What does pine mean?
Alvin Nichter
: On 18 Mar 1996, Alvin Nichter wrote:
: > RichardTillery (rti...@198.4.75.47) wrote:
: > : I was told the reason i can,t get my e-mail could be my
: > : alloted 2 mb.are full and i should go telnet and use pine.
: > : I,m a newbee and i think i can do the telnet part,but what
: > : does pine mean? The only thing i can think of is :put in no entry:
: > : can enyone help me? Thanks
: >
: > "Pine" stands for Pine Is Not Elm. Really. (Elm is an older mail program.)
: > Pine is an e-mail program that runs on IDT's host instead of your machine.
: Not officially.
Thank you. I found the above explanation at a usually reliable location
on the 'net. It probably was someone's attempt at humor, because it is
an obvious (to me) parody of "Gnu" (Gnu is Not Unix). Pine's "help"
contains the explanation that you provide, below. Again, thanks.
: >
: > In the IOS/IDT environment, I think that Pine stands for
: > Post It, No E-mail. If you use a shell account (or telnet in) and your
: > standard mail package is Pine, rather than Elm, the shell news reader
: > (tin) won't let you do a post-and-e-mail; post works, but e-mail fails.
: Not either:
That's a joke, son. IOS/IDT's tin newsreader environment has a bug
that they are unable or unwilling to fix. It will do a post-and-e-mail
only with Elm. It's an example of blatant botanical bias.
: PINE stands for Program for Internet News and Email. It is
: from the University of Washington.
: -PP
The fact that it's from University of Washington explains the name:
around U. Wash., conifers reign supreme; the elm, of course, is deciduous.
I appreciate your correction, but I *must* comment on your .sig, below:
: /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
: < | "They spoke together, and then suddenly >
: < Peter Pan @ NYU | it seemed to Frodo that Arwen turned >___
: < | towards him, and the light of her eyes >_
: < mvs...@is.nyu.edu| fell on him from afar and pierced his heart. _>
: < | He stood still enchanted, while the sweet >_
: < Think | syllables of the elvish song fell like clear _>
: < Happy | jewels of blended word and melody." >_
: < Thoughts! | -J.R.R. Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings _>
: \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Re your net name:
"I could tell you things about Peter Pan,
or the Wizard of Oz, there's a dirty old man!"
---Tom Lehrer, "Smut"
Re J.R.R. Tolkien:
I hope that the quotation is intended as a joke. If so, it's *very* funny.
"Bored of the Rings" is full of such gooey, purple prose, replete with
cliche expressions and stylistic errors. (What, exactly, is the
sense of the word "still" in your quote? How many cliche expressions
can you find in it? How many mixed metaphors?) If you didn't intend it
as a joke, what can I say? Perhaps Hallmark has an opening for you.
---Alvin H. Nichter
Dan Ford
Pine is a simple and straightforward mail utility based on the unix
editor Pico. It evolved from an earlier mail utility called Elm, and the
acronym originally stood for Pine Is Nearly Elm. It has now changed so
much however that it now stands for Pine Is Not Elm. In-jokes are very
tiresome, but that is the truth as it was told to me.
I use Pine by necessity, since it is installed on the boss computer at
the unversity where I have this account. I set up Eudora on my pc at home
while I was traveling so my wife could email our daughter in England. I
subscribed to this newsgroup to pick up tips, and I have been aghast at
the number of postings. I find it hard to believe that a mail utility
could possibly be so bad as to require a regular volume of 70 postings
(to take today's number) *per day* as to its workings.
There's a Pine newsgroup too, but the volume is much lower and the
postings much more arcane, because the mail utility is so powerful. It
has the further advantage of having a real text editor built in. You can
download Pico for dos use as well, and I keep it on my disk; I got it as
part of a Pine package but I deleted the mail utility since I had no way
of using it from my pc. I believe it came from the University of
Washington but am not sure of this. If you are interested, and can
telnet, send me email and I will try to locate the address.
(There's no 112-page manual for Pine, either, and if there were I'm sure
it wouldn't be written in MS Word/Windows. Sheeze!)
-- Dan
Luther Welsh Jr
> [...] what does pine mean?
"Pine Is Not Elm"
--Luke
E.
> "Pine Is Not Elm"
I've also heard (from a quasi-authoritative source) that it's P<something
argh i forgot> Internet News and Email. But I like the one above better.
:)
-E
--
"Egad, Brain! It looks just like ME, only FLAT!"
--Pinky
Dan Ford
As I was told in a pine class, it originally meant Pine Is Nearly Elm
because it was derived from that mail utility. By the time I got there,
it had mutated to the point where Pine Is Not Elm.
Very likely the folks (at U Wash?) have gotten Very Serious, which happens
to the best of us, and do indeed now refer to their creation by the long
solemn name you mention. -- Dan
CarolM
someone please tell me how to do this? I am being flooded by someone
sending tons of unwanted .wav files which clog up Eudora forever and I
can't get the mail I need. The person will not stop sending them.
Peter Pan <mvs...@is.nyu.edu> wrote:
>On 18 Mar 1996, Alvin Nichter wrote:
>> RichardTillery (rti...@198.4.75.47) wrote:
>> : I was told the reason i can,t get my e-mail could be my
>> : alloted 2 mb.are full and i should go telnet and use pine.
>> : I,m a newbee and i think i can do the telnet part,but what
>> : does pine mean? The only thing i can think of is :put in no entry:
>> : can enyone help me? Thanks
>>
>> "Pine" stands for Pine Is Not Elm. Really. (Elm is an older mail program.)
>> Pine is an e-mail program that runs on IDT's host instead of your machine.
>Not officially.
>>
>> In the IOS/IDT environment, I think that Pine stands for
>> Post It, No E-mail. If you use a shell account (or telnet in) and your
>> standard mail package is Pine, rather than Elm, the shell news reader
>> (tin) won't let you do a post-and-e-mail; post works, but e-mail fails.
>Not either: PINE stands for Program for Internet News and Email. It is
>from the University of Washington.
>-PP
Dan Ford
On Sun, 14 Apr 1996, CarolM wrote:
> I need help. I was told to use Pine to intercept unwanted mail. Can
> someone please tell me how to do this? I am being flooded by someone
> sending tons of unwanted .wav files which clog up Eudora forever and I
> can't get the mail I need. The person will not stop sending them.
I am replying to the newsgroup on the theory that if you can't read your
mail, you won't see it otherwise!
If you are on a system, ask your administrator how to set up mailboxes and
to direct incoming mail to those boxes. (You would want to catch the
wavers mail and segregate it so you could delete it en masse each time you
logged on.) I had such a setup when I read several list-serve newsgroups,
so they wouldn't overwhelm my personal mail, but have since abandoned both
the system and the list-serve groups. You can surely retrieve it by
subscribing to the pine newsgroup and asking your question there.
(Pine originally meant Pine Is Nearly Elm, then Pine is Not Elm, and most
recently something elaborate & stuffy. I'm on pine. It's better than
Eudora for most purposes, but evidently it;'s not for windows.)
Good luck - Dan