Fw: NOTICE REG, SEMINARS / TRAINING FROM IIISLA

[vipin shukla]

From notice, it expressed that seminar/trainning programe in north, initiated from Lucknow to Mathura to Surajkund Faridabad and now Khalidabad [Gorakhpur], Gauhati are valid and authorised by IIISLA beacause all these programe are floated on IIISLA website.

Any comments from so-called professional bloggers.

 

With regards.

 

Vipin Kumar Shukla,

Panel Surveyor/Lucknow,

+91-9415002675 

 

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Subject: NOTICE REG, SEMINARS / TRAINING FROM IIISLA

Dear Friends,

Please find the attached Notice on IIISLA website, regarding workshops and training programs under the banner of IIISLA.

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Prajith kumar.I.P.

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[Chand Bhatia]

Some thing to satisfy yourself. The recognition has to come from IRDA and what is discussed in Faridabad Seminar and spoken by the council member does not say so. Council member clearly said, that IIISLA has written to IRDA of what they are doing, but without any reply from IRDA. 

Then why the attendence register and free entries are not being disclosed. Why the account of Lucknow Seminar is not given with supporting documents is not known. Why the facts of the seminar are being concealed. 

The fact is that these seminars are not intended to enhance the knowledge and hence the facts are being concealed. 

C K BHATIA

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[vipin shukla]

Mr. Bhatia,

 

Writing on board is so simple then execute of a task. almost the Surveyors of Faridabad were in support of this view. Can you explain for postpone of Ram Nagar which was your initiative.

I have submitted all the account to chapter. In absence of a voucher of sound system, supporting documents are not submitted still. We are in huge deficit and it was informed already. We are working on a constructive side and you are raising only fingers on our integrity which can not be tolerate, please note.

Mr. Bhatia, You are creating nu-sense as writing the mails in morning while we are preparing the survey reports and you are free from any survey. Please also note, from such activities, you are loosing respect from common surveyors. 

We are also interested to know about your participation in Khalilabad.

 

Vipin Kumar Shukla,

Panel Surveyor/Lucknow,

+91-9415002675 

 

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From: Chand Bhatia <bhatia...@gmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, 7 October 2013 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: {Surveyors:18283} Fw: NOTICE REG, SEMINARS / TRAINING FROM IIISLA

[Chand Bhatia]

Dear Mr Shukla

There are few persons who can stand such situation like the one you are in. This is for certain that there is no transparency in the working of IIISLA and many of its sub divisional forums also. You are one of the same that even an inquiry of any activity is considered to be a criticism and instead of coming to straight reply you start abusing. Using the words like Nu sense etc. is just sign of that. 

You and the surveyors, in Faridabad, who opined, that writing mails is difficult, are right. Because anything that comes in writing becomes a record and verbally you can keep on saying anything and even back out of it. Like you have not got anything in writing while conducting Kanpur Unit Elections and have even failed to show it to members. I have come to know that even you have failed to give the results in writing. It is due to this reason that people shy to write and hide. 

As regards my attending Khalilabad Seminar, You have written that "We are also interested to know about your participation in Khalilabad.". It is a very interesting inquiry raised by you. But who are the "WE" in addition to you who are keen to know about my attending the Khalalbad meet and what is your part in this meet.

C K BHATIA

[Chand Bhatia]

Dear Mr Shukla

One thing more that, I forgot to write about. The Ram Nagar Seminar. The seminar was initiated by Moradabad and on the call of them I along with almost 20 more surveyors attended a meet at Moradabad. However looking at the rush of seminars organised at Lucknow, Mathura, Faridabad and most of the attendees being same in all of them, It was felt by Moradabad Team of surveyors, who initiated, that this is unfair with the surveyors to collect so much of amount one after the other and then forcing them also to abstain from their work. Accordingly Moradabad decided to postpone the same to give breather to the surveyors. Though I was not an initiator of the seminar, but I was certainly made a member of the team to work for the seminar. Since the seminar is now postponed. Other details will be made known in due course. 

C K BHATIA

On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 10:05 AM, vipin shukla <vipin_sh...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

[vipin shukla]

what do you mean by"The seminar was initiated by Moradabad ". Who eas represented Moradabad and who call you and in what capacity. Why it was postpone. What about collection made by organizers.

Bhatia ji, KUCHH KHUL KAR BOLIYE.

  

 With regards.

 

Vipin Kumar Shukla,

Panel Surveyor/Lucknow,

+91-9415002675 

 

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Sent: Monday, 7 October 2013 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: {Surveyors:18286} Fw: NOTICE REG, SEMINARS / TRAINING FROM IIISLA

[Mrinal]

Dear All,

Is the new New Regulation, 2013 of SLA's implemented? If, yes, why modified licence is not issued. If, no, then how these seminars will get credit from IRDA as per new Regulation.

As per Update from Council 1st Apr,2013, it was stated "10. It was decided to approach NIA and also III for setting up Educational & Training Modules for Surveyors under auspices of IIISLA".

Is IIISLA has adopted any such module and got approval from IRDA? If, yes, why the module has not up loaded in the web site for knowledge of General Member. Please Note , each member has paid minimum Rs. 16500/- to become Member of IIISLA and hence, enjoys right to know these information.

In IISA regime such seminars were organized in same manner & publicity. Later on many SLA had wasted their money.

Regarding "Gauhati" Seminar Cum TP, the organizer used the spelling of more than 20  years Old, which is now spell as Guwahati.

Please refer to different program schedule published in the different group broad by different organizer. We the Guwahati based surveyors know what is going on and in which direction.

From the present situation, I can only guess that worst days are coming for surveyors.

 

Mrinal Pathak,

Mobile : 9864061309 & 9435112279

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[J.k Sharma]

Respected Girimaji. 

Thanks for your positive attitude towards the IIISLA, It should be, all the members who have paid the fee for the membership should be counted to be positive towards the IIISLA. Till date no body has criticized the IIISLA. 

What is objectionable, the un democratically appointed members who became the master of it used it as a PVT. Ltd. Co. for their personal benefit. They become the conspirator in the hand of I R D A for their short time benefit.The contract system was developed through these so called leader and the voice of General surveyor was crushed due to this. The training program. The Survey Fee Hike, The charter status. The Job rotation system. The benevolent fund and the group insurance  were no where in the agenda. What was enhanced that was the membership fee only. What for the fee was enhanced do you know, come on board please with some authentic reason because some of us are not clear about it. 

Your quote:  If the worst day for the surveyor is coming than why should not we quite it? The so many capable persons, who was in the position to quite the profession has quite it silently, Some of us has joined the contract surveyor, Some of us surviving hand to mouth. Some of us are looking for the other business. I have a good contact through out India with our surveyors brother and often we talk about the changes in profession Negative or positive. I can submit the list to you.

 Why do we cry for IIISLA? Since 90's we have  associations with different names, have raised the issues in favor of our profession.Now we are the member of a Nation wide association and expect that, this association is capable to do some thing in the favor of the profession but some common mistakes are being visually performed by the so called un democratic leader for their personal benefit and we being the bonafide member of the association, feel it our right to raise the voice/Alaram to save the profession at this common platform, Than what is wrong ? 

The Prime object of the Association is to educate the member through, Seminars, This is very essential for our profession because without update of knowledge we can not survive in the market. The association should organize the maximum  educational camp and seminars. The attendance should be compulsory for the members.No one can oppose the educational seminar and camps, Than What for the member object it? 

Some of the members, are using the seminars as a election campaigning , Do you remember before 6 Months or one year, How many seminars were organised and with in last some days how many and Where the seminar were organised. Every time you have seen the messages on the board that the huge money was collected by some particular persons in the name of the association and the account was not settled. I am not going to detail the old history but the topic is why we called the association time and again.

What was update and by whom,You can ask from the participant I am no body to comment as I was not the participant but the result was that these seminars were declared un authorized by some members, and latter on a letter was posted on board by the President of the association that the organised seminar should have the prior permission of the association. I have no business whether these were permitted or not but will say that the seminar should be educative not the profit making or personal camp. This is all. 

You are not under standing the spirit behind the association, The spirit behind this( In documents) was to update the members as per the development of the profession and to serve as a link between the members and the authority. But what it has became, the so called leaders choose it as a profession. They became almighty and out of reach of common surveyor. They set up as the contract surveyor and grabbed the profession. They sold their position in the hand of Pvt. Insurance co. and adopted all the illegal activity what they can to abolish the common surveyor. As the forth coming election is being expected so they are on action. 

Sh. Girima Ji, This is my opinion and reaction on your appearing mail on the board. You may not feel it good.I am writing it on behalf of a common surveyor.I am always without prejudice.  

With Regard's

From A Common Surveyor. 

On Mon, Oct 7, 2013 at 11:33 PM, GIRIMAJI ASHOK <avan...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Friends

Please understand that it is education & knowledge that will keep this profession alive. 

IIISLA has consented to authorise the training programmes under the banner of iiisla. Is it not a positive step in the right direction.

If worst days are coming for surveyors then why don't you quit. it is easier said than done.

I am not able to understand why surveyors are not trying to read the spirit behind IIISLA. It is basically meant for upgrading of knowledge. 

Why so much of importance is give to credit. 

Please try to improve the quality of knowledge being imparted in these gatherings. 

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[Mrinal Pathak]

Dear All,

 

Sharma Ji has rightly stated the position. It is easy to say something, but hard to do it. For last 8/10 years, I am in search of other option, but, I could not find out. I am a B & C categorised SLA. The Contract Surveyor snatched my Pre-Risk Inspection Survey (popularly known as valuation) and spot survey. There is no change in category for last 12/13 years. IDRA has categorised  us, imposed financial restriction and later on financial limit fixation had been handed over to Individual Insurance Company. Now, one B Category SLA can assess loss up to Rs.  50 lacs for one Insurer, but, the same surveyor cannot assess more than Rs. 2 lacs (recently it is increased to 4 lacs by some Insurers) for other Insurer. Before March, 2013, how many seminars were conducted by IIISLA for up grading knowledge of general surveyors. Please compare the activity of ILA.

 

After appointment Election Officer by IRDA, a section of Surveyors are involved in organizing seminars & TP. What is the hidden interest of those Surveyors ? To upgrade the Common Surveyors knowledge or reconfirm their position for future ?

 

In this era of Internet, you can enhance your knowledge every day, if you are really eager to learn.

 

In world's largest democratic country, some of SLAs believe in Selection Process to save the profession! It is their unprofessional character and hence interest is at peril.

 

Implementation date of New Regulation, 2013 has already crossed. But, the leaders have not stressed for implementation of New Regulation. If it is due to vacant Council Members (absence of elected president, secretary etc. in the council) , then, why the IIISLA has not submitted valid voter list timely for holding the Election.

 

As stated by Sharmaji, the Local Surveyors know what is going on their localities.

Mr. Girimaji, please take the burden of replying: "Whether the B & C Category SLAs are not up graded for 12/13 years due to poor knowledge? Do they require learning before Up-gradation?"

 

If you think so, please request IRDA to conduct an examination for all SLAs by an Independent Institute like III and do the categorization based on the performance of that examination.   

With Thanks & Regards,

Mrinal Pathak,
Surveyor & Assessor,
Mobile : 9864061309 & 9435112279

[love patel]

Dear Mr. Mrinal Pathak Ji, and Mr. Girimaji,

In ref to the trailing mail, "

Quote === For last 8/10 years, I am in search of other option, but, I could not find out. I am a B & C categorised SLA. The Contract Surveyor snatched my Pre-Risk Inspection Survey (popularly known as valuation) and spot survey. There is no change in category for last 12/13 years. IDRA has categorised  us, imposed financial restriction and later on financial limit fixation had been handed over to Individual Insurance Company. Now, one B Category SLA can assess loss up to Rs.  50 lacs for one Insurer, but, the same surveyor cannot assess more than Rs. 2 lacs (recently it is increased to 4 lacs by some Insurers) for other Insurer. Before March, 2013, how many seminars were conducted by IIISLA===

Submission :

Dear Sir/s,,

Every Surveyor seems frustated / irritated. The reason is not known to any one. The C category surveyor wants to become B category. B category (also felt by Mr. Pathak) tending to A category. The A category thinks of either B category or wants that limit should start from Zero to unlimited.

The Department restriction, again, should be removed.

Hardly few are satisfied.

Sir, Please think what has happened that most of us are dissatisfied. Is the Job (numbers of survey) has reduced or Income has slashed down ? or our expectation has become high. Own answer may help in coming out of the situation.
Please do one more exercise. Please see what is the best profeesion in your city and compare with all angles.

another point I would like to bring here that most of members who are not participating on the board is , either well satisfied and busy in profession or few of them do want to involve them self.

Another thought :

In case, if your family member asks for Jewellery. The choice is asked from you, " Either artificial or of Gold".
What would be the answer, even if cost does not matters. The natural answer will be artificial, with many of answers like it is current trend, matches with the chothing etc.

In my opinion, our profession is as good as the precious metal "GOLD". it will be tested all the time by new man / handler until branding of HAULMARKING is not there.

The Jeweleries are of 18 Ct to 22 Ct. The same is our working. I hope the message will be taken in right sprit & Positively.

Only thing what we can do is " make the services better in such a way that Gold shining could be compared and proov better against attractive artificial jwelleries. 

with warm regards

 

THANKS AND REGARDS

Love Patel
HIG 91, Bharhut Nagar
Satna
485001
Mobile 9425172741

[Mrinal Pathak]

Dear Mr. Patel,

Quote :

"Hardly few are satisfied"

Unquote :

These few satisfied SLAs are controlling/trying to controlling the profession. Many of the SLAs are thinking for to-day under compulsion. Hence, they are not involving themselves with the board.

Just after categorization, my income was  Rs. 27000/- in 6 months. I had to sale one RCC Floor, which was brought one year before categorization. After categorization, I was asked to work as Assistant after 10/11 years of my practice as Independent SLA due to the Categorisation. But, by the grace of God, now I am earning sufficiently with reputation (up to my expectation) except humiliation of Category.

From the Membership Number, it seems that Mr. Girimaji has joined the profession after Categorisation, hence, he do not understand my sentiment.

Mr. Girimaji, if you remain in same category even after 15/20 years, then, only you would be able realize the situation.

I agree that up gradation of knowledge is necessary in this IT era.

Since, the new Regulation has shown some ray of hope of Up-gradation as all accept it except few.

So, we should give stress for implementation of the NEW REGULATION.

 

 

With Thanks & Regards,

Mrinal Pathak,
Surveyor & Assessor,
Mobile : 9864061309 & 9435112279

[UMESH TANK]

Dear friends,

There is no solution to our frustration, as we are born in a wrong nation.  Our country do not have tradition to give space to innovative & learned professionals. 

Categorisation is an endorsement now and ...   ...

I always ask GOD if you want to make me surveyor in next birth, please please do not place me in this nation called: India

Umesh Tank

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[ramawadh singh]

 A  lot of suggestion came on board regarding the frustration among surveyors reason is the insurers who have tighten their belt and entry of private players have placed them in to competition .Earlier there were 4 psu;s only,top bosses were like an officer of the government organisation they were not been questioned for any losses or gain companies lower official were also less questionable on any issue of marketing of business/administration of claim..DO, Branch level officer were utilizing the surveyors and surveyors were renowned for their style of working there were no panic among good bad .Now the situation has been changed each and every surveyor have become same, the simple and low profile surveyors are suffering since entry of earlier big surveyors have been mixed among the simple common surveyors ,work have been reduced and competition is in rising so insurance officials are in advantageous situation .Imagine who will loose.

Our leadership at the top assumes them self separate they are above to common surveyors.In my opinion gold is examined since it will be used for future  but surveyors can not be apparently examined since every one poses them self knowledgeable and honest.   

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