How to identify real or fake Pentium II CPU.
Lin
Since we have start worked on Intel's CPU for more than 2years,we have found
out that Pentium II-233, -266 and-300's CPU chips were all the same. The difference of
Pentium II-233. -266 and-300 are layout on PCB and laser print outside of
the plastic cover. If you wants to identify if your PII is real or fake, then this
will be easy way for you. Open the plastic cover, then you will see the PII-233's number on
PC board will be PB-677299-001. PII-300's number on PC board will be PB-666701-001. In the other
hand, you may check Date code serial number on side of the PCB. This number should
be the same as the outside plastic cover laser Date code serial number. This will
make sure that your PII was real. By the way, I suggest not trying to open
PII CPU's cover by screwdriver. Intel has made some kind the protection. We do have
special tool to open plastic cover in ten second. If you need help, please wait for
next announcement.
Here is another secret from Intel. We have remove PII-233, PII-300's CPU chip from PCB and switch
them around. Then, we replaced -233 CPU chip on -300 PCB and -300 CPU chip on -233 PCB.
We found out that the -300 PCB can run 300MHz with -233 CPU chip and -233 PCB
can only run 233MHz with -300 CPU chip. We have tested this by burn-in 500 hours.
This is an advice for PII-233's purchaser so you wouldn't get cheated. In the future, we will
inform more Intel's secret from PCB layout on the next announcement.
The Reverend Al Sharpton
this guy's chinglish is fractured enough to almost make this
believable... =8^-)
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L Conway
HINT! HINT! this guy sounds like one of those remarkers!
billy c
although I am not sure he is or not, but normally there are no reasons, other than identifying legitimacy, for anybody to open SEC and void the warranty in the process. 'swapping CPU cores' does sound something fishy was going on...
as desperately as it may sound, sometimes we all wish a remarker can be on line to tell us some inside stories how they did it. so, let's wait and see what he may say later.
/billy
Lin
I am not remarker. I just want to sue Intel. In Feb-24 97,I did send a
notify warning letter to Intel. In March 98 Germany's Cebit show. I have
send out 30,000 circular and looking for 5,000 people to join the group lawsuit.
In that time, Intel's employer have ask me to stop given circular to influence
them....... After this in April,Germany's custom have catch remark CPU........
(see C'T) Right now,In whole Europe and Asian's custom were all have scaner
by Intel to guard remark CPU. But,why ther is no one have any skeptic from
Intel's CPU and misleading the comsumer. That is why I am try to tell
everyone. Please wait for next announment.
The Reverend Al Sharpton
ok, guys time to put our money where our cake-hole is:
even though i don't have a remarked chip, i will join just for enduring
all that emotional stress of knowing others have been harmed...
that should be worth a few thousand, don't you think? =8^-)
ps: q: the difference between a lawyer and a carp?
a: one is a slimy, scumsucking bottom-feeder the other is just a
fish.
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Zfreeman
Dear Lin: You may have something there. If you are trying to form a class for civil litigation against Intel count me in!!
If you are serious about going forward e-mail me and I will respond with particulars and suggest a law firm in Chicago IL. that specializes in technical litigation. In fact this would be the same firm that succesfully litigated on behalf of independant pharmacies and grocery store chains against the large pharmaceutical companies (Abbott, Eli Lilly etc.) over price fixing in that industry.
In short I'm ready if you are.
The Rev. Louis Farrakhan
right on, bro, i think the Grovezilla Monster has started on the slippery
slope going down, he just hasn't noticed yet...
and while the Grovezilla may have lots of sharks in 3-piece suits in the
legal department, it also has exceedingly deep pockets.
sheesh! these guys are sitting on $13 gigadollars in cash!
and the smell of lots of cash is like the smell of blood in salt-water in
that it attracts all sorts of predators with large, very white and sharp
teeth!
in the water we call them sharks, on land we call them lawyer's for the
plantiff's bar...
remember when a shipwrecked lawyer had to swim for help thru a channel
infested with sharks, and they just moved aside and formed an escort for
him rather than ripping him to shreds? when asked, he said, 'it was
professional courtesy'.
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Ken Thayer
I wouldn't suggest opening the case on any processor unless of course you want to void your warranty. You can download a program called ctp2infw, you will find a link to it from Tomshardware.com. It works, I know because it identified my 300 PII as a fake.
billy c
Hi Lin,
being ‘too active’ on remarking subjects, too was I called ‘remarker’ via e-mail more than once before, so I understand how you feel, and I admire your courageous spirit! On this kind of public forum, it does take some guts and endurance against occasional bashing in order to make your efforts worthy!
were you the guy on Taiwanese TV couple of months back announcing a suit filed against Intel in Taiwan?
now, some questions:
1. on what ground can you or as a class sue Intel? failing to stop remarking, or ‘deceiving’ consumers by using the same 233mhz CPU core in higher priced 300mhz, or something else?
2. what does 'scaner by Intel to guard remark CPU' mean exactly ? are we here in US missing something?
3. you seem very knowledgeable about PII’s SEC, can you tell us any feasible measures an average Joe can visually spot a remarked PII without taking SEC apart? You know that’s kinda ‘scary’ and voids the warranty too!
4. you mentioned about dismounting and swapping CPU cores from PCB, so do you know the existence of any remarked PII’s using completely counterfeited PCB’s? if it exists, or technically practical, then it can be disastrous to consumers because counterfeiters can take the Deschutes core from cheap Celeron and totally ‘manufacture’ fake Deschutes PII (333 and up) all by themselves!
regards,
/billy
Lin
Dear Mr. Billy:
Yes, I was the man in Taiwan who specify that I will make a lawsuit against
Intel. But, the Taiwanese government was influenced by Intel's power, which
made me very troubled (I have specific proves). My lawyer suggested that I
sue Intel in United States. Here are the answers to your ?'s:
1. We will sue Intel of deceiving consumers.
2. There is a laser square mark on the plastic cover of Pentium II CPU. Intel
can use the scanner to read the code of the laser mark. To make the matter
clear, Intel can't even identify with CPU is fake or real. They can only
identify what is real or fake by reading the code of the laser mark.
3. Well, this is very hard for me to give you the details. I can identify
real or fake PII by sight, but it would be much too hard for me to explain how.
But, I will make clear how to identify the PII by visual in details in my
upcoming homepage.
4. PII PCB's were all manufactured in Taiwan. There is no counterfeited
PCB that I know of. But, I know that Intel made some special construction on
the PCB to make the PII look alike.
P.S. To specify a point, we want as many people to join the lawsuit because this
would greatly influence Intel's publication view. But, we don't need any money
support from anyone to join the lawsuit. We have already spend over a million
dollars in the lawsuit towards Intel. We have also contacted media, news, and
etc. about publishing the secrets of Intel. The news would be out after
the lawsuit towards Intel. We have details of Intel's secrets from Pentium,
MMX, to Pentium II. The problem is, it would be much too long to specify all
the secrets by posting messages. We have decided to create a homepage
considering on Intel and the lawsuit. We will post up the information once we
have published the homepage.
P.P.S. Pentium II 300 with retail box package also has remark ones.
billy c
Lin,
Thanx a lot for your prompt reply. I am a Taiwanese immigrant turned citizen since 85, and I caught you in satellite news in Chinese from Taiwan, and I said to myself 'this guy is either lost his head or outrageously courageous!' and here you are, appearing in Intel's own backyard!
1.I am very sure your posts will be 'killed' as soon as Intel's monitoring guy returns to work on Tuesday (May-26) after long weekend (Memorial Day). So, you must post as many 'secrets' as possible before 7am Tuesday (got to count in 15-hr time difference between Taiwan and Pacific time zone).
2.in the future, you also want to post after 7pm Friday (10am Sat. Taiwan), so you can take advantages of 2-day weekend to make your beneficial posts hanging longer for forum's visitors. On weekday, Intel can kill your post as soon as it appears on forum.
3. beside posting to Intel's forum, may I suggest also contact the host of Pro-Desk, and the editor of C't magazine (contact info in my e-mail). they will be very interested in what you have in term of Intel's activities and 'remarking' issues in general. they can also provide bandwidth to publish your beneficial findings on their web sites in case that your posts to this NG promptly killed.
4. it seems to me that you are frustrated in spreading your findings due to language barrier, let me be your translation guy! You can forward me any original reports/documentation, public or underground, or anything you have in Chinese BIG-5 codes, which I can read just fine by using either Chinese Win95 or Twinbridge. I will contact your via private e-mail with regard to any viable visual ID techniques (fine to me in Chinese) for remarked PII's which is the most concerned issues facing consumer today.
regarding the 'scanner' can read the laser square mark, can you be more specific? Is the scanner available in US? How much does it cost? Can the laser square mark be remarked to look alike a real one too?
regards,
/billy
Two Shady Intel Guys With Brooklyn Accents
"Muggsy, make sure that Portland cement gets loaded in the boat at Pier 80, Berth 487sx we gots us a coupla' wisenheimers that will be wearing concrete overshoes and making the proverbial one-way boat ride, as soon as the limo gets here...
"You da man, Buggsy... Hyuk, Hyuk, Hyuk!"
Iceberg
O.K. So Heres What I order from Accubyte. A Pent 300 system with 4 meg of AGP
graphics, AWE 64, 56K modem, 32 speed cd drive,"160" watt speakers, Digiview
17" Monitor, 64 meg sdram. mouse, keyboard Western digital 5.1 gig HD. Heres
what I get . A Pent 300 system with 4 meg of AGP graphics (Graphics card
Doesn't work), AWE 64, 56K modem, 36 speed cd drive, "160"watt speakers, 17 "
Suntomo Monitor, 64meg sdram, mouse(doesn't work), no keyboard, Maxtor 5.2
Gig HD.I installed my own 4meg reality 772 svga card and Orchid Righteous voodoo
card, keyboard and mouse.I downloaded ct2info and got the following results.
CPUID: Genuine Intel, Typ=0, Family=6, Model=3, Step=4
Processor Core: Pentium II Klamath
L1 Data Cache 16kb, 4 way associative
L1 Code Cache 16 kb, 4 way associative
L2 cache 512 kb, 4 way associative
L2 ECC Present but not enabled
Actual Clock Rate 300.7 MHz
Systen Clock Rate Default 66.7 MHz measured 66.8 MHz
Ratio 4.5
Detected Pentium II with ECC
No Irregularities Detected
L2 controller ID 00, step 01 type bsram
L2 manufacturer ID 09= Intel
L2 cache size 512 kb, 1 bankL2 latency mode: 00
L2 associativity 4 way
In order Queue Depth 8**Variable Memory Attributes**
0:00000000.. 03FFFFFF; WB 0MB........64 MB FC00000000
Now, is the chip ok? How do I enable the ecc cache? I couldnt find a way in
the BIOS . It is AMI. I called my credit card company to put a hold on
payment until all issues are settled as to the missing and wrong parts of
this system. AMI Bios has its 3 settings,safe,optimal,best. Under Best I get 300 MHz, under optimal I get 266MHz. both times it reads ECC present but not enabled. I think I may have an older bios version with no ecc enable.( except for dram). Please reply and e-mail.
*plonk*
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Hi,
There have been numerouse complaints on this newsgroup (and others)
wrt accubyte. My suggestion, is return it and get your money back
ASAP. Then buy from someone reputable.
*plonk*
Lin
From the amount of money Accubyte sales on the PII 300, it is possible that
the product is remarked. But, due to that I can't look at the actual
product, I can not identify if it is real or fake. Please check
the laser numbers in the plastic cover. Is it 80522PX300512EC SL2HA?
If it is this number, even if its remarked, it is okay to buy the product if
it is very cheap. If it is not this number, you better return the product.
Iceberg
It is exactly that number (ct2infw shows 300MHz no irregularities)ECC detected but not enabled. The system seems to be running fine. I can't enable ecc through the bios, ma be an older version.
Duke Ionescu
Count me in! Follow up by E-mail plz, and please post the homepage address!
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