Meeting Minutes: 10/27/10
Ateeq Ahmed
Minutes:
Date: 10/27/10
- Fine-tune the list of options and pros/cons of each option
- Spent a lot more time than planned
- Br. Fareed, Br. Dia, etc. brought up some valid concerns that were captured as architectural opens below and as FAQ's
- Added a couple of more options to the list (options 5 and 6)
- Determine next steps and timelines for each option
- Option 2 (Masjid Bilal):
- Loan Process: By mid Dec. we expect to hear back in shaa Allaah from Ijara loans regarding the loan for MB
- Architectural opens:
- Number of classrooms
- Parking spots
- Square footage of prayer halls
AR Br. Riaz: To schedule meeting with architect to discuss various options and associated costs for developing the MB site (possibly next week or the week after)
- Contractor bids: Need to verify accuracy and what's included in the $2.7M bid
- Option 4 (UR):
- Environmental Study: Decided to defer to the seller and make it a contingency to save the $3K for Phase 1.
- Architect drawing: Br. Fareed offered to do initial analysis and external layout to determine first-order feasibility in terms of parking spaces, square footage, etc. Expect to have some results next week in shaa Allaah.
AR Br. Hafeez: To work with Br. Fareed to come up with the drawings
- Traffic study
- What else?
- Go over any quotes we have for the MB option (Option 2 in the "Summary of Options" email)
- Discussed bid from contractor, documented in the FAQ section, in summary:
Phase 0 - 1.8M ( 0 sqft) : Parking lot, Foundation, Utilities, Steel structure,etc.
Phase 1 - 2.3M (5000 sqft) : ISF needs only
Phase 2 - 2.7M (14000 sqft) : ISF and FCS needs
Phase 3 - 3.7M (28000 sqft) : for future needs
- Go over any quotes we have for the UR option (Option 4 in the "Summary of Options" email)
- There is a lease-to-own option for 8,000 per month for 3 years. More details will be presented next time
- Wrap-up and Q&A
- People had several Q's especially around parking, square footages, etc. that have been captured in the FAQ document.
Riaz siddique
Quick update about the class rooms in Masjid Bilal LC(Low Cost) and the parking situation: Details will be furnished by the Architect with the exact class room sizes and the occupancy details required by the city.
Summary: There is ENOUGH area and class rooms available in the Masjid Bilal LC for Crescent School. I will bring in the drawings with dimentions IA and post it on the wall in the Musallah. I remember we scrubbed this in detail during the design phase.
High level detaisl in MBLC: There is ~ 6200 sq ft exclusively provided for class rooms. The bathrooms, hall way and main entrance are separate and are not included in the 6200. That is about another 2000 sq ft.
There are 11 huge class rooms in upstairs (400 to 600 sq ft each, double the size of 1143 Sibley) and one mid size and 2 super size classes in downstairs(520 and 620 sq ft) which can be easily converted to 4 class rooms without any permit changes and much cost. The biggest class room in 1143 Sibley is about 300 sq ft., avg about 190 sq ft.
We have easily 13-15 good size class rooms in MBLC in addition to office, Staff and Library.
By the way there is no computer room mentioned in the final plans, just empty area that can be converted to class rooms easily. The architect had done that way in the original plan for expansion purposes. We also have the option to reduce the class sizes(say 300 sq ft) to put in more classes, but not needed.
Detials will be furnished soon IA.
Parking: There are 131 spaces in Masjid Bilal. Since the parking area is within the compund of Masjid Bilal we can easily park more than that by parking little closer and utilize all the available spaces which we could not do if it were a public parking. I have seen in LA and chicago Masjids. I have also talked to the Geikkeiken people one time and they are willing to let us use their parking which is half empty always.
Riaz
Moving Forward.
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Abdul Hadi G.Pasha
Assalaamualaikum WR WB,
Dear Fareed bhai,
JazakaAllahu Khairan for you help and participation in the ISF Masjid project meetings and valuable inputs.
Wondering if this Orangevale Church location that you are proposing - is that for Islamic Society of Folsom and Folsom Crescent School? Is that the Option#5 that you were talking about?
Last time when I checked, Folsom is still a great place to live, raise a family and to build a Masjid where City of Folsom has given us the permit to build it and city has very good relationship with ISF community.
If you don’t mind could you please post a “Summary of your proposal and pros and cons” so we can read through and come prepared for the next meeting.
Wassalaam
Pasha
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:06:29 -0700
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Subject: [isfmasjid:138] 6521 HAZEL AVENUE PRPERTY INFO
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Ateeq Ahmed
Option 6: Proposed by Br. Fareed. Consider buying a ready-to-occupy structure for the Masjid and School complex outside of Folsom! There is a place in Fair Oaks on Hazel/Greenback that Br. Fareed has looked at which used to be a church + school, so no issue with permits.
Pros:
- The fastest option in terms of move-in date because the permits (for church and school) are already valid.
- Large enough to serve ISF/FCS needs for a very long time (beyond 5 years from today) in shaa Allaah.
- Will serve neighboring communities of Granite Bay, Roseville, etc. and for the same reason increase affordability as well.
Cons:
- Highest cost option at present. Will require loan approval of $4M
- Will be an inconvenience for Folsom residents to have to commute for Jumuah, Taraweeh, school, etc.
- Will require a small temporary musallaa in Folsom to be operated at an additional cost
Fareed bhai's Assumption: We have outgrown the Masjid Bilal project (in terms of parking spaces and classrooms).
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Fareed Siddiqui
Fareed Siddiqui
Ateeq Ahmed
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Nadim Muhammad
The option is a great one only if we had money. In this economy, it will be hard to recover the cost which we have spent at Masjid e Bilal site so it will not be a good idea to sell the property to contribute towards option #6. As Ateeq said, option 6 is probably a Bus with a bus stop too far for majority that they may still want to use the car/cycle. I think thought is excellent but the money required and inertia to deal with will be significant.
In my view, we should seriously consider UR for current and future use as well. I think we will need a parking place with MAsjid e Bilal and UR can serve that purpose in the future.
Thanks
Nadim
Fareed Siddiqui
Nadeem, Bahi
A better place for Jumma where we don’t have to worry not finding place to park, or not worry about people parking at a neighbor’s lot, or people going back because parking was not available. A car is for a few people and a bus is for more than a few and I think our community is more than a few. Even in 2000 we were more than few, if jumma was not being prayed at Rancho and El Dorado, our rental halls would be too small.
Second issue, if we are planning to have a fulltime school, we need to have a school which is a proper school and not a metal shed converted to school which is better since it will look like a school, and is not simply a metal box with an asphalt playground for kids to play in.
Many of the parents from Folsom drive their kids to school all over the Sacramento area. For example many people from Folsom and El Dorado Hills drive their children to Churchill Middle School at 4900 Whitney Ave Carmichael, CA. Others go to Mira Loma High School which is at 4000 Edison Ave Sacramento, and also to St Francis High School which is at 5900 Elvis Avenue Sacramento. All these busses, as mentioned above have a bus stop too far for people living in Folsom? Why are they still driving to these bus stops?
I think the answer is that there are better schools and they all look like schools with better learning environments for our children.
P.S. Attached is schematic layout for your 1979 YUGO or 1960 VW Bug (UR) proposal
Fareed
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Rafi
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Sadiq Mohiuddin
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Nadim Muhammad
Now, we need to figureout how to adjust inside the shade area to meet ours and City's requirement for school and congregation. I think we have a shot at it if we work diligently. Lets see how our finances turnout and we get clear picture.
Nadim