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On 24 Mar 2018 2:02 pm, "S. Anoop Kumar" <s.anoo...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[S. Anoop Kumar]

The meeting held at Hyderabad on 24th March 2018 was a convergence of IIISLA chapter and zonal chairmen or their authorised nominees from All India Basis.  These office bearers were invited by IIISLA CC to share their views and plan of action to deal with the EOI issue which is going to take away 82% of the motor survey jobs from the individual and independent surveyors on All India Basis.

The members and office bearers present had a free interaction, sometimes very loud and hard to drive their point home, sometimes not very pleasant or decent.  But this was all understandable and on the expected lines for the members were worried about their future, careers and the threat of losing their livelihood, and the pent up frustration needed a vent to be let out in the form of their agitated expression.

Finally, a decision has been arrived on consensus by all and IIISLA CC members also accepted to implement the decision taken respecting the members sentiments.  It was a collective decision.

First, IIISLA CC will immediately or within 3 days issue show cause notice to all the awardees of the contract survey jobs by OIC seeking their explanation why their IIISLA membership should not be cancelled for the awardees have violated the code of conduct and code of ethics as stipulated by IIISLA.  The time given fir reply would be 7 to 14 days as decided by the CC.

Second, the CC will suspend the membership from IIISLA of all the awardees of the contract surveys and refer the matter to the Disciplinary Committee to initiate further proceedings to cancel the membership of such violators.

Third, a notification would be released by way of mass SMS and emails and further placed on IIISLA official website alerting and warning members not to accept or work for the contract surveyors in any way, and anyone accepting or rendering services to the contract surveyors would also invite disciplinary action from IIISLA leading to cancellation of their membership.

Some other members can share more information on this.

Regards,

S Anoop Kumar.

[VIPIN KUMAR SHUKLA]

Definitely, good and appropiate hours need decision.

Yesterday, two vedeos vireled on social media for views deliver by members. One of Mr. DCS Raju and other of past president Mr. Lalit Gupta ji. While listened the views, it was very clear that Mr. Lalit Gupta ji was in very hurry to take action against the participents and he also qouted some provisions of AOA of IIISLA and Regulations of IRDA while Mr. DCS Raju expressed his view in a decent manner and catogarical as give notice, wait for reply and then after to send Disciplenery Commettie who should suggest to CC about the action on merit and  then CC should consider and take action against the participent of EOI.

Friends, It is very sensitive issue for our carrier and we should not forget the results of VB Sehgal case and court case againt NIA. 

It may take time for one month or more but action should be without any leakage in procedure. Participents definitely will go in Court. IIISLA should also be prepare for that situation.

Afterall, it was good descision and leaders listened the crying of members. 

With regards.

Vipin Kumar Shukla,

Surveyor/Lucknow,

+91-9415002675 

 

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[VIPIN KUMAR SHUKLA]

[S. Anoop Kumar]

Members may please go through the above list of awardees of contract survey by Oriental Insurance Co. Ltd.  In the list only names of the firms are mentioned and not the names of the surveyors who are behind these firms and their place or state of their operations.

Members knowing the details of the surveyors behind these firms in whatever the capacity, a partner, director, proprietor, principal surveyor, or whatever the name they call themselves, may please forward the names, their place of work and state, and any other details, with IIISLA Admin so that IIISLA can initiate the process of taking action against these surveyors.

S. Anoop Kumar.

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Yes

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On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 at 10:06 AM, Atul Deshpande <deshpande...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear friends

This info of details of partners or principal surveyor can be obtained within 1 month authorizedly from oicl it self by opting rti option by our secretary why they are asking for common surveyors to give info which may based on verbal or unreliable sources.  The action plan after this has to be ready, why iiisla is not coming up with common claim hub allotment for all insurance companies with common report pattern for Motor survey reports and monitor allotment if work directly from computerised system just like Maruti.  

According to my opinion a claim hub has to be settled on pan india basis by iiisla and software has to be developed for allotment if work to all surveyors of particular region for fellow associate and licenciate basis.  All the claims intimated at all branches of all PSU will be automatically reflected to this hub and the claim will be allotted to the surveyor who are paneled in that area and as per his catagory on rotation basis.  The performance if tat and other will be awarded points by company and technical comittee of iiisla or automatically given by computer.  This will bring tat and reduce the extra ordinary interfereance of insurance manager in allotment of work.

For allotment of work iiisla will charge fix amount from the survey fees which will be deposited online by surveyor on monthly allotted work so all expenses of software and staff can be maintained thus will be apart from annual subscription of membership.

This is basic idea and expert can suggest any correction in it.

WBR

Atul Deshpande

Fellow

Yavatmal 

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[S. Anoop Kumar]

Dear Sir,

IIISLA did not seek the information.  They will certainly collect the information from OIC, from the local surveyors, from the ROC, etc.  

But if we can help them with the inputs, they can act faster without loss of any time.  

Regards, 

S Anoop Kumar. 

On Sun 25 Mar, 2018, 10:06 Atul Deshpande, <deshpande...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear friends

This info of details of partners or principal surveyor can be obtained within 1 month authorizedly from oicl it self by opting rti option by our secretary why they are asking for common surveyors to give info which may based on verbal or unreliable sources.  The action plan after this has to be ready, why iiisla is not coming up with common claim hub allotment for all insurance companies with common report pattern for Motor survey reports and monitor allotment if work directly from computerised system just like Maruti.  

According to my opinion a claim hub has to be settled on pan india basis by iiisla and software has to be developed for allotment if work to all surveyors of particular region for fellow associate and licenciate basis.  All the claims intimated at all branches of all PSU will be automatically reflected to this hub and the claim will be allotted to the surveyor who are paneled in that area and as per his catagory on rotation basis.  The performance if tat and other will be awarded points by company and technical comittee of iiisla or automatically given by computer.  This will bring tat and reduce the extra ordinary interfereance of insurance manager in allotment of work.

For allotment of work iiisla will charge fix amount from the survey fees which will be deposited online by surveyor on monthly allotted work so all expenses of software and staff can be maintained thus will be apart from annual subscription of membership.

This is basic idea and expert can suggest any correction in it.

WBR

Atul Deshpande

Fellow

Yavatmal 

On Sun 25 Mar, 2018, 9:49 AM S. Anoop Kumar, <s.anoo...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[S. Anoop Kumar]

Dear Sir,

A straight and simple answer - Our very own surveyor brothers who have become greedy who would like to use the situation, exploit the small time surveyors and gradually kill the profession for good. 

A crooked answer - the wolves with the sheep's skin.

A not so very shocking answer - some of them are some of our past or present elected members at various levels or their staunch supporters or followers who participated in the EOI exercise with some dummy names or benamis.

Let's keep watching the developments as they unfold and identify these culprits or traitors of the profession and throw them out to save our profession. 

Regards, 

S Anoop Kumar. 

On Sun 25 Mar, 2018, 11:11 J.k Sharma, <dadashre...@gmail.com> wrote:

Who is behind thaese

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[J.k Sharma]

Dear All:

Being A senior member of the Association I appeal to the participant of the EOI please leave the membership of the IIISLA with immediate effect. 

Will you listen to me? 

I Know that you were damaging the profession with your black faces since the very begin. You left no chance to loot and degrade the profession for your short time benefits. You grease the palm of the officers. You sold your malign soul for a little money. You became the Dalal and involved some like you. You got involved to loot the policyholders with PVT. Insurer. 

Dear malign soul, low category social element would you show some respect for the profession which is meant for a protection to the needed policyholders.  

What does the money mean for you? 

This is last humble request or you can face furious action. 

I assure you that you may go to the court only, but will not perform in the field. 

With Regard's

dadashree.sharma

Karnal (HR) -132001

9354108188

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[Sanjay Shaw Owner CodeHub India]

Dear Sir,

It is again appear as non - prudential resolution of the Last IIISLA meeting  without examining the ins-out of the action and it's effects. It was privilege were given to the surveyor for the majorities in the list. and that list were issued partially, which were prepared due to some court case at Delhi.

Now with this act, the 2nd list will be come out from the insurer office for the companies who are not at all belongs to any surveyors and priority of the option of the principal surveyor will be ignored. 

Later on , EOI will be controlled by non-surveyor companies where IIISLA will not get any place of points to stair such non-surveyor companies.

Now for the principal surveyor, most of the surveyor's earning are below Rs 10000/- per month and among them most of the surveyor will be ready to be a principal surveyor of that non-surveyor companies at his last residual age of life even after loosing the IIISLA membership for earning Rs 25000/- per month of report signing job.

Than what IIISLA body will do? is IIISLA is able to manufacture the claim job for their members.

after snake bite and follow up recovery please do not kill the snake but try to explore on interaction with the snake as why had snake bite. and it's appears as (a) High ICR Incured claim ratio (b) High Over heads with no cost cutting (c) solvency margin.

Than Why ICR High, it is due to the lack of skill force and existance of scam due to improper regulation of different bodies.

If insurer will pay ICR below 35% with eliminating the scam with the help of surveyor than where is the problem of insurer to pay surveyor ALAE ( allocated Loss adjustment expenses ) 18 % of premium collect and that will cause three times as compare to existing GIPSA survey schedules.

Please think about the limitation of the IRDA and MOF as most of them are not at all as chartered engineer who are capable to apply reverse engineering computation of any assessment for feasibility test. and they run on the basis of available data of the test and trail method. who are dependent on the share market spike and fluctuation due to the foreign  investment gradient. who are those foreign investor as those who are investing in under develop or developing companies. and accordingly they are advising the administrator that we are facing the clock.

That does not mean those administrator or investor are wanting to exist in corruption in a non - solvency environment. 

if any one or organisation will help to implement the scam free practice they will be rather please and surveyor have only option as per attached mail copy to fight against corruption.. and avoid the anti - revolution which will again deteriorate further as due to the existence of week accounting/ administrative system of the IIISLA and it's member.

Please do not put axes at your own feet on issuing the show cause notice.

with regards

Sanjay Shaw

9831085519

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But Sir who are the blacksheeps behind these companies

Regards

Rajarshi

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On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 at 14:09, S. Anoop Kumar

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List of contract surveyors awarded Oriental Insurance motor survey contract

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[9892351320]

Sir,

We welcome such moove. But not only for Govt cos contract but also for Pvt Insurers contract.

Also Is there any Legal Expert was available in meeting and under which code we can take action. Or our Officer bearer are 

legally expert????

EOI.....Oriental letter shows empanelment of agencies and no where contract term is used.

What are criteria to take such notice and action.

Can IIISLA send  notice to comapnies who are not member of them ?

Can IIISLA take action of any empanlled sla doing survey by own?

Kindly clear doubts on above by Secretary or President?

Once again request to take suchaction on surveyirs with Pvt Insurers also  who are voilating laws if any.

Regards

Jatin Parab

Mumbai.

 

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[Sanjay Shaw Owner CodeHub India]

Dear Sir,

Let us discuss in without prejudice manner to get solution. I will prove that only solution is fight against corruption. (PFA) 

It is again appear as non - prudential resolution of the Last IIISLA meeting  without examining the ins-out of the action and it's effects. It was privilege were given to the surveyor for the majorities in the list. and that list were issued partially, which were prepared due to some court case at Delhi.

Now with this act, the 2nd list will be come out from the insurer office for the companies who are not at all belongs to any surveyors and priority of the option of the principal surveyor will be ignored. 

Later on , EOI will be controlled by non-surveyor companies where IIISLA will not get any place of points to stair such non-surveyor companies.

Now for the principal surveyor, most of the surveyor's earning are below Rs 10000/- per month and among them most of the surveyor will be ready to be a principal surveyor of that non-surveyor companies at his last residual age of life even after loosing the IIISLA membership for earning Rs 25000/- per month of report signing job.

Than what IIISLA body will do? is IIISLA is able to manufacture the claim job for their members.

after snake bite and follow up recovery please do not kill the snake but try to explore on interaction with the snake as why had snake bite. and it's appears as (a) High ICR Incured claim ratio (b) High Over heads with no cost cutting (c) solvency margin.

Than Why ICR High, it is due to the lack of skill force and existance of scam due to improper regulation of different bodies.

If insurer will pay ICR below 35% with eliminating the scam with the help of surveyor than where is the problem of insurer to pay surveyor ALAE ( allocated Loss adjustment expenses ) 18 % of premium collect and that will cause three times as compare to existing GIPSA survey schedules.

Please think about the limitation of the IRDA and MOF as most of them are not at all as chartered engineer who are capable to apply reverse engineering computation of any assessment for feasibility test. and they run on the basis of available data of the test and trail method. who are dependent on the share market spike and fluctuation due to the foreign  investment gradient. who are those foreign investor as those who are investing in under develop or developing companies. and accordingly they are advising the administrator that we are facing the clock.

That does not mean those administrator or investor are wanting to exist in corruption in a non - solvency environment. 

if any one or organisation will help to implement the scam free practice they will be rather please and surveyor have only option as per attached mail copy to fight against corruption.. and avoid the anti - revolution which will again deteriorate further as due to the existence of week accounting/ administrative system of the IIISLA and it's member.

Please do not put axes at your own feet on issuing the show cause notice.

with regards

Sanjay Shaw

9831085519

On Sunday, March 25, 2018 at 11:55:01 AM UTC+5:30, S. Anoop Kumar wrote:

Dear Sir,

A straight and simple answer - Our very own surveyor brothers who have become greedy who would like to use the situation, exploit the small time surveyors and gradually kill the profession for good. 

A crooked answer - the wolves with the sheep's skin.

A not so very shocking answer - some of them are some of our past or present elected members at various levels or their staunch supporters or followers who participated in the EOI exercise with some dummy names or benamis.

Let's keep watching the developments as they unfold and identify these culprits or traitors of the profession and throw them out to save our profession. 

Regards, 

S Anoop Kumar. 

On Sun 25 Mar, 2018, 11:11 J.k Sharma, <dadashre...@gmail.com> wrote:

Who is behind thaese

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[S. Anoop Kumar]

Mr. Rajarshi Dutta,

Don't try to shoot the messenger.  I only reported the event as a news reporter does his job.  I am not and never claimed to be an official spokesman of IIISLA CC.  You can make your own efforts to get more information from the others known to you or from the CC members directly. 

Regarding the minutes of the meeting, there was a demand from a few to record the minutes and share it with the members by placing it on the IIISLA  website.  I do not know if any decision was taken on that issue.

Regards, 

S Anoop Kumar. 

On Sun 25 Mar, 2018, 13:47 Rajarshi Dutta, <dutta.r...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

Dear Anoop Sir,

1)Can we expect a"MINUTES OF MEETING" TO BE PUBLISHED BY THE IIISLA CC????? This I am asking you as you appear to be the spokesperson from your mail.

2) Can we expect a time bound implementation of the decisions and there proper follow ups????? 

3) Can we expect that the IIISLA top brass will show enough guts to give exemplary punishment to those who are hell bent to take AWAY FOOD FROM THE MOUTH OF SURVEYORS AND THEIR FAMILIES.

4)CAN WE EXPECT THAT LEGITIMATE LEGAL ACTION WILL BE TAKEN AGAINST THE INSURERS FOR OUTSOURCING SURVEY JOBS????? As because our President , as we all know, is extremely afraid of taking action, in fear of loosing his own jobs.

Lot of questions in our mind which we feel you are the best person to answer.

Regards

Rajarshi

[Rajarshi Dutta]

Dear Anoop Sir,

1)Can we expect a"MINUTES OF MEETING" TO BE PUBLISHED BY THE IIISLA CC????? This I am asking you as you appear to be the spokesperson from your mail.

2) Can we expect a time bound implementation of the decisions and there proper follow ups????? 

3) Can we expect that the IIISLA top brass will show enough guts to give exemplary punishment to those who are hell bent to take AWAY FOOD FROM THE MOUTH OF SURVEYORS AND THEIR FAMILIES.

4)CAN WE EXPECT THAT LEGITIMATE LEGAL ACTION WILL BE TAKEN AGAINST THE INSURERS FOR OUTSOURCING SURVEY JOBS????? As because our President , as we all know, is extremely afraid of taking action, in fear of loosing his own jobs.

Lot of questions in our mind which we feel you are the best person to answer.

Regards

Rajarshi

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[J.k Sharma]

Sh. Sanjay Shaw Ji,

You may have worked hard to come out from the situation as your explanation clears the doubt about the future planning of the traitors. But  I little differ from lines when you write that due to lack of skill from the surveyor community caused to raise the ICR in the insurance business. 

You have gone through the Toyota email, in which you have explained that the repairers are charging 3 times more than the actual expenses in painting and every year there is a loss of crores in the name of Painting only. Similarly the cos. has issued the different loss-making policy in the name of marketing and under the pressure of Govt. Agencies. These all are straightway responsible for the high Incurred claim Ratio. The insurers are paying, Infra, Low Premium, Full panel Painting, High Schedule painting and other benefits. The lowest Premium and highest pay of. this is the only ICR. The surveyor has to maintain the transparency and impartiality and have to assess the loss as per the terms and condition of the policy. There is No question of deliberately increasing ICR. It is only the marketing strategy of the insurer. The surveyor means the custodian of the policyholder rights as well as the money of the insurer. At least you will be convinced that our community is well trained Trusted and qualified than the in-house employees and the EOI worker. The Insurance cos. are saved as we are here.

We are charging 1/3 of the fee collected in premium even then are being blamed for High ICR.  

The game is being played by the money maker only. Nobody interested in saving the insurance profession or surveyors. The opportunists are trying to sell the profession in one go to make money.

The only way is to punish the traitors, keep them away from the profession. The way you prefer.  

With Regard's

dadashree.sharma.

Karnal (HR) -132001

9354108188

9034108188

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[Ashraff Tim]

Dear All

Have any one noticed, the Double faced moron Lalit Gupta, stealing the show in the Hyderabad Meeting.  The shameless fellow who is in favor of EOI (Who knows as to how many awardees/firms he has direct involvement including the Company in his wife's  name) and instrumental in bringing the profession to almost an end was trying impress upon the members  that he is the savior of the profession. 

Nobody has forgotten his presentation in NIC HO with the support of the Kerala Surveyors  and his absence from meeting called by other PSU Insurers to discuss EOI are proof of his crooked and greedy mind

Now he is preparing his sycophants for the next election and to have the last laugh.

Members beware!!!! 

On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 11:54 AM, S. Anoop Kumar <s.anoo...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Sir,

A straight and simple answer - Our very own surveyor brothers who have become greedy who would like to use the situation, exploit the small time surveyors and gradually kill the profession for good. 

A crooked answer - the wolves with the sheep's skin.

A not so very shocking answer - some of them are some of our past or present elected members at various levels or their staunch supporters or followers who participated in the EOI exercise with some dummy names or benamis.

Let's keep watching the developments as they unfold and identify these culprits or traitors of the profession and throw them out to save our profession. 

Regards, 

S Anoop Kumar. 

On Sun 25 Mar, 2018, 11:11 J.k Sharma, <dadashre...@gmail.com> wrote:

Who is behind thaese

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Very good idea. We should act on war footing.

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[S. Anoop Kumar]

Dear Friends,

The effect of yesterday's meeting held at Hyderabad and the decision taken to initiate disciplinary proceedings against the contract surveyors who have been empanelled by OICL to service claims falling within the No Survey Limits is already showing.

Received information that a senior surveyor from Rajasthan who participated in the OICL EOI exercise and was empanelled has withdrawn his offer and communicated to that effect to Rajasthan Chapter,  the CC members and also to OICL management. 

This is a good development and more are likely to follow and withdraw to avoid disciplinary action and suspension of membership from IIISLA.

The CC members deserve to be congratulated for initiating the exercise and they should seriously pursue the decision taken yesterday and set into motion the actions as planned to prove they mean business.

Regards,

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Unless you name the person. This looks to be the rumour. Persons from Rajasthan have denied it. Contrarily EOI allottees are preparing for fight. 

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[Debashis Karmakar]

Dear All,

I appreciate the answers from Shri Anoop Kumar ji and J.K Sharma ji to the question from Shri  Rajarshi and men of this type, trying to bring attention to their person of choice, even in this crucial period when all are busy to save fraternity and solve prblems to fraternity with the way of smooth and error less by accumulating thoughts of every corner of country. The video clips of some moment when the debates  are in  loudly  by  Past Prez. Shri Lalit as his usual voice to dominating members in past(but no action to authority or any adverse).

We are thankful to our Secretary, President and C.C members for the initiation of this type meeting, which is beginning  to take some concrete steps against those or those matters chasing the entire community of Surveyor Kind and the profession.

Regards,

DEBASHIS KARMAKAR

On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 12:15 PM, Dulal Das <dula...@gmail.com> wrote:

I enquired about the collective decision of Central Council about EOI. Mr. Shivaprakash, Tanmoy & Naishad replied in Negative - that is no decision.  That might be the reason for calling meeting. Our AOA states all decisions to be taken by CC and implemented by Prez outside IIISLA. This was not done. Had it been done, IIISLA need not to call such meeting thereby could have saved our money. Even WP filed has to be called as none is Aware what was written.

Regulation needed to be challenged and not done. Members from Maharashtra and Bengal did challenge it. In NE it was tried but failed as members were busy with qualifications only and get carried away by tall promise of CC leaders that the same was going to be scrapped. When the Act allowed such thing, regulations have to follow the Act and in near future the Act might be reinstalled by regulation. This aspect was not understood by members.

The meeting exposed hypocrisy of so called saviour of independent members. The video cannot help them.

D C Das

On Mar 26, 2018 11:11, "veerbhadrappa m" <vmaha...@gmail.com> wrote:

As per the mail information available IIISLA Office bearers will not answer any clarification. But we have to pay annual subscription in time other VB wise they leave penalty. Now if they legally fight and see that Private Agencies is abolished.We will solute our Leaders.                     Veerabhadrappa. Raichur

On Mon, 26 Mar 2018, 9:34 a.m. J.k Sharma, <dadashre...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Rajrishi Ji, 

Yes, The members present at the meeting were of the opinion that the membership should be canceled with immediate effect.As the Oriental Insurance Co. has declared the name hence no further inquiries are required. Most of the members were of the same opinion and was a great chaos.

There was another opinion that in the case of Innovative surveyor whose membership was canceled was challenged in court on the basis that a notice was not served properly, Hence, a team was taking the decision on the same. The video shown or recorded may show some different, 

The haste may creat adversity which may dangerous in future. The final decision was taken anonymously and perhaps the action is being taken. 

Somewhere, I differ that the meeting was called with the Chairman Chapters and ex CC members who have already failed in the move. In my opinion, the meeting of intellectuals and dedicated members was required to find out a solid solution. Only to throw out the participants is not the solution. It is the challenge to the insurance co. also. To seek action and viral a video will solve the problem. We require the intelligent decision, which can be made by the team of intellectuals only. 

We must call a meeting of those fellows( from the community} who are capable and intelligent to solve such type of the issue. Why we are looking for the president or ex-president. They are totally incapable, all have happened in their presence. 

The scene of CC you have observed that was like a political debate on TV channels. Nobody was thinking about the profession but want to upload a video go viral in members. 

If I ask a simple question that, Where he was, when the all adverse amendments were taken? What initiatives were taken against those amendments? The present and Past are the same. The viral Videos, viral news are only to divert the mind, otherwise, Auto Risk, ARMS, Mahindra First Choice, Mack, Arun Kumar, Dhurva, are the same thing.

I am of the opinion that we should not totally depend on CC but go for the team of intellectuals and dedicated otherwise we are bound to suffer only.  

This is my personal and you may differ.       

With Regard's

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On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 11:45 PM, 'Rajarshi Dutta' via Insurance Surveyors India <insurance-surveyors-india@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Dear Anoop Sir

I quote"The CC members deserve to be congratulated for initiating the exercise and they should seriously pursue the decision taken yesterday and set into motion the actions as planned to prove they mean business" 

Which CC members are you congratulating!!!!!!!!!!! All the videos that are roaming around only shows Lalit Gupta all around. Pushing, nudging sometimes almost forcing the house to take concrete decisions against culprits. You may call me sycophant but the mirror shows the truth!!! 

The same Lalit Gupta whose family was not even spared. Can you tell me where was President in Yesterdays SAGA. What was his contribution???? 

Now the ball is in GREAT CC'S COURT. WE WILL VIGOROUSLY FOLLOW,HOW MANY DAYS THEY TAKE TO SUSPEND THE CULPRITS AND TAKE LEGAL ACTION AGAINST OICL?????? NOTICE SHOULD BE IMMEDIATELY SEND TO UIICL ALSO, AS THEY ARE PLANNING TO LAUNCH EOI.

THE ENTIRE FRATERNITY WILL KEEP A SHARP EYE ON CCs. LETS SEE WHAT THEY DO AND HOW FAST THEY DO.

Regards

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[Chand Bhatia]

Mr Dulal has given absolutely unbiased and a mture opinion. But in video clipping Mr Tanmoy is seen as proposing for action  against EOI Allottes and also their associates. 

How Mr Dulal is writing that three CC members negated on issue with Mr Tanmoy included.

What ever is to happen will come out in near future. But few people decided the issue like done on B F with same arrogance and issue is likely to face same fate as of BF. 

But one thing is sure that members in general do not support the decision in total. The decision shall further divide surveyors which is the need if the day. 

On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 at 12:15 PM, Dulal Das <dula...@gmail.com> wrote:

I enquired about the collective decision of Central Council about EOI. Mr. Shivaprakash, Tanmoy & Naishad replied in Negative - that is no decision.  That might be the reason for calling meeting. Our AOA states all decisions to be taken by CC and implemented by Prez outside IIISLA. This was not done. Had it been done, IIISLA need not to call such meeting thereby could have saved our money. Even WP filed has to be called as none is Aware what was written.

Regulation needed to be challenged and not done. Members from Maharashtra and Bengal did challenge it. In NE it was tried but failed as members were busy with qualifications only and get carried away by tall promise of CC leaders that the same was going to be scrapped. When the Act allowed such thing, regulations have to follow the Act and in near future the Act might be reinstalled by regulation. This aspect was not understood by members.

The meeting exposed hypocrisy of so called saviour of independent members. The video cannot help them.

D C Das

On Mar 26, 2018 11:11, "veerbhadrappa m" <vmaha...@gmail.com> wrote:

As per the mail information available IIISLA Office bearers will not answer any clarification. But we have to pay annual subscription in time other VB wise they leave penalty. Now if they legally fight and see that Private Agencies is abolished.We will solute our Leaders.                     Veerabhadrappa. Raichur

On Mon, 26 Mar 2018, 9:34 a.m. J.k Sharma, <dadashre...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Rajrishi Ji, 

Yes, The members present at the meeting were of the opinion that the membership should be canceled with immediate effect.As the Oriental Insurance Co. has declared the name hence no further inquiries are required. Most of the members were of the same opinion and was a great chaos.

There was another opinion that in the case of Innovative surveyor whose membership was canceled was challenged in court on the basis that a notice was not served properly, Hence, a team was taking the decision on the same. The video shown or recorded may show some different, 

The haste may creat adversity which may dangerous in future. The final decision was taken anonymously and perhaps the action is being taken. 

Somewhere, I differ that the meeting was called with the Chairman Chapters and ex CC members who have already failed in the move. In my opinion, the meeting of intellectuals and dedicated members was required to find out a solid solution. Only to throw out the participants is not the solution. It is the challenge to the insurance co. also. To seek action and viral a video will solve the problem. We require the intelligent decision, which can be made by the team of intellectuals only. 

We must call a meeting of those fellows( from the community} who are capable and intelligent to solve such type of the issue. Why we are looking for the president or ex-president. They are totally incapable, all have happened in their presence. 

The scene of CC you have observed that was like a political debate on TV channels. Nobody was thinking about the profession but want to upload a video go viral in members. 

If I ask a simple question that, Where he was, when the all adverse amendments were taken? What initiatives were taken against those amendments? The present and Past are the same. The viral Videos, viral news are only to divert the mind, otherwise, Auto Risk, ARMS, Mahindra First Choice, Mack, Arun Kumar, Dhurva, are the same thing.

I am of the opinion that we should not totally depend on CC but go for the team of intellectuals and dedicated otherwise we are bound to suffer only.  

This is my personal and you may differ.       

With Regard's

dadashree.sharma

Karnal (HR) -132001

9354108188

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On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 11:45 PM, 'Rajarshi Dutta' via Insurance Surveyors India <insurance-su...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Dear Anoop Sir

I quote"The CC members deserve to be congratulated for initiating the exercise and they should seriously pursue the decision taken yesterday and set into motion the actions as planned to prove they mean business" 

Which CC members are you congratulating!!!!!!!!!!! All the videos that are roaming around only shows Lalit Gupta all around. Pushing, nudging sometimes almost forcing the house to take concrete decisions against culprits. You may call me sycophant but the mirror shows the truth!!! 

The same Lalit Gupta whose family was not even spared. Can you tell me where was President in Yesterdays SAGA. What was his contribution???? 

Now the ball is in GREAT CC'S COURT. WE WILL VIGOROUSLY FOLLOW,HOW MANY DAYS THEY TAKE TO SUSPEND THE CULPRITS AND TAKE LEGAL ACTION AGAINST OICL?????? NOTICE SHOULD BE IMMEDIATELY SEND TO UIICL ALSO, AS THEY ARE PLANNING TO LAUNCH EOI.

THE ENTIRE FRATERNITY WILL KEEP A SHARP EYE ON CCs. LETS SEE WHAT THEY DO AND HOW FAST THEY DO.

Regards

Rajarshi

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Dear Mr. Chinmoy Mondal and Mr. Rajarshi Dutta,

One can be an admirer or a fan or follower of someone, or one can be a loyalist, and one can be a sycophant too where one can clap, tap, dance and praise the leader for every deed done and support even if there is misdeed or a wrong decision.  You both have crossed even the third level and stooped down to the next lower level.

The meeting at Hyderabad went on from 11.15 am onwards and upto 06.00 pm or could be longer than that with about 40-45 minutes lunch break.  I left at 04.30 pm.  Several members spoke on the issue and everyone was allowed to express himself.  Some spoke soft, sweet and short. Some spoke eloquently at length.  And some spoke in a high and agitated tone venting out their anguish and frustration. 

But there was also one who spoke loud, trying to disrupt others, never listening to others as if his main and only agenda was to create ruckus and spoil the meeting.  He was speaking without any sense only insisting and shouting that action be taken immediately and insisting that the CC take a decision right immediately.  He was told by several that due process of law has to be followed and that inputs of the meeting will be guiding the CC in arriving at a fair decision in a given time frame. But the loud mouth was hell bent in creating ruckus than getting a suitable, workable and implementable solution.  He was requested and even shouted by a few to sit down and keep quite.  

He was also countered by some members as to what he has done during his tenure as Secretary, and later as the President of IIISLA and how a Delhi based contract surveyor who was hastily removed from the register of members approached court and obtained a stay order causing IIISLA a  great embarrassment. He had no convincing answer except to shout back and resort to making counter allegations. 

Few fellows have taken a few select video clips and circulated them which are providing only one fellow talking for few minutes and you quote those video clips and make us believe that there was only one speaker in the entire meeting lasting more than 6 hours and it's because of him that the decision was taken. 

The decision, whatever was taken, was taken by the CC based on the inputs from all the members, not just one or two.  So stop your sycophancy par excellence and stop shooting off your mouths with your nonsensical rhetoric.

If you have any questions, please ask the CC members and seek their replies.  I am not inclined to reply to your nonsensical and idiotic questions, or to be drawn into a street brawl.

Regards,

S Anoop Kumar.

On 26 Mar 2018, at 12:52, Chinmoy Mondal <chin...@gmail.com> wrote:

The Fraud star has come again...  

Chinmoy Mondal

Surveyor & Loss Assessor

[Dulal Das]

The AOA sated following:

45. Subject to the Provisions of the Act, the President of the Council shall act as representative of the Institute in all its affairs. He shall conduct and manage all matters in

accordance with the provisions of these regulations and of all resolutions of the Council 

and of all general meetings, and may arrange, adjourn and otherwise regulate all meetings 

and proceedings of the Council. 

(Emphases added).

D C DAS

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Bhatiaji, please see my mail as a whole, the view asked was during LG' s tenure.

This shows how IIISLA was run. Unless one has the experience of collective work, any CC member without going through the AOA will be a puppet of anybody strong enough to mould.

In the last part of March , the meet was called considering the gravity of the problem which shows that present CC means business. Further, a few were bent to prove by using the opportunity which Anoopji exposed. Others, attended as a matter of responsibility and duty. This resulted in a fruitful decision for implementation. An example of Sabka Saath, Sabka mission.

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[Sanjay Shaw Owner CodeHub India]

Dear Sharma ji,

This IS the dimension of spray

Recommended PSI for Primer 30 PSI,  Base: 40 PSI and Clear coat 70 PSI

where 1 CFM ( Cubic Fit Per Minute)  = 45 PSI

OK  paint component average wet density : 960 gm / liter  @ Rs 1500/- per liter 

Please calculate  Primer per sq. ft       spray time ?     Spray quantity w/o droplet ?   Paint cost?      

Please calculate  base per sq. ft       spray time ?     Spray quantity w/o droplet ?   Paint cost? 

Please calculate  clear per sq. ft       spray time ?     Spray quantity w/o droplet ?   Paint cost?   

Please remember as per timing manual of all manufacturer the fender painting have given as range from 1.9 hr to 2.1 hr.

for sq ft area range 3.4 sq.ft to 4.2 sq.ft

Please calculate all above and give us the figure which will only reflect the max deposit amount will be RS 180/- for new fender for paint time 1.9 hrs.

than what should be the assessment i.e. 180/- less 50% Plus 1.9 X 200 ( Man hours) == 490/- only than why all are allowing 3400/- on tie up schedule .

Yes it is the scam of 7 times per panel.

If surveyor will do work proper ICR will be below 35%.

Remember, In Kolkata National Insurance ICR is below 42 % but in you Karnal (HR) it is beyond 80%

In you area- what is the claim strike rate?,  what is the avg claim?,  avg track speed?  

remember, comp veh Paint schedule is 10 % of the new vehicle ???  it is worse in the world.

India Insurance OD rate is well ahead where insurer / repairer are not providing the spare vehicle during restoration time. as Indian estimate or surveyor report agreement never mention the required restoration time.

Than How we will penetrate the Insurance business in India. is it all headache to the IRDA / MOF / and investors.

We love our son because you know why?    Please try to invest money / time to pet dog a lot piously. you will feel the seance of love after departure of pet dog.

why we will avail this profession to commit scam of assessment. and what is called profession?

Please do not take it other wise, I am also victim of the circumstances that surveyor's are compelled to do that but escaped out on getting the such job as it's no matter for me being owner of high rented properties. But think about surveyor, who are wholly dependent on surveying and being exploited on every angle.

What do you think in future, no surveyor or claim officer is required for the in house limit motor claim.  than what so called traitor will do. 

Have you gone through the IMF Regulation of IRDA, get it down load that Insurance marketing firm can also keep licence surveyor and and conduct inspection of all jobs. Do you want to look all dealer point to be IRDA IMF firm in future...being a corporate they are dictating every things and our regional manager visiting work shop advisor chap to get mental satisfaction voucher. what a hell situation it is existing now?

Are Yar scam Declear karo na. sab kuch thik ho jawega.   all corporate surveyor will be automatically turn to be individual surveyor.

KEYO KI JIO TO IJJAT SE JIO......

With regards

Sanjay Shaw

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[Rajarshi Dutta]

Dear Anoop Sir

I quote"The CC members deserve to be congratulated for initiating the exercise and they should seriously pursue the decision taken yesterday and set into motion the actions as planned to prove they mean business" 

Which CC members are you congratulating!!!!!!!!!!! All the videos that are roaming around only shows Lalit Gupta all around. Pushing, nudging sometimes almost forcing the house to take concrete decisions against culprits. You may call me sycophant but the mirror shows the truth!!! 

The same Lalit Gupta whose family was not even spared. Can you tell me where was President in Yesterdays SAGA. What was his contribution???? 

Now the ball is in GREAT CC'S COURT. WE WILL VIGOROUSLY FOLLOW,HOW MANY DAYS THEY TAKE TO SUSPEND THE CULPRITS AND TAKE LEGAL ACTION AGAINST OICL?????? NOTICE SHOULD BE IMMEDIATELY SEND TO UIICL ALSO, AS THEY ARE PLANNING TO LAUNCH EOI.

THE ENTIRE FRATERNITY WILL KEEP A SHARP EYE ON CCs. LETS SEE WHAT THEY DO AND HOW FAST THEY DO.

Regards

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[Dulal Das]

I enquired about the collective decision of Central Council about EOI. Mr. Shivaprakash, Tanmoy & Naishad replied in Negative - that is no decision.  That might be the reason for calling meeting. Our AOA states all decisions to be taken by CC and implemented by Prez outside IIISLA. This was not done. Had it been done, IIISLA need not to call such meeting thereby could have saved our money. Even WP filed has to be called as none is Aware what was written.

Regulation needed to be challenged and not done. Members from Maharashtra and Bengal did challenge it. In NE it was tried but failed as members were busy with qualifications only and get carried away by tall promise of CC leaders that the same was going to be scrapped. When the Act allowed such thing, regulations have to follow the Act and in near future the Act might be reinstalled by regulation. This aspect was not understood by members.

The meeting exposed hypocrisy of so called saviour of independent members. The video cannot help them.

D C Das

On Mar 26, 2018 11:11, "veerbhadrappa m" <vmaha...@gmail.com> wrote:

As per the mail information available IIISLA Office bearers will not answer any clarification. But we have to pay annual subscription in time other VB wise they leave penalty. Now if they legally fight and see that Private Agencies is abolished.We will solute our Leaders.                     Veerabhadrappa. Raichur

On Mon, 26 Mar 2018, 9:34 a.m. J.k Sharma, <dadashre...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Rajrishi Ji, 

Yes, The members present at the meeting were of the opinion that the membership should be canceled with immediate effect.As the Oriental Insurance Co. has declared the name hence no further inquiries are required. Most of the members were of the same opinion and was a great chaos.

There was another opinion that in the case of Innovative surveyor whose membership was canceled was challenged in court on the basis that a notice was not served properly, Hence, a team was taking the decision on the same. The video shown or recorded may show some different, 

The haste may creat adversity which may dangerous in future. The final decision was taken anonymously and perhaps the action is being taken. 

Somewhere, I differ that the meeting was called with the Chairman Chapters and ex CC members who have already failed in the move. In my opinion, the meeting of intellectuals and dedicated members was required to find out a solid solution. Only to throw out the participants is not the solution. It is the challenge to the insurance co. also. To seek action and viral a video will solve the problem. We require the intelligent decision, which can be made by the team of intellectuals only. 

We must call a meeting of those fellows( from the community} who are capable and intelligent to solve such type of the issue. Why we are looking for the president or ex-president. They are totally incapable, all have happened in their presence. 

The scene of CC you have observed that was like a political debate on TV channels. Nobody was thinking about the profession but want to upload a video go viral in members. 

If I ask a simple question that, Where he was, when the all adverse amendments were taken? What initiatives were taken against those amendments? The present and Past are the same. The viral Videos, viral news are only to divert the mind, otherwise, Auto Risk, ARMS, Mahindra First Choice, Mack, Arun Kumar, Dhurva, are the same thing.

I am of the opinion that we should not totally depend on CC but go for the team of intellectuals and dedicated otherwise we are bound to suffer only.  

This is my personal and you may differ.       

With Regard's

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[Rajarshi Dutta]

Dear Anoop Sir,

My intention was not to shoot the messenger. But whom do General Surveyors Question??? IIISLA management never shares MOM with general surveyors. Neither do IIISLA management at present are transparent enough to share  details with general members. 

So the option is Anoop Kumar. Your sources in IIISLA top management are far better than ours. So I will keep on questioning you as long as you are posting updates.

I hope my answer will satisfy you.

Regards

Rajarshi 

[J.k Sharma]

Dear Rajrishi Ji, 

Yes, The members present at the meeting were of the opinion that the membership should be canceled with immediate effect.As the Oriental Insurance Co. has declared the name hence no further inquiries are required. Most of the members were of the same opinion and was a great chaos.

There was another opinion that in the case of Innovative surveyor whose membership was canceled was challenged in court on the basis that a notice was not served properly, Hence, a team was taking the decision on the same. The video shown or recorded may show some different, 

The haste may creat adversity which may dangerous in future. The final decision was taken anonymously and perhaps the action is being taken. 

Somewhere, I differ that the meeting was called with the Chairman Chapters and ex CC members who have already failed in the move. In my opinion, the meeting of intellectuals and dedicated members was required to find out a solid solution. Only to throw out the participants is not the solution. It is the challenge to the insurance co. also. To seek action and viral a video will solve the problem. We require the intelligent decision, which can be made by the team of intellectuals only. 

We must call a meeting of those fellows( from the community} who are capable and intelligent to solve such type of the issue. Why we are looking for the president or ex-president. They are totally incapable, all have happened in their presence. 

The scene of CC you have observed that was like a political debate on TV channels. Nobody was thinking about the profession but want to upload a video go viral in members. 

If I ask a simple question that, Where he was, when the all adverse amendments were taken? What initiatives were taken against those amendments? The present and Past are the same. The viral Videos, viral news are only to divert the mind, otherwise, Auto Risk, ARMS, Mahindra First Choice, Mack, Arun Kumar, Dhurva, are the same thing.

I am of the opinion that we should not totally depend on CC but go for the team of intellectuals and dedicated otherwise we are bound to suffer only.  

This is my personal and you may differ.       

With Regard's

dadashree.sharma

Karnal (HR) -132001

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[Dulal Das]

Bhatiaji, please see my mail as a whole, the view asked was during LG' s tenure.

This shows how IIISLA was run. Unless one has the experience of collective work, any CC member without going through the AOA will be a puppet of anybody strong enough to mould.

In the last part of March , the meet was called considering the gravity of the problem which shows that present CC means business. Further, a few were bent to prove by using the opportunity which Anoopji exposed. Others, attended as a matter of responsibility and duty. This resulted in a fruitful decision for implementation. An example of Sabka Saath, Sabka mission.

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[Dadashree.Sharma]

Dear Members:

Again we are going for a street brawl in the name of Lalit Gupta and his sycophant, I could not understand why the intellectual involving him in such an important matter of survival. He was president of the association, now has gone, then why are waisting the short and crucial time.

I am sure that neither the Sect. Nor the president is capable to stop it, only a collective and willful act can make some relief. I admit that the president is our representative outside the IIISLA, but internally we can choose a team of intellectuals, intelligent and dedicated persons.

I will again appreciate that the CC called the meeting for further action of course, but it would have more effect if the meeting of selective and intelligent members was to be called. We observe the ruckus instead of discussion, a cockfight of personal matters, and making the rooms for the offenders.

my respected members, please listen to me only once, Select a team from the community to counter the situation immediately, we have large and good stuff like the other associations, we have sufficient fund, resources, brain, and approach.

We are going to held chapter level meetings and the participating members may suggest some eligible members be in committee and inform to the president or sect. Out of them, 5 to 10 members may be selected for the final committee, this can be done in 2 to 3 days only. I am sure that this can bring an expecting result.

Hope you will give a positive response. 

[Kaplesh Krishan Bayala]

I do appreciate the suggestion of  Sh Dada Shree Sharma.

We should concentrate on his advise and act propmptly.

We are loosing time wherein others are getting time. Time is veru crucial.Let us Act.

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