across
devotees for the first time does a Google on ISKCON, and bingo! up
comes the other side of the spin job. If we had it your way, it would
just be business as usual for the hijackers. Is that really what you
want? As for the Poison Issue, I refer you to the BIF Mission
Statement www.B-I-F.com/mission.htm
Would you like to take issue with that? We'll gladly take you on.
Shyamasundara dasa

[Ken McLEOD]

Thanks to this great soul Puranjana Prabhu this so called stool is now being cleaned up. Last time I looked the facts were all still there in writing! Yes, Iskcon did have a $400,000000 lawsuit filed against it, yes Iskcon did have and still has to this day a bogus stool guru system which has kicked out isolated and oppressed thousands of followers of Srila Prabhupada. This so called stool has and is changing Srila Prabhupadas books, pandering to the homosex agenda, etc, etc and turning His Society into a karmi corporation which gives lots of money to those at the top of the invented stool guru system.
 
Thanks to the hard endevours of Puranjana Prabhu the stool sewer would be over-flowing and unabled to be emptied out.
 
Dear Puranjana please keep on pouring the stool on the heads of these people who, ...either just don't get it, or who deliberately seek to mislead others in the name of Krishna!
 
 
> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 17:51:58 -0800
> Subject: [Prabhupadanuga] Re: Why Puranjana TIM LEE PADA stinks as much as the stool he meditates on
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Let me add "http" to the BIF website link to make it work properly.
Here it is ...
http://www.B-I-F.com/mission.htm


On Dec 17, 8:51 pm, Shyamasundara dasa <shyamasund...@disciples.com>
wrote:

[Satyahit]

His use of English , his gramar, his vocabulary, his depth of
thought , his style , all need much improvement, in order that Srila
Prabhupada be seen in a much better light. that was laksmi,s point !
truth is there in his discourse, but it should also help new people to
be krsna conscious . his dialogue should please his guru ,

Sent from my iPod

On Dec 17, 2010, at 8:51 PM, Shyamasundara dasa <shyama...@disciples.com
> wrote:

[tim lee]

Thanks Satyahit prabhu, the point is, if there is a lot of bad things being reported by me, this begs the question: who put all these problems into ISKCON in the first place? For example lets ask Laksmi, who kicked out all the wonderful hundreds of Srila Prabhupada devotees from Berkeley causing a number of them to die from drugs, alcohol, depression and of course who can forget cancer and untimely death from depression (like mother Tribhuva) etc, then threatened to have them beaten by violent goondas if they dared return, and brought into Berkeley temple instead: at least a 100 vicious criminals who were then being constantly arrested and busted by the police on a daily basis and this was creating horrible PUBLIC PRESS media for Berkeley and San Francisco ISKCON all over, even in NATIONAL news public media? Mother Kelilalita told me the temple was "the most depressing place in the Bay Area." Who made it that way? Not me!

Who created the whole stool pie mess: "San Francisco Chronicle's machine gun swami story" "Bee newspapers Krishna files stories" "Mt Kailasha farm busted by Federal Marhsalls stories" "ISKCON swami arrested after he shoots out front windows of car dealerships and four other occupied buildings with four guns" "ISKCON guru arrested for starting a fight on airline flight," "swami in Haight Ashbury drug rehab program" etc. and so on ad infinitum in public NEWSPAPER stories, that was reported in ALL the local San Francisco newspapers and TV news, it was not me. This is the stool that is NOT created by me, I simply reported and analysed these news stories. Now you are worried about public opinion, ok, but you were never worried before this, all this was in the public newspapers for years and years and years, where were you folks then?

It is not me that caused any of this for certain, I am simply reporting all these problems. You people are blaming the messenger. I put none of this sewer mess into ISKCON and PUBLIC NEWS MEDIA, all I have done is to report about it. And if there is a better grammatical way of saying "the enforced cult ritualistic worship of homosexual pedophile messiah's regime" I'd like to know what is the better grammar version? In other words, waiting for you folks, none of this would have been explained and so "new people" would think that Krishna teaches that you need to worship perverts, drug addicts, gun shooting and percodan messsiahs, and assorted deviants, as His acharyas?

Sorry that is NOT what Krishna teaches, Krishna says you need to worship a pure devotee: and that is all He has ever said for the past two quadrillion kalpas, and forever before that as well. Krisna never says you need to worship the GBC and their deviants and pedophile gurus in order to attain Him, its simply not what He says. As for Laksmi, she does not EVER participate in ISKCON at all, she lives totally aloof 100 miles from the temple, she has no interest in participating in ISKCON herself, so she should not lecture any of us that we need to. This is ritvik-diculous. Why does she not live in the temple and "work with" them, because she cannot work with them either. This is called hypocrisy. ys pd

[lakshmi kary]

Hare Krishna

Dear Shyamasundara,

First of all I don't know what the solution is. If Bhavananda is really a guru again in ISKCON, then the first page

of PADA should have a warning , "beware of these current members of ISCKON.

 

Is the institution that was created by Srila Prabhupada bad,  or are SOME of the people in it bad???

 

Then list some REAL testimonies WITH DATES from people who had some first hand experience.He can leave it anonymous.Start with current day and work backwards.These people are the current problems.

 

Instead of glorifying Sulocana, who was also a wife abuser, and control freak and crazy in his own right,

have a tab about how the books have been changed or somehow set it up LIKE A NORMAL person might do

in the real world. When you get the drift that someone is mixing here -say and such with facts the tendency is to discount it,,, ya I know some people still buy the national enquirer,,, so if Purajana and you want to appeal to those types of people, go ahead.

 

If you had read any of my previous posts, i have mentioned that there is a place for Puranjanas "service".

However, because the teenager like way he speaks and writes, which is written alot like he is trying to make himself out to be some great messiah himself, he also is making Srila Prabhupada look bad.

He seems to forget through his style of writing ,( that is akin to a teenagers ISKCON inquirer), that he is also writing about the VERY INSTITUTION that SP set up and the very people he endorsed and put in charge.

 

So despite the fact that he just doesn't get it, Ive asked him to write more like a newspaper article,

not dramatic and hysterical,but  FACTUAL, leave out the fabricated stuff, ' like monkey on stick',

which while it has some facts, is a fictional novel, meant to get people to buy it.

 

Leave Srila Prabhpada out of it, so it DOESN'T look like he has anything to do with it, instead of newcomers thinking he is the person who led all these people etc etc.

Just think of all the connotations to the word "cult". There was the MOONIES, RAJNESH, Koresh, and so many others! Why , why do you want to make a website that associates SP in a way with that sort of thing??????

Puranjana makes it out like ISKCON is the only place where these things happen.

Wake up, ISKCON has the same problems as everywhere else, and society too!

In fact, unless you like is pure as gold you are also one of those degraded Hare Krishnas too! Why are yu and Puranjana associating yourself with ISKCON? Sounds like you were also part of it?

 

Also keep in mind I WAS in Berkeley when Puranjana was there living in his camper in the parking lot.

He himself told me NO ONE ELSE would let him stay at their temple. But Hansadutta did.

 Hansadutta also had alot of other "undesirables- ex street people, ex- criminals etc "  they shaved up, become devotees and serve, many are STILL CHANTING< STILL serving Krishna in some capacity.

Many of those fallen devotees that SP had placed in some position MADE HUNDREDS of devotees, distributed thousands of books, went on Harinam, distributed prasad, etc.

 

I haven't see ONE ISKCON temple that is anywhere NEAR the capacity of membership and PREACHING etc

as there was when s ome of the original gurus where around.! Funny twist isnt it.And many of those devotees are still around chanting Hare Krishna and following Srila Prabhupadas books and instructions.

 

So whats your idea, scare everyone away from ISKCON and come associate with Purajana and listen to him be obsessed with various sex talk?

I DO know Puranjana too, I know about his Dont you see there is something wrong with a person who is obcessed with other people sex issues??

I also know about his  wife, his kids etc,,I probably know alot more than he thinks I know about his PRIVATE life. But because I don't want to broadcast his , and his families dirty laundry in public I wont. But he was just a much of the crazy Hare Krishna people that he claims to condemn as the rest of them.

Geez he even DELIBERATELY moved to a city where he KNEW his family, his KIDS, would be in contact with the very people he despises!.

The thing that gets me is you( all you Puranjana supporters) in general are a bunch of ANGRY, out of control,

opposite of swami type people, who seem to lack all sorts of introspection and perspective, and refuse to talk and act like the Hare Krishna devotees Srila Prabhupada wanted to represent his movement.

 

ISNT IT POSSIBLE TO REPORT FACTS, in a way that doesnt make Srila Prabhupada look bad, and yet sound believable?? Puranjana writes so many stupid things like "pigeon" sex??? who is going to take him seriously.

In fact , he personally told me in front of my young children,at a Rathayatra, that Hansadutta tried to kill him ...

so I asked him when and where, .... well he went through so many hems and oh this that,....

totally full of CRAP, and lies. Then he changed his story to that is was 'someone else' Hansadutta sent..

get real, if you knew Puranjana in person(lately) you would see he is a paranoid type person, surrounded by a crazy lifestyle.

If you and Puranjana and others want to write something people will take seriously stop writing using all your pigeon, homo sex this that, remember that these things happen everywhere else in the world and in society and a person doesnt have to have JOINED SRILA PRABHUPADAS SANKIRTAN MISSION to have things happen.

At some point people have to take some responsibility for their own actions too. YOU DIDN'T NEED TO be in a gurukula to be abused or get beaten.... Im an astrologer and you would be SHOCKED to hear all the unspoken stuff in people lives, karmis lives etc.

So keep things in perspective.

LIke why LEAVE your kids with street people to babysit> why leave your kids running loose around a temple without supervision?, why ditch your kid in a gurukula so you can be a big sankirtana person??

WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES, we all fall, we all did , and have done things that we regret, or would've don't differently.But dont blame SP!

To make Srila Prabhupada look bad because of our/yours/ and others fall downs mistakes, succumbing to

maya etc is wrong.

Shyamasundar, so where are all your new recruits? Whats your service?

WHAT DO YOU DO THAT GIVES YOU SOME POSITION TO ENDORSE PURANJANA as an angel?

Are you an angel yourself? Lets find some angelic devotee who will offer their obeisances to Puranjana

and endorse his tactics??

Puranjana and his endorsers seem not to be spending very much time reading SP books and listening to his lectures.  I bet IF YOU and Puranjana would spend equal time listening to SP and reading his writing wouldn't sound the way it does!!

In fact ever time I write one of these posts I need to go turn on some nice soothing sanity coming from SP.

Id like you to imagine youself with SP, looking at Puranjanas website and ask yourself if he would like to read all that pigeon sex?

Hed probably say why dont you spend so much time and energy with a KC website.

Just my opinion, and I dont have any power to change ISKCON . Only some power to get up and chant, do some service and extend my hand to people interested in Krishna.

So I leave it to you to wallow in all that stuff and see where it gets you.

I think you guys are going about it all wrong, just my opinion.

with regards

Lakshmi

 

 

 

 

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[Bhaktatraveler]

NOT!

There is no wrong way to do a right thing. Any preaching about ISKCON needs a disclaimer. Puranjana provides that!

He is expertly equipped to deliver what he does, as is! If the newbie can't surpass Puranjana's preaching style, then the adherent can not distinguish between the qualifications of Guru(pure devotee) and the inevitability of His disciples mistakes(conditioned souls), then what use will he be to Srila Prabhupada? Just third class picked up. The hard lessons are to be faced head on, not head in the sand.

First class trained up must include the true history of the past(pressent) ISKCON mistakes and pit falls many of us can fall into.

Have at it PADA!

Hare Krsna,

RCBhakti

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Sent: Sat, December 18, 2010 9:37:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Prabhupadanuga] Re: Why Puranjana TIM LEE PADA stinks as much as the stool he meditates on

[mark mclaughlin]

Satyahit das. And you are such an expert on what pleases Srila Prabhupada?  I doubt it. Where is your temple community filled with devotees who act faithfully within their honestly assessed varna and asrama, following the comprehensive vani of Srila Prabhupada?  And you must be one of the head elders to be so easy with your criticism of Puranjana das who is one of the eldest devotees in the movement.  Please regale us with the glories of your perfectly expanding sankirtana mission that is so pleasing to Srila Prabhupada. While you are at it, you forgot to direct us all to your website which substitutes as an alternative for Puranjana's site for warning newcomers of the truth of what they are headed into.  You know the one with MUCH IMPROVED grammar, vocabulary, depth of thought, etc. etc. Your criticism is way off base, unwarranted, and childish. Until there is a group of disciples who have a viable temple community that a newcomer could actually surrender their life and soul to, we can at least scream bloody murder and prevent a person from "joining" an Is-a-con temple and surrendering there.  We can be honest and direct them to stay in their position, and just add what worship they can at home and keep in touch with specific internet forums to become informed when such a loyal community forms.  Puranjana das has been doing exactly this longer than you can wrap your little mind around, with enough ugly truth in his alarm to scare people properly from making a big mistake. Until you can do the same in your "much improved" fashion, you should first apologize to Puranjana for your useless criticism, and then you should be careful to leave your stool in the toilet before coming on this forum and slinging it around because we will throw it right back on your head. Hare Krsna ys Mark

[Bhaktatraveler]

"The thing that gets me is you( all you Puranjana supporters) in general are a bunch of ANGRY, out of control,
opposite of swami type people, who seem to lack all sorts of introspection and perspective, and refuse to talk and act like the Hare Krishna devotees Srila Prabhupada wanted to represent his movement."

Can't have an amiable conversation with part time quazi hippy followers that neglect at least50% of my Guru's vani.(and thats considering the other 50% is accepted) Actually preaching against or rejectingly about DVD. Or irresponsibly, as most do with no discussion of social division, which is the actual meaning of DVD. A farm project does not define DVD.

And you still hold in esteem a fire fly as your idyllic full moon. Hamsaduta can sweep a street in my DVD village, that devotees walk on, or nothing. He is an original CHEATER and not worthy of any respect at this late stage in the game of life. Until you can get that far, you'll have no more spiritual potency than a beginning kanistha. 

Hamsaduta or any of the ISKCON gurus(sic) are headed to the darkest regions of Hell. They are guilty of murdering my Guru's vani. Sweep floors or rot is my 2 cents worth.

Hare Krsna

RCBhakti

[mark mclaughlin]

I could practically copy and paste my previous post and just change the address to "Laksmi Kary". The length and frequency of Laksmi's rants against Puranjana das is telling, as well as the hyperbole she herself employs. ie: "And many of those devotees are still around chanting Hare Krishna and following Srila Prabhupadas books and instructions."  Right and I have some prime swampland for sale cheap. ie: "Wake up, ISKCON has the same problems as everywhere else, and society too! " Untrue.  The physical institution has been entirely coopted, and Iskcon only lives on in the hearts and minds of those exiled who do not cooperate as a society as of yet. Here we have a person hell bent on criticising Puranjana das, claiming that he makes Srila Prabhupada look bad, etc. etc. But where has Laksmi Kary been warning the innocent souls who are apt to stumble on such a scam?  Where is her website?  Thats all any of the exiled devotees have up til now, and individual isolated existance and MAYBE a website or forum. She does not have anything else better or she would simply invite others to join and guide them properly.  Then she would be in a realistic position to offer advise on style to the stalwart guardians like Puranjana das. Instead we have what we read here from her.  Ranting hypocritical lunacy. Such is life. Hare Krsna

[Anuttama devi dasi]

Lakshmi Prabhu,

PAMHO. AGTSP.

Regarding the poison issue, unfortunately the evidence is quite
compelling that Srila Prabhupada was poisoned. You should try
reviewing the evidence with an open heart and mind. Srila Prabhupada
probably wasn't sick, but was rather gradually poisoned by asuras who
appeared to be devotees. Putana tricked the residents of Vrndavvana,
so why shouldn't a modern day asura be able to trick the devotees.
The evidence on this issue that I find the most compelling comes from
Srila Prabhupada himself, who suggests it on several tapes which you
can listen to. There are a lot of tapes missing from that time
period, remember, so this issue could very well have come up many more
times, and more obviously, but those tapes "disappeared." The fact
that Srila Prabhupada even brings up the subject, along with the
forensic evidence has convinced me. I only realized this recently and
it really sent me into a tailspin when the truth of it hit. Even now
as I write this, my heart is breaking.

Regarding people who are interested in Krsna consciousness reading the
dirty laundry/skeletons in the pseudo-ISKCON closet, I also think it
is essential that new people are warned away from that corrupt
institution. The sad thing is that we don't have anything to offer
someone who wants to learn the culture of Vaisnava life. That is a
direct result of the asura's destroying the spiritual movement and
replacing it with a materialistic organization that resembles ISKCON.
It is also sad that the Deities are no longer being cared for by the
spiritual movement, ISKCON. I've personally tried to get devotees in
New Dvarka to have a contingency plan to evacuate Their Lordships in
the event of an economic collapse and resulting anarchy, but with no
results. I do believe that the spiritual movement, ISKCON, if it were
still taking care of Their Lordships would have a self reliant
community where they could move Them if necessary for Their safety.

It is sad but true that so many terrible things have happened.
However such things really did occur and pretending to new people that
they didn't (or don't) is not truthful or even kind.

Wishing you the best,

Anuttama

[lakshmi kary]

Hare Krishna

Dear Anuttama,

Please accept my obeisances!.

I agree with you on most things. I think ISKCON is pathetic and does not function as Srila Prabhupada

intended or would approve of.

Ive said the same things over and over but PJ and co. just don't get it.

Ive NEVER said bad things haven't happened and are not happening in ISKCON. I have sympathy and sorrow

and feel angry about  the child abuse in ISKCON. But I also accept KC philosophy.

 

Hansadutta has posted a number of articles and his booklet on his website.

www.hansadutta.com , anyone who wants can go to it. Or, they can observe themselves wishing ill on someone who served SP with heart and soul, who tried and fell, and tries and tries to be a good servant of his spiritual master. Lord Caitanya was merciful, Srila Prabhupada was merciful and its too bad when the SP devotees cant find any mercy in their hearts for other devotees who have fallen.( just in a different way then maybe they have)

Anuttama , really,  I do not think Hansadutta is an asura or a this or that , nor do I think Jayapataka is.

I think they are impure individuals who wanted to serve, tried to serve , and fell in their attempt.

so they pick themselves up, they make more mistakes and try again.

Even someone like Bhavananda, so he has the worst maya , to molest children, so he should got o jail, and also be restricted to not be anywhere near children. Its maya, its maya , just different forms of maya for different persons.

Everything is taken into account by Krishna. If SP and Krishna only noticed our falls then NONE of us would make it out of the cycle of birth and death.

We dont have to worry, Krishna is in our hearts and in theirs, Krishna can take care of it. Krishna will reward or punish as deemed per his will.

Krishna is in control of everything, I believe Srila Prabhupada is a pure devotee and was capable of doing whatever he wanted now and even while he was at deaths door.

I do not see him as a mortal man unknowingly being poisoned, nor ,just being aware and letting his disciples poison him over many years.

 Srila Prabhupada had MANY secretaries, cooks etc over the years so you would be talking about a very wide spread conspiracy thorugh out many countries and situations. Just doesnt seem likely.

I do believe that one of his God brothers were capable to try and poison him, but to imply that a large group of heinous disciples  conspired to slowly poison their aging and already ill, ( he DID have heart problems and diabetes)spiritual master - I just don't buy it.

Id rather give the benefit of the doubt, it isn't up to me or you anyway. Krishna is in control.

If there is some new evidence, other than the guesses at what people THINK SP was saying then Id listen.

Srila Prabhupada said , if you get money print books. He said my books will live forever.

So rather than spend time and energy going over and over what so and so did even though he is dead, will really help the matter at hand.

Is there a solution to ISKCON, I don't think so, unless it can legally be confiscated away from the current people.

But then what,, no one gets along, no one. Where is there a community of devotees outside of ISKCON that have made it??? Do they have a strong preaching format, bring in new devotees, distribute prasad all over??

However I can think of many very nice devotees who are still TRYING to do devotional service and maintain some standard of KC within and without ISKCON.

I do keep contact with ISKCON devotees, and do donate, offer services and do what I can do serve the devotees and Deities.

But more importantly , I realize SP has left his body behind, that he was already an older man when he came to the USA, he gave his all. Day and night he preached and tolerated , and taught, and gave mercy...

So whether his physical body was poisoned or not, it can not stop the will of the Lord.

Either way, Krishna is in control and most of us are just ordinary souls who have to try our best to keep our head up and not drown in the ocean of material suffering .

It is hard not to succumb to maya.Maya can get anyone, we all know from reading the Srimad Bhagavatam..

 I don't believe that when a person falls down they should be condemned to hell( especially when its not our position or decision or post to make these statements about who is going to hell).

 

Its more effective to for all of us to chant ,make ourselves strong, and pray to Krishna and SP to straighten it out and give us the chance to extend KC to other people who are suffering and want/need to go home back to Godhead.If someone had a billion dollars  they could try and fight isckon in court, but just maintaining a website using alot of slang and half truths isn't the way to go about it.

But if that is all PJ can do , let him do it.

personally I want to make sure that whatever Im thinking about at the time of death isnt what someone else did or didn't do...

I want to make sure Ive got my mind firmly fixed at the feet of Krishna and SP, which I think is only possible if I spend as much time as possible reading and listening to SP>

thanks why I'm going to stop going around in discussion circles with someone who i believe is just as slimmy as some of the people who have been, or are in ISKCON and are deep in MAYA.

I think PADA is PJ's maya , its his big attachment. He couldn't renounce PADA if he tried, his whole identity is tied up in this delusion of grandeur of thinking himself as some sort of savior.!

 

Anuttama, I miss being in a spiritual community , miss so many things. I had very good and very bad experiences in the Temple situations.I dont regret for one moment whatever I went through.

Those days are long gone, will I ever be apart of a large kirtan with lots of blissful, and happy devotees, I doubt it.I met many great people , great devotees, very wonderful people, not perfect, but devotees.

 

Just you be strong in your KC, when Krishna sends someone your direction, infect them with your love and faith, and you can also warn them about the bad apples in the movement.(The same types who are out in society the same ones who are in the catholic church, or a next door neighbor.)

It takes time to cultivate a devotional creeper.

But Im convinced that showing a new devotee the lewd style on PADA wont help anyone cultivate faith in Srila Prabhupada and Krishna.What is worse, a child molester or a person who cant stop thinking about child molesters and homosexuals? Point of fixation is the same.Its like the police, all day they think about criminals, and catching them. So sure enough im sure they get the opportunity to do it again in the next lifetime.So if PJ and others, want to be in the orbit of that type of thing again and again, lifetime after lifetime, go for it. Why and how did he and his family get involved in all that to begin with???? And the cycle goes on.

Personally, Im tired of taking lifetime after lifetime.... Id rather live by myself than be agravated by what ISKCON is and isnt doing.

 

Anyway, IM not a direct SP disciple, you are. Just hold on, SP gave you a ticket back home to Godhead.

Living on the land, worshiping the spiritual master and taking care of cows is the mode of goodness.

Hansadutta inspired me in KC , for that Ill always be grateful. Whether he fell or not is besides the point, he threw me a life jacket, gave me the Holy name, planted a devotional creeper and Im sure that pleases SP.

Its up to me to take care of that, and try and be KC in difficult times.

Hope I can meet you sometime in person, I know Ill like you alot.

ys,

Lakshmi

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Anuttama devi dasi]

Lakshmi Prabhu,

First of all, you are as much as a disciple of Srila Prabhupada as I
am. I happened to be fortunate enough to be initiated when Srila
Prabhupada was still physically present, but the same exact amount of
mercy is available to you as to all of his disciples. Please never
think otherwise. I didn't get the mercy of personal association, but
Srila Prabhupada is just as much my spiritual master as he is
Jadurani's, Govinda dasi's or Hansadutta's.

Regarding whether I think Hansadutta is an asura: no. That would seem
to be impossible. He deeply regrets his contribution to the zonal
acarya system and is paying his penance. I actually think the asuras
are real live physical demons. Someone posted a quote not too long
ago regarding Putana and Srila Prabhupada said something to the effect
that there are many such asuras walking the planet in the present
day. Putana was a powerful demon who could actually change shape. I
take Srila Prabhupada literally and suspect that the poisoner(s) were
actual asuras infiltrating ISKCON with the intent to destroy it. Such
an asura, although appearing to be human, is actually a demon. Of
course he (they) had to recruit other devotees who nurtured material
desires to have power and position in order to do the zonal acarya
thing, but he'd (they'd) likely have a strong shakti to influence
others. I'd be curious to hear Hansadutta Prabhu's feedback on my
theory because he would have had association with the people who are
potentially actual asuras. But just like Putana appeared to be a
demigoddess, and was beautiful and non-threatening, we couldn't
necessarily detect the asura among us.

For Srila Prabhupada to have been poisoned would not necessarily have
been a wide-spread conspiracy. One or two people (or demons who
appear to be people) who were close to him could have easily done it,
according to devotees who were there at the time. A actual asura
would appear to be non-threatening and could accomplish it by
himself. The fact that some tapes survive where Srila Prabhupada
speaks of his distress at the possibility of being poisoned is very
telling. Any tapes where he came right out and confronted the
poisoner(s) would naturally have been destroyed.

I think that very soon devotees who are spread far and wide will come
together to do a simple living project. Probably out of necessity due
to economic collapse, but whatever it takes, it will be great.
Perhaps you'll join us with you cows when we have to "head for the
hills."

YS,

Anuttama

P.S. Just as you are inspired to care for cows, Pratyatosa Prabhu is
inspired to develop an on-line community and I'm inspired to learn to
live locally; Puranjana Prabhu is inspired to expose the nonsense
within pseudo-ISKCON. I think it is probably healthier for him to get
it out of his system than to keep it bottled up inside. Terrible
things really have gone on, and people should know. Hopefully we'll
all be able to soon live a lifestyle in a community of devotees where
such issues are moot. Until then, people will just keep doing what
they are inspired to do. Oh, and I don't like the title of this
thread.

[Pratyatosa]

On Dec 18, 11:35 pm, Anuttama devi dasi <anuttam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh, and I don't like the title of this thread.

Mother Lakshmi Prabhu, seems to be borrowing some of Puranjana
Prabhu's editorial style. "Imitation is the sincerest form of
flattery." :-)

I'm convinced that if it weren't for the way in which Puranjana
presented the relevant facts to the high powered lawyer, Windle
Turley, the child abuse lawsuit, which reduced the number of gurukuli
suicides almost to nil, would have never gotten off the ground.
Therefore, I will be forever grateful to him for that reason alone

Your servant, Pratyatosa Dasa

[mario pineda]

Hare Krishna. Respects. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

Yes, we owe a lot to the perception-introspection, courage and dedication of our God brother Puranjana dasa prabhu. I was fortunate to have had him rent a room from me in the mid 90s in Los Angeles where I got to know him on the daily basis.  I think he is a very unique special soul with many good qualities who has done a lot for many with no expectations and continues to do so today.

One thing that is a need of the times, is that we need to realize that Srila Prabhupada with the DOM, the July 9th transcendental legal document and his last will and testament, leaves no room for any other gurus than himself for the life of ISKCON. These documents are being honored by the courts of law for Srila Prabhupada and his rtivik Prabhupadanugas in India and also in USA. So other "regular" gurus have no choice but to from their own societies outside ISKCON. That is the only legal choice they have. So no need to discuss this any more, specially now that there are legal cases going on in Bangalore, Long Island and Los Angeles, so ritvik devotees take full control of ISKCON, the BBT and the Back to Godhead magazine.

The corrupt GBC has acted like the Kurus, who did not allow even the land at the tip of a pin for the Pandavas. In the same way, the most arrogant GBC has not allowed even one small temple for ritvik Prabhupadanugas to live in as is the small Long Island house preaching center. So now it's time to fight back. I hope to soon share with you the public record of the counter case against the GBC from the Long Island temple, or ISKCON Inc.

I hope that devotees will take the opportunity to assist in the financing of this legal case. Any donations are to be made out to., ISKCON Inc., I will soon be setting up a post office box for security reasons to receive the donations, to then be forwarded to ISKCON Inc. in Long Island.

Sincerely,

Mahatma dasa

P.S. It should be clear, that I am not a main sponsor of these legal cases. There are much more advanced and resourceful devotees in that position already. I am just trying to assist them by making a monthly donation and encouraging others to also make financial contributions, so we may give back ISKCON and he BBT to Srila Prabhupada.

[beth...@outlook.com]

Hari Krsna Prabhu - I am 16yrs old. I pray that Puranjana never ever gives up the fight! I wish I had his level of knowledge and understanding and be able to debate rascals to help spread the truth to the brand new, or the inspiring or the plain old rank and file devotees like my parents. I pray that Krsna continues showering his mercy upon hPuranjana and that he is sent an army of like-minded individuals who can assist him so that we do not have to wait for centuries for the "penny to drop" so to speak. (quoted: Dr. Juhad warned him that after a religion is hi-jacked by false messiahs that this process can easily take a hundred years to be resolved before people finally accept the idea that we have to worship the pure devotee and not these false messiahs). I pray that he never becomes disillusioned, depressed or thinks that he is alone. I pray that he will be able to maintain and keep adding to his websites and blogs. His posts have personally brought me closer to Srila Prabhupada and they continue to help me from becoming cheated while within Iskcon. I have learnt so much from his writings and everything he has written so far is based on evidence and fact and not speculation or emotional ravings. I personally have never met, written to, commented on any of his blogs or postings before either, nor met any of the devotees that Puranjana prabhu associates with. However I was not impressed with your personal attack on this devotee Lakshmi and felt a strong need to reply to your post. Krsna arranged for this nice man to see this Puranjanas website so that he will not be cheated, so he can made informed decisions and ask the necessary questions if he is wanting to join Iskcon. Please try to understand that Puranjana and his supporters are not trying to destroy Srila Prabhupada but are instead trying to preserve the truth. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!