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Kim Gainer

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Apr 16, 2024, 11:26:09 AMApr 16
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Folks,

Sorry if you receive this twice. I'm not sure an earlier message went through.

Kathy Anders chaired our 4Cs business meeting and will be reporting to 4Cs. (Kathy, maybe you could post it here as well.)

I will be senior chair, and Mike Edwards will be junior chair.

First order of business: planning for next year's sponsored panel.

Call for proposals at this link: https://cccc.ncte.org/cccc/call-2025

Convention theme: "Computer Love": Extended Play, B-sides, Remix, Collaboration, and Creativity

Extended list of Area Clusters at this link: https://cccc.ncte.org/cccc/conv/clusters.

Please go to those links, and then lets get a thread started here about how our sponsored panel can fit into the conversation.

Best,

Kim


Cubbison, Laurie

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Apr 18, 2024, 1:55:31 PMApr 18
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For the sponsored session, I think a session on training data and IP in terms of the large language model would be good. In a sense, this is the next stage of the Turnitin problem.

 

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Clancy Ratliff

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Apr 18, 2024, 1:55:36 PMApr 18
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Clancy Ratliff

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Apr 18, 2024, 2:04:20 PMApr 18
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That's fine with me; I think we should include legal challenges to LLMs as well in case someone wants to do a presentation on that.




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Stedman, Kyle D

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Apr 18, 2024, 4:55:35 PMApr 18
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I love this idea, giving us a chance to add our particular expertise to this ongoing conversation (which will of course have lots of other pedagogy-centered conversations happening at the conference).

 

It’s not, though, an area I feel ready to speak to. So I’ll cheer and support from the side, as always!

 

Kyle

 

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Kim Gainer

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May 13, 2024, 11:23:43 AMMay 13
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Based on Clancy, Kyle, and Laurie's suggestions, here is a CFP for our Standing Group, cannibalized from the model Clancy shared. I'll send out the call for participants in the business meeting shortly.

Call for Proposals

Intellectual Property and “‘Computer Love’: Extended Play, B-sides, Remix, Collaboration, and Creativity”

CCCC Sponsored Panel | Intellectual Property Standing Group | April 2025 | Baltimore, MD

 

The Intellectual Property Standing Group is pleased to invite individual or panel proposals for our sponsored panel at CCCCs in Baltimore that respond to the spirit of the conference theme: “‘Computer Love’: Extended Play, B-sides, Remix, Collaboration, and Creativity.” We are interested in proposals that examine the challenges or opportunities faced by students, educators, and administrators as they navigate developments in intellectual property, especially in the context of GAI. Proposals might examine the pedagogical implications of student utilization of GAI or of faculty incorporation of GAI into course or assignment design. Proposals might also examine legal challenges to LLMs that may have implications for the nature and extent of GAI’s impact on education. These suggestions are meant to provide inspiration and not to limit proposals. We welcome individual proposals as well as complete panel proposals. 

 

Proposal submission timeline



  • Monday, May 20: Proposals due to the SG by midnight (email as Word document to kga...@radford.edu)
  • Monday, May 27. Notifications about decisions regarding proposals sent
  • Friday, May 31. CCCCs proposal deadline

 

Proposal suggestions

  • Situate panel within current scholarship about intellectual property
  • Follow 4Cs proposal guidelines regarding length of panel proposals, etc.

 

Questions? Contact one of our officers:

 


Clancy Ratliff

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May 16, 2024, 12:32:02 PMMay 16
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Hi! Has this been shared out yet? If it hasn't, we may want to adjust the timeline a little, maybe have proposals due to us on Wednesday, May 22. How does that sound?




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Gainer, Kim

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May 16, 2024, 12:36:09 PMMay 16
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Clancy,

Was there some way to share it out besides the Google group? Some sort of 4Cs platform? Sorry I didn't know that. And yes, adjusting the timeline would be fine. Even Friday, May 23, would work.

Best,

Kim
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Clancy Ratliff

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May 16, 2024, 1:38:53 PMMay 16
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Maybe Traci Gardner would be able to post it on WPA-Announcements. Thanks!




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Gainer, Kim

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May 16, 2024, 3:32:11 PMMay 16
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Laurie Cubbison is going to post it on WPA-Announcements.

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Clancy Ratliff

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May 27, 2024, 3:08:14 PMMay 27
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Has there been any interest in the sponsored panel? If not, I can probably make my idea work for it.




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Gainer, Kim

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May 27, 2024, 3:16:23 PMMay 27
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So far no proposals for the panel, just expressions of interest, so let’s build on yours. Laurie Cubbison might want to be a panelist, depending on the topic. 

For the business meeting, I plan to upload language we’ve used previously, but I do need names of people who want to participate in some capacity.  I’ll enter my name and Mike Edwards, of course, but need to hear from others. 

Kim
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Cubbison, Laurie

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May 27, 2024, 3:27:02 PMMay 27
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I’d wanted to do something with the suits over training data, but I could also do something about teaching students to use AI critically. 
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Clancy Ratliff

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May 27, 2024, 3:29:36 PMMay 27
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Oh, I can be part of the Standing Group Meeting.



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Jim Purdy

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May 27, 2024, 3:34:57 PMMay 27
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Hi, Kim,

Thank you for organizing. My topic doesn't fit with the sponsored panel this year, but I'd like to be part of the business meeting. 

Thank you,
Jim

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Gainer, Kim

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May 27, 2024, 3:38:31 PMMay 27
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Call for proposals read, “We are interested in proposals that examine the challenges or opportunities faced by students, educators, and administrators as they navigate developments in intellectual property, especially in the context of GAI. Proposals might examine the pedagogical implications of student utilization of GAI or of faculty incorporation of GAI into course or assignment design. Proposals might also examine legal challenges to LLMs that may have implications for the nature and extent of GAI’s impact on education.”

See spaces for three potential categories for panelists in that language:

pedagogical implications of student utilization
Pedagogical implications of faculty utilization
Legal challenges to LLMs
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Cubbison, Laurie

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May 27, 2024, 3:41:17 PMMay 27
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Perhaps a pedagogy round table that emphasizes the IP issues involved in AI. 
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Karen Lunsford

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May 27, 2024, 8:17:06 PMMay 27
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Hi Kim,
I am part of another formal panel (re: the Wayfinding project), but I would like to be part of the business meeting. 

Re: a discussion table. My thinking lately aligns with work in makerspaces/crafting as rhetoric. I've been informally tracking questions of copyright, AI-generated images and patterns, and creativity in online venues (websites, Facebook pages, Amazon) dedicated to embroidery.  AI images of embroidery, for example, present impossible-to-do samples of hand embroidery, yet they generate revenue in these venues because the 'embroidery' looks so amazing that the images go viral. Discussions over IP, defining real embroidery, the discouraging effect of these fake images on folks new to the craft, and so on then ensue.  As Jim and I found in our IP book, there are copyright laws and, even more importantly, there are interpretations of (presumed) copyright laws that govern interactions among crafters in these spaces. I'm interested in the policing and self-policing re: IP that members of these communities engage in. I haven't started a formal study yet, and I'm stretched very thin through next year, but I would like to discuss the topic with anyone interested.

Thank you for organizing, Karen

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Stedman, Kyle D

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May 28, 2024, 10:34:19 AMMay 28
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Hi all,

 

I’m planning to attend the business meeting, but I think that’s all for me this year.

 

But on the topic of discussion tables: with the new format (just an hour in the evening, when everyone is hungry for dinner, with business to do AND topics to discuss), I wonder how much discussion-tables-y we can really get. I almost wonder if something more like a series of whole-group discussion topics makes more sense—perhaps with people volunteering to lead 5-minute conversations on a topic, giving us an update on things we ought to know and inviting discussion.

 

Perhaps in practice that’s the same thing as how it’ll really turn out in reality, but it seems worthwhile to say so now, just so we’re on the same page?

 

Good stuff,

 

Kyle

 

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Hi Kim,

Gainer, Kim

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May 28, 2024, 11:38:38 AMMay 28
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I think you are right, Kyle. Brief updates/conversations on key topics, with the whole group, would work best. Unless we recruit a lot of people to attend the business meeting, we won't have enough people for separate tables anyway.

Kim

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