Brian Howell
Jul 17, 2015, 3:01:28 PM7/17/15
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Hillary's slipping. Bernie's surging. Biden's grieving. Trump's disgusting.
Democrats view Hillary unfavorably: dishonest, indecisive, not compassionate.
Salon's answer? Draft Al Gore!
Gore has stature, is a post-politics rock-star status (won a Nobel, Emmy, and an Oscar). He's less polarizing. He opposed the Iraq war. He is not a Wall Street favorite—like Clinton. And, of course, he has had a strong position on climate change since the mid-1970s—when he held the first congressional hearings on the subject—decades before it penetrated the public consciousness.
jack saunders
Jul 17, 2015, 3:47:47 PM7/17/15
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Al Gore -- "not a Wall Street favorite." I think that's fair.
David Fetter
Jul 17, 2015, 4:05:43 PM7/17/15
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On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 12:01:28PM -0700, Brian David Howell wrote:
> Hillary's slipping.
It's pretty early.
> Bernie's surging.
What's wrong with Bernie?
> Biden's grieving.
Was Biden considering a run this time?
> Trump's disgusting.
Trump's merely capitalizing on the Southern Strategy, and no one can
call him on it because that would give away that rotten but
generationally winning election strategy game.
> Salon's answer? Draft Al Gore!
> <http://www.salon.com/2015/07/17/its_time_to_draft_al_gore_if_democrats_want_to_win_its_clear_neither_hillary_nor_sanders_is_the_way/>
This business of "drafting" people[1] to run for president makes me a
bit queasy, at least in the sense of demanding that they run a
presidential campaign, exposing themselves and their families to
literally the most intense and hostile kind of scrutiny extant.
If he really wants to run, he should run. Until we get a preference
voting system[2] of some kind for the Presidency, we're stuck with
primaries. Primaries are our best way to winnow the field, given the
situation we've got.
Cheers,
David.
[1] Drafting citizens at random to be President strikes me as more
fair, and less likely to get really pathological outcomes. Also
totally unrealistic, at least for the next few decades.
[2] Should we do a separate thread on voting systems?
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> Hillary's slipping.
It's pretty early.
> Bernie's surging.
What's wrong with Bernie?
> Biden's grieving.
Was Biden considering a run this time?
> Trump's disgusting.
Trump's merely capitalizing on the Southern Strategy, and no one can
call him on it because that would give away that rotten but
generationally winning election strategy game.
> Salon's answer? Draft Al Gore!
This business of "drafting" people[1] to run for president makes me a
bit queasy, at least in the sense of demanding that they run a
presidential campaign, exposing themselves and their families to
literally the most intense and hostile kind of scrutiny extant.
If he really wants to run, he should run. Until we get a preference
voting system[2] of some kind for the Presidency, we're stuck with
primaries. Primaries are our best way to winnow the field, given the
situation we've got.
Cheers,
David.
[1] Drafting citizens at random to be President strikes me as more
fair, and less likely to get really pathological outcomes. Also
totally unrealistic, at least for the next few decades.
[2] Should we do a separate thread on voting systems?
--
David Fetter <da...@fetter.org> http://fetter.org/
Phone: +1 415 235 3778 AIM: dfetter666 Yahoo!: dfetter
Skype: davidfetter XMPP: david....@gmail.com
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jack saunders
Jul 17, 2015, 4:21:36 PM7/17/15
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Yes, David, the Southern Strategy.
Trump has planted the flag for angry, resentful old white folks to rally around.
And the situation is devilishly difficult for any "good government" Republican to deal with.
A Huntsman type guy could come along and denounce primitive bigotry.....but that would be the end of him, as everybody knows.
Not a lot of takers for a political suicide draft.
The old C students are pissed off -- more angry than I think the political establishment yet knows.
They easily conflate gay marriage with the Tennessee shooting -- "politically correct bullshitters won't call out the dirty muslim immigrants for fear of offending the NY imams who pal around with Barack Obama."
They believe that shit -- and anybody who stands up with a calming word is -- ipso facto -- an appeaser of anti-American types, whether they be draped in burqas or rainbow flags.
They all know this from their polling, but Trump is the only one who doesn't care if his mother hears him make a fool of himself.
And that gives him great power.
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