Respected HH Bhakti Vikasa Maharaja,
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gaurangasundar dasa
Jan 15, 2013, 11:25:46 PM1/15/13
to Prabhupadanuga
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/01-13/editorials9605.htm
Respected HH Bhakti Vikasa Maharaja,
Please accept our most humble obeisances! All Glories to Srila
Prabhupada!
We from ISKCON, inc., do not consider ourselves ritviks or ritvikites
but as servants, aspiring disciples of His Divine Grace A. C.
Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.
We do not consider Final Order to be our "Bible" or free from all
defects. July 9th letter may be sufficient for us as expressing the
desire of Srila Prabhupada but we base ourselves as diksha and siksha
disciples of His Divine Grace primarily on His Books as His Divine
Grace says "all answers are in my books."
For these reasons we did not bother replying to DOR, some of whose
arguments we actually agree with, but not the main inference that we
cannot be diksha disciples of Srila Prabhupada. But we do agree to the
partial understanding of that paper and of the GBC Society's current
understanding that Srila Prabhupada is at least the primary Siksha
Guru for all. So as we are all His Divine Grace's Siksha disciples at
least, as we have most of his teachings in common. Hence we have only
been appreciating your Holiness's and His Grace Rocana Prabhu's
struggles to establish the parampara message against all odds.
But as you have asked, we will oblige and try our best to serve our
spiritual master Srila Prabhhpada and his followers by preparing a
siddhantic basis for our understanding which will cover the main
argument/thesis of DOR that Srila Prabhupada cannot be accepted and/
or cannot accept Diksha disciples and that this is against the
parampara/ tradition.
We would request Your Holiness to await that post and engage with us
from your busy schedule.
It appears that Your Holiness would like to defeat us in this
understanding. But we would like to engage with the esteemed senior
Godbrothers to understand further the intricacies of Guru Tattva as "
A sincere student should not neglect the discussion of such
conclusions, considering them controversial, for such discussions
strengthen the mind. Thus one's mind becomes attached to Sri
Krishna." (Cc Adi 2.117).
Srila Prabhupada writes "In the Caitanya-Caritamrta it is said that
nobody should be neglectful of the siddhanta because by siddhantic
conclusion one becomes firm in Krishna Consciousness. So these
siddhantic conclusions are being mentioned in all of my books, and the
boys and girls in our Krishna Society should now give more attention
for studying the books very attentively." (Srila Prabhupada in a
letter on 17th February, 1970)
May Srila Prabhupada bless us with complete understanding of siddhanta
regarding his position and the Guru Tattva, as fully described in his
books.
Thank you for giving us this opportunity.
Your humble servant,
Nimai Pandit Das
President
ISKCON Long Island, NY
P.s. we are not part of "berating, fanatic ritviks". Hence if you were
actually wishing to entangle with them, then Your Holiness would maybe
disappointed with our this reply. But as the Mayapur GBC Society have
"expelled" us from their version of ISKCON for being "ritviks" and as
they have been fighting legally in NY courts for the last almost 9
years spending millions of dollars for us being "ritviks", our reply
maybe worthwhile to Your Holiness.
Respected HH Bhakti Vikasa Maharaja,
Please accept our most humble obeisances! All Glories to Srila
Prabhupada!
We from ISKCON, inc., do not consider ourselves ritviks or ritvikites
but as servants, aspiring disciples of His Divine Grace A. C.
Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.
We do not consider Final Order to be our "Bible" or free from all
defects. July 9th letter may be sufficient for us as expressing the
desire of Srila Prabhupada but we base ourselves as diksha and siksha
disciples of His Divine Grace primarily on His Books as His Divine
Grace says "all answers are in my books."
For these reasons we did not bother replying to DOR, some of whose
arguments we actually agree with, but not the main inference that we
cannot be diksha disciples of Srila Prabhupada. But we do agree to the
partial understanding of that paper and of the GBC Society's current
understanding that Srila Prabhupada is at least the primary Siksha
Guru for all. So as we are all His Divine Grace's Siksha disciples at
least, as we have most of his teachings in common. Hence we have only
been appreciating your Holiness's and His Grace Rocana Prabhu's
struggles to establish the parampara message against all odds.
But as you have asked, we will oblige and try our best to serve our
spiritual master Srila Prabhhpada and his followers by preparing a
siddhantic basis for our understanding which will cover the main
argument/thesis of DOR that Srila Prabhupada cannot be accepted and/
or cannot accept Diksha disciples and that this is against the
parampara/ tradition.
We would request Your Holiness to await that post and engage with us
from your busy schedule.
It appears that Your Holiness would like to defeat us in this
understanding. But we would like to engage with the esteemed senior
Godbrothers to understand further the intricacies of Guru Tattva as "
A sincere student should not neglect the discussion of such
conclusions, considering them controversial, for such discussions
strengthen the mind. Thus one's mind becomes attached to Sri
Krishna." (Cc Adi 2.117).
Srila Prabhupada writes "In the Caitanya-Caritamrta it is said that
nobody should be neglectful of the siddhanta because by siddhantic
conclusion one becomes firm in Krishna Consciousness. So these
siddhantic conclusions are being mentioned in all of my books, and the
boys and girls in our Krishna Society should now give more attention
for studying the books very attentively." (Srila Prabhupada in a
letter on 17th February, 1970)
May Srila Prabhupada bless us with complete understanding of siddhanta
regarding his position and the Guru Tattva, as fully described in his
books.
Thank you for giving us this opportunity.
Your humble servant,
Nimai Pandit Das
President
ISKCON Long Island, NY
P.s. we are not part of "berating, fanatic ritviks". Hence if you were
actually wishing to entangle with them, then Your Holiness would maybe
disappointed with our this reply. But as the Mayapur GBC Society have
"expelled" us from their version of ISKCON for being "ritviks" and as
they have been fighting legally in NY courts for the last almost 9
years spending millions of dollars for us being "ritviks", our reply
maybe worthwhile to Your Holiness.
gaurangasundar dasa
Jan 16, 2013, 6:39:13 AM1/16/13
to Prabhupadanuga
Rocana declined to publish the above post on his website .Below is
his reply to Nimai pandit prabhu
Dear Nimai Pandit das,
Hare Krsna. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
We decline to publish your response to HH Bhakti Vikasa Swami, but
will
forward a copy to him so that he can answer you directly, if he
wishes.
We decline to publish your article because we find it to be
unnecessarily
propagandist. You and essentially all your associates in Bangalore
and
ISKCON Inc. have long promoted yourselves as Ritviks. Yes, 'servants'
you
undoubtedly also consider yourselves to be, but we find you to be less
than honest in making this denial. Nor do we accept the reversion to
a
"Prabhupadanugas" identity that is today the commonplace means of
trying
to bury the history of the Rtviks' long self-promoted identity.
We do, of course, understand your desire to move away from the stigma
of
the Ritvik identity, but we suggest that you will only succeed in
doing so
by adopting proper siddhanta on guru-tattva, and rejecting your
asiddhantic Ritvik-vada.
You say that you don't consider yourselves to be Ritviks (although you
accept the July 9th Letter as an order for post-samadhi diksa
initiations,
which we assert is precisely the definition of Ritvik-ism), and that
TFO
is not your "Bible", and you suggest that for these reasons, you
didn't
bother replying to DOR. We find this explanation to be disingenuous.
And
more so, when you pander to Maharaj's brief article by saying that it
has
now inspired your change of heart to respond to DOR. Nonetheless,
we
await your reply to DOR and look forward to responding to it.
your servant,
Rocana dasa
On Jan 16, 9:25 am, gaurangasundar dasa <gaurangasundard...@gmail.com>
wrote:
his reply to Nimai pandit prabhu
Dear Nimai Pandit das,
Hare Krsna. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
We decline to publish your response to HH Bhakti Vikasa Swami, but
will
forward a copy to him so that he can answer you directly, if he
wishes.
We decline to publish your article because we find it to be
unnecessarily
propagandist. You and essentially all your associates in Bangalore
and
ISKCON Inc. have long promoted yourselves as Ritviks. Yes, 'servants'
you
undoubtedly also consider yourselves to be, but we find you to be less
than honest in making this denial. Nor do we accept the reversion to
a
"Prabhupadanugas" identity that is today the commonplace means of
trying
to bury the history of the Rtviks' long self-promoted identity.
We do, of course, understand your desire to move away from the stigma
of
the Ritvik identity, but we suggest that you will only succeed in
doing so
by adopting proper siddhanta on guru-tattva, and rejecting your
asiddhantic Ritvik-vada.
You say that you don't consider yourselves to be Ritviks (although you
accept the July 9th Letter as an order for post-samadhi diksa
initiations,
which we assert is precisely the definition of Ritvik-ism), and that
TFO
is not your "Bible", and you suggest that for these reasons, you
didn't
bother replying to DOR. We find this explanation to be disingenuous.
And
more so, when you pander to Maharaj's brief article by saying that it
has
now inspired your change of heart to respond to DOR. Nonetheless,
we
await your reply to DOR and look forward to responding to it.
your servant,
Rocana dasa
On Jan 16, 9:25 am, gaurangasundar dasa <gaurangasundard...@gmail.com>
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