Furaty

[Laith]

ok guys,
I did get a domain name, i also got a hosting, installed WordPress, I
found couple of Magazine Like Themes, and I am gonna start organizing
it tonight,

any of you would like to be one of the first contributes, everyone
edit their own section, you can import your own blog entries here, and
we will try to market it as a single place for free Arab point of
views, as I said all subjects will be allowed except for encouraging
violence.

www.Furaty.com I think it is an interesting Name and it was that I was
able to find not registered, and idea of slogan for that.

please let me know your thoughts

Laith

[khalid jarrar]

3asht 2eedak, and it all sounds very promising :)

 

define violence though?!

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            Khalid Jarrar
secretsinbaghdad.blogspot.com

[Laith]

thanks a lot khalid

"What is not allowed is encourging people to commit any act that may
result in harming others"

[khalid jarrar]

ummm furaty is confusing.

 

why furaty why not dijlawy?

 

why furat in particular? what does it indicate? these questions will follow us for ever and ever long after we are all dead haha :) i am having trouble thinking of it myself, let alone the poor gonna-be-confused readers.

 

maybe you can give us options? start this as a democratic process:) choosing the name of the site! how about that?:)

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            Khalid Jarrar
secretsinbaghdad.blogspot.com

[khalid jarrar]

:)

 

lets adjust that to: commit any acts that encourage hurting innocent civillians.

 

because, the first definition include prohibiting resistence, and i have to say that that wouldnt make it a free website but rather previosuly-directed one! i am one of people that support the resistence, as in using armed force in defneding one's self, family and properties, and land also. that could unfortunatly -and i mean that, not being sarcastic- harming any army that occupies my country. and that would be harming others! is that what you meant? or does my suggested adjusted definition more express what you meant? :) 

[khalid jarrar]

Also Laith, how much would this cost? registering and all? count the expenses for us please, and put me on your list of donors:)

            Khalid Jarrar
secretsinbaghdad.blogspot.com

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            Khalid Jarrar
secretsinbaghdad.blogspot.com

[Laith]

I will answer your questions one by one,

in regard to the cost, , it will cost you guys nothing, I intened to
get it up at this point on my own expensse, till it reach a point
where it will be costly , at that point when i move it to a dedicated
server, I may add advertisment to support it, I want it to be free for
all users, over the long run in case it get popular and there will be
decent adv revenue that cover the runing cost well, then will
definetly switch to profit sharing with the main contrbuters.

Furat, I think I will play dictatorship rule here only with the name,
It was very hard to find a name that is available as .com and also
memorable, and easy to write with few letters, thats why its Furaty,
and since its a river it mean a continous flood of information ;)

in regard to your argument about the resisteance, I dont think having
multiple political views about anyone have any problem, in fact that
what the website value will be, but anything that encourage a War or a
fight will not be a content that represent point of view as much as
lack of all other means, trust me the Arab world are full of places
for people to encourage fighting, this will be a Peace solution and
discussion place for all arab views, and a place for political
argument, not like the other places when all solutions are associated
with war.

I am not trying to supress views about resistance, buit I dont want
the place to be another anger management platform, I want it to be a
place for writers to share views, on politics, sports , Art , and as
many other subjects as possible.

Laith

[khalid jarrar]

i still would like to participoate in the initial costs, if possible, i dont tink its fair at all for you to pay it alone.

 

 

using armed resistance, is a political view :) and its a thought that lets say at least well represented among people, i dont want to say widely supported because that would be contrivertial for the lack of statistic evidence, but i would say its widely spread, and as long is we can keep it all in a nice respective way ( i promise :D ) i dont think you have the right to sensor that at all :) otherwise it would very much look like an americanized attempt to marginize resitence, and people that support it, and at that point the website would lose its importance in representing all sides.

 

so no anger management, but a rational argument about the belief in the use of legitimate armed resistance as a political tool to get ones stolen rights, given that that resistence to be supported must respect human lives and properties and not involve harming any innocent civillians in any way but be directed particulary against he occupier! thats a legitimate right not only granted by a lot of religions, but also in international agreements.

 

ok for the lack of other choices -unless can be kind enough to find us a name that doesnt raise questions, and is short and easy to spell and read, which would be nice if we tried to find- we could go with dictatorshio in that, but otherwise in setting policies that prohibit any political views, specially one as spread, i would have to say no to that :) we have to start this right, in the right way and on the right bases, you either not put sencership at all or i will have to suggest my idea of what shoulnt be there too as you suggester your idea of what shouldnt be there, and then i will hve to say ok no armed resistence but only if also no political views that support the occupation in any way or shape. and that would be rediculious no? then everyone else have their own demands for their red lines too. you put ideas in the field, and let them prove themselves! if anything i would say there would be no limits at all, but if you insist i would say the limits are encouragin killing innocent civillians, and the use of foul language. those are two rules that are as broad as possible, give everyone hte freedom of expression, but keeps it civilized.

[Laith]

You have very good argument, I think I need to emphasize my argument
in easer way to make it applicable,
both sides that support the resistance and that support the occupation
are allowed, no one will be against that, whats not accepted is ONLY
lines that encourage hurting any other huan being ( civilian or not )
will not be allowed. like for example if lets assume somone for the
execution of the X Defence Minster will be allowed to express the
political reasons for that but not a call for executing him.

I dont intened to censor this project at all, in fact it will be self
censored mostly, but I am more explaining the outlines that i would
want it to be clear so that writers feel comfortable sharing their
views. of course if you are going to have people who use bad words in
their writing, readers will shy away from them one way or another. the
concept will emerge over the long run as an approach for the writers
too to see how developed their approach too.

[khalid jarrar]

thanks for your patience :)

 

lets refine that!

 

still, execution is legal in Iraq for example, and in islam too, for example, both iraqi law and the official religion allow the death penelty, how would be prevent them?:) then again that would be your personal opinion effecting the website, and not a general moral rule. death penelty is an issue that can be debated for ever, you live in the states and you know that! and we seem to agree i dare say by great majority in iraq, that its a valid  punishment for particular crimes, like the crime of murder for example. so if someone demands that a certain person that is believed to have comited a crime, should be trialed and sentenced to death, that would be their legal right, you cant deny it.

 

the reason why i am gently urging the use of the term "innocent civillian" is that it sounds like a term to what we all agree, people that shouldnt be harmed. non civilian lives, like for examples soldiers of occupation armies, you cant not allow talking a bout hurting them, because...2i77im...as i said before, with great regret, that invetible, thats what an armed resistance is about, in case you havent noticed :D and is un-nice as that sounds, it really is self defence, they are illegal occupation forces, taking away the wealth and sovergnity of our country, and the lives of our men and women and children, i wish they all leave so we dont have to hurt them, but i am afraid that it seems that its the only way to let them listen and understand that we dont want an ever lasting occupation.

 

now, this political statement i just made, is a political statemtn, it is by all means, its about creating a pressure tool to assist you when you demand your rights. since its unfortunate enough that occupiers dont leave usually when you ask them nicely to do so, so anyways, this political statement that i just made, you cant prohibit, because its an opinion, and you can open it for debate, and you can provide your counter opinion. but what we cant allow, is someone saying: you should shoot the hell out of all the bastards in sadir city. or someone saying kill all these dirty sunnis in Adhamiya and Rasafa would be a cool place to live, or any other groups, because those, are calls for killing innocent civillians, or large groups of people that include innocent civillians:

 

 ie, people that are not involved in any way or shape in any kind of armed operations (excluding personal sefl defence and defending your particular properties and acquaintences) , nor facilitate in in any way or shape the work of armies or armed groups in attacking civillians.

 

and dont you go looking up that definition in the human rights books because i just made it up:P and its open for improvmentes and adjustments:)

 

i hope that i managed to make myself clear! if not then i feel that further simliray-fruitful correspondings would get us to a point where we all agree on terms that satisfies and comforts everyone by assuring providing an area of communication that allows diversity but doesnt tolerate foul language or calls similar to what examples above!

 

why is everyone so silent do you think we scared them away?:D

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            Khalid Jarrar
secretsinbaghdad.blogspot.com

[Laith]

Khalid,
Remember this is not politial only thing, and your argument is
basically about one issue.

My concept of creating this website is not to create another place for
people to shout, on the contrary, it is a place for people to get the
best of the ideas, share them and hear from people who are mainly in
the middle and not heared, this will not be only politiccs, which your
argument is all about.

in fact the only moral that is asked is simple the respect for "human
live" period, there, the death penalty in Islam or the law dose not
mean anything to the guide lines, simply it will be argued about for
and against.

things will evolve we do not need to argue about that at this point,
lets see how it will propogate, in fact the issue of human live is the
key to the success of this idea in my mind, because without it it will
be just like any other place, except for the better design and
feauture that I intened to always add.

and man cool down, I get your point , you just do not need to focus on
the extreme from the begining, in fact writing a view that respect all
sides but argue about ideas, will make appeal to many others.

[aNarki-13]

Laith: "I dont intened to censor this project at all"
i love you!
:D

can i join?

hmm.. while not censoring anything, why not ban people who only want to cause a fight, stupid posters e.g. "all iraqis/americans/sunni/shia/arabs/kurds etc etc are teh suxxorz LOLZ!" and all variations on that, and people with a personal grudge!

and please link it to Wikiraqi :)

3. Seriously Prod Buttock.

[aNarki-13]

and no i wasnt scared away, i just dont have my own internet connection :)

[AK]

Furaty is a little too....funny sounding.
Furati I think is a little more serious.
and you will be haunted by al-Furat TV.
and of course Sharbat Furat as well.

[Laith]

Ankarri thanks for your support , will link it for sure

Guys,
thanks to all, i worked last night on the changes to the websitye its
getting better every day.
the Name Furati is taken, that is the limitation here , and the one
that was available is Furaty, and trust me we will create the value in
the name , not the other way. and the problem is that we always
limited to what domain name is available.

[Laith]

Guys to join, just registered, I will give you the permission after
you get your account set up :)