Licentiate members – Is their membership status in IIISLA legal or illegal?

[S. Anoop Kumar]

 Dear Friends,

I have on earlier occasions pointed out that IIISLA AOA does not recognize Licentiate members and  issue of Licentiate membership in IIISLA to several members is clearly in violation of IIISLA AOA.  Technically, Licentiate members do not exist.  I have also mentioned on several occasions and suggested that all the members who have been issued Licentiate membership should be granted Associate membership in IIISLA by collecting the difference in annual subscription fees from the date they are allotted Associate membership or for the current year.  But my pleas have gone futile for no one, including the elected CC members,  took  serious note  of the issue and given it a serious thought.  And that includes the Licentiate members themselves.  There was absolutely no reaction or demand from the Licentiate members to legalise their membership in IIISLA. 

During the last IIISLA CC elections, I have raised this issue and filed my complaint before the election officer and also IRDA and objected to granting voting rights to the Licentiate members.  The election officer and also IRDA have obtained a legal opinion on the issue raised and agreed to the fact that IIISLA AOA does not recognize Licentiate members.  Hence, it was decided not to allow voting rights to all Licentiate members.  So the Licentiate members were not allowed to vote during the last elections. 

But that was more than one year ago.   And full fledged IIISLA CC is in place for close to one year now.  The elected CC members did not give any importance to this serious issue during the last one year.   We do not know if they have even discussed this amongst themselves during any CC meet for IIISLA CC does not believe in sharing the minutes of meetings.    

We have close to 1200 members who have been issued Licentiate membership in IIISLA.  These 1200 members cannot be treated as bonafide members and stakeholders of IIISLA since they are not recognized by IIISLA AOA.  The grant of Licentiate membership in IIISLA is illegal and can be challenged.  But do we have any solutions to the problem.  Yes…. we have have and we have more than one choice.  Let me also share them with you with the easiest one ranking in the first order.  

1.       First, IIISLA CC should take a decision in the CC meet and grant Associate membership to all the Licentiate members and grant them a legal status.  The difference in annual subscription charges for the current year, or perhaps from the next financial year 2016-17 starting from 01^st April 2016.  

This is the easiest of all to deal with the 1200 licentiate members on hand till such time our IIISLA AOA is amended to grant and accommodate Licentiate membership to the new and fresh entrants & SLA holders. 

 

2.       Second, IIISLA should amend the AOA in the next general body meeting, whether EGM or AGM, and propose amendment of AOA to grant and accommodate Licentiate membership to the new and fresh entrants & SLA holders.  

This is most advisable, but is a time consuming process considering the fact we had the last AGM held only about 3 months.  

However, I also got to understand IIISLA CC is mulling with the idea of calling for an EGM anytime soon proposing certain changes and amendments in the IIISLA AOA, including grant of membership to employees of insurance companies who are all holding SLA license.  The issue of granting membership to Licentiate members and regularizing the existing Licentiate members can also be included taken up and their membership ratified if the CC is proposing the holding an EGM anytime soon. 

 

3.       The third and the hard one now.  Cancel all the memberships issued to all Licentiate members since they are not recognized members of IIISLA as per IIISLA AOA.   Not recommended.  

 

Now I leave it to the members to ponder and share their views.  Members need not have to necessarily agree with my comments or my views.  They should analyse the issue from their own perspective and should form their own views.  But please share them with us too so that the best solution comes out and can be implemented.  After all, you cannot throw away 1200 surveyors straight onto the streets and jeopardize their careers & future. 

 

With best regards,

Sincerely,

 

S. Anoop Kumar,

Hyderabad.

+91 9849042132

 

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The best solution is to call for EGM before AGM or in next AGM to amend AOA for what is beneficial to members. Before amendment let CC seek opinion of all members what they would like to change & it would be wise to consult IRDAI since we cannot survive without their suggestion as they are Authority & can impose any law whether members like or not or members welfare. This is my considerable suggestion.

CMA B. D. Mohta, FIIISLA

Bangalore 

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[S. Anoop Kumar]

Dear Friends,

As digged out from the earlier messages posted.  Makes an interesting reading and brushes our memory.  The matter was raised by me again and again from time to time to make our IIISLA CC members to act with wisdom.  It surely took some time but the goal is achieved atlast.  Late in arrival but not lost enroute.

Regards,

S. Anoop Kumar,

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[S. Anoop Kumar]

Friends,

Surprisingly I find absolutely no reaction (or rejoicing) from the 1200+ Licentiate Members who are getting elevated to the status of Associate Members. But more than the elevation in the level, they are getting legal status not IIISLA which was lacking earlier though they paid the membership fees in full like any other. The Licentiate Members remained inferior beings and dummies without voting rights.

But why this lack of interest in the Licentiate Members? I wish I knew the answer.

Regards,
S. Anoop Kumar.

[Shikha Jha]

Dear Friends,

    It is worth noting that IIISLA Elected members is a group of Cronies who are only interested in Loot of the  money  collected and not for the welfare of its members. Time has come to get its funds audited by agency i.e CAG. We cannot rely on  the corrupt CA's auditing its accounts. The surveyors members will have to stop funding any more collection to IIISLA.

Sudhir Kataria

[Shikha Jha]

Dear Friends, 

Similarly all Associate Members should get automatic promotion as Fellow members.

 Sudhir Kataria

On Saturday, January 9, 2016 at 6:37:41 AM UTC+5:30, S. Anoop Kumar wrote: