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Hari Bol,please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!Shyamasundara Dasa (an so called ISKCON Astrologer) was again proven false in this nice article:I have some experience with this guy myself.When I was suffering from a severe health problem he told me to do fire sacrifices for 10000US$,
which is totally rediculous.He never told me about the inexpensive/free remedies like Narayana Kavacha given by Srila Prabhupada in the SB!
Despite the fact that Srila Prabhupada was against astrology,
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Ayanamsa is zero for the rasis but is still used for Nakshatras, since procession of equinox must still be accounted for in star based calculations. All the Dasa systems use Nakshatras.
https://vicdicara.wordpress.com/2015/12/14/which-ayanamsha-brief/
"The weakest point of so-called “Vedic” astrology is that it cannot say where exactly the sidereal zodiac has its zero point. This question is of central importance because without a well-founded zero point there can be no correct positions of the planets in zodiac signs, lunar mansions, and other subdivisions of the ecliptic. And without these there can be no correct astrological chart interpretations and predictions. Again, the history of “Vedic” astrology can show us how serious and unsolved this problem is.
https://www.astro.com/astrology/in_vedic2_e.htm
The star's orbit is not changing, the star is orbiting around the galactic centre. The point is that the position of the star is not fixed. It's orbit is fixed.
In order to determine whether the stars are changing their orbit, this might be a speculation. Prabhupada never said like that. Prabhupada rather says repeatedly that all celestial bodies move exactly in time. "We can see practically that universal affairs, how things are being managed. Exactly in the right time, the sun is rising, the moon is rising, and they're working exactly to the time. In this season, the sun will stay during daytime so many hours. Exactly we find. Not that this year he's staying from six to six, and next year he's not appearing. No. There is no question of accidents. The same date, same month, and the same appearance of the sun and the moon. Everything."
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 8:36 AM Radha Ramana <radha.ram...@gmail.com> wrote:
The surya-siddhanta gives coordinates for the stars but a lot of the coordinates are inaccurate now because the stars themselves are actually moving relative to the galactic center. You also have procession of the equinoxes on earth which has moved the stars from earth's perspective, which was at zero ayanamsa 1700 years ago to almost one rasi today. The original tropical vedic school calculates ayanamsa using the galactic center(not the star citra), since it is the only truly fixed point, and the middle of mula(root) nakshatra, it also divides the 27 segments along the equator rather than elliptic, as traditionally done, since the movement of the stars has nothing to do with the movement of the sun along the elliptic. The result is an ayanamsa slightly different than Lahiri, but more astronomically accurate, at least according to the opinion of this school of thought.The nakshatras are described as the 27 wives of the moon. The moon governs our mind and how things grow in our lives, so the nakshatras give 27 flavors of how things grow, so it can give a lot information about a persons character. The dasa system is based on the nakshatras(you may have heard someone say "I'm in Rahu dasa" etc) and is very important for predictive astrology. The nakshatras are also intrinsic to muhurta(auspicious time) calculations. The nakshatras and planets are conscious entities that have a lot of influence on our lives.I don't know of any prominent vedic astrologers that use zero ayanamsa, it wouldn't make sense astronomically.
On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 3:38 AM Pratyatosa <praty...@gmail.com> wrote:
--Stars are in exact positions, so how can there be any controversy about the value of the ayanamsa when it comes to "star based calculations?"Are there any Vedic astrologers who use an ayanamsa of zero when it comes to Nakshatras? If so, how well does it work?Are there any that simply ignore the Nakshatras?On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 7:50 PM Radha Ramana <radha.ram...@gmail.com> wrote:Ayanamsa is zero for the rasis but is still used for Nakshatras, since procession of equinox must still be accounted for in star based calculations. All the Dasa systems use Nakshatras.
https://vicdicara.wordpress.com/2015/12/14/which-ayanamsha-brief/
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The star's orbit is not changing, the star is orbiting around the galactic centre. The point is that the position of the star is not fixed. It's orbit is fixed.
On 7 Jan 2019 10:34 am, "rainer hahn" <raine...@gmail.com> wrote:
In order to determine whether the stars are changing their orbit, this might be a speculation. Prabhupada never said like that. Prabhupada rather says repeatedly that all celestial bodies move exactly in time. "We can see practically that universal affairs, how things are being managed. Exactly in the right time, the sun is rising, the moon is rising, and they're working exactly to the time. In this season, the sun will stay during daytime so many hours. Exactly we find. Not that this year he's staying from six to six, and next year he's not appearing. No. There is no question of accidents. The same date, same month, and the same appearance of the sun and the moon. Everything."
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 8:36 AM Radha Ramana <radha.ram...@gmail.com> wrote:
The surya-siddhanta gives coordinates for the stars but a lot of the coordinates are inaccurate now because the stars themselves are actually moving relative to the galactic center. You also have procession of the equinoxes on earth which has moved the stars from earth's perspective, which was at zero ayanamsa 1700 years ago to almost one rasi today. The original tropical vedic school calculates ayanamsa using the galactic center(not the star citra), since it is the only truly fixed point, and the middle of mula(root) nakshatra, it also divides the 27 segments along the equator rather than elliptic, as traditionally done, since the movement of the stars has nothing to do with the movement of the sun along the elliptic. The result is an ayanamsa slightly different than Lahiri, but more astronomically accurate, at least according to the opinion of this school of thought.The nakshatras are described as the 27 wives of the moon. The moon governs our mind and how things grow in our lives, so the nakshatras give 27 flavors of how things grow, so it can give a lot information about a persons character. The dasa system is based on the nakshatras(you may have heard someone say "I'm in Rahu dasa" etc) and is very important for predictive astrology. The nakshatras are also intrinsic to muhurta(auspicious time) calculations. The nakshatras and planets are conscious entities that have a lot of influence on our lives.I don't know of any prominent vedic astrologers that use zero ayanamsa, it wouldn't make sense astronomically.
On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 3:38 AM Pratyatosa <praty...@gmail.com> wrote:
--Stars are in exact positions, so how can there be any controversy about the value of the ayanamsa when it comes to "star based calculations?"Are there any Vedic astrologers who use an ayanamsa of zero when it comes to Nakshatras? If so, how well does it work?Are there any that simply ignore the Nakshatras?On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 7:50 PM Radha Ramana <radha.ram...@gmail.com> wrote:Ayanamsa is zero for the rasis but is still used for Nakshatras, since procession of equinox must still be accounted for in star based calculations. All the Dasa systems use Nakshatras.
https://vicdicara.wordpress.com/2015/12/14/which-ayanamsha-brief/
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I thought were talking about stars not planets
Prabhupada: "The sun is rising exactly in time, astronomically. The astronomical watch is one ten-thousandth part of a second. It is so accurate. You'll find everything is going on."If there is no change of time in the rising of the sun, then why should other planets change time?
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 9:38 AM Radha Ramana <radha.ram...@gmail.com> wrote:
The star's orbit is not changing, the star is orbiting around the galactic centre. The point is that the position of the star is not fixed. It's orbit is fixed.
On 7 Jan 2019 10:34 am, "rainer hahn" <raine...@gmail.com> wrote:
In order to determine whether the stars are changing their orbit, this might be a speculation. Prabhupada never said like that. Prabhupada rather says repeatedly that all celestial bodies move exactly in time. "We can see practically that universal affairs, how things are being managed. Exactly in the right time, the sun is rising, the moon is rising, and they're working exactly to the time. In this season, the sun will stay during daytime so many hours. Exactly we find. Not that this year he's staying from six to six, and next year he's not appearing. No. There is no question of accidents. The same date, same month, and the same appearance of the sun and the moon. Everything."
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 8:36 AM Radha Ramana <radha.ram...@gmail.com> wrote:
The surya-siddhanta gives coordinates for the stars but a lot of the coordinates are inaccurate now because the stars themselves are actually moving relative to the galactic center. You also have procession of the equinoxes on earth which has moved the stars from earth's perspective, which was at zero ayanamsa 1700 years ago to almost one rasi today. The original tropical vedic school calculates ayanamsa using the galactic center(not the star citra), since it is the only truly fixed point, and the middle of mula(root) nakshatra, it also divides the 27 segments along the equator rather than elliptic, as traditionally done, since the movement of the stars has nothing to do with the movement of the sun along the elliptic. The result is an ayanamsa slightly different than Lahiri, but more astronomically accurate, at least according to the opinion of this school of thought.The nakshatras are described as the 27 wives of the moon. The moon governs our mind and how things grow in our lives, so the nakshatras give 27 flavors of how things grow, so it can give a lot information about a persons character. The dasa system is based on the nakshatras(you may have heard someone say "I'm in Rahu dasa" etc) and is very important for predictive astrology. The nakshatras are also intrinsic to muhurta(auspicious time) calculations. The nakshatras and planets are conscious entities that have a lot of influence on our lives.I don't know of any prominent vedic astrologers that use zero ayanamsa, it wouldn't make sense astronomically.
On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 3:38 AM Pratyatosa <praty...@gmail.com> wrote:
--Stars are in exact positions, so how can there be any controversy about the value of the ayanamsa when it comes to "star based calculations?"Are there any Vedic astrologers who use an ayanamsa of zero when it comes to Nakshatras? If so, how well does it work?Are there any that simply ignore the Nakshatras?On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 7:50 PM Radha Ramana <radha.ram...@gmail.com> wrote:Ayanamsa is zero for the rasis but is still used for Nakshatras, since procession of equinox must still be accounted for in star based calculations. All the Dasa systems use Nakshatras.
https://vicdicara.wordpress.com/2015/12/14/which-ayanamsha-brief/
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Stars are planets according to veda. There is only one "star" being the sun.
Stars are planets according to veda. There is only one "star" being the sun.
On Tuesday, 8 January 2019 00:48:51 UTC+13, Radha Ramana wrote:
I thought were talking about stars not planets
On 7 Jan 2019 12:53 pm, "rainer hahn" <raine...@gmail.com> wrote:
Prabhupada: "The sun is rising exactly in time, astronomically. The astronomical watch is one ten-thousandth part of a second. It is so accurate. You'll find everything is going on."If there is no change of time in the rising of the sun, then why should other planets change time?
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 9:38 AM Radha Ramana <radha.ram...@gmail.com> wrote:
The star's orbit is not changing, the star is orbiting around the galactic centre. The point is that the position of the star is not fixed. It's orbit is fixed.
On 7 Jan 2019 10:34 am, "rainer hahn" <raine...@gmail.com> wrote:
In order to determine whether the stars are changing their orbit, this might be a speculation. Prabhupada never said like that. Prabhupada rather says repeatedly that all celestial bodies move exactly in time. "We can see practically that universal affairs, how things are being managed. Exactly in the right time, the sun is rising, the moon is rising, and they're working exactly to the time. In this season, the sun will stay during daytime so many hours. Exactly we find. Not that this year he's staying from six to six, and next year he's not appearing. No. There is no question of accidents. The same date, same month, and the same appearance of the sun and the moon. Everything."
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 8:36 AM Radha Ramana <radha.ram...@gmail.com> wrote:
The surya-siddhanta gives coordinates for the stars but a lot of the coordinates are inaccurate now because the stars themselves are actually moving relative to the galactic center. You also have procession of the equinoxes on earth which has moved the stars from earth's perspective, which was at zero ayanamsa 1700 years ago to almost one rasi today. The original tropical vedic school calculates ayanamsa using the galactic center(not the star citra), since it is the only truly fixed point, and the middle of mula(root) nakshatra, it also divides the 27 segments along the equator rather than elliptic, as traditionally done, since the movement of the stars has nothing to do with the movement of the sun along the elliptic. The result is an ayanamsa slightly different than Lahiri, but more astronomically accurate, at least according to the opinion of this school of thought.The nakshatras are described as the 27 wives of the moon. The moon governs our mind and how things grow in our lives, so the nakshatras give 27 flavors of how things grow, so it can give a lot information about a persons character. The dasa system is based on the nakshatras(you may have heard someone say "I'm in Rahu dasa" etc) and is very important for predictive astrology. The nakshatras are also intrinsic to muhurta(auspicious time) calculations. The nakshatras and planets are conscious entities that have a lot of influence on our lives.I don't know of any prominent vedic astrologers that use zero ayanamsa, it wouldn't make sense astronomically.
On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 3:38 AM Pratyatosa <praty...@gmail.com> wrote:
--Stars are in exact positions, so how can there be any controversy about the value of the ayanamsa when it comes to "star based calculations?"Are there any Vedic astrologers who use an ayanamsa of zero when it comes to Nakshatras? If so, how well does it work?Are there any that simply ignore the Nakshatras?On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 7:50 PM Radha Ramana <radha.ram...@gmail.com> wrote:Ayanamsa is zero for the rasis but is still used for Nakshatras, since procession of equinox must still be accounted for in star based calculations. All the Dasa systems use Nakshatras.
https://vicdicara.wordpress.com/2015/12/14/which-ayanamsha-brief/
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Stars are planets according to veda. There is only one "star" being the sun.
On Tuesday, 8 January 2019 00:48:51 UTC+13, Radha Ramana wrote:
I thought were talking about stars not planets
On 7 Jan 2019 12:53 pm, "rainer hahn" <raine...@gmail.com> wrote:
Prabhupada: "The sun is rising exactly in time, astronomically. The astronomical watch is one ten-thousandth part of a second. It is so accurate. You'll find everything is going on."If there is no change of time in the rising of the sun, then why should other planets change time?
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 9:38 AM Radha Ramana <radha.ram...@gmail.com> wrote:
The star's orbit is not changing, the star is orbiting around the galactic centre. The point is that the position of the star is not fixed. It's orbit is fixed.
On 7 Jan 2019 10:34 am, "rainer hahn" <raine...@gmail.com> wrote:
In order to determine whether the stars are changing their orbit, this might be a speculation. Prabhupada never said like that. Prabhupada rather says repeatedly that all celestial bodies move exactly in time. "We can see practically that universal affairs, how things are being managed. Exactly in the right time, the sun is rising, the moon is rising, and they're working exactly to the time. In this season, the sun will stay during daytime so many hours. Exactly we find. Not that this year he's staying from six to six, and next year he's not appearing. No. There is no question of accidents. The same date, same month, and the same appearance of the sun and the moon. Everything."
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 8:36 AM Radha Ramana <radha.ram...@gmail.com> wrote:
The surya-siddhanta gives coordinates for the stars but a lot of the coordinates are inaccurate now because the stars themselves are actually moving relative to the galactic center. You also have procession of the equinoxes on earth which has moved the stars from earth's perspective, which was at zero ayanamsa 1700 years ago to almost one rasi today. The original tropical vedic school calculates ayanamsa using the galactic center(not the star citra), since it is the only truly fixed point, and the middle of mula(root) nakshatra, it also divides the 27 segments along the equator rather than elliptic, as traditionally done, since the movement of the stars has nothing to do with the movement of the sun along the elliptic. The result is an ayanamsa slightly different than Lahiri, but more astronomically accurate, at least according to the opinion of this school of thought.The nakshatras are described as the 27 wives of the moon. The moon governs our mind and how things grow in our lives, so the nakshatras give 27 flavors of how things grow, so it can give a lot information about a persons character. The dasa system is based on the nakshatras(you may have heard someone say "I'm in Rahu dasa" etc) and is very important for predictive astrology. The nakshatras are also intrinsic to muhurta(auspicious time) calculations. The nakshatras and planets are conscious entities that have a lot of influence on our lives.I don't know of any prominent vedic astrologers that use zero ayanamsa, it wouldn't make sense astronomically.
On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 3:38 AM Pratyatosa <praty...@gmail.com> wrote:
--Stars are in exact positions, so how can there be any controversy about the value of the ayanamsa when it comes to "star based calculations?"Are there any Vedic astrologers who use an ayanamsa of zero when it comes to Nakshatras? If so, how well does it work?Are there any that simply ignore the Nakshatras?On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 7:50 PM Radha Ramana <radha.ram...@gmail.com> wrote:Ayanamsa is zero for the rasis but is still used for Nakshatras, since procession of equinox must still be accounted for in star based calculations. All the Dasa systems use Nakshatras.
https://vicdicara.wordpress.com/2015/12/14/which-ayanamsha-brief/
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The parivartana yoga of Mer(practicality) and Venus(women) probably referring to Prabhupada's revolutionary treatment of women in the Vaisnava tradition.
According to the tropical zodiac Prabhupada's lagna is Aquarius(assuming his birth time is exactly 16h00). Giving him Moon(devotion) and Mars(character) in the 5th house(devotion). Jupiter(Guru) in 7th(partnership). Sat(authority) in the 10th(achievement). Mer(manager) in 9th(dharma). Sun(soul) in 8th(12th from 9th, purpose of the Guru). Venus(wife) in 8th(destruction). Mer in the 9th is ruling 4 planets and the final depositor in the chart, showing someone who's very practical and balanced in religious affairs. Mer also has a parivartana yoga with Ven in the 8th, showing someone who breaks from tradition.
With Capricorn lagna Prabhupada has only 1 planet in an angle, 2 in a trine and 4 planets in dushtana(inauspicious) houses. Hence why some astrologers wanted to rectify his chart to make it look better. Sidereal astrologers always have to fudge things so that it makes sense.
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Mer also represents communication so Mer as the final depositor in the 9th(dharma) for an Aquarius lagna make a lot of sense since Prabhupada was a great communicator or preacher of dharma.
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Sat being the slowest moving planet in 10th indicates someone who would achieve things later in life but those achievements would be lasting.
The parivartana yoga of Mer(practicality) and Venus(women) probably referring to Prabhupada's revolutionary treatment of women in the Vaisnava tradition.
On 10 May 2019 7:57 pm, "Radha Ramana" <radha.ra...@gmail.com> wrote:
According to the tropical zodiac Prabhupada's lagna is Aquarius(assuming his birth time is exactly 16h00). Giving him Moon(devotion) and Mars(character) in the 5th house(devotion). Jupiter(Guru) in 7th(partnership). Sat(authority) in the 10th(achievement). Mer(manager) in 9th(dharma). Sun(soul) in 8th(12th from 9th, purpose of the Guru). Venus(wife) in 8th(destruction). Mer in the 9th is ruling 4 planets and the final depositor in the chart, showing someone who's very practical and balanced in religious affairs. Mer also has a parivartana yoga with Ven in the 8th, showing someone who breaks from tradition.
With Capricorn lagna Prabhupada has only 1 planet in an angle, 2 in a trine and 4 planets in dushtana(inauspicious) houses. Hence why some astrologers wanted to rectify his chart to make it look better. Sidereal astrologers always have to fudge things so that it makes sense.
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Sat being the slowest moving planet in 10th indicates someone who would achieve things later in life but those achievements would be lasting.
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Mer also represents communication so Mer as the final depositor in the 9th(dharma) for an Aquarius lagna make a lot of sense since Prabhupada was a great communicator or preacher of dharma.
On 10 May 2019 8:01 pm, "Radha Ramana" <radha.ra...@gmail.com> wrote:
The parivartana yoga of Mer(practicality) and Venus(women) probably referring to Prabhupada's revolutionary treatment of women in the Vaisnava tradition.
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Mer also represents communication so Mer as the final depositor in the 9th(dharma) for an Aquarius lagna make a lot of sense since Prabhupada was a great communicator or preacher of dharma.
On 10 May 2019 8:01 pm, "Radha Ramana" <radha.ra...@gmail.com> wrote:
The parivartana yoga of Mer(practicality) and Venus(women) probably referring to Prabhupada's revolutionary treatment of women in the Vaisnava tradition.
On 10 May 2019 7:57 pm, "Radha Ramana" <radha.ra...@gmail.com> wrote:
According to the tropical zodiac Prabhupada's lagna is Aquarius(assuming his birth time is exactly 16h00). Giving him Moon(devotion) and Mars(character) in the 5th house(devotion). Jupiter(Guru) in 7th(partnership). Sat(authority) in the 10th(achievement). Mer(manager) in 9th(dharma). Sun(soul) in 8th(12th from 9th, purpose of the Guru). Venus(wife) in 8th(destruction). Mer in the 9th is ruling 4 planets and the final depositor in the chart, showing someone who's very practical and balanced in religious affairs. Mer also has a parivartana yoga with Ven in the 8th, showing someone who breaks from tradition.
With Capricorn lagna Prabhupada has only 1 planet in an angle, 2 in a trine and 4 planets in dushtana(inauspicious) houses. Hence why some astrologers wanted to rectify his chart to make it look better. Sidereal astrologers always have to fudge things so that it makes sense.
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"...he was in India from 1980-83 and not in NYC." But it doesn't say exactly when in 1980 he when to India. For all we know, he might have been in NYC for most of that year, right?
In any case, it looks like Krishna tricked him into using a bogus system of astrology (sidereal). Casting an astrological horoscope is a science, pure and simple. When it comes to science, which country is near the bottom of the barrel? India! This can be proven by the fact that only one out of hundreds of scientific Nobel prizes have been won by an Indian on Indian soil! For that reason alone, it should be obvious that the Tropical (Western) system of astrology is correct! Obviously, the sidereal system of astrology is just a childish attempt, on the part of a few foolish Indian "astrologers," at oneupmanship over the Western astrologers! Here's proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiGrAwe78-AOn Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 5:31 AM <sugri...@gmail.com> wrote:According to this article http://shyamasundaradasa.com/jyotish/resources/articles/adp/ashtamangala_deva_prasna_1.html he was in India from 1980-83 and not in NYC. Looks like you need to get your RAM replaced. (-:
On Saturday, June 4, 2016 at 11:45:55 PM UTC+5:30, Pratyatosa wrote:I talked with Shyamasundara Dasa, the "always wrong about everything Vedic astrologer" at the 55th Street temple in NYC back in 1980, when the GBC was in a panic to sell it. He was predicting that there would be nuclear war "very soon" and that NYC would be a prime target! "After all, that's what Srila Prabhupada predicted, right?" Therefore, I suspect that he was part of the reason why the GBC was in such a hurry to sell it.Ys, Ptd
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Hari Bol,please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!Shyamasundara Dasa (an so called ISKCON Astrologer) was again proven false in this nice article:I have some experience with this guy myself.
When I was suffering from a severe health problem he told me to do fire sacrifices for 10000US$, which is totally rediculous.
He never told me about the inexpensive/free remedies like Narayana Kavacha given by Srila Prabhupada in the SB!
Despite the fact that Srila Prabhupada was against astrology, these ISKCON astrologers fool the innocent neophytes with their charlatan business.
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Then this year, I came accross Vrajakishora Dasa (Vic DiCara). Now this Prabhu is (for me then) on the level of Syamasundara. Vic DiCara used to be an astrologer using the Sidereal zodiac.
Now he says: Use the Sidereal zodiac for the naksatra's and the Tropical zodiac for the rasis. It does make sense when you consult scripture if you want to know what the start of the zodiac is (Aries).
He has so explained it very professionally as well on his website. I hope Syamasundara can at least respond to the arguments Vic DiCara presents.
Also, Vic DiCara comes over as a nice person.
For fun, I also calculated Srila Prabhupada's chart using 16:00 hours as birthtime with Tropical zodiac. And guess what: Aquarius is rising.
I thought, when I post this or ask other about this, I will be declared a crazy man.And now Prabhu, you come with it!!! I am going to make a webpage and present all viewpoints and let the readers decide!
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When the sun passes through the five signs beginning with Vṛścika [Scorpio], the duration of the days decreases [until Capricorn], and then gradually it increases month after month, until day and night become equal [in Aries].
SB 5.21.5
The word ayana means "path" or "going." The six months when the sun moves toward the north are called uttarāyaṇa, or the northern path, and the six months when it moves south are called dakṣiṇāyana, or the southern path. These are mentioned in Bhagavad-gītā (8.24-25). The first day when the sun begins to move north and enter the zodiacal sign of Capricorn is called Makara-saṅkrānti, and the first day when the sun begins to move south and enter the sign of Cancer is called Karkaṭa-saṅkrānti. On these two days of the year, one should perform the śrāddha ceremony.
Sb 7.14.20p
Makara sankranti is at the solstice in Dec not in Jan
Letter to Jay Krishna Thakura -- Vrindaban 6 December, 1975: Regarding your question about my birth. I was born September 1, 1896, Tuesday at about 4:00 in the afternoon. My rasi is Metthuna.
His moon rasi is only Mithuna on the tropical zodiac, sidereally there is no planet in Mithuna.
I don't read books, I read the author. I first see the author to see if he's authentic or not. I am a proof reader. I always see what is right and what is wrong. My father trained me in proofreading, but I am not only a proofreader of the press. I am a proofreader of the world. I proofread men: I see their faults and try to correct them. I am a proofreader of religion also. I have appeared in the karkata lagna (astrologically), so whenever I see anything undevotional I will act like a karkata (a crab). If I see any so-called devotion which is not actually in the true unalloyed spirit, I shall pierce it.
--- "Associates of Śrī Chaitanya", by His Divine Grace Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī Ṭhākura Jagad Guru Prabhupada.
Bhaktisiddanta lagna is only Karkata in the tropical zodiac.
@Sugriva Prabhu what evidence do you have? A vague analogy about the nakshatras and rasi being fixed to the wheel of time.
Basically you have nothing.
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If this is so why do the planets visibly appear in the sky at night at the positions they are forcasted by sidereal zodiac?There is also babylonian astrology.The famous western astroliger nikolas stojanovic did may videos on astrolada youtube about his degree theory.So in my opinion astrologers should experiment an see what actually works no matter which system.
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Page 10" After determining the Nakshatras of the planets, Surya Siddhanta moves on to determine the Ayanamsa, the difference between sidereal and Tropical Zodiacs. The Ayanamsa is added to the positions so far determined to convert the planetary positions to tropical positions. Once the tropical positions are determined, Surya Siddhanta provides the calculations for determining declinations and, most importantly, the Lagna. These things can only be calculated with the Tropical Zodiac and are impossible to calculate with the Sidereal Zodiac. Whereas the modern procedure is to calculate the Lagna with the help of the Tropical Zodiac and then convert it to a sidereal position, Surya Siddhanta converts the positions of the planets to tropical and then calculates the Lagna. Nowhere does Surya Siddhanta then state to convert the derived tropical Lagna to a sidereal Lagna, the Lagna remains as it is as a tropical Lagna. This would seem to support that the Tropical Zodiac is to be used for erecting horoscopes, unless the reader is meant to “obviously” convert the Lagna to a sidereal Lagna. Furthermore, in all the calculations that can only be calculated with tropical positions, such as declination and the Lagna, Surya Siddhanta uses the same 12 Rasis with the same names, but starting with Aries at the Vernal Equinox instead of Aries at the beginning of Asvini. No wonder the correct Zodiac is confused. An unbiased study of the Surya Siddhanta reveals greater importance given to the tropical Rasis, at least in the context of Solar months. Since it does not clearly state, “Use this or that for erecting a horoscope.” it would be presumptuous to lay claim to the Tropical Zodiac or the Sidereal Zodiac being the correct Zodiac for astrological use without further investigation."
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First, we have the Vedas themselves, which used astrology to determine the correct time to perform important and sacred endeavors ("yajña"). Mostly they relied on 27 sidereal nakshatras, but whenever they utilized a 12-fold division, they did so in relation to solstice and equinox (i.e. they utilized only the tropical 12-fold division).
Next, we have the astronomical sections of the Purāṇas, along with the Indian astronomical and astrological classics like Sūrya Siddhānta and Bṛhat Parāśara Hora Śāstra. As shown above, these unequivocally and uniformly define the zodiac as a solstice/equinox phenomenon - i.e. "tropical." (see above for exact quotes)
This being the case, can we expect at least several more contemporary Indian thinkers to question the adoption of the sidereal zodiac? Yes, many. he mentions those he knows of.
Classical astrologers such as Varāha Mihira and Aryabhata spoke in favor of a tropical zodiac. Aryabhata did so in the first statement of the fourth chapter of his book, Aryabhatiya. Varāha Mihira did so in Bṛhatsaṁhita (3.1-3) and Pañcasiddhāntikā (3.21 & 32) where he noted that the solstices are the markers for the beginning of Cancer and Capricorn, and these drift through the nakshatras over time, but the tradition developing around him was ignoring this in favor of just keeping things the same.
Since most do not really care about 27 naksatra's and are looking for the 12 signs and its interpretation for their lives (dharma, artha, kama), Vic DiCara quotes from sastra and scientifically provides proof. It strikes to me that why there is no Indian (Vedic) astrologer who can counterargument him? I think there was one but now I cannot seem to find the video. Still when using intelligence, Vic DiCara kind of came on top for me. The Indian was more standard talk (which I also knew from other astrologers)
Anyway. Srila Prabhupada said not to dive to deep into astrology. Because astrology deals with dharma, artha, kama etc (the purusharthas, which are in the 3 modes). Devotees must focus on the parampurusharta (pure goodness = Krishna Consciousness).
If you want to
There are many astrologers who can talk/explain beautifully. This proofs that when one does not use material knowledge into service of Krishna or His devotees, then one gets bewildered. What I like about Vic DiCara is that he is a devotee. Yet others like Syamasundara Dasa and Bhabajeet Khalita (Exotic Astrology) are also devotees and they use sidereal. Listening to both is inspiring (Vic DiCara and Bhabajeet Khalita). Still it is better to dive into Srimad Bhagavatam (the sastra).
Hare Krishna.
Your servant,
Vichal