Fake PII 300MHz or real?
Leon
Hi,
I am really confused here. At first, I read that PII 300MHz CPUs were all being built with ECC so the test program from c't website will give an accurate result of whether the PII 300MHz is a fake or real one. However, I read from somewhere else saying that a small quantity of PII 300MHz CPUs were not built with ECC and the test would not come out right after all. I just bought my system a few months ago and I really want to know if there is a certain way to tell whether my PII 300MHz CPU is a real one. I already ran the test program from the c't website and I got the following result:
CPUID : GenuineIntel, Typ=0, Family=6, Model=3, Step=4
Processor Core : Pentium II, Klamath
L1 Data Cache : 16 KB, 4 way associative
L1 Code Cache : 16 KB, 4 way associative
L2 Cache: : 512 KB, 4 way associative
L2 Cacheable Area : 512 MByte
L2 ECC : not present and not enabled
Actual clock rate : 299.9 MHz
System clock rate : default: 66.6 MHz, measured:66.7 MHz
Ratio (cpu/syst) : 4.5
ctP2info has detected : Pentium II 299.9 MHz without ECC
Attention, as stated in the Intel Pentium II Specification Upgrade #243337
there is no 300 MHz Pentium II without ECC, therefore:
processor is overclocked and if marked as a 300 MHz type
it is possibly a fake.
Please notify c't via internet: http://www.heise.de/ct/ctp2poll
L2 Controller : ID:00, Step:01, Type:BSRAM
L2 Manufacturer : ID:09 = Intel
L2 Cache Size : 512 KByte, 1 bank
L2 Latency Mode : 00
L2 Latency : 0
In Order Queue Depth : 8
MTRR0:00000000..03FFFFFF: WB 0 MB .. 64 MB FC000000
MTRR1:FD000000..FD7FFFFF: WC 4048 MB .. 4056 MB FF800000
From the above result, it seems like saying that I got a fake PII 300MHz and without ECC. But, I saw the ECC/non-ECC option in the BIOS setup. Is this means that the BIOS setup is an independent thing from the CPU? In addition, I opened up my system and I saw some information printed on the CPU:
80522PX300512E SL2HA
77470407-321 A4
Will someone please tell whether I have the genuine PII 300MHz?
Also, I read from some post message saying that they were changing the clock so that a genuine PII 300MHz will have about 338MHz and a fake one will have only about 299.9MHz. Would anyone please show me how to set the clock setting?
I really appreciate if anyone can help me out with the above questions.
Thanks in advance!
Leon.
Leon...@hotmail.com
Megabrain
Leon wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am really confused here. At first, I read that PII 300MHz CPUs
> 77470407-321 A4
> Will someone please tell whether I have the genuine PII 300MHz?
>
> I really appreciate if anyone can help me out with the above questions.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Leon.
> Leon...@hotmail.com
http://developer.intel.com/design/pentiumII/qit/database/SL2HA.htm
Accordin ta them thar speckifatations it be like ECC and 512K L2
300 Megs of them Hurts.
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You may want to review the remarked processors special reports on
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Leon wrote in message ...
>Hi,
>
>80522PX300512E SL2HA
>77470407-321 A4
>Will someone please tell whether I have the genuine PII 300MHz?
>
> Also, I read from some post message saying that they were changing the
clock so that a genuine PII 300MHz will have about 338MHz and a fake one
will have only about 299.9MHz. Would anyone please show me how to set the
clock setting?
>
Iceberg
It's fake
Bob Lionel
After going through the same thing I called Intel. They told me that it was
99.99% likely the processor was remarked and overclocked. I took mine back
and after going throught 2 other processors, finally got one that was
genuine. My vendor was really upset because he thought he was getting all
genuine 300's too. I have a friend who also had a fake 300. Its alot more
widespread than you'd think.
Bob Lionel
Tim
Leon wrote:
>
> Hi,
<snip>
> ctP2info has detected : Pentium II 299.9 MHz without ECC
> From the above result, it seems like saying that I got a fake PII 300MHz and without ECC. But, I saw the ECC/non-ECC option in the BIOS setup. Is this means that the BIOS setup is an independent thing from the CPU? In addition, I opened up my system and I saw some information printed on the CPU:
> 80522PX300512E SL2HA
> 77470407-321 A4
> Will someone please tell whether I have the genuine PII 300MHz?
>
> Also, I read from some post message saying that they were changing the clock so that a genuine PII 300MHz will have about 338MHz and a fake one will have only about 299.9MHz. Would anyone please show me how to set the clock setting?
>
> I really appreciate if anyone can help me out with the above questions.
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Leon.
> Leon...@hotmail.com
Hello Leon,
Thank you for providing complete details about the problem you are
reporting, I appreciate that.
No 300MHz Pentium(R) II processors were sold without ECC cache. Intel
engineers checked C'T's test utility, and found that it does
correctly test for the presence of ECC support in L2 cache. If you
run the test and it says your "300MHz" processor does not have ECC,
then there is a good chance that you have an overclocked or remarked
processor.
I recommend that you return that part to your place of purchase.
We would like to know the name, address, and phone number of the
vendor who sold you that processor. If you're interested in providing
that information, that can be sent as a reply to this message, or to
the sup...@mailbox.intel.com email address.
Thanks and regards,
Tim
Intel Internet Support
*All other brands and names are property of their respective owners.
Dat Luong
Dear Tim,
I need your help in confirming my 300MHz pentium II
processor is real or not. The markings on the processor
are as follow: 80522PX300512 SL28D
90360048275
Philippines
I've double checked the numbers because I could not find SL28D
on intels list. Also not present were the letters EC.
I've also ran a program I think you suggested and it came out
as: Family 6
Model 3
Stepping 4
No ECC detected
The computer would not boot most of the times the Bios was
setup to 300MHz and when it did boot up, it would be clocked
at 133MHz. Also I can not enable the ECC in the Bios.
Since I've read some forums here, I set the system to 266MHz
and it runs fine, absolutely no problems.
I know your time is important, but if you could please reply
to me here and/or at my email address, I would greatly
appreciate your help. Thank You
Dat Luong
dluo...@odu.edu
Chris...@cdsi.com
Leon,
This is a widespead problem as people are slowly finding out. The biggest
problem with the ECC issue is that if ECC is enabled on the bios, and the CPU
doesn't have ECC, it can cause the system to generally unstable. If ECC is
disabled in the BIOS it should run OK. I am running a ABIT BX6 which has the
option to enable or disable the ECC on the CPU. Some motherboards
automatically enable ECC in bios when the CPU options are set for 300 hence
the possible stability problems. Note that even if the ECC is diabled on the
BIOS ctP2info will still detect whether or not the CPU has ECC on it or not
(for most motherboards).
It would be honest if vendors would market the Pentiums as follows...
1. Pentium 300 boxed $ 390
2. Pentium 300 w/ECC geniune (OEM) $ 350
3. Pentium 266 w/ECC not clocked locked $ 290
4. Pentium 266 not clocked locked $ 270
5. Pentium 266 standard $ 240
6. Pentium 233 w/ECC not clocked locked $ 250
7. Pentium 233 not clocked locked $ 230
8. Pentium 233 $ 200
Think consumers would be confused ;)
The main problem is that people are paying for #2 but actually recieving #7
or, if their lucky #3. Unfortuanately their's almost no why to tell if your
recieving #3 or #6 -and that's the rub.
-Chris
>
> Hi,
>
> I am really confused here. At first, I read that PII 300MHz CPUs were
all being built with ECC so the test program from c't website will give an
accurate result of whether the PII 300MHz is a fake or real one. However, I
read from somewhere else saying that a small quantity of PII 300MHz CPUs were
not built with ECC and the test would not come out right after all. I just
bought my system a few months ago and I really want to know if there is a
certain way to tell whether my PII 300MHz CPU is a real one. I already ran
the test program from the c't website and I got the following result:
> CPUID : GenuineIntel, Typ=0, Family=6, Model=3, Step=4
> Processor Core : Pentium II, Klamath
> L1 Data Cache : 16 KB, 4 way associative
> L1 Code Cache : 16 KB, 4 way associative
> L2 Cache: : 512 KB, 4 way associative
> L2 Cacheable Area : 512 MByte
> L2 ECC : not present and not enabled
> Actual clock rate : 299.9 MHz
> System clock rate : default: 66.6 MHz, measured:66.7 MHz
> Ratio (cpu/syst) : 4.5
>
> ctP2info has detected : Pentium II 299.9 MHz without ECC
>
> Attention, as stated in the Intel Pentium II Specification Upgrade #243337
> there is no 300 MHz Pentium II without ECC, therefore:
> processor is overclocked and if marked as a 300 MHz type
> it is possibly a fake.
>
> Please notify c't via internet: http://www.heise.de/ct/ctp2poll
> L2 Controller : ID:00, Step:01, Type:BSRAM
> L2 Manufacturer : ID:09 = Intel
> L2 Cache Size : 512 KByte, 1 bank
> L2 Latency Mode : 00
> L2 Latency : 0
> In Order Queue Depth : 8
> MTRR0:00000000..03FFFFFF: WB 0 MB .. 64 MB FC000000
> MTRR1:FD000000..FD7FFFFF: WC 4048 MB .. 4056 MB FF800000
>
> From the above result, it seems like saying that I got a fake PII 300MHz
and without ECC. But, I saw the ECC/non-ECC option in the BIOS setup. Is
this means that the BIOS setup is an independent thing from the CPU? In
addition, I opened up my system and I saw some information printed on the
CPU:
> 80522PX300512E SL2HA
> 77470407-321 A4
> Will someone please tell whether I have the genuine PII 300MHz?
>
> Also, I read from some post message saying that they were changing the
clock so that a genuine PII 300MHz will have about 338MHz and a fake one will
have only about 299.9MHz. Would anyone please show me how to set the clock
setting?
>
> I really appreciate if anyone can help me out with the above questions.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Leon.
> Leon...@hotmail.com
>
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__________________________________________________
Hello,
All 300MHz Pentium(R) II processors have ECC support in the L2 cache.
Based on the fact that your processor does not have ECC cache, there
is a good chance that is a remarked or overclocked processor.
Additionally, the part numbers that you have supplied do not appear
to be valid. This is a strong indication that your processor may have
been remarked. I recommend that you contact your place of purchase to
speak to them about that part.
We would be interested in knowing the name and the address of the
vendor who sold you that processor. If you would be willing to
provide the name of the business that sold you that part, that would
be appreciated. You can send that info as a reply to this message or
as an email sent to sup...@mailbox.intel.com
With the markings you have reported, and the lack of ECC cache, I
recommend that you take that processor back to your place of purchase.
I hope that helps.
Regards,
Duke Ionescu
Chris...@cdsi.com wrote in message <6m8pq8$lb2$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>It would be honest if vendors would market the Pentiums as follows...
>
>4. Pentium 266 not clocked locked $ 270
>5. Pentium 266 standard $ 240
>6. Pentium 233 w/ECC not clocked locked $ 250
>7. Pentium 233 not clocked locked $ 230
>8. Pentium 233 $ 200
Chris - are you aware of vendors that sell not clocked locked versions of
the 233? Please share, as I would like one :)