Geolocation doesn't work on the iPod Touch with the new firmware

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FloridaBee

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Nov 14, 2009, 2:02:09 PM11/14/09
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I updated yesterday my iPod Touch firmware and for my surprise my iPod
stopped recognizing the navigator.geolocation object. Before that
geolocation worked correctly. It still works on the iPhone simulator
without any errors. Any ideas what can be the reason of that?
thanks, bee
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://
www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />
<title>Untitled Document</title>
<script type="text/javascript">
var pressMe;
function init(){
pressMe=document.getElementById("link");
if(navigator.geolocation){
navigator.geolocation.getCurrentPosition(showMap, handleError,
{maximumAge:300000});}

else{
alert("The Geolocation is not supported" );
}
}
// Get the current location
function showMap(position){
var lat= position.coords.latitude;
var long= position.coords.longitude;//pressMe.innerHTML="http://
maps.google.com/maps?q="+lat +","+long;
pressMe.href="http://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=120.20,
200,20&daddr="+lat +","+long;
}

function handleError(error){
alert(error.message);
}
</script>
</head>

<body onload="init()">
<div>
<a href="#" target="_self" id="link"> Show where I am at </a>

</div>

</body>
</html>

GeoNomad

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Nov 15, 2009, 9:36:28 AM11/15/09
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Did you check that Location Services is turned on in the General
Settings?

I am hoping with all my heart that you didn't because it would be sad
to see this feature disappear.


FloridaBee

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Nov 16, 2009, 12:15:35 AM11/16/09
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I did. It's on...

Remi Grumeau

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Do the iPod Touch has a built-in GPS ?
If not, it's clearly based on wifi hotspots localisation infos. 
If so, it needs at least two wifi hotspots to localise you ...
(afaik)

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FloridaBee

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Nov 16, 2009, 12:15:52 AM11/16/09
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I did and it's on.

On Nov 15, 8:36 am, GeoNomad <pjenni...@gmail.com> wrote:

Remi Grumeau

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hummm ... so you should test this address:
http://www.remi-grumeau.com/labs/geolocalisation-enable-test.html

Just a simple javascript test.
Here, under Chrome, it says "Geolocalisation is not available"
Under Firefox 3.5 (which has geolocalisation component), it says
"Geolocalisation is available" and should give you both lat and long


On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 06:15, FloridaBee <jchu...@aol.com> wrote:
>

FloridaBee

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Nov 17, 2009, 12:20:18 AM11/17/09
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Not available, so it's not my code. But it's weird why they would get
rid of such useful feature?
Oh by the way how do you check if the geolocation is available?
In my code I used if(navigator.geolocation){}
Do you know any other method,
thanks for help and fast answer.


On Nov 16, 12:25 pm, Remi Grumeau <remi.grum...@gmail.com> wrote:
> hummm ... so you should test this address:http://www.remi-grumeau.com/labs/geolocalisation-enable-test.html
>
> Just a simple javascript test.
> Here, under Chrome, it says "Geolocalisation is not available"
> Under Firefox 3.5 (which has geolocalisation component), it says
> "Geolocalisation is available" and should give you both lat and long
>

FloridaBee

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Nov 17, 2009, 12:38:10 AM11/17/09
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it uses WiFi.
" If so, it needs at least two wifi hotspots to localise you ..."
That's not completely true.
It needs only one WiFi to work but definitely the more WiFi's the more
accurate coordinates we will get.
Greetings,
Bee


On Nov 16, 5:23 am, Remi Grumeau <remi.grum...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Do the iPod Touch has a built-in GPS ?
> If not, it's clearly based on wifi hotspots localisation infos.
> If so, it needs at least two wifi hotspots to localise you ...
> (afaik)
>
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 06:15, FloridaBee <jchud...@aol.com> wrote:
> > I did. It's on...
>
> > On Nov 15, 8:36 am, GeoNomad <pjenni...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Did you check that Location Services is turned on in the General
> > > Settings?
>
> > > I am hoping with all my heart that you didn't because it would be sad
> > > to see this feature disappear.
>
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Remi Grumeau

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On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 06:38, FloridaBee <jchu...@aol.com> wrote:
> it uses WiFi.
> " If so, it needs at least two wifi hotspots to localise you ..."
> That's not completely true.
> It needs only one WiFi to work but definitely the more WiFi's the more
> accurate coordinates we will get.
> Greetings,
> Bee
>

humm .. didn't know that, can't remember where i read the fact that
two was needed cause only one is not enought for a good localisation.
Btw, thanks for the clarification !

>
>
> Oh by the way how do you check if the geolocation is available?
>

The following code do the job. If you do a
alert(navigator.geolocation), the first case would return an object,
the second one 'null'.
<script type="text/javascript" charset="utf-8">
if(navigator.geolocation)
alert('HTML5 geolocalisation is available');
else
alert('HTML5 geolocalisation is not available');
</script>

>
>
> On Nov 16, 5:23 am, Remi Grumeau <remi.grum...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Do the iPod Touch has a built-in GPS ?
>> If not, it's clearly based on wifi hotspots localisation infos.
>> If so, it needs at least two wifi hotspots to localise you ...
>> (afaik)
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 06:15, FloridaBee <jchud...@aol.com> wrote:
>> > I did. It's on...
>>
>> > On Nov 15, 8:36 am, GeoNomad <pjenni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > Did you check that Location Services is turned on in the General
>> > > Settings?
>>
>> > > I am hoping with all my heart that you didn't because it would be sad
>> > > to see this feature disappear.
>>
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GeoNomad

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Nov 17, 2009, 9:45:49 AM11/17/09
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I assume you have tried the full reset of the unit and/or toggling
Location Services on and off.

I say that because after running an iTunes GPS app yesterday, one of
my webapps acted as if geolocation were not available, which surprised
me. It didn't even ask. Turning Location Services off and back on
restored it.

It seems the app had taken exclusive control somehow or had done
something wrong, anyway.

karl prosser

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On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:11 AM, Remi Grumeau <remi.g...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 06:38, FloridaBee <jchu...@aol.com> wrote:
> it uses WiFi.
> " If so, it needs at least two wifi hotspots to localise you ..."
> That's not completely true.
> It needs only one WiFi to work but definitely the more WiFi's the more
> accurate coordinates we will get.
> Greetings,
> Bee
>

humm .. didn't know that, can't remember where i read the fact that
two was needed cause only one is not enought for a good localisation.
Btw, thanks for the clarification !


you might be thinking of cell tower triangulation for a quasi GPS. the geolocation on ipod when not using GPS is based soley on IP address and the public records of that IP address. So for my home comcast, its scary that my IP address shows up right at my house. Other areas in the US are that accurate but in many parts of the world the best geolocation by IP address will do is the city you are in.

Rémi Grumeau

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Nov 17, 2009, 7:23:26 PM11/17/09
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Mozilla labs integrates in Firefox 3.5 a wifi+IP+GSM (if you are using
Fennec on a mobile i assume) geolocalisation that was working pretty
nicely last time i tested it (more than 6 months)

Can't remember the name of this

Remi

Le 17 nov. 09 à 06:38, FloridaBee a écrit :

GeoNomad

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Nov 18, 2009, 9:49:39 AM11/18/09
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> its scary that my
> IP address shows up right at my house. Other areas in the US are that
> accurate but in many parts of the world the best geolocation by IP address
> will do is the city you are in.

I was also surprised by this. In Canada my iPod showed a location more
than 1,000 miles away based on a national ISP. In the US, it shows the
correct address, and puts the dot on the satellite image perfectly,
entirely based on IP.

The iPhone GPS is also more accurate in the US, perhaps incorporating
cell tower triangulation, able to accurately show me moving about on a
small deck with an accuracy of ± 3 feet. Google provides incredible
sat imagery here to view that.

Neither of these can be counted on, but they are amazing when they
happen.

Mark Tomlin

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Nov 18, 2009, 11:08:23 AM11/18/09
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I tested this link in both my browsers on my computer and the iPhone 3GS.

On the Computer in Chrome is shows Geolocalisation is not available,
in FF 3.5 is shows an in correct address, (around half a world away.)
And on the iPhone is also shows an in correct address, the same
address as FF 3.5 reports but with more digits after the decimal point
(.). Now this might be due to my phone having no service right now
outside of the WiFi spot (The same as the computer, my home's WiFi by
the way.) but on the iPhone 3GS should not the GPS location override
the one obtained from the WiFi Geo Lookup? Anyone else find this odd!
--
Thank you for your time,
Mark 'Dygear' Tomlin;

Remi Grumeau

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Nov 18, 2009, 11:18:16 AM11/18/09
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If GPS is not available (inside a bunker :) ), i think it switches to
wifi localisation datas :)

Mark Tomlin

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Nov 18, 2009, 11:47:27 AM11/18/09
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I'm in my house. Its made of wood and nails and things! With google
maps it gets a pretty good fix on my location.
This returns the same value for long and lat.

Mark Tomlin

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Nov 18, 2009, 11:48:33 AM11/18/09
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Giggles to myself slightly. No wonder:

document.write('long:'+position.coords.latitude);
document.write('<br>');
document.write('lat:'+position.coords.latitude);

FloridaBee

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Nov 18, 2009, 1:46:05 PM11/18/09
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Yes, I did it yesterday and still no luck.
thanks,
Bee

FloridaBee

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Nov 18, 2009, 1:49:16 PM11/18/09
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But it still doesn't solve the problem.
Does anybody else can try to check it on the iPod?
thanks,
bee

On Nov 18, 10:48 am, Mark Tomlin <dyg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Giggles to myself slightly. No wonder:
>
>         document.write('long:'+position.coords.latitude);
>         document.write('<br>');
>         document.write('lat:'+position.coords.latitude);
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Mark Tomlin <dyg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm in my house. Its made of wood and nails and things! With google
> > maps it gets a pretty good fix on my location.
> > This returns the same value for long and lat.
>
> > On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Remi Grumeau <remi.grum...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> If GPS is not available (inside a bunker :) ), i think it switches to
> >> wifi localisation datas :)
>
> >> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 17:08, Mark Tomlin <dyg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> I tested this link in both my browsers on my computer and the iPhone 3GS.
>
> >>> On the Computer in Chrome is shows Geolocalisation is not available,
> >>> in FF 3.5 is shows an in correct address, (around half a world away.)
> >>> And on the iPhone is also shows an in correct address, the same
> >>> address as FF 3.5 reports but with more digits after the decimal point
> >>> (.). Now this might be due to my phone having no service right now
> >>> outside of the WiFi spot (The same as the computer, my home's WiFi by
> >>> the way.) but on the iPhone 3GS should not the GPS location override
> >>> the one obtained from the WiFi Geo Lookup? Anyone else find this odd!
>
> >>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Remi Grumeau <remi.grum...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> hummm ... so you should test this address:
> >>>>http://www.remi-grumeau.com/labs/geolocalisation-enable-test.html
>
> >>>> Just a simple javascript test.
> >>>> Here, under Chrome, it says "Geolocalisation is not available"
> >>>> Under Firefox 3.5 (which has geolocalisation component), it says
> >>>> "Geolocalisation is available" and should give you both lat and long
>
> >>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 06:15, FloridaBee <jchud...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> I did and it's on.
>
> >>>>> On Nov 15, 8:36 am, GeoNomad <pjenni...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> > Did you check that Location Services is turned on in the General
> >>>>> > Settings?
>
> >>>>> > I am hoping with all my heart that you didn't because it would be sad
> >>>>> > to see this feature disappear.
>
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Remi Grumeau

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Doo !
It's now corrected, and put in an alert();

<script type="text/javascript" charset="utf-8">
function getPosition(position)
{ alert('long:'+position.coords.longitude+' |
lat:'+position.coords.latitude); }

function errorCallback()
{ alert('error'); }

if(navigator.geolocation)
{
document.write('<strong>Geolocalisation is available</strong><br>');
navigator.geolocation.getCurrentPosition(getPosition, errorCallback,
{maximumAge:600000});
} else {
document.write('<strong>Geolocalisation is not available</strong>');
}
</script>
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>
>
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Nikola

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Hello,

I've been using the navigator.geolocation.watchPosition() method for
nearly two months now and it has worked perfectly on both 2nd and 3ed
generation iPods with the latest firmware.

A few days ago, however, my iPod's Mobile Safari browser pretty much
stopped using GPS to geolocate and is instead using the IP address
which is grossly inaccurate. Basically, the first few success
callbacks return an accurate GPS location and then, for some reason,
it begins geolocating with the IP address. Again, up until a few days
ago everything was working perfectly and all the locations were very
accurate GPS coordinates.

Additionally, when I try to use the navigator.geolocation.watchPosition
() or navigator.geolocation.getCurrentPosition() methods in Firefox
3.5.5 on my Windows machine, I receive the following error in Firebug:

response.location is undefined
var newLocation = new WifiGeoPositionObject
(response.location.latitude, \n (NetworkGeolocationProvider line
232)

Any idea what has changed in the past few days or what I need to learn
in order to continue geolocating in the manner I was doing before?
Everything worked so beautifully and I'm hopeful it will again.

Thanks,
Nikola


On Nov 18, 2:13 pm, Remi Grumeau <remi.grum...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Doo !
> It's now corrected, and put in an alert();
>
> <script type="text/javascript" charset="utf-8">
> function getPosition(position)
> {       alert('long:'+position.coords.longitude+' |
> lat:'+position.coords.latitude);        }
>
> function errorCallback()
> {       alert('error'); }
>
> if(navigator.geolocation)
> {
>         document.write('<strong>Geolocalisation is available</strong><br>');
>         navigator.geolocation.getCurrentPosition(getPosition, errorCallback,
> {maximumAge:600000});} else {
>
>         document.write('<strong>Geolocalisation is not available</strong>');}
>
> </script>
>
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 17:48, Mark Tomlin <dyg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Giggles to myself slightly. No wonder:
>
> >        document.write('long:'+position.coords.latitude);
> >        document.write('<br>');
> >        document.write('lat:'+position.coords.latitude);
>
> > On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Mark Tomlin <dyg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I'm in my house. Its made of wood and nails and things! With google
> >> maps it gets a pretty good fix on my location.
> >> This returns the same value for long and lat.
>
> >> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Remi Grumeau <remi.grum...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> If GPS is not available (inside a bunker :) ), i think it switches to
> >>> wifi localisation datas :)
>
> >>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 17:08, Mark Tomlin <dyg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> I tested this link in both my browsers on my computer and the iPhone 3GS.
>
> >>>> On the Computer in Chrome is shows Geolocalisation is not available,
> >>>> in FF 3.5 is shows an in correct address, (around half a world away.)
> >>>> And on the iPhone is also shows an in correct address, the same
> >>>> address as FF 3.5 reports but with more digits after the decimal point
> >>>> (.). Now this might be due to my phone having no service right now
> >>>> outside of the WiFi spot (The same as the computer, my home's WiFi by
> >>>> the way.) but on the iPhone 3GS should not the GPS location override
> >>>> the one obtained from the WiFi Geo Lookup? Anyone else find this odd!
>
> >>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Remi Grumeau <remi.grum...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> hummm ... so you should test this address:
> >>>>>http://www.remi-grumeau.com/labs/geolocalisation-enable-test.html
>
> >>>>> Just a simple javascript test.
> >>>>> Here, under Chrome, it says "Geolocalisation is not available"
> >>>>> Under Firefox 3.5 (which has geolocalisation component), it says
> >>>>> "Geolocalisation is available" and should give you both lat and long
>
> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 06:15, FloridaBee <jchud...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> I did and it's on.
>
> >>>>>> On Nov 15, 8:36 am, GeoNomad <pjenni...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> > Did you check that Location Services is turned on in the General
> >>>>>> > Settings?
>
> >>>>>> > I am hoping with all my heart that you didn't because it would be sad
> >>>>>> > to see this feature disappear.
>
> >>>>>> --
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> >>>> --
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> >>>> Mark 'Dygear' Tomlin;
>
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GeoNomad

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Nov 19, 2009, 9:28:58 AM11/19/09
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I downloaded the latest firmware yesterday. 3.1.2 (7D11).

Geolocation worked immediately with the fresh install. The location
was the coordinates of GOOGLE in Mountain View, CA!

This morning it has correctly found me within 200 meters. Not bad for
a device with no GPS and no cell connection!

Interesting, when I first tried to use my webapp with geolocation in
it, it asked twice if it was OK to use Location Services.

I am guessing you have an error in your code. Send us a link or a copy
and we can check it if you like.

Peter

GeoNomad

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Nov 19, 2009, 9:35:22 AM11/19/09
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> A few days ago, however, my iPod's Mobile Safari browser pretty much
> stopped using GPS to geolocate and is instead using the IP address
> which is grossly inaccurate.

Ummmm. The iPod doesn't have a GPS unless you connected an external
one????

Perhaps the IP address was accurate before and now it is not.

Or maybe you mean't iPhone.

Nikola

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Nov 19, 2009, 3:34:06 PM11/19/09
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Actually, I should have said WPS...

The IP address is accurate and is displayed at the location of my WiFi
(MiFi) ISP not unlike my PC IP address.

To put it simply, I've been able to get very accurate readings using
the "navigator.geolocation.watchPosition()" method.

Now, after a number of accurate location updates, Mobile Safari begins
geo-locating with the IP address rather than WPS and displays the
iPods location as the physical location of my ISP.

Regardless of location, time or any other factor the position will not
move form the IP address location until I clear the cache, toggle
location services and refresh the page.

So, for some reason, after several 'good' updates the location is
'stuck' at the IP address location.

One would think that moving / driving around would cause the device to
update using WPS at least once or twice but it won't update at all,
even at home, where there are at least four or five WiFi signals in
range.

Again, this all started happening a few days ago... around or after
the 14th of November '09.
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