Is IDT enforcing cross-post limits?
Shankar Bhattacharyya
upstream doing this? If so, when did this start?
I am no longer seeing most big 8 RFD, CFV and result announcements.
- Shankar
Shankar Bhattacharyya
the general groups (and am superseding a post which I did not
crosspost; sorry if you see this twice):
In article <71mu4h$7...@u3.farm.idt.net>,
So, am I likely to get any sort of response to this? At this point
this is a simple yes/no question, though a "yes" may involve a date as
well.
Also, if the response is "yes" I am likely to have more questions,
such as why on earth an ISP would make it hard for people to
participate in newsgroup creation discussions. The ability to
participate in newsgroup creation is a significant part of
participation on Usenet. I would be an unhappy camper if that is the
result of a deliberate choice.
That was a perfectly straightforward news-related question. It seems
perfectly reasonable as well. I would really like an answer.
It has been a while since I was on these newsgroups. Do I gather that
there are few responses from idt staff at this point?
Oh, yeah, is there a difference between ios.general and idt.general?
They both seem kind of dead compared to the ios.general of the past.
- Shankar
Steve Atkatz
Bhattacharyya) fumbled with the keyboard & wrote:
>
>Oh, yeah, is there a difference between ios.general and idt.general?
>They both seem kind of dead compared to the ios.general of the past.
>
That's because Len Rose has left idt. Since his departure news has
been going to hell in a basket. His replacement, if you can call it
that, tried answering a couple of the complaints, but since he doesn't
seem capable of fixing anything has been hiding recently.
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Shankar Bhattacharyya
eejack <eej...@webcircle.com> wrote:
>The straightforward answer, based on some test posts, is yes.
>Cross posts of greater than five are dropped into the bit bucket.
>
>It appears you are going to be unhappy.
>
>I would surmise that the amount of disk spaced saved by eliminating
>the most obvious of spam, the multi cross posted spew that seems to
>inhabit every group, was deemed worthwhile.
Well, cross-posts don't use much disk space, assuming a news spool is
set up even faintly right. It is true, of course, that most stuff
cross-posted to many groups is likely to be off-topic in most of them
but surely it is easy to fix the software so that if a post has
news.announce.newgroups in the Newsgroups header it gets spared the
bit bucket. I mean, the cross-post management stuff already reads the
Newsgroups header. Even I could fix the code and I haven't written any
C in a year or two.
>If newsgroup creation is important then I would recommend using
>something like dejanews which allows crossposting.
Perhaps but it is immoral to provide Usenet services and yet to
prevent people from participating freely in newsgroup creation. They
just don't get Usenet. The whole point of it is that you get to create
it as you go.
I suppose that an organization that provides shell accounts where you
can't run a compiler, find, procmail or perl might not get what full
access to Usenet means either.
>>That was a perfectly straightforward news-related question. It seems
>>perfectly reasonable as well. I would really like an answer.
>
>And you have one.
Thanks for the answer. I wonder when this happened. Quite recently, I
think. I remember seeing all of the posts from nan till quite
recently.
Time to find an ISP that actually provides full access to Usenet.
- Shankar
eejack
were:
>Also, if the response is "yes" I am likely to have more questions,
>such as why on earth an ISP would make it hard for people to
>participate in newsgroup creation discussions. The ability to
>participate in newsgroup creation is a significant part of
>participation on Usenet. I would be an unhappy camper if that is the
>result of a deliberate choice.
The straightforward answer, based on some test posts, is yes.
Cross posts of greater than five are dropped into the bit bucket.
It appears you are going to be unhappy.
I would surmise that the amount of disk spaced saved by eliminating
the most obvious of spam, the multi cross posted spew that seems to
inhabit every group, was deemed worthwhile.
If newsgroup creation is important then I would recommend using
something like dejanews which allows crossposting.
>
>That was a perfectly straightforward news-related question. It seems
>perfectly reasonable as well. I would really like an answer.
And you have one.
>It has been a while since I was on these newsgroups. Do I gather that
>there are few responses from idt staff at this point?
That is correct.
>Oh, yeah, is there a difference between ios.general and idt.general?
>They both seem kind of dead compared to the ios.general of the past.
>
>- Shankar
Again correct.
EEjack
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eejack
were:
>In article <36479a24...@news.idt.net>,
>eejack <eej...@webcircle.com> wrote:
>>If newsgroup creation is important then I would recommend using
>>something like dejanews which allows crossposting.
>
>Perhaps but it is immoral to provide Usenet services and yet to
>prevent people from participating freely in newsgroup creation. They
>just don't get Usenet. The whole point of it is that you get to create
>it as you go.
No it is not immoral. It is, for you, inconvienent. I have been
banging around on usenet for a little while and I have never
participated in the creation of a new group, nor can I find
any real point in it. If there isn't a place amongst the 38+ thousand
groups IDT carries, then something is amiss.
>I suppose that an organization that provides shell accounts where you
>can't run a compiler, find, procmail or perl might not get what full
>access to Usenet means either.
Why would IDT allow shell users to run that sort of stuff on thier
servers for a measly $20 a month? High risk low reward.
>Thanks for the answer. I wonder when this happened. Quite recently, I
>think. I remember seeing all of the posts from nan till quite
>recently.
Actually I remember it coming up in a discussion on ios.general
about nine months ago, though perhaps they tightened the number
of crossposts since then.
>Time to find an ISP that actually provides full access to Usenet.
>
>- Shankar
EEjack
flare
access. And BTW, there is no ping, or trace route either :-/
Of course there's been _lots_ of other stuff i could bitch about;
I'll save it for another time......
Jay
jgur...@idt.net
http://gurtznet.dyn.ml.org
On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 19:52:25 GMT, eej...@webcircle.com (eejack) wrote:
<SNIP>
eejack
>I could be wrong, but, last time I checked, it cost $30 to get telnet
>access. And BTW, there is no ping, or trace route either :-/
>Of course there's been _lots_ of other stuff i could bitch about;
>I'll save it for another time......
>
>Jay
Ooopss.
That's right - you need a premium account to get shell
access. $30 a month.
My apologies...;)