EMPLOYEE AND INHOUSE SURVEYOR and IIISLA MEMBERSHIP

[Chand Bhatia]

Dear All

Mr J K Sharma, a senior surveyor has sent a mail as below under different subject -

Issue highlighted by Mr J K Sharma is about employee surveyor getting entry into IIISLA. The issue came up in a big way on the boarrd and many a member wrote against the same. Members even opined that those who have got entry should be suspended and those who recommended their names should also be questioned for their act. 

To my great surprise even Mr Nirmal Tripathi, declared on the board that even he had recommended such employee surveyors for iiisla membership. This message of Mr Nirmal Tripathi confession has missed my attention, but I am simply shocked that a person like Mr Tripathi has acted so ignorantly. Though he has apologised on message board, but he has not declared the names of the members who are recommended by him so that appropriate action is taken on those members. 

I have no words to say for Mr Tripathi except that his messages against in House and employee surveyor has totally vanished with this fact coming to light. I am sorry to say that Mr. Tripathi has given a blow to the surveyors who are fighting against the employee surveyors and In house surveying. I leave it to Mr Tripathi to decide that what Self punishment (प्रायश्चित ) does he decide for himself. 

But I want that others who have signed such membership forms should also reveal the truth, so that corrective action is taken now. Needless to say one day or the other the truth will come out, and then what will be the fate of those who have recommended employee surveyors. 

There are still many employee surveyors, who have to be become member and want to become member, No body should sign such application forms and IIISLA membership committee should also take extra attention on the application now being received. 

Mr J K Sharma's mail on iiisla bengal group is as below

Dear All

It is very good significant that the IRDA has given the attention towards the betterment of the surveyor and making compulsory the membership of IIISLA as an individual surveyor. But beside this the PVT. Insurer and the Corporate surveyor also trying to get the membership for their employee. This will very fatal for our profession. It will be requested to all illegible members not to recommend the corporate and employee for membership of association. I will request to the senior members to keep a surveillance and warn the member who will do the knowingly wrong in this matter.This is the matter of our survival.

The surveyors who are working with the Pvt. Insurer on the basis of bulk job and on non specified Fee  ie. 500/- per jobs without conveyance without photo charges is also against the surveyor ethics and the association is fighting against the same hence a member of association is requested to please avoid the same otherwise the securitiny will be carried out resulting losing of membership and forfeiting the membership fee. Please note that each and every activity is being monitored by the honorable and dedicated members and their opinion will be final and bounding on the association. 

I hope that you will take it very serious and improve your working with the ethics.This is what the association wants from you. Your fee paid does nt mean your membership but you are expected to act for the betterment of the association.

We are listening all best improvement in our association. The members are engaged in progress for the same. You are also expected to do some good. Please... Please.          

dadashree.sharma

Karnal Haryana.

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[Tanmoy Sarkar]

Yes Sir,

It is fact. Even after the issue was on mail board for quite some time many employee surveyors are pursuing the authorized signatories and other members to recommend them for IIISLA membership. Members should realize the menace and restrain themselves for recommending such employee surveyors. 

IIISLA Admin office should also need to check the forms properly whether these are actually signed by authorized signatories or somebody else. In this regard I feel the list of authorized signatories state wise should be on the website or be issued on mail boards as a circular. This is a serious matter and should be dealt with seriousness. 

I also request the IIISLA authorities to prepare a list of new members along with their proposers and recommenders. This list should be available to other members and any comment or complaint from other members should be dealt with proper seriousness. In this regard take the example of IRDA, on website she produces the list of aspirants of surveyors' licences along with their trainers. We cannot allow our house to be full of outsiders.

Thanks

With regards

Tanmoy Sarkar

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[DILEEP WANGOO]

IIISLA HAS THE POWERS TO CANCELL THE MEMBERSHIP OF A MEMBER WHO VIOLATES THE CODE OF CODUCT. SO IIISLA GOVERNING BODY SHOULD TAKE IMMEDIATE STEPS TOWARDS THESE ISSUES AND ACT FOR THE WELFARE OF SURVEYOR PROFESSION

DILEEP WANGOO

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[Mrinal Pathak]

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Subject: Re: EMPLOYEE AND INHOUSE SURVEYOR and IIISLA MEMBERSHIP

Dear Tanmoy

It is our first duty, duty of a  surveyor why some particular surveyors are trying to recommend the name of some inhouse employee surveyors as IIISLA member, what is their interest ? That should be enlightened clearly. It is a serious matter &  need an immediate interference of IIISLA Authority. It is our request to the IIISLA Authority please open the list of NEW MEMBERS ALONG WITH THEIR PROPOSERS. 

Thanks                                                    Kanchan Gangopadhyay.   Kolkata   SLA

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[Mrinal Pathak]

Dear All,

21 Nos. SLA, who are working with Insurance Companies, had received membership from the date of inception of IIISLA.

They have clearly mentioned their companies name in the application and incorporated in the IIISLA's Register.

There might be other Corporate SLA, who became member of IIISLA from the starting, like Mr. Govinder Kapur and other 12 Nos. SLA of Cunningham Lindsey Int Pvt. Ltd.

 

With Thanks & Regards,

Mrinal Pathak,
Surveyor & Assessor,
Mobile : 9864061309 & 9435112279

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Subject: Re: EMPLOYEE AND INHOUSE SURVEYOR and IIISLA MEMBERSHIP

Dear Tanmoy

It is our first duty, duty of a  surveyor why some particular surveyors are trying to recommend the name of some inhouse employee surveyors as IIISLA member, what is their interest ? That should be enlightened clearly. It is a serious matter &  need an immediate interference of IIISLA Authority. It is our request to the IIISLA Authority please open the list of NEW MEMBERS ALONG WITH THEIR PROPOSERS. 

Thanks                                                    Kanchan Gangopadhyay.   Kolkata   SLA

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[Gulzar Mathauda]

Respected Surveyor Brothers

It is very correct when Mr. Ram Avadah Singh says that some Individual surveyors have captured the work and they have employed Non- Technical employees and the are doing more than 500 even more surveys a month. Are thee surveyor more qualified or more swift in obtaining/ getting deputed. we are all equally qualified. Only difference is that most of surveyor brothers observe ethics, self dignity where as a few of us are apt in their nefarious designs and are well versed how to grease the palm of officers to get survey jobs or how to get on different panels.

In the same context as Mr. JK Sharma has mentioned that some surveyors became corporate surveyors and purchased the concerned officers, these are very a few surveyors who are still bribing the officers by getting money from new/fresh surveyor brothers to get them on different panels. may i here please make a mention that Mr Lalit Gupta indulged in promoting a few surveyors even though he was apprised about their undesirable activities. Mr. Pradeep Goswamy has rightly pointed out in the trailing mail as on what basis Mr Lalit Gupta was promoting such & such surveyor. what was his criteria for such recommendations. May be some of them were black listed by certain insurers.

well gentlemen it is very good sign that there is a genaral awareness about this menace. it is an accepted fact that this evil exists through India as there are a few black-sheep in all cities. It is very good & positive sign that we getting awakened. it is question of survival of our noble profession

we must find some solution/methods to combat this disease.

all of us deeply think about it and suggest the methods to fight it out.

can we go by forming the team of some senior surveyors i all the cities, who will keep and eye on these undesirable activities or things like this

Well gentlemen it is every body's concern, we must form some dos & don'ts at the earliest.

My best of warm regards to all of you

 
Squadron Leader Gulzar Singh, (Retd)

Surveyor, Loss Assessor &

Investigator

Mobile:- 98767 18583

Village Ghazi Pur Jattan

P.O Dhakauli, (MC Zirakpur)

Distt Ajitgarh, (Mohali)

140603, Punjab.

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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 15:16:26 +0000
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Subject: Re: EMPLOYEE AND INHOUSE SURVEYOR and IIISLA MEMBERSHIP

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Dear all,
I fully agree with my colleague, Mr Tanmoy Sarkar that surveyors employed with various pvt insurers are not independent surveyors and are working/employed with them. Only independent surveyors should be given IIISLA membership and not otherwise.

Now w.r.t to ur 2nd para of mail, the basis on which IIISLA recommends that forms should be signed by their sponsored representatives may also need to define the criteria, as a matter of transparency that on what basis the sponsored member/signatory has been chosen. May it be their seniority, acceptability amongst all surveyors, their standing, their honesty in the profession or whether they have been chosen by various surveyors of that city/Area/region/Chapter, by electing them as their representatives or unanimously, which is most important. We, Chandigarh surveyors received a mail from Mr Lalit Gupta at such a juncture, when we could not object to it, since membership to IIISLA had been made mandatory, and this objection probably might have put obstructions in the their way of becoming IIISLA members, prior to 01.04.13. Therefore I strongly feel that IIISLA or its members acted in a dictatorial way, lacking transparency, without defining how a particular member has been chosen.

Regarding 3rd para of your mail to which I fully agree, the list should be made public amongst all surveyors of various cities/Area/Regions/Chapters with the criterion defined in my 2nd para, as a matter of transparency.

Thanks and kind regards,

Pradeep Goswami,
Chandigarh.
Mobile: 9872479977, 9780039300

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Subject: MANDATORY MEMBERSHIP OF IIISLA

Dear Gopal Krishan Ji, Welcome to IIISLA. I on behalf of IIISLA Council appreciate your decision to take a responsibility for membership drive in Chandigarh /Panchkula Area for new member of Indian Institute of Insurance Surveyors & Loss Assessors (IIISLA) to strengthen the noble profession of SLA. I hereby authorised you on behalf of IIISLA Council to collect Membership Form all new members & send dully filled/Signed & attested through your self with a responsibility that not recommend any form of Surveyor who will not follow the code of Ethics as mentioned in MOA of IIISLA as discuss. Plz note that no form shall be entertained by Admn. office,Hyderabad which was not signed/recommened by office bearer/ Authorised representative of IIISLA. Moreover Plz collect the Balance Subscription of existing member of IIISLA, so that member should be in good standing on 01.04.2013 to avoid any further complication as per order of MOF as I have already sent you the pending Subscription list . Plz attached following Documents along with form to avoid further inconvenience. 1. Attested Photocopy of Surveyor Licence being issued from IRDA which must be signed by the SLA.. 2.Attested copy of University Board Degree/Diploma/Certificate. (Plz don't send your mark sheets) 3.Valid Date of Birth Certificate. 4.Demand draft/Cheque in name of Indian Institute of Insurance Surveyors & Loss Assessors. List of all documents provided should be given in the Membership Form for proper identification.& Applicant must sign on all the pages of Membership Form along with other place where signature are required. Rgds! Lalit Gupta Central Council Member (IIISLA) 926/Sec-21D Faridabad 0981118460

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[Gulzar Mathauda]

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Subject: RE: EMPLOYEE AND INHOUSE SURVEYOR and IIISLA MEMBERSHIP
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2013 23:15:29 +0530

[Pradeep Goswami]

[Kaplesh Krishan Bayala]

Dear Sir,

Please note that now at this juncture Employee of Private Insurer "which are having IRDA Licence " are trying there hard to become a member of IIISLA. I request the members to be alert, few people with some commitment may forward the application.

Thanks & Regards.

Kaplesh Bayala

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