Message from Hansadutta Prabhu

[rmd]

Dear Ram Mohan Prabhu, obeisances, all glories to Srila Prabhupada.
[...]
I dont do face Book, or "Prabhupadanugas"..... keep aloof from the present day confusion.
I think the whole German Yatra have become "GIRLIE MEN"  under some PUSSY GBC leader. It is incomprehensible to me, how could that have happen ?? There is not one MALE (Man with Balls) figure to take up leadership on behalf of Srila PRABHUPADA, the greatest man in the
last 500 years????  A PUSSY GBC is all that Germany can produce, and
no one sees the fault in that?? I dont get it... please enlighten me!


Tell me .... what happened?

Hansadutta das,

Your servant

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Dear Hansadutta Prabhu, obeisances, all glories to Srila Prabhupada.

You are right there is a decline of powerful devotees who actually accomplish transcendental projects, those who set up milestone after milestone towards beautiful temples, farms, restaurants and flourishing Vaishnava communities.
 
German devotees feel shipwrecked. There are so many nice farms there and they ended up living in social housing and the temple sign says, attend divine service on Sunday, 4pm - 7pm (donation welcomed).

Prithu prabhu lives at Kamaudhaki's apartment  (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christiane_R%C3%BCcker) in the Bavarian forest, Lord Nrsimhadeva temple. This Lord Nrsimhadeva temple at the world's end opens for festivals thrice a year.

Chakravarti prabhu recently "formed a relationship with a younger, married devotee woman in the congregation". (http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/11-13/editorials10932.htm)

So this is a good idea if you come to Germany there to set an example, to point the way, pull them out of the mud.... To wake people up and tell them that they have been fooled, misled and ripped off.

Especially also all those ca 100 former ISKCON devotees who joined GM and presently feel similarly stuck but won't move.


Again thanks for writing,

your servant

Rammohan das

[Mario Pineda]

Hare Krisha dear God brothers. Respects. All glories to Srila Prabhupada! Very happy Gaura Purnima!

I am the first person that took ritvik ceremony initiation on May 22nd 1986 (the day Sulocan dasa was murdered) after Srila Prabhupada passed away.

The time is ripe for preaching preaching to all kinds of devotees about surrendering to Srila Prabhupada! The temples are empty, many devotees totally frustrated. All kinds of devotees and regular people know the current "gurus" and GBC are  crooks. Some are paralyzed and don't know what to do. Some are dead! But with pure Prabhupada consciousness, we can convince and even bring the dead back to life! NO doubt. We just have to preach.

The more true followers of Srila PRabhupada  follow the July 9th 1977 directive on Initiations, the Direction of Management and the Declaration of will of Srila Prabhupada. It is that simple.

I had a 45 minutes conversation with a Srila Prabhupada disciple who was initiated in 1973. The first thing he told me was that he felt Srila Prabhupada could no longer initiate. However, after our conversation, he went and convinced one other devotee and that devotee donated to Srila Prabhupada a whole brand new temple and we are in the process now of building a base from where we plan to go all over a couple of continents to convince others. News of this has made other devotees offer 3 properties in two other countries. All we have to do is preach and to the degree of our sincerity, we will have results, no doubt.

Jai Srila Prabhupada!

Mahatma dasa

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[Hansadutta Das]

Dear Mari Pineda - MAHATMA Das Obeisances, all glories to Srila
Prabhupada, One last comment, or abservation.

In RUSSIA They had a huge , international sensation over the ( " PUSSY
RIOT " ) Rock Group, VladImir Putin had them arrested and
subsequently Jailed. He is a KARMIE WITHOUT VEDIC KNOWLEDGE and we (
GBC , GURUS ISKCON / WITH PRABHUPADA'S GIFT OF VEDIC KNOWLEDGE ) -
have endorsed - A PUSSY RIOT GBC and GURU - for leadership over
the simple , innocent Brahmacaries, who sacrificee everything to
distribute Srila Prabhupada's books, against all odds, on the hellish
cities of this planet , every day. IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG WITH THIS
PICTURE > I think so, don't you ? don't your readers?, do not the
rank and file ISKCON loyalists, die hard
"TRUE BELIEVERS " think something here is not right ???????

Hansadutta das

On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 6:58 AM, Mario Pineda <serva...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hare Krisha dear God brothers. Respects. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
> Very happy Gaura Purnima!
>
> I am the first person that took ritvik ceremony initiation on May 22nd 1986
> (the day Sulocan dasa was murdered) after Srila Prabhupada passed away.
>
> The time is ripe for preaching preaching to all kinds of devotees about
> surrendering to Srila Prabhupada! The temples are empty, many devotees
> totally frustrated. All kinds of devotees and regular people know the
> current "gurus" and GBC are crooks. Some are paralyzed and don't know what
> to do. Some are dead! But with pure Prabhupada consciousness, we can
> convince and even bring the dead back to life! NO doubt. We just have to
> preach.
>

> The more true followers of Srila PRabhupada follow the July 9th 1077

> directive on Initiations, the Direction of Management and the Declaration of
> will of Srila Prabhupada. It is that simple.
>
> I had a 45 minutes conversation with a Srila Prabhupada disciple who was
> initiated in 1973. The first thing he told me was that he felt Srila
> Prabhupada could no longer initiate. However, after our conversation, he
> went and convinced one other devotee and that devotee donated to Srila
> Prabhupada a whole brand new temple and we are in the process now of
> building a base from where we plan to go all over a couple of continents to
> convince others. News of this has made other devotees offer 3 properties in
> two other countries. All we have to do is preach and to the degree of our
> sincerity, we will have results, no doubt.
>
> Jai Srila Prabhupada!
>
> Mahatma dasa
>
>

[rmd]

@A PUSSY RIOT GBC and GURU -  for  leadership over
the simple , innocent Brahmacaries...

Admitted, during ice-cold winter season we had quite some Sankirtan devotees who took a flight right out of the Sankirtan van at 20 below zero to seek asylum at Tropical Paradise in Sunny Florida.

ISKCON Alachua with madam Mukhya devi dasi (http://alachuatemple.com/mantrini/newsletter.htm) as instructor  used to welcome these chilled through devotees under her wing. ISKCON Alachua became an eldorado for deserted book distributors who used to sent us "It's alright now" palm beach picture postcards.

So lots of learning required how to put Prabhupada's vision of creating healthy long-term spiritual communities into practice. Those who actually impress real bhakti into the hearts of conditioned souls.

"TRUE BELIEVERS " think something here is not right  ???????

Right, there seems a Gordian knot puzzle to solve. Western governments adopted a quite tricky course of action - took a tough stance. Former Cadillac Nation USA being turned into a nation of Tent Cities. Germany similar situation, 1% owns 99% of wealth. So Hansadutta prabhu is right, there should be smart Prabhus who actually perform an example of fine preaching work there, agreed. 

ys
rmd

[Mario Pineda]

Hare Krishna Hansadutta dasa prabhu. Respects. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

Of course things are not right. Veda vata ratas (rascal self made "gods") passing as true diksa gurus!! It can not get worse than that! Yes yesterday, I heard of an 18 years old who will get "Initiated" by one of the ratas and nobody says a thing to not risk affecting their material situation although they know the boy will simply get exploited to the max!

But the ratas are paying. They are fearful of each other, to the point of needing psychiatric help! We just got an offer to run a brand new temple for Srila Prabhupada, we have 21 major temples in India and others in Singapore, Malasya, etc. We just bought 80 acres near San Francisco for 5 million and will build there a 10 millions temple! We have 9 GBCs elected as Srila Prabhupada wanted. We are building a 700 feet tall temple in Mathura.

We are having a huge Prabhupada men and women reunion in Alachua in 2025. Buisness men are offering all the land and rice we need to feed thousands of kids in South Anerica. The list goes on. True Srila Prabhupada disciples are SO fired up, it's incredibly inspiring!! Many are doing very well financially! We have a Srila Prabhupada heaven in Fiji, etc, etc!

So there are also many things that are right. Many most significant service with only Srila Prabhupada in the center!

I really want to visit you Hansadutta dasa prabhu and record your realizations, but so busy now, it is crazy! Please, sit in front of a camera and record all you have to say please!!! You owe it to Srila Prabhupada and to all of us!! :) We need you for future generations!

All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

Mahatma dasa

[rmd]

Dear Hansadutta Prabhu

Obeisances, all glories to Srila

Prabhupada,  one last comment, or observation.

Please enlighten us, since more than 15 years articles are being written to "bring ISKCON back on track".
See pic above, at this Mayapur festival another "Guruji" was voted in to the ancestral portrait gallery of elected ISKCON gurus, Vedavyasa das.
How can this happen? You made tons of statements that Prabhupada did not appoint any diksha-gurus but instead instructed to have a powerful global management structure in order to establish global farm projects, temples and efficient varnasram projects. In sum ISKCONites still consider this is wrong, there have to be living gurus, voting by show of hands, a two-thirds vote of members present. How could this happen? Are you sure that all means of evidence were presented? How then can it happen that ISKCON GBC still insist that this is false information, wrong account? Thanks for clarification!

ys

Rammohan das

PS Hridayananda Swami's prominent disciple Sri Rupa Manjari dd (Maria Stella Splendore) still has her adult videos  hosted at porn websites. Is this the actual reason why they put HDG in quarantine? Thanks for any clarification!

On Sunday, March 16, 2014 6:40:53 PM UTC+1, Hansadutta Das wrote:

[Hansadutta Das]

Dear Rammohan, please accept my most humble obeisances, all glories to Srila Prabhupada How do I communicate with you by e mail privately. Urdhvaga Prabhu got very upset  with me because I poster my reply on the PABHUPADANUGAS site. I am not aware of all these finer considerations, I did not think it a breach or a fault. I hope he can understand that. So how to write to you privately ??

Hansadutta das

Below is a copy  exchange with Das and Bhima In Malaysia

Hansadutta Das hansad...@gmail.com	5:41 AM (31 minutes ago)
to Diane

Dear Das and Bhima, obeisances, all glories to Srila Prabhupada.  I
waited to reply because I wanted some feedback from my earlier letter
of 16th March / 14 only you and Gadahara  Prabhu responded.

 Regarding my exchange with Urdhvaga, I wanted to see what his
response would be to the suggestion of " The BHAKTIVEDANTAS " I
suspected it would be what it was.
I havent heard from him since.... so he got his Brahmin underwear all in a knot.
 What to do ?  Do I now have to chase after him like a henpecked
husband after and angry and  neglected wife ??

I know , You and Bhima have asked repeatedly about initiating there,
especially AH and  his wife., I have been both a little reluctant, and
not really physically strong enough for jumping ahead.I promise I will
come to malaysia and do all the initiations as you suggest to me.  I
would like it if Bhima and Yourself would deal with Urdhvaga and
potentially other interested Parties requesting initiation. I have
always functioned  with the help of an secretary.  Being by myself, I
find it very hard to do anything directly without that kind of
assistance.

Also the " PRABHUPADANUGA " circle does not attract me, I am fearful
af being drawn into another Spiritual boondoggle, of  squabbling and
politicking over  needless  issues.

 I do think the Name
BHAKTIVEDANTAS is important, but I also think devotees can be Rittvik
initiated and not have to wave a flag of identification. People in
Kali Yuga want to Join some group, so if we have to have some
identifying name, it should be the name Srila Prabhupada suggested,
not something suggested by neophyte devotees.

Anyway, I was already suggesting to Gadadhara that we get a group of 4
-5 devotees to come along on a world, or European tour to satisfy
those looking for Rittvik Initiation, and make it a real preaching
event. Of course that is now in doubt  and may not happen if Urdhvaga
is unconsolable . Actually, I did not think about forwarding or
posting his letter as  he thinks, but I am just not in step with all
these  thing, therefore a secretary is needed. What do you think ,
should I write him, or just let it go ? or you write ? I dont know what to do at this point. 

How about we Skype in the next day or so ? Let me know soon, I may go
with Govinda to Cloverdale on fryday.I have managed to set up an
antenna, so I can connect to wi-fi internet from my  cabin there, it's
a little scetchy, but I am sure I can improve it more and more.

Your humble servant,

Hansadutta das

Hansadutta Das hansad...@gmail.com	5:58 AM (14 minutes ago)
to Diane

You wrote.....

As far as the use of Bhaktivedantas or Prabhupadanugas, remember what
Srila Prabhupada told when you asked him, "Does it mean I'm a GBC?"
Bhima pointed out that Narayana Swami and some of his followers also
assumed the title Bhaktivedanta, so there are a few "Bhaktivedantas"
running around. Then too, Srila Prabhupada expressed wishes that all
his disciples might qualify to be conferred the title, and that those
who did could initiate, so it might be mistakenly construed that those
who call themselves Bhaktivedantas are overreaching, trying to be
something they might not be. I do understand from your correspondence
with Madhudvisa some years back that your use the word Bhaktivedantas
is intended to mean followers of the Bhaktivedanta Srila Prabhupada,
just like the Franciscans, followers of St. Francis. The word
Prabhupadanuga also does not appeal to me personal

Hansadutta wrote....... 

When I suggest to use this Name BHAKTIVEDANTAS, I do not mean to have
everyone assume a Title before or after their name, as Narayana
Maharaja did. No more that devotees calling themselves " HARE KRSNAS "
means that the Individual IS HARE KRSNA, it means, he is someone who ,
for want of a better designation, is a follower, Practitioner , of
everything having to do with HARE KRSNA which to the public is the
most Visible and immediate way to identify a devotee........'THE HARE
KRSNA PEOPLE ".. Prabhupada also referred to his disciples as THE HARE
KRSNA PEOPLE, and in Germany one of our Record Albums was " THE
BEAUTIFUL HARE KRSNA PEOPLE " . So, that is also a good name. maybe
better, unfortunately, THE BEAUTIFUL HARE KRSNA PEOPLE  are rarely
seen chanting HARE KRSNA KIRTAN in public any more, but THE BEAUTIFUL
HARE KRSNA PEOPLE  good enough for me as it was for Srila Prabhupada.

Hansadutta das

[rmd]

Hansadutta prabhu's reply to comment above which he sent via e-mail:



As you noted,  "You have written tons of articles...... "
   
Yes, I have written some articles, but the direct scientific Vedic answer to your question is,  "The conditioned soul has three objects of allurement or desires, WEALTH - WOMEN / MEN -PRESTIGE or HONOR- (TO BE ADORED, TO BE WORSHIPED).  If a person is not Liberated"  -  "Brahma bhuta prasannatma" then he must be conditioned, meaning he has attraction and desire for WEALTH - WOMAN /MAN - AND HONORS. The devotees designated to act as Rittvik representatives were and are not now liberated souls.

Prabhupada gave them some conditional authority to "ACT AS RITTVIKREPRESENTATIVES OF THE ACHARYA", they disregarded this conditional authority, they unauthorisedly  assumed the position of GURU ACHARYAS( Liberated souls ), so when they were exposed to extra-ordinary WEALTH, WOMAN AND HONOR ( WORSHIP )  they  became infected -contaminated  by LUST, ANGER, GREED, LAMENTATION, ILLUSION AND FINALLY MADNESS  ( MYSELF INCLUDED ).  What appears to most rank and file devotees as "Conspiracy, collusion and calculated plans for TAKE OVERS ETC..." is only  an  effect of lust anger greed etc..., not the cause of the problems.  LUST,  ANGER, GREED, LAMENTATION, ILLUSION AND MADNESS are the cause, everything else is the effect.

In Bhagavad-gita KRSNA says..." When a man dwells on sense objects, he becomes attached to them, from attachment comes lust, from lust comes anger, from anger comes Greed, from greed, bewilderment of memory and loss of intelligence, then he falls down again into the material pool."

At the present moment ISKCON is in the grip of leadership of persons who are under the influence or in the grip of
LUST - ANGER, GREED - LAMENTATION  ILLUSION AND MADNESS. This is the simple summary answer to your question. Other details are secondary, not causal, they are effects of the heart disease LUST, ANGER, GREED LAMENTATION, ILLUSION AND MADNESS ( Nunam Pramatta kurute Vikarma ). A conditioned soul cannot remain free from the allure of extra ordinary wealth, beautiful woman, and extraordinary honors which are all heaped upon someone assuming the role of GURU - ACHARYA, DIVINE GRACE,VISHNUPADA, ACHARYAPAD, or any PADA we may label someone.

Devotees mix up the effect for the cause, missing the cause,  and missing the effect. They do not read and therefore do not understand the scientific cause and effect of life and matter. They too are sentimental and dogmatic.... like Christians, they mouth formulas from memory without clear insight and realization.  They do not understand from Prabhupada, they are in the grip of institutional rules, regulations, formulas and obstinate stupidity, because the leadership is contaminated by disloyalty and disobedience to the order of Srila Prabhupada, posturing themselves in a position for which they are not qualified and not authorized by The Founder Acharya, His Divine Grace A.C. Bhakivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

The entire top level leadership of ISKCON  ( GURUS, GBC, Temple PRESIDENTS, NNT TRUSTEES etc...)  are all implicated in the SINS (Guru  Aparadha)  of Jayadvaita Swami and company on going falsification of Prabhupada's Divine Gift  to humanity in the books of Srimad Bhagavatam, Bhagavad-gita and other  works. All of them remain silent while his adulteration and contamination of Srila Prabhupadas Divine work is spoiled more and more as the days go by.

They say a fish rots beginning with the head, so ISKCON is rotting from the head (leadership  GURUS, GBC, BBT etc.) on down. If the head of the ISKCON body is rotting, then what can one expect from the body dependent on the leadership of the head??

[Ken McLEOD]

My apologies to jump in here, Please accept my humble obeisance's.
 
There is one saying that goes  ..." That small section of society that owns the means of production distribution, exchange and communication" .
 
The above saying usually refers to the greedy karmis, like Rupert Murdoch and Gina Reinhart here in Australia. Reinhart earns 23 Million dollars a day but thinks everyone else should work for peanuts ! You pay peanuts you get monkey's.
 
Unfortunately all of the worlds religions especially Iskcon have become corporatized everything is about money. Regarding Iskcon we have a small section of the society enjoying extraordinary amounts of wealth and power and doling out the religion to whom they favour, and living it up, while the larger portions of the society living like peasants. The wealthy members of the society usually sanyasis, gurus and temple presidents give classes, using examples from the scriptures that keep devotees ideas about wealth in poverty. Meanwhile ...." The Lucky Ones",  all live it up.
 
In today's world the fact is, if you do not have access to wealth you are powerless. I know many devotees who often dream of going to holy places or America etc  but they are lucky if they have enough money to catch a bus into town. I guess this makes them more spiritual according to the norms.
 
Institutional structures should be broken down, so that ALL members are equally capable of participating in Srila Prabhupadas movement without prejudice, fear or favour. The only real way that this can happen is Ritvik Initiations, which in big part, removes the ability for so many gurus to take advantage of others and feather their own nest.
 
Dear Hansadutta Prabhu, I noticed in one post that you mentioned travelling around the world with others and giving people who were that way inclined ritvik initiation. I truly hope that one day this happens.
 
yfs
kurma
 
 
    
 

 

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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 02:46:54 -0700
From: raine...@gmail.com
To: istag...@googlegroups.com
CC: hansad...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Message from Hansadutta Prabhu

[Jack Eskildsen]

Well said Ken Mcleod and Hare Krishna,

Watching this whole situation unfold has given credence for me personally that the Christian vision of John is a possibility and that if this corporate church system that even Prabhupada's movement has been rolled into ever fails it will be like Jesus said when they say Lord, Lord did we not do all these things and the Lord will say depart from me I never knew you. The whole system is a beast that exploits the poor and disqualifies what could be the true brahmanas from any participation. For my personality and relationship with supersoul it is better to be poor and exiled from this system than to be part of it but I realize the supersoul can direct different people differently and there may be some brahmanas in the system and if so I wish them success in their struggle with the beast.

>> (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Christiane_R%C3%BCcker) in the Bavarian

[Hansadutta Das]

Dear Kurma , obeisances, all gloriesto Srila Prabhupada( Not the Chef )....maybe you should synthesize your name  KURMANOTCHEFF... or NOTCHEFKURMA  ??  That's how Srila Prabhupada ( The Swami in 1967 ) named me. I was Born HANS Jurgen KARY, so when I was receiving my beads from his hand, prabhupda said " Your bame is Hansadutta das Adhikary, " I could not get it right off, so I said    " What was that  ?? " ......Prabhupada said " Simply add Dutta " . .. so my name recieved a suffix HANSA - DUTTA and my last name a prefix ADHI -  KARY..... the meddle name was dropped, I never like that name anyway. So...i'm just saying.... you know  KURMANOTCHEFF might work for you in a unique way... sound kind of exotic.... a little of the Russian lilt to it.

Anyway, your point about ISKCON Leaders living in apparent LUXURY and comfort. This is probably a correct observation from your, and many other devotees. Having been on that side of the  1 % to 99 % disparity, I have come to understand this view a little differently.

 It can be illustrated by the analogy of the  misfortune   of the  ( un-sinkable  luxury wonder ship )  USS TITANIC. Devotees and friends  who see like you describe, are like the passengers who are observing the wealthy passengers still dining on fine food and drink, while the band is still playing gay music and couple dancing  ,laughing in  a  care free romantic spirit ,completely oblivious to the tragedy ( Ice berg collision ) that has already occurred, and will  shortly drag " The Rich and Famous "  wining and dining passengers to  their death where they are entombed  to this day in the unsinkable Luxury wonder ship ,  USS TITANIC  on the .ocean floor.

Why not jump overboard, or get in a life boat and save yourself ? why are you  still allured to the Gay, Happy indulgent life of " THE RICH AND FAMOUS " and  envious of their " FATAL ATTRACTION   and   FATAL GOOD  FOTUNE ???? "??? Why don"t you count your blessings,,, ? .. you can walk away from  ' THE FATAL ATTRACTIONS " of this world... Wealth / woman /  Prestige..... Prabhupada used to say " Once you have your ticke to London.... you are at once at easy, because you know, it is just a matter of time before you will board the plane, and arrive. So you already have your ticket  for '" BACK TO GODHEAD "  ( All Prabhupada's  disciple have) so just  hold on to that ticket, be patient, your journey is guranteed. Why do you want to get on the TITANIC, you already have a ticket for reaching the Ultimate Goal of human life, not the whimsical indulgent luxurious life of sense  indulgence. Be happy, se things in proper perspective.

Your humble servant,

Hansadutta das

[Ken McLEOD]

Dear Hansadutta das Please accept my humble obeisance's, all glories to Srila Prabhupada.
 
thank you for your kind encouragement, I really do need to count my blessings.
yfs
kurma 
 

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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 18:45:59 -0700

Subject: Re: Message from Hansadutta Prabhu

From: hansad...@gmail.com
To: istag...@googlegroups.com

[Ken McLEOD]

Thank you Jack Eskildsen,  Hare Krishna to you.
 yfs
kurma
 

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Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 17:01:18 -0700
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Subject: Re: Message from Hansadutta Prabhu

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