Female Prabhupadanugas Being Raped by ISKCON "Guru" Thugs
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Pratyatosa
Jul 12, 2013, 7:24:00 AM7/12/13
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From: <name withheld> devi dasi
Date: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 4:39 PM
Subject: Mental Breakdown
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Hare Krsna Your Grace Pratyatosa Prabhu,
please accept my humble obeisances.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
All Glories to All Prabhupadanugas.
Dear Prabhu, let me first introduce myself, I'm the sister of <name withheld>.
Someone hacked her PC. She used her name <name withheld>, not knowing, that everyone knows that name.
She was married to the commander of task forces, and he gave her the name <name withheld>. Do you remember <name withheld>? You asked her, "Mother <name withheld> where are you now?" And she started crying, thinking that a Vaisnava with so much compassion asked her that.
I will tell her story, and it's the truth. When she came to ISKCON, she was a very rich woman, and she never hesitated to make a large donation every time she was asked. Working as a government officer and a quality manager, she was also studying law, but she stopped her study because she wanted to read Srila Prabhupada's books.
Then she became very sick, and she had to stop working. Her husband left her, but she had vowed that she will never give up Lord Krsna and Srila Prabhupada for anyone.
Then her problems began to start: One devotee came to her house, and she was so naive, she let him in thinking that she could do some service for him. Then this devotee, before Srila Prabhupada (She has a very big picture of Srila Prabhupada in her living room) opened her blouse and said to her: "I want to see this," and took her to her bedroom and wanted to rape her. She screamed and told him to go out of Srila Prabhupada's House. She was trained by the commander of all the military forces here in the Netherlands and she was the one who gave permission and a stamp to all the military police if they want to go to another country. She pushed him away and out of her house, telling him, "First of all, I'm going to tell the nama hatta leader what you have done."
She told the Nama Hatta leader, but he began to laugh! He said that it was not his problem, that she was lying, and they all make a fun of her! She became very angry and went to Srila Prabhupada, and cried like a little baby, and begged him to help her. They told everyone in ISKCON that she is a very dangerous woman, and they started calling her "Durga Devi." She also told her sons, but they didn't believe her.
Then she kept silent and pretended that it never happened.
In 2006 there was Ratha Yatra in Rotterdam. She made, with the permission of Srila Prabhupada, two large Tulasimala's for Their Lordships, Jagannatha and Baladeva, and she was very happy, that she could put the mala's on Their beautiful necks.
While she was distributing the prasada, a devotee came there and called her a prostitute before more than 600 people, but she was doing her service, and no one came to help her. So many women devotees were crying and praying to Lord Jagannatha, "Oh dear Lord, look what he is doing to her!" But no one stopped him. (When she was looking at the Ratha on the website of Srila Prabhupada's News, everything she had blocked came out.)
From that point on, they kicked her out of the hari nama party every time that there was a festival, even sometimes hurting her, but when the time came for asking donations, they would send her an e-mail!
Our whole family is due to Srila Prabhpada's mercy, vaisnavas and vaisnavis, everyone loves Srila Prabhupada, but when all the troubles started, they left ISKCON. But they never left Srila Prabhupada, doing their service at home.
After a while she was sexually abused, and that made her, from a very strong and beautiful woman to a mentally ill woman. She looked like there is no life in her eyes anymore.
Then she tried to commit suicide, while listening to Srila Prabhupada chanting japa so at least she could hear Srila Prabhupada's beautiful transcendental voice. But before she left her body, her son found her and he called 112 (like 911), and the Police broke her door open to get her out. The trauma team, full of compassion, were asking her, why did you do this? She went to the intensive care, and they gave up on her. But Srila Prabhupada's mercy over-flooded her, because she was always defending him, and she became like a tigress when a devotee would criticize him. After a week, the doctors saw that she was not going to die. They said that they had never seen such a case in their whole career. "How can a person survive who had taken so much medication, enough to kill even an elephant! They called it a miracle.
There is so much to write about what they did to her, because when I'm writing to you Prabhu, tears are falling from my eyes.
And the most ironic thing is, that devotee and another one is sitting on the Vyasana giving lectures!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
She is safe and sound on medication, and no one can bother her, and no one has this e-mail address. I will tell you more about <name withheld>, what he wrote to her and about her spiritual master.
Thank you very much for calling her with so much compassion Mother <name withheld>. I hope you will let the truth come out, because not for <name withheld> only, but for all the devotees, who are hurt, abused and living life in a secluded place.
Your servant,
<name withheld> devi dasi
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From: <name withheld>
Date: Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: Mental Breakdown
To: Pratyatosa <praty...@gmail.com>
Hare Krsna Pratyatosa Prabhu,
please accept my humble obeisances.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
All Glories to All of You.
My Dear Prabhu, thank you very much for your reply, It is okay to forward my heart-felt message to the Prabhupadanuga Group. Will you please do it anonymously? The reason is, that everyone in the Netherlands (ISKCON) knows her, and I don't want that someone will hurt her again.
This email address is only known to you Prabhu, and I don't want someone else to get it. Because some of the devotees, who are convinced, that Srila Prabhupada is the ultimate authority of ISKCON (and are Prabhupapadanugas), are still selling the books that are edited, and have the same name that their spiritual master gave them. And when their spiritual master comes to the Netherlands, they go and receive him. It is very contradictory for us.
She is not going out, but she is still chanting her 16 rounds, and my older sister <name withheld> devi dasi told her, "Your only shelter is Srila Prabhupada."
She never got your 2nd email Prabhu, and I will tell her what you have written.
My dear Prabhu, I'm living in The Hague, in the Netherlands, and it is near the King's Palace, my house is completely secured by the Police, if someone comes here the Police are here in 2 minutes and that person will be removed immediately.
I also hope my dear Prabhu, that by Lord Krsna's grace, she will makes a full recovery, because she is very afraid, that Lord Krsna will punish her, and I'm glad that the trauma team believes in a personal God and they talk to her, that God is full of mercy and He loves her also. I also told her, "Srila Prabhupada loves you, and what you have done is not vaisnava-aparadha." But because she is mentally ill, she believes that she has done vaisnava-aparadha, but I hope it will go away when time comes.
She is also cursed by a Mataji who told her she will suffer for 12 years. She took, from that same mataji, her exams for brahmana intitiation and for many others who are now brahmanas!!!!!! BCS knows about her [curse], but still, they got their initiation.
If I have time, I will tell you about another rape case. I had forgotten about it, but last night when I went to sleep, I remembered it. She is a disciple of BCS. She told me her story about what had happened in Vrndavana. When she tlod him her story, <name withheld> wrote to her, "My dear devotee, don't become so puffed up, and chant your rounds in a humble mood!!!!!!!" She is no longer his devotee, but is a devotee of Srila Prabhupada!!!!!!!
The mataji's trust me Prabhu, so if there is something going wrong in ISKCON they call me, or leave a message in my voicemail.
But my first concern is now <name withheld>, and thank you again my dear Prabhu. You are doing a great job to expose all the so-called gurus.
Your servant, <name withheld> devi dasi
From: <name withheld> devi dasi
Date: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 4:39 PM
Subject: Mental Breakdown
To: praty...@gmail.com
Hare Krsna Your Grace Pratyatosa Prabhu,
please accept my humble obeisances.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
All Glories to All Prabhupadanugas.
Dear Prabhu, let me first introduce myself, I'm the sister of <name withheld>.
Someone hacked her PC. She used her name <name withheld>, not knowing, that everyone knows that name.
She was married to the commander of task forces, and he gave her the name <name withheld>. Do you remember <name withheld>? You asked her, "Mother <name withheld> where are you now?" And she started crying, thinking that a Vaisnava with so much compassion asked her that.
I will tell her story, and it's the truth. When she came to ISKCON, she was a very rich woman, and she never hesitated to make a large donation every time she was asked. Working as a government officer and a quality manager, she was also studying law, but she stopped her study because she wanted to read Srila Prabhupada's books.
Then she became very sick, and she had to stop working. Her husband left her, but she had vowed that she will never give up Lord Krsna and Srila Prabhupada for anyone.
Then her problems began to start: One devotee came to her house, and she was so naive, she let him in thinking that she could do some service for him. Then this devotee, before Srila Prabhupada (She has a very big picture of Srila Prabhupada in her living room) opened her blouse and said to her: "I want to see this," and took her to her bedroom and wanted to rape her. She screamed and told him to go out of Srila Prabhupada's House. She was trained by the commander of all the military forces here in the Netherlands and she was the one who gave permission and a stamp to all the military police if they want to go to another country. She pushed him away and out of her house, telling him, "First of all, I'm going to tell the nama hatta leader what you have done."
She told the Nama Hatta leader, but he began to laugh! He said that it was not his problem, that she was lying, and they all make a fun of her! She became very angry and went to Srila Prabhupada, and cried like a little baby, and begged him to help her. They told everyone in ISKCON that she is a very dangerous woman, and they started calling her "Durga Devi." She also told her sons, but they didn't believe her.
Then she kept silent and pretended that it never happened.
In 2006 there was Ratha Yatra in Rotterdam. She made, with the permission of Srila Prabhupada, two large Tulasimala's for Their Lordships, Jagannatha and Baladeva, and she was very happy, that she could put the mala's on Their beautiful necks.
While she was distributing the prasada, a devotee came there and called her a prostitute before more than 600 people, but she was doing her service, and no one came to help her. So many women devotees were crying and praying to Lord Jagannatha, "Oh dear Lord, look what he is doing to her!" But no one stopped him. (When she was looking at the Ratha on the website of Srila Prabhupada's News, everything she had blocked came out.)
From that point on, they kicked her out of the hari nama party every time that there was a festival, even sometimes hurting her, but when the time came for asking donations, they would send her an e-mail!
Our whole family is due to Srila Prabhpada's mercy, vaisnavas and vaisnavis, everyone loves Srila Prabhupada, but when all the troubles started, they left ISKCON. But they never left Srila Prabhupada, doing their service at home.
After a while she was sexually abused, and that made her, from a very strong and beautiful woman to a mentally ill woman. She looked like there is no life in her eyes anymore.
Then she tried to commit suicide, while listening to Srila Prabhupada chanting japa so at least she could hear Srila Prabhupada's beautiful transcendental voice. But before she left her body, her son found her and he called 112 (like 911), and the Police broke her door open to get her out. The trauma team, full of compassion, were asking her, why did you do this? She went to the intensive care, and they gave up on her. But Srila Prabhupada's mercy over-flooded her, because she was always defending him, and she became like a tigress when a devotee would criticize him. After a week, the doctors saw that she was not going to die. They said that they had never seen such a case in their whole career. "How can a person survive who had taken so much medication, enough to kill even an elephant! They called it a miracle.
There is so much to write about what they did to her, because when I'm writing to you Prabhu, tears are falling from my eyes.
And the most ironic thing is, that devotee and another one is sitting on the Vyasana giving lectures!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
She is safe and sound on medication, and no one can bother her, and no one has this e-mail address. I will tell you more about <name withheld>, what he wrote to her and about her spiritual master.
Thank you very much for calling her with so much compassion Mother <name withheld>. I hope you will let the truth come out, because not for <name withheld> only, but for all the devotees, who are hurt, abused and living life in a secluded place.
Your servant,
<name withheld> devi dasi
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From: <name withheld>
Date: Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: Mental Breakdown
To: Pratyatosa <praty...@gmail.com>
Hare Krsna Pratyatosa Prabhu,
please accept my humble obeisances.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
All Glories to All of You.
My Dear Prabhu, thank you very much for your reply, It is okay to forward my heart-felt message to the Prabhupadanuga Group. Will you please do it anonymously? The reason is, that everyone in the Netherlands (ISKCON) knows her, and I don't want that someone will hurt her again.
This email address is only known to you Prabhu, and I don't want someone else to get it. Because some of the devotees, who are convinced, that Srila Prabhupada is the ultimate authority of ISKCON (and are Prabhupapadanugas), are still selling the books that are edited, and have the same name that their spiritual master gave them. And when their spiritual master comes to the Netherlands, they go and receive him. It is very contradictory for us.
She is not going out, but she is still chanting her 16 rounds, and my older sister <name withheld> devi dasi told her, "Your only shelter is Srila Prabhupada."
She never got your 2nd email Prabhu, and I will tell her what you have written.
My dear Prabhu, I'm living in The Hague, in the Netherlands, and it is near the King's Palace, my house is completely secured by the Police, if someone comes here the Police are here in 2 minutes and that person will be removed immediately.
I also hope my dear Prabhu, that by Lord Krsna's grace, she will makes a full recovery, because she is very afraid, that Lord Krsna will punish her, and I'm glad that the trauma team believes in a personal God and they talk to her, that God is full of mercy and He loves her also. I also told her, "Srila Prabhupada loves you, and what you have done is not vaisnava-aparadha." But because she is mentally ill, she believes that she has done vaisnava-aparadha, but I hope it will go away when time comes.
She is also cursed by a Mataji who told her she will suffer for 12 years. She took, from that same mataji, her exams for brahmana intitiation and for many others who are now brahmanas!!!!!! BCS knows about her [curse], but still, they got their initiation.
If I have time, I will tell you about another rape case. I had forgotten about it, but last night when I went to sleep, I remembered it. She is a disciple of BCS. She told me her story about what had happened in Vrndavana. When she tlod him her story, <name withheld> wrote to her, "My dear devotee, don't become so puffed up, and chant your rounds in a humble mood!!!!!!!" She is no longer his devotee, but is a devotee of Srila Prabhupada!!!!!!!
The mataji's trust me Prabhu, so if there is something going wrong in ISKCON they call me, or leave a message in my voicemail.
But my first concern is now <name withheld>, and thank you again my dear Prabhu. You are doing a great job to expose all the so-called gurus.
Your servant, <name withheld> devi dasi
----- Original Message -----From: PratyatosaTo: <name withheld> devi dasiSent: Friday, July 12, 2013 12:12 AMSubject: Re: Mental BreakdownDear Mother <name withheld> Prabhu, Hare Krishna! Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
Thank you very much for confiding in me. I'm very sorry to hear the tragic story of Mother <name withheld> Prabhu. I hope that, by Lord Sri Krishna's grace, she makes a full recovery.
Is it okay to forward your heart-felt message to the <http://groups.google.com/group/istagosthi> Prabhupadanuga Group (forum)? I could do it anonymously if you'd prefer, or you could do it yourself by sending it to <istag...@googlegroups.com>.
Like I said to Mother <name withheld> in a 2nd email that she apparently never got:
The root of the problem is as follows: Srila Prabhupada never authorized any other gurus within his beloved ISKCON. How can those offenders who have unauthorizedly usurped his position have any good qualities?
Your servant, Pratyatosa Dasa
Pratyatosa
Jul 12, 2013, 3:18:14 PM7/12/13
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From: <name withheld> devi dasi
Date: Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: Female Prabhupadanugas Being Raped by ISKCON "Guru" Thugs
To: Pratyatosa <praty...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: Female Prabhupadanugas Being Raped by ISKCON "Guru" Thugs
To: Pratyatosa <praty...@gmail.com>
Hare Krsna Pratyatosa Prabhu,
Please accept my humble obeisances.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
My Dear Prabhu, thank You very much for sending my
heartfelt message to the forum.
And this my answer to Malatidevi, what is your
problem, why do you want her name for?
Do you think she is lying?
You know mataji leave her alone, woman are the
worst enemy of women. Go on with your sadhana. She is doing her best, and what
will you do with the agressors name? Nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What did you do, with all the women who were
sexually abused in ISKCON, dumping them as street dogs!!!!!!!!!!
They are also part and parcel of The Supreme
Personality of Godhead Lord Krsna. Go and read the unedited Bhagavad-gita As It Is!!!!!!
My dear Pratyatosa Prabhu, I'm so angry now, I'll
mail you later, and thank you again.
Your servant,
<name withheld> devi dasi
----- Original Message -----From: Pratyatosa
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 7:11 PMSubject: Fwd: Female Prabhupadanugas Being Raped by ISKCON "Guru" Thugs---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Melanie L Nagel/ Malati <malat...@aol.com>
Date: Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: Female Prabhupadanugas Being Raped by ISKCON "Guru" Thugs
To: Pratyatosa <praty...@gmail.com>
Prabhu. Fine that you don't mention alleged victims by name, but if there is to be credibility in this report, what is the reason for not naming the alleged aggressor(s)? Yrs, Malati dd
(Sent from my iPhone)
B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP)
Jul 12, 2013, 4:49:59 PM7/12/13
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Come on Malati prabhu,
Do you really think that people are THAT!!! STUPID!!! that they're going to fall for your words here.
Put aside any specific incident, but taking things in general:
In present-day ITS A CON the aggressors are the GBC, all of you protecting one another, and protecting the other
aggressors.
How many devotees have named the names of their aggressors, and... (have reaped the NASTY results of their honestly revealing the names of their aggressors and incidents of aggression)
Why are KNOWN aggressors in prominent "positions" in ISKCON, while serious (non-agressor) devotees have been pushed OUT of Srila Prabhupada's society; devotees that Srila Prabhupada would STILL WANT to be serving IN ISKCON>
Ask yourself Malati, if you think Srila Prabhupada - Who gave you shelter, Who created ISKCON to be a
spiritual society, whose purpose it is (or was) for spreading the pure message and process of Krsna consciousness - would be approving of what you and the GBC are doing with HIS society in causing such detriment in the lives of SO MANY devotees who are and were so dedicated to serving His Divine Grace.
If your conscience can't be pricked into getting the right answer, then one can only feel further compassion for you in regards to the ignorance covering you.
May we be safely situated under the shelter of Srila Prabhupada's Lotus Feet, Those of our Guru Varga, the Vaisnavas, and Sri Sri Radha and Krsna.
With love,
Your servant,
B. Radha-Govinda
Hare Krsna
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Jul 12, 2013, 10:05:31 PM7/12/13
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Hello Hare Krishna: Please re read my message which was brief as I was traveling and was using my cell phone. I did not ask for the alleged victims name. I acknowledged that was fine ( in other words understandable ) that it was not mentioned. I was asking for the name of the alleged male aggressor. It was said that the aggressor is still active in ISKCON. It also seems that an investigation, hence no justice, did not occur? This greatly concerns me but without the name of the accused, how can anything be done? That is my point in terms of giving the report credibility. It doesn't matter how long ago it was, results can still occur. It's never to late for justice, but it's not possible without a name . Do you understand what I mean now? Malati dd
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From: <name withheld> devi dasi
Date: Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: Female Prabhupadanugas Being Raped by ISKCON "Guru" Thugs
To: Pratyatosa <praty...@gmail.com>
Hare Krsna Pratyatosa Prab
Please accept my humble obeisances.All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.My Dear Prabhu, thank You very much for sending my heartfelt message to the forum.And this my answer to Malatidevi, what is your problem, why do you want her name for?Do you think she is lying?
You know mataji leave her alone, woman are the worst enemy of women. Go on with ysadhana. She is doing her best, and what will you do with the agressors name? Nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What did you do, with all the women who were sexually abused in ISKCON, dumping them as street dogs!!!!!!!!!!They are also part and parcel of The Supreme Personality of Godhead Lord Krsna. Go and read the unedited Bhagavad-gita As It Is!!!!!!My dear Pratyatosa Prabhu, I'm so angry now, I'll mail you later, and thank you again.Your servant,<name withheld> devi dasi----- Original Message -----From: PratyatosaSent: Friday, July 12, 2013 7:11 PMSubject: Fwd: Female Prabhupadanugas Being Raped by ISKCON "Guru" Thugs---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Melanie L Nagel/ Malati <malat...@aol.com>
Date: Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: Female Prabhupadanugas Being Raped by ISKCON "Guru" Thugs
To: Pratyatosa <praty...@gmail.com>
Prabhu. Fine that you don't mention alleged victims by name, but if there is to be credibility in this report, what is the reason for not naming the alleged aggressor(s)? Yrs, Malati dd
(Sent from my iPhone)
B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP)
Jul 12, 2013, 10:31:56 PM7/12/13
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Hare Krsna Malati Prabhu,
All glories to Srila Prabhupada. PAMFO
My understanding in reading that devotee's first submission as well as her reply to you, was that her first language is not English, and thus, she misunderstood your reply, but the valid point this devotee writes remains:
and what will you do with the agressors name? Nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!What did you do, with all the women who were sexually abused in ISKCON, dumping them as street dogs!!!!!!!!!!They are also part and parcel of The Supreme Personality of Godhead Lord Krsna.
WHEN has the GBC done anything to properly address the aggression against seriously aspiring devotees? and in fact, it is THE GBC, who still are and have been the aggressors against the devotees. What do you think Srila Prabhupada would be saying to the GBC if Srila Prabhupada was to "come here" to see HIS ISKCON in the state it's in (and why it is in this state), which includes so many of the SERIOUS devotees PUSHED OUT by the GBC (aggressors).
Your servant (who has hopes that her Godsister, Malati, will WAKE!!! UP),
B. Radha-Govinda
Hare Krsna
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B. Radha-Govinda Swami (ACBSP)
Jul 12, 2013, 10:49:38 PM7/12/13
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And by the way, if (according to your words), "It's never to late for justice" when are you and the other GBC people going to bring your Godsiblings back to Srila Prabhupada's house that the GBC took over?
Do you really think (your Father), Srila Prabhupada approves of His books being changed?
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