[ipv6hackers] List of IPv6-only services?

[Jo Rhett]

I'm wondering if there is a handy list of IPv6-only services. Not things like ipv6.google.com which is available over v4, but things which you simply can't get to without IPv6 which are not just testing points.

The purpose is to use as justification against providers who are continuing to stall in providing IPv6 service.

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[Joe Klein]

Here are three links you might find interesting.

http://sixy.ch
http://ipv6.cybernode.com/list-of-ipv6-only-sites
www.ipv6porn.co.nz

- Ok, I could not help adding the last one ;-)

Joe Klein
scientifichooligan.me/

[Gert Doering]

Hi,

On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 05:52:51PM -0400, Joe Klein wrote:
> www.ipv6porn.co.nz
>
> - Ok, I could not help adding the last one ;-)

... which tells me "you don't have IPv6 connectivity", because it's *own*
IPv6 is broken...

(IPv6 traceroute goes via ntt.net to aarnet.net.au, and then loops between
broker1.a.syd.aarnet.net.au and 2001:388:1:5001::1)

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[Tomas Podermanski]

Hi,

the information you are looking for is available on
http://networking.vutbr.cz/live-statistics/ - link "IPv6 only sites".
There are separate lists of domains having web, mail services or name
servers reachable only via IPv6.

However if we look at he list of IPv6 only web sites
(http://networking.vutbr.cz/live-statistics/lookup/?v=web_ipv6) there no
single site the you can't live without :-).

The data is based on more than 5 mln. domains (added every day) - so
worldwide percentage of IPv6 only sites is 0.00089%.

Tomas

On 10/24/12 10:05 PM, Jo Rhett wrote:
> I'm wondering if there is a handy list of IPv6-only services. Not things like ipv6.google.com which is available over v4, but things which you simply can't get to without IPv6 which are not just testing points.
>
> The purpose is to use as justification against providers who are continuing to stall in providing IPv6 service.
>

[Andrew Yourtchenko]

On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Tomas Podermanski <tpo...@cis.vutbr.cz> wrote:

[snip]

> However if we look at he list of IPv6 only web sites
> (http://networking.vutbr.cz/live-statistics/lookup/?v=web_ipv6) there no
> single site the you can't live without :-).

does ipv6-hackers have a web archive ? If yes - might be entertaining
to have that on IPv6-only site ;-)

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[Tore Anderson]

* Jo Rhett

> I'm wondering if there is a handy list of IPv6-only services. Not
> things like ipv6.google.com which is available over v4, but things
> which you simply can't get to without IPv6 which are not just testing
> points.
>
> The purpose is to use as justification against providers who are
> continuing to stall in providing IPv6 service.

I believe Apple's Back to my Mac and Microsoft's DirectAccess products
are dependent on IPv6, although to what extent I don't know, as I've
never used them myself.

Then there's always the IPv6 killer app at http://ip6.no/index-en.html
..

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[de Brün, Markus]

> I've never used them myself.

Me neither, but Microsoft says:

"DirectAccess clients running Windows 7 or Windows Server 2008 R2
automatically create a protected and tunneled IPv6 connection to a
DirectAccess server running Windows Server 2008 R2 whenever a client
determines it is on the Internet."
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.07.cableguy.aspx

Cheers,
Markus




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Von: Tore Anderson <to...@fud.no>
Datum: Donnerstag 25 Oktober 2012, 15:03:32
An: ipv6h...@lists.si6networks.com
Kopie:
Betr.: Re: [ipv6hackers] List of IPv6-only services?

> * Jo Rhett
>
> > I'm wondering if there is a handy list of IPv6-only services. Not
> > things like ipv6.google.com which is available over v4, but things
> > which you simply can't get to without IPv6 which are not just testing
> > points.
> >
> > The purpose is to use as justification against providers who are
> > continuing to stall in providing IPv6 service.
>
> I believe Apple's Back to my Mac and Microsoft's DirectAccess products
> are dependent on IPv6, although to what extent I don't know, as I've
> never used them myself.
>
> Then there's always the IPv6 killer app at http://ip6.no/index-en.html
> ..

[Torbjörn Eklöv]

>
> I believe Apple's Back to my Mac and Microsoft's DirectAccess products
> are dependent on IPv6, although to what extent I don't know, as I've
> never used them myself.
>

Direct Access in 2008 R2 Server depends on IPv6 but in Server 2012 it don't … :(

My killer app: http://www.ipv6.tk

/Tobbe

[Karl Auer]

On Thu, 2012-10-25 at 15:03 +0200, Tore Anderson wrote:
> Then there's always the IPv6 killer app at http://ip6.no/index-en.html

Not really:

kauer@karl:~$ dig +short ipv6.no any
ns1.hyp.net. hostmaster.domeneshop.no. 1326543886 14400 1800 1209600
3600
194.63.248.47
ns2.hyp.net.
ns3.hyp.net.
ns1.hyp.net.

No IPv6 address. However, if you visit the site using IPv4 and then use
the IPv6 address literal given on the page, you can load the promised
"killer app".

The app is rather disappointing. It does load, but the initial screen
stays frozen. The application appears to be a network application of
some sort; one can see the remnants of a packet at left, but the process
seems to have stalled in the middle of a refresh cycle. The payload has
been only partially decapsulated. The packet seems very large for the
size of the payload. The background, while attractive, is boringly
static. The app does not appear to expose any interactive user
interface; one button is visible, but clicking it has no effect. Close
inspection of the partially decapsulated payload suggests that
rudimentary intrusion prevention mechanisms are present.

The two support mechanisms provided on screen are ineffective.

I rate this app zero stars.

Regards, K.

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[Karl Auer]

On Fri, 2012-10-26 at 01:33 +1100, Karl Auer wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-10-25 at 15:03 +0200, Tore Anderson wrote:
> > Then there's always the IPv6 killer app at http://ip6.no/index-en.html
> Not really:
> kauer@karl:~$ dig +short ipv6.no any

Oops! It *does* have an IPv6 address! One just has to spell the domain
name correctly :-)

kauer@karl:~$ dig +short ip6.no any
195.159.0.161
2001:840:0:1::161
dns1.powertech.no.
dns2.powertech.no.

But my comments on the "killer app" still stand.

[Fernando Gont]

On 10/25/2012 08:14 AM, Andrew Yourtchenko wrote:
>> However if we look at he list of IPv6 only web sites
>> (http://networking.vutbr.cz/live-statistics/lookup/?v=web_ipv6) there no
>> single site the you can't live without :-).
>
> does ipv6-hackers have a web archive ? If yes - might be entertaining
> to have that on IPv6-only site ;-)

We actually have *two* archives: the one provided by mailman, and on at
google-groups:

* <http://lists.si6networks.com/pipermail/ipv6hackers/>
* <http://groups.google.com/group/ipv6hackers/topics>

We have no say regarding what google does... and regarding
lists.si6networks.com, I bet if we were to go ipv6-only, we'd start
getting reports from users claiming that our site is "unreachable". :-)

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[Kevin Karp]

Hi Joe

>Here are three links you might find interesting.
>http://sixy.ch
>http://ipv6.cybernode.com/list-of-ipv6-only-sites
>www.ipv6porn.co.nz

Thanks for this list.

I've just added our IPv6 Only T-Shirt <6only.6now.net> site to both of
the first links.

Purely for scientific and research purposes, I tried to access the third
site but was unsuccessful, sadly!

Regards

Kevin

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[Antonio M. Moreiras]

I have tested some of the ipv6-only sites from the list bellow manually,
choosing by case. Some of them redirected me to an error page (not
found, 404, etc), the others were specific ipv6 test sites, with
messages regarding ipv6.

I think that real ipv6-only websites and services are not to be seen in
the short run. Who would deploy such a service, and why? Just a small,
very very small, percent of the Internet users would have access to it.

The justification against this kind of providers is already out there:
the lack of ipv4 addresses.

[]s
Moreiras.

[Sander Steffann]

Hi,

> We have no say regarding what google does... and regarding
> lists.si6networks.com, I bet if we were to go ipv6-only, we'd start
> getting reports from users claiming that our site is "unreachable". :-)

Hmmm. Maybe you can put in an A record to 94.142.242.196. And yes: that server has an artificial delay of 500ms on the ethernet interface to try to persuade Mac OS X that IPv6 is much better :-)

- Sander

[Job Snijders]

On Oct 25, 2012, at 11:55 PM, Sander Steffann <san...@steffann.nl> wrote:

> Hmmm. Maybe you can put in an A record to 94.142.242.196. And yes: that server has an artificial delay of 500ms on the ethernet interface to try to persuade Mac OS X that IPv6 is much better :-)

While you are at it… might as well patch PowerDNS to delay the serving of authoritive A records ;-)

- Job

[Kevin Karp]

Hi Moreiras

>I think that real ipv6-only websites and services are not to be seen
in the short run.

Hard to disagree. But someone has to do it.

>Who would deploy such a service,

IPv6Now is happy to do so. Please visit http://6only.6now.net!

> and why?

1. To lead - especially when no others are doing so
2. To get attention
3. To make sales to the true believers
4. To make a profit (we have to live too)
5. To show we can
6. To measure the results
7. To be truly, wonderfully geeky
8. To be exclusive
9. Just for heck of it, and
10. To have some fun!

> Just a small, very very small, percent of the Internet users would
have access to it.

A question for the list...

Is this the first fully commercial web site that is:
1. a commercial purchase web site ONLY accessible from IPv6 and...
2. selling real genuine product only available from the v6 site?

There are 2 criteria in that question. Both have to be met.

I'm interested to find out if there are any others. I'd be surprised if
we are the first.

> The justification against this kind of providers is already out
there: the lack of ipv4 addresses.

Someone has to take the lead for others to follow. We're happy to be
amongst the leaders.

Are we on our own at this stage?

Regards

Kevin

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[Antonio M. Moreiras]

It's very very cool, Kevin, and I am choosing my tshirt to buy, but it
is yet a website to promote IPv6!

What I mean is that it is not advisible to create an IPv6 only website,
when there is IPv4 addresses available, at least if your business isn't
related to IPv6 promotion.

There will be enough IPv4 addresses available for Internet services for
some time. Who is going to suffer from the lack of addresses first are
the end users (and ISPs that connect them). The websites and other
Internet exposed services have to implement dual stack, right now, not
IPv6 only. This way they can be sure that either v4 or v6 users will
reach them the best way possible.

There is a telling saying that you can motivate a rabbit to run, because
of a carrot, in two ways. You can put the carrot in front of the rabbit,
and the rabbit will chase it. Or you can put the carrot behind the
rabbit. It will become worried of where the carrot can finish in, and it
will run from it.

For now, IPv6 motivation generally fits on the second case.

[]s
Moreiras.

[Jo Rhett]

Given that the site has none of the services I've brought online over the last few years, it's not clear to me where they get their data but it's clearly not by searching for it. Google has all of my sites :)

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