New India calling for tenders from contract surveyor firms

[S. Anoop Kumar]

Please read the attached document.  New India Assurance Co. is inviting tenders from contract survey firms or other agencies who can deliver the job of conducting motor surveys in a given area at a flat fees for claims of value upto Rs. 50,000.00.  And almost 70% of the motor claims fall within Rs. 50,000.00 limits. 

Our IIISLA code of ethics prescribe that member surveyors do not indulge in undercutting the fees for a given job than what is prescribed.  But our surveyors have been accepting the jobs at a lesser value while rendering services to private insurers and also for Maruti Online claims. 

Next, anyone can apply for the contract and the firm need not be a professional surveyors firm.  So anyone, who is not a licensed surveyor, not a categorized surveyor, and who is not a member of IIISLA can also apply for the contract.  

Read this paragraph carefully.... 

"The Company has an option to assess losses below Rs.50,000/- in Motor either through In-house surveyors, Regular surveyors or through Agencies with expertise to do the job. The regulation provides where, in the case of a claim less than Rs. 50,000/- in value on any policy of insurance is not practicable for an insurer to employ an approved surveyor or loss assessor without incurring expenses disproportionate to the amount of the claim, the insurer may employ any other person (not being a person disquilified for the time being for being employed as a surveyor or loss assessor) for surveying such loss and may pay such reasonable fee or remuneration to the person so employed as he may think fit". 

Our own surveyors will now apply with benami names and they will eventually kill the profession.  

S. Anoop Kumar, 

Hyderabad.

[rajesh iyer]

I can only reply with fanrastic carpenters song . I am on top of the world and I see ---- 

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[rajesh iyer]

Correction fantastic 

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[S. Anoop Kumar]

Someone just shared that the correct percentage is 82 % as per IIB report and not just 70%.  So the situation is even more alarming than earlier thought to be.

We should all be grateful to our elected leaders for bringing us to this stage.

S. Anoop Kumar.

[swapan basu]

Does anybody, other than regulated ones, have any respect for AGM/EGM and jokes like these?

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From: nirmal tripathi
Sent: ‎27-‎06-‎2017 23:04
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Cc: Insurance Surveyors India; Insurance surveyors; IIISLA COCHIN; IIISLA CHENNAI UNIT
Subject: Re: New India calling for tenders from contract surveyor firms

The only solution (Not solution but crises management) to call an extra ordinary general meeting to discuss the matter and formation of groups / companies of members on Unit level and draw a big line before system.

Regards !

Nirmal Tripathi
Surveyor & Loss Assessor
Kanpur(U.P.)
Cell-9415051660

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[Sodhi AS A S]

One thing we are omitting....

Tenders are called for assessment (and not estimate) of losses upto 50000-00 and for all deptts, not only Motor.....

Ibtada-e-ishaq   hai

Routaa hai kya

Aagay aagay dekhiye 

Hota hai kya  

A S Sodhi

On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 at 2:31 AM, Atul Tyagi <ak...@live.in> wrote:

Dear Tripathi Ji,

 

This time, call this E.O.G.M. in Delhi / Mumbai, you have my support. The reason for the same “proposal is for Delhi/ Mumbai”  

 

Thanks & Regards

 

Atul Tyagi

SLA29403

A/N/08366
9810140525
9990000202

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ XZ Smartphone

 

 

From: nirmal....@rediffmail.com [mailto:nirmal....@rediffmail.com]
Sent: 27 June 2017 22:49

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Subject: Re: New India calling for tenders from contract surveyor firms

 

The only solution (Not solution but crises management) to call an extra ordinary general meeting to discuss the matter and formation of groups / companies of members on Unit level and draw a big line before system.

Regards !

Nirmal Tripathi
Surveyor & Loss Assessor
Kanpur(U.P.)
Cell-9415051660


From: "S. Anoop Kumar" <s.anoo...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 22:41:26
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Subject: New India calling for tenders from contract surveyor firms
 

Someone just shared that the correct percentage is 82 % as per IIB report and not just 70%.  So the situation is even more alarming than earlier thought to be.
 

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[Sushil Maroo Sushil Maroo & Co. Indore 9827022654]

Just go through between the lines. Even if a firm (who is not run by Surveyors), depute a Consultant (who works as Surveyor for 10 years), they are also eligible:


             The principal officer/director in the agency should have a minimum experience of

10 years as a licensed surveyor in India. Alternatively, the agency must have a

consultant who has a minimum experience of ro years as a licensed Motor Surveyor

to guide or give his expert opinion whenever required.

[nirmal tripathi]

The only solution (Not solution but crises management) to call an extra ordinary general meeting to discuss the matter and formation of groups / companies of members on Unit level and draw a big line before system.

Regards !

Nirmal Tripathi
Surveyor & Loss Assessor
Kanpur(U.P.)
Cell-9415051660


From: "S. Anoop Kumar" <s.anoo...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 22:41:26
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Subject: New India calling for tenders from contract surveyor firms
 

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[Chand Bhatia]

Dear Mr Tripathi,

Council knew of it after mails of Mr. Manoj Bhargava's mails being written since April prior to EGM. Why the issue did not come for EGM. Now you are suggesting formation of groups and companies and Unit level. Do you think that issue is to be settled by Unit levels? Issue is for National level and who will lead at National level? Council under the leadership of Mr Lalit Gupta, who is only busy in Benovalent Fund and Seminars? 

Why should the etire council not resign in protes. This is the most effective democratic Tool available to draw attention of Authorities. But will the greed of GADDI can be compromised? HA just dream. 

C K BHATIA

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[S. Anoop Kumar]

Dear Mr. CK Bhatia,

It is now known that PSU insurance companies would be going for outsourcing of survey jobs falling within no survey limits to some contract surveyors.  We have had this discussion during March 2017 when United India was trying to finalise on this and this should have come into effect from 01st  April 2017.   We then made a hue and cry and United India had to defer it for sometime, but not shelve it.  The prominent names that cropped up during that time were Autorisk and Mahindra First Choice.  

Again there are rumours floating around that New India Assurance is almost decided to finalise the contract in favour of Autorisk for Mumbai and Mahindra First Choice for Delhi.  Remember Autorisk is now part of Mahindra First Choice yet they operate in the name of Autorisk in certain areas.  Am I reminding you of someone whose e-mail ID was that of Autorisk and who is related to one of the CC members which was shared on the group message boards during April 2017 and we received no clarifications on the issue?  I think we are able to see some connection now and a plausible reason too.  

Autorisk was managed by Dhruva's son Amit Dhruva in Maharashtra and few other parts of India and by Mr. Arun Kumar in the North.  After taking over by Mahindra First choice, Amit Dhruva continues to handle the operations for Mumbai as a director in Mahindra First Choice and Mr. Arun Kumar's daughter is Vice President in Mahindra First choice.  Clink on the link provided below

http://mahindrafirstchoice.com/press-release/mahindra-first-choice-wheels-acquires-autorisk-management-services

Published on : 14 Oct 2015, Author : Mahindra First Choice

Category : Press Release

NEW DELHI: Mahindra First Choice Wheels Ltd (MFCWL), a multi-brand certified used car company, today acquired the business assets of Autorisk Management Services for an undisclosed sum.

Remember Mr. Mahendra Dhruva was the President of IIISLA and was managing Autorisk from the same building where IIISLA office was located in Mumbai.  Yet he denied any connection with Autorisk though he was confronted with certain proof by certain members during the first IIISLA AGM held at Hyderabad. Several CC members that time have executed a self declaration affidavit declaring that they are not contract surveyors and are in no way involved in contract survey works, and Dhruva, being the president, did not execute any such affidavit.  And there were allegations that IIISLA staff was used for Autorisk works.

The damage is done.  We are now into firefighting.  But our CC members are totally silent yet to come out and make a statement.  A statement that none of them are involved in this activity either directly or indirectly and that they will fight to protect the interests of individual and independent surveyors.  Is it a tall asking?  

We get to read that several contract surveyors were issued notices (more than 100 for sure) in the recent times and one Mr. VB Sehgal was delisted from the membership register too.  Are all these notices served to silence them and deter them from participating in the tender process so that a certain favoured companies walk away with the tenders and the sole rights to carry out all the surveys falling within no survey limits in certain given areas?   I leave it here for the members to ponder and look out for answers.  

And if the CC members cannot save the profession, they should atleast gracefully withdraw and offer their resignations in protest than acting as innocent babies.  The CC members are as responsible and culpable for this mess along with the perpetrators of the wrongdoings leading to destroying the profession as a whole, whether such perpetrators are within the CC or outside.  

A final and parting shot....   The no survey limits for non-motor is Rs. 1.00 lakh and that would be the next in line and not far from now.  And IRDA Surveyors' Regulations 2015 is due to be reviewed during 2018 (once every 3 years) and the no survey limits are going to be increased to Rs. 1.00 lakh in motor department and Rs. 2.00 lakhs in non-motor department.  This would finish of the profession of independent surveyors in one stroke.  If the members are still not able to see the devils dancing in front of their eyes then they are really blind to the core.  And no one can save them.  Not the insurer's, not the IRDA and not even the God.  

With best regards,

Sincerely,

S. Anoop Kumar.

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[Ashraff Tim]

Dear All,

Our Surveyor brothers from all parts of the country are expressing their anguish over the present situation, and requests are being made by many of our members of intellectual qualities putting up valuable suggestions, but the CC or our so called leaders are unmoved as if they have nothing to say in this.

And I am sure that they will not have anything to say because they themselves are influencing various insurers to make a move like this so that the common surveyors are deprived of their livelihood and these selfish leaders can cash on their plight to grab everything for themselves 

Do not expect anything from CC or any of the ACs(expanded words of AC you may think in your minds), because they are the one behind this, since they know that were not elected as CC Members, but snatched the CC memberships by trading of Blank Ballots.

So, brothers you can start packing your bags to go on long leave or on pilgrimage 

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Mukesh Gupta <mkgupta....@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear brother

Your advise is right and we all should think for this

M k Gupta

Surveyor

Kota

On 29 Jun 2017 10:00 a.m., "U K Agrawal" <uk.a...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello All,

I understand that it is a very alarming Crisis situation for whole of the Surveyor fraternity, but all we need is to take decisions keeping calm during this phase of time. 

In my opinion, instead of putting allegations on one another, we should together make a move and take this matter to court and the 'Stay' for this regulation should be asked. It is my humble request to Council, to review this issue once again in light of getting this profession saved for every dedicated member of the IIISLA.

One for all... All for one !!! Let's do this together !!!

Thanks & Regards

U.K.Agrawal

Chairman, NCR-Chapter, IIISLA

On 28-Jun-2017 1:40 pm, "'amar kant jha' via Indian Independent Insurance Surveyor And Loss Assessors Bengal" <iiisla...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Dear Friends,

AGM/EGM may be solution in some one mind. But I think First of All LOCAL SURVEYOR from HYDERABAD just meet together and go directly to IRDAI  and express the concern on the matter, At least the IRDAI thinking will  come out.

All Underwriter are  Following guidelines from IRDAI in the FINANCIAL LIMIT.

After that  Immediately Meet the MOF as SURVEYOR BODY, Not as IIISLA,

 If IIISLA EGM is called- A agenda of CHANGE IN MANAGEMENT must be discussed with open mind.

IIISLA management  approach till now looks  NO WHERE, Where as CHARGES on  MANAGEMENT BODY- No clear cut reply or action none of the CC shown till now. 

If Charges are FALSE, Even though  SURVEYOR should decide their OWN future- Without the help of IIISLA management.

 If It is TRUE- The present result is first and biggest blow to wipe out  INDEPENDENT surveyor-- Curtsey IIISLA.

The most important point- Most of the Surveyor are thinking of going for BID and they feel that they are  not equipped properly for the TENDER.

My Dear Friends- All these are PRE PLANNED by the CORPORATE/CONTRACT  Surveyor- So That they FIRST entre into the Field and  take the CREAM, All such arrangement can not take place without the help of our Institution.

GREAT JOB by OUR LEADERS- SINCE day one in First Phase and  before 8yrs in FINAL STAGE.

Amar Kant Jha

0933-47-84485

0775-90-90733

PATNA

28.06.2017

On Wednesday, June 28, 2017, 11:24:45 AM GMT+5:30, MAHENDRA TRIVEDI <mhtri...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Sirs
We collective never took pragmatic approach and iiisla happed on its membership trump card which can not and will not last long.
Although painful changes are inevitable and we have to change ourselves. Difficult to fight market forces.
We would have done better by entering into dialogue with insurers and private players for utilising our services rather than invoking rules.
It reminds me of Satyajit Ray "S movie Shatranj ke khiladi ( Rulers engaged in hypothetical battle) and saying when Rome was burning Nero was playing fiddle.
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Subject: Re: New India calling for tenders from contract surveyor firms

 

Respected all 

                    Opposing the move may not be possible because this is a rule now, The IIISLA now should inform members whether members can form group & apply for empanelment, whether member can be a consultant for the concern etc.etc. Please play your role. 

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[Sodhi AS A S]

As I understand (may be wrong), Insurers can have employees for survey jobs if not engage independent Surveyors. Here the jobs  are being outsourced, which is an infringement of regulations thus can be challenged in the court of law. More views solicited.

A S Sodhi

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[Chandrasekhara Raju]

Dear Sodhi Sir,

Please note that SLA is an intermediary, and so cannot be an employee of insurer.  This is a clear violation of the Act.  The only escape the insurer has is that they pronounce that such employees are used for claims below the 'No Survey" limit i.e., 50,000 - Motor and 1 lakh - Non Motor.

Since these no survey limits have no obligation of mandatory survey report from an approved surveyor; the insurer is free to devise their own methods of handling such claims.  Upto this, there is nothing illegal which can be sought relief from honourable courts.

Surveyor appointment is core activity not to be outsourced - but then such criterion applies to limits that require mandatory survey report, which is not the case now published by NIACL.

Regards,

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[Ram Awadh]

Dear Sir,

IRDA guidelines are there for insurers. The magic limit is Rs 50000/--For Motor,100000/-for Non motor claims. The insurers are free to pay the claims below this magic limit. They can empanel, appoint, depute independent one or company or agency. Law permits them. IIISLA is  assuring to common surveyors not be panic. They will certainly do some thing good to the common surveyors(who even believe them). They are good friend's of minister sfm/FM. IIISLA perhaps will get chartered status or sub deptt of Insurance and banking ministry in 2017,, as assured by that sfm and good friend of the SFM, but it is very sure that no sooner common surveyor will be in miserable state on their own cost spent in future.

Thanks to iiisla rahnumas.

Ram Avadh Singh

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