SE440BX-2 & Coppermine ?

[Yves Lamony]

I have a NEC computer that I bought equiped with a SE440BX-2 motherboard and a PIII-500 CPU one year ago (in July). About two monthes ago I decided to upgrade it with a PIII-800E processor. It was working perfectly until I updated the BIOS two days ago. My former BIOS version used to be 4S4EB2X0.86.A.0017.P10 that I updated for version 4S4EB2X0.86A.0023.P16. After rebooting my computer, I've been given the message : "Intel Pentium III processor 800 MHz detected. Warning : This motherboard is not compatible with this processor's voltage requirements. The system has been halted. Either upgrade the motherboard or install a non-E or non-EB designated Intel Pentium III processor 600 MHz or slower". I know that PIII-500 voltage is 2v and PIII-800E is 1.65v. But my system was working perfectly (probably the motherboard is a SE440BX-2v) until two days ago. It's now halted. So what's the deal ?

[Edward J. Neth]

Your system may have been running OK, but the CPU was being
supplied with an overvoltage that would eventually have destroyed it.
The BIOS update is designed with a lock that prevents unsupported
CPUs from running.

Bottom line: to run the CPU you purchased, you need to replace
the board. The SE440BX-2V is a drop-in replacement that
does support the Coppermine processors.

"Yves Lamony" <yves....@caramail.com> wrote in message
news:ee9bd...@WebX.9CDEEn2n...

[Hans Hansen]

Hi Yves,

You have two issues here. First you probably have an OEM version of the
SE440BX-2. Find and post the AA# for your motherboard. The AA# is located
on the component side of the motherboard on a plastic strip that has a bar
code on it. The RETAIL versions of the SE440BX-2 that support the new P-III
Coppermines can be found here:
http://support.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/se440bx2/procsupp.htm

Second the P16 BIOS is smart enough to determine that your SE440BX-2
is NOT one of the ones that can support the new P-III Coppermine's
lower Vcore Voltage... thus the message.

Intel tech support can tell you if your SE440BX-2 is in fact an OEM
version from the AA#. If you do have an OEM motherboard you'll need
to seek all future support from NEC.

Hans

[Guillermo Lovato]

Don't yoiu dare to change the mobo!!!!!!. you are one of the lucky users to have discovered the benefits(save 150 bucks...) of the "BX-2 Cheat-Mode".
The cheat mode lets you run EVERY processor in ANY of the BX-2 boards.
To enable the Cheat, simply flash any BIOS between P10 and P13, any BIOS beyond will give you the *false* processor voltage not supported.
And, as you can see, the cheat mode doesn't damage your CPU(proof is that you've been running your CPU just fine for a year and after that for 2 months).

****to Hans****: I know that you will wurely ask about my AA#, or to check the support web page, or you will tell that the cpu is operating overvolted, bla bla bla. I have proved you in the last 2 months that all of that is lie. so, check the REAL FACTS before saying that the mobo(old BX-2) doesn't support the cumines, when it supports(proved is a 850E P3) theoretically up to 1GHz(to be checked)

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Guillermo G. Lovato
Network&Hardware Administrator
LAN Gamers Org.
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Yves Lamony <yves....@caramail.com> escribió en el mensaje de noticias ee9bd...@WebX.9CDEEn2n...

[Sam Dellit]

G'day Guillermo

Are you saying that the non-V SE440BX2 mobos support the correct CPU
voltage for the coppermine pee3s? or just that the older bios does not
detect
the incompatibility? i suspect the latter, but please confirm.

I dont think anyone would ever select an intel mobo for performance, their
fine points are reliability and comprehensive documentation and a great
support network for when an incompatibility does arise. I would not want to
risk putting an
overvoltage on a cu-mine, an A$600 part (at least) under any circumstances

I love to read about overclocking, but mainly to see how far beyond specs
componenets can be stressed by others. The greater the successful
overclocking the greater the safety margin of reliability i know i have
in my systems.

have a nice day

Sam Dellit

"Guillermo Lovato" <g_lo...@usa.net> wrote in message
news:ee9b...@WebX.9CDEEn2n...

[Hans Hansen]

Does this mean that you are personally guaranteeing ALL SE440BX-2
users that if they use P-III Coppermines in their old motherboards,
that Intel has determined are NOT capable of supporting the P-III
Coppermines, YOU PERSONALLY will replace their motherboards and
or processors when they are destroyed? Are you willing to post
... say a ONE MILLION DOLLAR BOND in order to make good on your
support advice?

Intel stands behind their products with a great warranty and Tech
Support. They can do this because when their products are used
as SPECIFIED they are VERY reliable. And when there is a problem
as with the i820 with the MTH Intel is still there to fix the
problem.

Hans

Guillermo Lovato wrote:
>
> Don't yoiu dare to change the mobo!!!!!!. you are one of the lucky users to have discovered the benefits(save 150 bucks...) of the "BX-2 Cheat-Mode".

[Guillermo Lovato]

[Guillermo Lovato]

Sam, i say that the older bios don't detect the incmpatibility and that the non-V mobos do support the cumines.
As i've researched, the regulators for Vcore deliver 1.65v, but they might not suppor the current consumption, that means that the VR might overheat and shutdown the core or they might not(due to safety margins in design).
Of course, the risk is you to take it, so far, i haven't seen a single soul saying that the "cheat-mode" destroyed their CPU/mobo, nor hang ups, oheat, anything.
if one of these situations arise(i encourage to please post here so i can read it), which might be possible(the chance is very small, it becomes greater when you put faster CPUs). Then, the user must go with the "legit" option and switch to the BX-2V mobo before any damage appears

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Guillermo G. Lovato
Network&Hardware Administrator
LAN Gamers Org.
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Sam Dellit <c...@onthenet.com.au> escribió en el mensaje de noticias ee9b...@WebX.9CDEEn2n...

> G'day Guillermo
>
> Are you saying that the non-V SE440BX2 mobos support the correct CPU
> voltage for the coppermine pee3s? or just that the older bios does not
> detect
> the incompatibility? i suspect the latter, but please confirm.
>
> I dont think anyone would ever select an intel mobo for performance, their
> fine points are reliability and comprehensive documentation and a great
> support network for when an incompatibility does arise. I would not want to
> risk putting an
> overvoltage on a cu-mine, an A$600 part (at least) under any circumstances
>
> I love to read about overclocking, but mainly to see how far beyond specs
> componenets can be stressed by others. The greater the successful
> overclocking the greater the safety margin of reliability i know i have
> in my systems.
>
> have a nice day
>
> Sam Dellit
>
> "Guillermo Lovato" <g_lo...@usa.net> wrote in message
> news:ee9b...@WebX.9CDEEn2n...

[Guillermo Lovato]

Hans, its good for you to point me that, i've missed clarifying that in my older posts, as with overclocking, there will always be a risk.
I can't guarantee that the100% of the "cheat-mode" users will have a flawless working system. I can only give you the facts i observed in several systems, as well as advice you in which solution is better. The choice is up to the user, if the user doesn't have a techincal backround or expertice, then i encourage you to skip my observations and buy a new BX-2V, if you are willing to take the risk, then, i can advice you on how to proceed.
as in any overclcoking/tweaking web site: "I won't take responsability for any damaged of malfunctioning parts that may be damaged due to following these instructions, the chance is very small(1% at most) and rises as you put faster cpus(i guess a 3% for 850E cpu is the top).
I don't intend to rant Intel, i'm sure Intel had a good reason to make the older boards not Cumine friendly(i stated the reasons in the above post). But i must offer the users with expertise(tweaker, oclockers, power users, etc) an alternative in case they don't(or can't) change the BX-2 with the BX-2V(150 bucks is a good reason, that was my case)

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Guillermo G. Lovato
Network&Hardware Administrator
LAN Gamers Org.
------------------------------------------------------------

Hans Hansen <"Hans399-=Die Spammers=-"@ynn.com> escribió en el mensaje de noticias 39A8B2E0...@ynn.com...

> Does this mean that you are personally guaranteeing ALL SE440BX-2
> users that if they use P-III Coppermines in their old motherboards,
> that Intel has determined are NOT capable of supporting the P-III
> Coppermines, YOU PERSONALLY will replace their motherboards and
> or processors when they are destroyed? Are you willing to post
> ... say a ONE MILLION DOLLAR BOND in order to make good on your
> support advice?
>
> Intel stands behind their products with a great warranty and Tech
> Support. They can do this because when their products are used
> as SPECIFIED they are VERY reliable. And when there is a problem
> as with the i820 with the MTH Intel is still there to fix the
> problem.
>
> Hans
>
>
>
> Guillermo Lovato wrote:
> >

> > Don't yoiu dare to change the mobo!!!!!!. you are one of the lucky users to have discovered the benefits(save 150 bucks...) of the "BX-2 Cheat-Mode".

> > The cheat mode lets you run EVERY processor in ANY of the BX-2 boards.
> > To enable the Cheat, simply flash any BIOS between P10 and P13, any BIOS beyond will give you the *false* processor voltage not supported.
> > And, as you can see, the cheat mode doesn't damage your CPU(proof is that you've been running your CPU just fine for a year and after that for 2 months).
> >
> > ****to Hans****: I know that you will wurely ask about my AA#, or to check the support web page, or you will tell that the cpu is operating overvolted, bla bla bla. I have proved you in the last 2 months that all of that is lie. so, check the REAL FACTS before saying that the mobo(old BX-2) doesn't support the cumines, when it supports(proved is a 850E P3) theoretically up to 1GHz(to be checked)
> >

> > --
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > Guillermo G. Lovato
> > Network&Hardware Administrator
> > LAN Gamers Org.
> > ------------------------------------------------------------

[jtdoom]

Well, there was this guy who had a 2CV (a French built 2-Horsepower car with 600cc engine, notorious in it's time) and fitted a maseratti engine in it.
I seen it before it clambered up a tree.
Point is, the chassis wasnt made for it.

Jaak

[Guillermo Lovato]

there is no parallel between that interesting tale and the cheat mode

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Guillermo G. Lovato
Network&Hardware Administrator
LAN Gamers Org.
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jtdoom <jtd...@pandora.be> escribió en el mensaje de noticias ee9b...@WebX.9CDEEn2n...

[Guillermo Lovato]

Sam, i say that the older bios don't detect the incmpatibility and that the non-V mobos do support the cumines.
As i've researched, the regulators for Vcore deliver 1.65v, but they might not suppor the current consumption, that means that the VR might overheat and shutdown the core or they might not(due to safety margins in design).
Of course, the risk is you to take it, so far, i haven't seen a single soul saying that the "cheat-mode" destroyed their CPU/mobo, nor hang ups, oheat, anything.
if one of these situations arise(i encourage to please post here so i can read it), which might be possible(the chance is very small, it becomes greater when you put faster CPUs). Then, the user must go with the "legit" option and switch to the BX-2V mobo before any damage appears

--

------------------------------------------------------------
Guillermo G. Lovato
Network&Hardware Administrator
LAN Gamers Org.
------------------------------------------------------------

Sam Dellit <c...@onthenet.com.au> escribió en el mensaje de noticias ee9b...@WebX.9CDEEn2n...
> G'day Guillermo
>
> Are you saying that the non-V SE440BX2 mobos support the correct CPU
> voltage for the coppermine pee3s? or just that the older bios does not
> detect
> the incompatibility? i suspect the latter, but please confirm.
>
> I dont think anyone would ever select an intel mobo for performance, their
> fine points are reliability and comprehensive documentation and a great
> support network for when an incompatibility does arise. I would not want to
> risk putting an
> overvoltage on a cu-mine, an A$600 part (at least) under any circumstances
>
> I love to read about overclocking, but mainly to see how far beyond specs
> componenets can be stressed by others. The greater the successful
> overclocking the greater the safety margin of reliability i know i have
> in my systems.
>
> have a nice day
>
> Sam Dellit
>
> "Guillermo Lovato" <g_lo...@usa.net> wrote in message
> news:ee9b...@WebX.9CDEEn2n...

[Guillermo Lovato]

Hans, its good for you to point me that, i've missed clarifying that in my older posts, as with overclocking, there will always be a risk.
I can't guarantee that the100% of the "cheat-mode" users will have a flawless working system. I can only give you the facts i observed in several systems, as well as advice you in which solution is better. The choice is up to the user, if the user doesn't have a techincal backround or expertice, then i encourage you to skip my observations and buy a new BX-2V, if you are willing to take the risk, then, i can advice you on how to proceed.
as in any overclcoking/tweaking web site: "I won't take responsability for any damaged of malfunctioning parts that may be damaged due to following these instructions, the chance is very small(1% at most) and rises as you put faster cpus(i guess a 3% for 850E cpu is the top).
I don't intend to rant Intel, i'm sure Intel had a good reason to make the older boards not Cumine friendly(i stated the reasons in the above post). But i must offer the users with expertise(tweaker, oclockers, power users, etc) an alternative in case they don't(or can't) change the BX-2 with the BX-2V(150 bucks is a good reason, that was my case)

--

------------------------------------------------------------
Guillermo G. Lovato
Network&Hardware Administrator
LAN Gamers Org.
------------------------------------------------------------

Hans Hansen <"Hans399-=Die Spammers=-"@ynn.com> escribió en el mensaje de noticias 39A8B2E0...@ynn.com...
> Does this mean that you are personally guaranteeing ALL SE440BX-2
> users that if they use P-III Coppermines in their old motherboards,
> that Intel has determined are NOT capable of supporting the P-III
> Coppermines, YOU PERSONALLY will replace their motherboards and
> or processors when they are destroyed? Are you willing to post
> ... say a ONE MILLION DOLLAR BOND in order to make good on your
> support advice?
>
> Intel stands behind their products with a great warranty and Tech
> Support. They can do this because when their products are used
> as SPECIFIED they are VERY reliable. And when there is a problem
> as with the i820 with the MTH Intel is still there to fix the
> problem.
>
> Hans
>
>
>
> Guillermo Lovato wrote:
> >

> > Don't yoiu dare to change the mobo!!!!!!. you are one of the lucky users to have discovered the benefits(save 150 bucks...) of the "BX-2 Cheat-Mode".

> > The cheat mode lets you run EVERY processor in ANY of the BX-2 boards.
> > To enable the Cheat, simply flash any BIOS between P10 and P13, any BIOS beyond will give you the *false* processor voltage not supported.
> > And, as you can see, the cheat mode doesn't damage your CPU(proof is that you've been running your CPU just fine for a year and after that for 2 months).
> >
> > ****to Hans****: I know that you will wurely ask about my AA#, or to check the support web page, or you will tell that the cpu is operating overvolted, bla bla bla. I have proved you in the last 2 months that all of that is lie. so, check the REAL FACTS before saying that the mobo(old BX-2) doesn't support the cumines, when it supports(proved is a 850E P3) theoretically up to 1GHz(to be checked)
> >

> > --
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > Guillermo G. Lovato
> > Network&Hardware Administrator
> > LAN Gamers Org.
> > ------------------------------------------------------------

[Hans Hansen]

GGGEEEEEZZZZZZUUUUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

Please refrain from this MIS-advice! You're really going off the deep
end here... "Lets you run EVERY processor in ANY of the BX-2 boards."
Are you now telling these guys that the P-IIIs with 133MHz FSB speeds
will operate CORRECTLY in the SE440BX-2?

Your "BX-2 Cheat mode" advice does NOT belong in this forum! Intel has
established guidelines that when incorporated give the user of Intel
motherboards the best chance of building a very stable and RELIABLE system.

When you post in this forum you take a responsibility of being as supportive
and CORRECT as possible.

There are plenty of other NON OFFICIAL outlets for your "Cheat MODE" type
of support.

You have a lot to offer here but please respect the limits of the motherboards
that Intel has posted.