Re: [IslandRoutes] Antonio (Emmanuel) Rodrigues-Gaspar and Anna Kalama (circa 1868-1897)

[Joanne Medeiros]

Gaspar- what are the names of the two resource books for tracking Azorian immigration to Hawaii in the 1800's?

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On Apr 6, 2013, at 2:56 PM, Gaspar Rodrigues <drifte...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Aloha,

I am searching for any information regarding a Mr. Antonio Rodrigues-Gaspar aka Emmanuel who immigrated to Hawaii from Pico Island, Azores around 1860-70's. According to the 2 Portuguese resource books, he married a woman named Anna Kalama on 22 Feb 1868 in Kalihi. He is said to have been a founder of The Santo Antoni Society in Hawaii. The notes mention his death was on 13 June 1897.

I am a direct descendant of his son Antone Rodrigues (m. Mary Kahula Kahalelaau), their son was named John Kahalelaau Rodrigues (m. Harriet Townsend), their son was named John K. Rodrigues (m. Carrie Poni [Kaleponi] Hulu), who had a daughter on Moloka'i named Olivia Kaleialoha Rodrigues (m. Leroy Mollena), my maternal grandmother. 

Any information regarding this man would be much appreciated. I would like to find out where he came from on the island of Pico. 

Mahalo nui loa,

Jr.

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[eric edgar]

Joanne, 

 I found this notice in a Office of Hawaiian Affairs posting. http://www.oha.org/pdf/kwo06/0612/21.pdf

Eric Edgar

[eric edgar]

From the New bedford whaling crew site http://www.newbedford-ma.gov/Library/Whaling/Whaling.html

Crewmen: ANTONIO GASPAR Age:  Height:  Skin Color:  Hair Color:  Eye Color:  Residence:  Rank: GREENHAND  Lay: 1/400 Ship Name: CANTON  Rigging: SHIP  Port of Registry: NEW BEDFORD  Whaling Ground: ATLANTIC  Departure Date: 09/30/1850  Return Date: 04/01/1852  Remarks:

[eric edgar]

There is an Ancestry.com tree showing Antonio Rodrigues (aka Antone) Gaspar (aka Roderick), who arrived in Hawaii from San Francisco on 10 Mar 1858

 on ship "Fanny Major"

Shipping records can confirm that Fanny Major made regular trips between Honolulu and San Francisco from January 29, 1855 to October 27, 1858. Articles at the Hawaii archives shown the Fanny Major brought the first honeybees to Hawaii in 1857

It shows Minnie Ha'aha'a Lukela as his wife. That conforms to the reunion article. The rest of the tree is quite confused

[eric edgar]

Here's the Hawaii paper The Friend showing that 1858 arrival on the Fanny Major of Antonio Rodriguez

Eric Edgar

[Marily Badger]

Hi Eric,

You sent me a great link last month for the portuguese database on Genweb.  I was able to go back three generations in the Azores thanks to you!  You are so helpful.  I was researching the Joseph Perry Mendonca (my great grandfather), line.  His second wife was Marie Anehe Sylva and all 6 of her children kept the Sylva name...two of them were prominent senators and the other was a District Attorney.  So, after reading this message I clicked on the link for OHA that you included below.  There are so many articles that I see on my family, but all in Hawaiian.  Do you how I can get copies in English or translate these articles.  

You also pointed me to the Portuguese Genealogical Society who also has a lot of stories and pictures of BOTH of Joseph Perry Mendonca's wives and children...but after numerous emails and phone call, I still have nothing.  Do you have any suggestions.  I don't live in Honolulu anymore so it's hard for me to get this type of information for our family tree.  Any info you might have is greatly appreciated.  Mahalo!

Marily Sylva Badger

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[eric edgar]

Marily, 

I'm in California and don't read Hawaiian. Start a new post asking the other list members if they have any suggestions.

The Library of Congress newspaper site has many Hawaii newspapers you could search     http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/

Eric Edgar

[Marissa De Costa]

Aloha!

 My Great Great Grandmother is Mary Ann Rodrigues. she married John Duvauchelle and lived on the Island of Molokai. I'm not certain about the dates. We're having a Rodrigues-Gaspar Reunion August 30-September 02nd 2013. 

[George Nelson]

Marissa,  we have info on your ancestors and the San Antonio Society.  you can contact us at PGSH...@hotmail.com.  Portuguese Genealogical and Historical Society
 

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Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 03:14:58 -0700
From: marissa...@gmail.com
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Subject: [IslandRoutes] Re: Antonio (Emmanuel) Rodrigues-Gaspar and Anna Kalama (circa 1868-1897)

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[IslandRoutes]

You have early immigrants to Hawaii.  How much research have you done so far?  Are Edgar Knowlton's books the one you are referring to? Knowlton lists his sources for each early biography he wrote, so it might be possible to track down those records.   I understand that there are some records on the early immigrants to Hawaii that have been collected by the state archives.  

[George Nelson]

Marissa,  I have constructed a data base of 270, 000 Portuguese immigrants and their descendants to Hawaii.   We have Knowlton's original rough draft, at least 4 other revisions that he did.  each time he reduced the number of individuals covered.  we also have the 50th year anniversay of the San Antonio Society pamplet.  we also have one of our staff members who volunters at the State Archives. 
 

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Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 11:21:10 -0700
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To: island...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [IslandRoutes] Re: Antonio (Emmanuel) Rodrigues-Gaspar and Anna Kalama (circa 1868-1897)

[Michelle Sonognini]

Hello!

I am also researching this same man, Antonio Rodrigues-Gaspar.  He and Anna Kalama had a daughter named Maria Kalama Rodrigues (m. Manuel Mello Coelho) who is my husband's great, great grandmother.  I would love to hear what anyone knows about this man and his wife.  I see there have been some things posted about him already and am grateful to see it.

Gaspar, have you discovered where he is from in Pico?

I also would greatly appreciate finding more information about Anna Kalama's ancestry.

Thank you so much!  This is such a great place!

Michelle

[bevy...@gmail.com]

Hello,
Antonio Rodrigues Gaspar was my Great Great Grandfather. I was told he was a Whaler from the Island of Pico. He and his brother and five other men got
Lost from their mother ship while chasing a whale. They drifted for days and miles and ended up on the island of Molokai, then, saw Oahu in the distants and
rowed there.
According to the elders in my family, he and his brother Joseph, gave of Whaling and settled in the islands. Joseph became a mason, and learned how to
use Hawaiian herbs. Antonio went on to the gold rush in San Francisco. Went back a forth on the Bark Fanny Major.
Came home with enough gold to buy 23 acres of land in Kalihi Valley, near the Kalihi Stream.
He married his first wife Kauhai of Kapalama, Oahu, on January 23, 1860. Antonio's first child Manuel Rodrigues Gaspar, was born on December 20, 1862, in Kalihi, Oahu. Don't know what happened to GG Grandmother Kauhai, think she died because Antonio married again on August

[bevy...@gmail.com]

Sorry everyone who is reading this post on Antonio Rodrigues Gaspar, I inadvertantly press post.
As I was saying, Antonio married his second Ana/Anna Kalama on February 22, 1868. In the archives, he is listed as one, Antone Rodrick.
Their first child together is Antonio II, who was born in August of 1869. They had eight biological children between them.

His first marriage to my GG Grandmother Kauhai, he was listed in the archives, as Antone Rogers. Somehow the clerk anglicized his last name to Rogers, and
it's the American for Rodrigues.
I have been researching Antonio, Kauhau, and Ana since 2000. If you look good, you will find info on them in the State Archives in Hawaii.

One more thing about Antonio, for most of his life he was Antonio or Antone Rodrigues. He dropped the Gaspar for whatever reason.
On his land purchases, and land grants, he was Antone Rodrigures, and signed his name with an X. He could not read or write. The only time I found his full name used, was on his Will and Trust. He died on December 11, 1891of anemia. (Same year his granddaughter....my grandmother Mary was born.
I am still looking for information on his birth, he was born around 1828, in Pico, Azores. And according to my research, I found two older brothers.
If anyone, has more information on him, I hope you will be willing to share, I too will do likewise.
Aloha,
Beverly

[mamoahina]

Hi Beverly,

I was curious, did anyone trace Antonio's ancestry?  I was going to look into it for my classmate, a descendant of Antonio & Anna K. but I never was successful and she was too lazy to dig up her notes to find whatever details she had that could've been helpful.

Kalani

[bevy...@gmail.com]

Hi Kalani,
Haven't been back since 2014.
The information I posted is true and to the best of my ability. Plus, the info I got from my elders.
I do not have, any records of where he was born in Pico. I have contacted a genealogist there but, unfortunately, I didn't
have enough data on Antonio..i.e., date of birth, parents names. Sadly, she couldn't help me.
Too many churches there, and Rodrigues Gaspar is a common name believe it or not she said.
Only approximately the year he was born, which is about 1828.
He married his first wife in 1860. Had my grandfather in 1862...Manuel Rodrigues Gaspar, Sr.
I've have been researching Antonio in the State Archives, LDS church, since the year 2000.
Not much correct info online about Antonio. You Have to do the physical research in the archives.

Aloha,
Beverly

[Cheri Mello]

Beverly,

I don't think Kalani is a list member anymore.

Don't know who you hired, but it shouldn't be too difficult to find an Antonio Rodrigues Gaspar. The hard part is that sometimes the compounded surname gets dropped, so you'll see just Antonio Rodrigues or Antonio Gaspar and THAT'S pretty common. And Pico is the 3rd most populated island. So that makes it difficult.

The 1860s is rather early for Azoreans in Hawaii. Most came with the plantation wave in the 1880s onwards and those ships sailed from Sao Miguel (port of Ponta Delgada) only (and the Madeirans came from the port of Funchal).

You may have to turn to DNA testing and hope for a match to someone who was a sibling of your Antonio who stayed on Pico longer before immigrating. Some areas of Pico are matching each other like crazy with their DNA (they are all testing with Family Tree DNA).

Good luck, Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

[bevy...@gmail.com]

Thank you Cheri.
Antonio came to islands from unusal circumstances with his brother, Jose /Joseph. They were chasing a whale in their rowboat with five other men, when they became
stranded from their mother ship, and gave up chasing the whale. Five men perished, the two brother's floated for 3000 miles or so, and ended up on the shores of Molokai.
They didn't come here through the proper chanels at that time period. But, in 1849, Antonio went to San Francisco to the gold rush.
Jose, stayed on Oahu, became a Mason and learned the healing art of Hawaiian herbs.

Can't find any information about Antonio's pass, because, I don't have a full birth date or birth place other then, he is from the island of Pico.

Like Prof Edgar Knowlton told me once, sometimes, you have to be happy with what you do know and have.
Aloha!
Beverly

[Cheri Mello]

Beverly,

Many of our family stories are just that - Stories. Quite of bit of your story is implausible and was probably embellished as time went on.

You state they went 3000 miles. 3000 miles from where? I ran some facts. Hawaii is 2,390 miles from California; 3,850 miles from Japan; 4,900 miles from China; and 5,280 miles from the Philippines. 3000 miles from the Hawaii islands is from nowhere. Your story is not 3000 miles. If the story is true, someone has embellished it (my Civil War ancestor was shot 44 times and only 1 bullet hit his belt buckle. Again, it's implausible. He was probably shot at only 4 times and the story took on a life of its own after all these years). And then you have your floating part. I checked around and found a news article about a British guy who rowed across the ocean (I'm guessing the Atlantic - he's British). It took him 59 days to ROW the 3000 miles. He was stocked with food and water. If your story is true, floating would take more than 2 months. Everyone would have died because they would not have had enough food and water to survive that long. An Internet search pulled up a human can go 3 weeks without food, but only 3 days without water (yes, there have been reports of some people surviving a week or a little more without water).

So now that I've pulled up facts, what part of the story is true? Maybe just the bare bones. A few men took off after the whale and became separated from the main whaling ship. They floated for what seemed like miles (and that's how your 3000 snuck in) and wound up on Molokai. Only 2 brothers survived. Or maybe none of the story is true. Children are very naive. I was probably about 6 when I realized that when my sister had a birthday, a week later, my dad had a birthday. Then in June, I had a birthday and a week later, my mom had a birthday. So I asked my mom why. She said it was because my sister was my dad's birthday present (just a little early) and I was my mom's birthday present (just a little early). So we were birthday babies. I believed that at face value. After all, my mom said it, so it must be true. In the summer, we were playing with the little neighbor girl. Her big sister came to pick her up, because she was going home to celebrate her birthday. I asked whose birthday baby she was. The big sister looked at me like I was crazy. So I explained. She said it didn't work that way in her family. I was shocked. I though all families had kids for birthday presents. After all, my mom said so. My dad said things as well. One time, as we were driving somewhere, I asked my dad how did he know how to drive to Disneyland (I'm from southern California). He saw a billboard sign coming up. He pointed at it and said, "You see those signs? You just follow them." I believed that until I was a teenager and learned how to drive. My dad had said it. So it must be true. (Thinking back, now as an adult, my mom may have been in the middle of something and just made up an answer so I would go away and play. My dad may have been listening to a program on the radio and wanted me to be quiet in the car so he came up with me watching the signs as we drove down the freeway).

As for Antonio's passing, California has a death index. Pre-1905 can be spotty: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cabf1905/ The years 1905-2013 are on Vital Search (a subscription site): http://www.vitalsearch-ca.com/  Ancestry.com has 1940 on as well. If you don't have a subscription, check your local public library or local genealogy society.

Professor Edgar Knowlton is now deceased and may not have known about DNA testing for genealogy. Since your family story has a lot of story to it and not a whole lot to verify, you will have to turn to DNA to figure out where that line came from. As I said in my original post, Pico is starting to form pockets. For some people, we are able to tell where they came from. For others, we can't tell - not yet. But we will be able to tell as more and more people DNA test. You will want to test the person who is the oldest generation and the closest in time to the 2 men in your story. That person may be a great-aunt, a parent, or maybe it's you. Maybe you will get lucky and hit a pocket of people who have tested from a particular freguesia. Maybe you will be like the majority and have to play wait and see. Either way, you'll have to leave that story as a story and move on and the only way to do that is with science and DNA. The DNA test you want is on sale now for $69 instead of $89 (add $12.95 S&H - includes return postage for those residing in the U.S.) You can order from www.ftdna.com. After you order, join the Azores DNA Project. You can email me after ordering and I can tell you how to join a project (you may join multiple projects, such as the Polynesia DNA Project or any other project you qualify for).

Good luck! Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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