Inion Ridge Training

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David Helfand

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Apr 12, 2021, 6:36:16 PM4/12/21
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Hello Hive Mind,

I’ve been experimenting with a few willing clients (and myself) using inion ridge training. My understanding is that it’s eyes open, alpha down right on the boney ridge. I’ve had mixed reviews of it, and honestly some variety in personal experience.

I’m wondering if there are any guiding principles that any one can recommend. Specifically, what qEEG data or clinical data would suggest someone would benefit from this protocol? I’m especially interested to know how to tell if inion ridge training would likely be more beneficial than T6 or Fpo2 for trauma.

Thanks in advance,
David


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D Corydon Hammond

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Apr 12, 2021, 8:03:04 PM4/12/21
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Attached is a paper I published on doing sequential montage training on the inion ridge.  Since I published these cases there have been 3-4 control group replications with this protocol for physical balance.  It can also help with problems with swallowing and incontinence associated with aging, TBI or stroke.  You inhibit 4-7 Hz.

 

Cory

 

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Hello Hive Mind,

 

I’ve been experimenting with a few willing clients (and myself) using inion ridge training. My understanding is that it’s eyes open, alpha down right on the boney ridge. I’ve had mixed reviews of it, and honestly some variety in personal experience.

 

I’m wondering if there are any guiding principles that any one can recommend. Specifically, what qEEG data or clinical data would suggest someone would benefit from this protocol? I’m especially interested to know how to tell if inion ridge training would likely be more beneficial than T6 or Fpo2 for trauma.

 

Thanks in advance,

David

 

 

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Dr LOREN PEDERSEN

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Apr 13, 2021, 7:18:44 AM4/13/21
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Cory,
 
Thanks so much for that paper. These are very impressive results, especially on incontinence!
 
Best,
Loren E Pedersen, PhD
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John Anderson

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Apr 13, 2021, 7:19:03 AM4/13/21
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I've used that training below O1 and O2 along the inion ridge, based on Cory Hammond's suggestion of gently uptraining 15-18 Hz for gait and balance issues.  I've had good results with that with a few clients, mostly stroke or TBI, usually following some qEEG guided training, just to get at the gait and balance issues if they didn't resolve with other training.

John

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Clair Goldberg

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Apr 13, 2021, 7:19:33 AM4/13/21
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Hi David,
Inion ridge and alpha down are two different protocols.
Alpha down is typically at PZ and through Ruth Lanius’s research had been shown to reconnect the DMN in patients with trauma history. 
Inion ridge training is at IZ and is typically training much lower frequencies, more like 5-8 and as low as 1-3.  I still use inhibits 1-6 and 22-36 at this location.  Maximum amount of training is maybe 5 minutes, usually 3-5 minutes but can be less. It can have very different effect than T6 and also FPO2.
Hope this helps.
Clair

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Robert Thatcher

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Apr 13, 2021, 7:19:40 AM4/13/21
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Cory,

     Thank you for reminding me about Margaret Ayer’s interesting 1990s findings that EEG biofeedback with electrodes below the inion or closer to the cerebellum/brainstem that resulted in improved balance and swallowing and incontinence.  I recall attending the 1995-96 ISNR conference in Marco Island, Fl and discussing her findings with her including her studies of helping comatose patients.  Steve Stockdale was elected president for the 1996-97 ISNR meeting in Aspen Colorado and her findings were remarkable and in need of further study.   Margaret Ayers was a pioneer and at that time I just listened and wondered about the possibilities  of brainstem/cerebellum biofeedback.. 

Today modern neuroscience has shown the how and why real-time scalp EEG deep sources originating  from the brainstem e.g., red nucleus and the cerebellum and sub-thalamus and thalamus etc are measured and are used in EEG biofeedback.  Margaret Ayers may hold a special place in history in this regard.

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Bob Thatcher



Clair Goldberg

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Apr 13, 2021, 8:03:15 AM4/13/21
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Thank you Bob, I wasn't aware of Mary Ayers findings, and that again moves me towards thinking of this placement not only for physical, but also emotional stability.  My early developmental trauma NFB cohort have been using inion ridge training at very low frequencies with this idea in mind and following the work of Carl Anderson on the expanded understanding of the role of the cerebellum and on the research that finds changes in blood flow in the cerebellar vermis in adults who had suffered early childhood sexaul abuse.  Our anecdotal findings suggest that this spot often has a calming effect, can lead to better access to a sense of being held and cared for, and seems to allow for a kind of processing of history that is subjectively different from other placements. I do wonder if we are also accessing the superior colliculus through this placement as we know, through Ruth Lanisus's research, that the DMN is hyperlinked to the SC in our patients with early trauma.  

Clair




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David Helfand

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Apr 13, 2021, 10:29:15 AM4/13/21
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Thank you to everyone who has weighed in on this training, and also for clarifying the training bandwidths. It appears that the use of inion ridge training is determined based on clinical symptoms rather than qEEG findings. I guess this is another great example why clinicians have to be involved in this process.

Has anyone done a pre and post Q following Iz training? Any specific findings?

I really appreciate the clarity. What a great resource this group is.

Be well,
David


On Apr 12, 2021, at 9:16 PM, Clair Goldberg <drclair...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi David,
Inion ridge and alpha down are two different protocols.
Alpha down is typically at PZ and through Ruth Lanius’s research had been shown to reconnect the DMN in patients with trauma history. 
Inion ridge training is at IZ and is typically training much lower frequencies, more like 5-8 and as low as 1-3.  I still use inhibits 1-6 and 22-36 at this location.  Maximum amount of training is maybe 5 minutes, usually 3-5 minutes but can be less. It can have very different effect than T6 and also FPO2.
Hope this helps.
Clair

On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 6:36 PM David Helfand <drhe...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Hive Mind,

I’ve been experimenting with a few willing clients (and myself) using inion ridge training. My understanding is that it’s eyes open, alpha down right on the boney ridge. I’ve had mixed reviews of it, and honestly some variety in personal experience.

I’m wondering if there are any guiding principles that any one can recommend. Specifically, what qEEG data or clinical data would suggest someone would benefit from this protocol? I’m especially interested to know how to tell if inion ridge training would likely be more beneficial than T6 or Fpo2 for trauma.

Thanks in advance,
David


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Robert Thatcher

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Apr 13, 2021, 11:08:50 AM4/13/21
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Cory, Clair, David and John et al
     Note that the 1990s field of EEG Biofeedback is less precise and quite different than the more modern 2010-2020 field of EEG Biofeedback, especially when it comes to the Cerebellum, Red Nucleus, Sub-Thalamus, Thalamus, Habenula, Nu. Accumbens and other hubs and connections between hubs that could not be imaged or directly measured in the 1990s.  For example, below are urls to You Tube Videos demonstrating direct EEG neuroimaging and EEG biofeedback of the various parts of the Cerebellum and related brain networks that is used to help people with parkinsonism and balance disorders and various cognitive disorders using 19 channel EEG and swLORETA.   We have not tested neuroimaging of the superior colliculus and other sub-cortical regions of interest but I plan to do so in the future.


For those interested, this was presented and demonstrated at the 2019 ISNR meeting in Denver and also at last years ISNR virtual conference and will be presented again at the 2021 ISNR conference.

Bob Thatcher



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