Re: WHITE PAPER OF IIISLA
vipin shukla
With regards.
Vipin Kumar Shukla,
Surveyor/Lucknow,
09415002675
From: S. Anoop Kumar <s.anoo...@gmail.com>
To: Insurance Surveyors India <insurance-su...@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Mon, 23 May, 2011 7:04:36 PM
Subject: Fw: WHITE PAPER OF IIISLA
Dear Members,
Jyot se jyot jalao – corrupted members ko bhagao
Make IIISLA CLEAN – THE WAY TO CHARTERSHIP
(Issued by Iqbal Tadha, President 2010-11)
This white paper is released to put facts before the members so that the Institute comes out of the current turmoil as a mature , professional & responsive body.
FIRST KNOW ME -
Myself Iqbalhusen Ismailbhai Tadha, age 56 years, resident of Sarkhej Ahmedabad. I am having surveyor Licence from 1982 & had been a member of IISA(The Institute of Insurance Surveyors & Loss Adjusters). I have attended all meetings of IISA & AGM at Mumbai. I was elected as Gujarat Chapter Chairman of IISA in 1992. As Chapter Chairman , I purchased first office premises at Gujarat from my personal funds. It cost us Rs. three lac. Then I offered Mr. Dhruva, the then President to purchase the same premises on the same cost & start a Gujarat chapter office of IISA. The Surveyors of Ahmedabad collected Rs. 2,00,000/ & Mr. Dhruva sent Rs. 1,00,000/-from IISA A/C. In this way I started the tradition to purchase the chapter offices of IISA as it was the FIRST SUCH CHAPTER OFFICE IN INDIA. After purchasing the IISA premises at Gujarat Chapter, I gave resignation from the chapter chairmanship. Then without any post, I had given strong fight against the Insurance companies AGAINST THE PROBLEMS OF Surveyors.
For Example, I had given a strong stand against Mr. Arvind Shinoy –the employee & Dr. Thakur –the vigilance officer –of New India Assurance Co. Ltd. for the burning issues of surveyors. They filed a case aginst me but later on they felt guilty for their misdeed & they withdrew their case at the time of court’s statement. So the court has given me clean chit.
Next time , I took a stand against Mr. Chetan Thakkar – the Asst. Manager of New India Assurance Co. for Ahmedabad Surveyors regarding the pending survey fees & the harassment at the time of total loss survey work (I was not active as a surveyor or not on any post of IISA). So he lodged a police complaint against me to protect himself/ his job from my further steps. But later on the court has considered our argument |& At Last, the court gave me clean chit.
As I was a president of Human relief Trust , I was helping each & every poor people by my own expenses. On Behalf of Mr. Kishan Chauhan , I filed a case against Oriental Insurance co to settle the claim of Mr. Kishan chauhan but the court did not grant his claim & ordered him to pay the cost of Rs. 10,000/ to insurance ccompany. The court had ordered to the party means Mr. Kishan Chauhan. I was only helping him as an advocate. Then also I was helping him to take this matter to supreme court but his capacity was very poor. Looking towards his economical position, I gave him the expenses to visit Delhi but later on he committed suicide & the matter was over.
I have adopted this profession as my society and As I am not dependent on surveyor profession income, I never Afraid to take stand against the Insurance companies or their officers. It was all in the interest of fellow surveyors who were aggrieved due to one reason or the other. In the process, it was natural for the Insurance Officers to frame some charges against the person who was in the forefront. However, truth prevailed & they could not stop renewal of my licence from IRDA. The same stories of my fight for the fellow surveyors was unethically presented by my opponents as stories of my bad conduct. I was so upset by the slanderous propaganda presented by Mr Elango during the elections that I sought not to reply & thought that the members would themselves look into his designs. Some persons did send him the rejoinders, but still there might be many who could not understand Mr Elango & his group’s designs.
Looking towards my efforts for the betterment of Surveyors’ fraternity, Gujarat surveyors once again elected me as a chapter chairman of Gujarat, IISA in the year 2002.
During this, I also filed a Writ petition at Guj. High Court against in- house survey in 2006 with my personal fund of Rs. 40,000/-. I have never claimed for the expenses of writ petition from IISA or IIISLA. I am a social worker. I am a president of Muslim Education Trust. Under this trust, I am running a school where 800 boys & girls are provided Education. I am a president of Human Relief Trust from the time of earth Quake in 2001. I am a secretary of Muslim welfare trust. I am a trustee of Shree Mafatlal Dalwadi Hospital & as a trustee I am accompanied by trustee from Cadila pharmaceuticals co. owner.
In 2006, Mr. M. J. Dhruva denied to pass the office expenses of Gujarat Chapter without giving the proper reason. But on the request of Gujarat surveyors to continue the chapter office, I had given a loan to IISA of Rs. 64,000/ Which stands CREDITED IN MY NAME in our IISA balance sheet till today.
My efforts & activities as Gujrat Chapter Chairman brought me into the limelight & the members from All India including Mr Dhruva found me worthy of being a council Member. As my object is to do some thing betterment for surveyor fraternity, I was fully involved with IIISLA Activities. Looking to my self motivation, and knowledge and exposures in Institutional working , Mr. Dhruva sought many times help from me like legal opinion, company law matters etc. in which I extended whole hearted support.
In turn Mr. Dhruva and other council members had put confidence in me to take lead as President and accordingly I was elected as Vice President and then as President of IIISLA .
MY EXPERIENCE AND WORK AS PRESIDENT IIISLA
As President of IIISLA . I visited Mumbai office , but staff did not provide me any information nor allow to touch any file. I complained about this non –co-operation of staff to Mr. Dhruva, he replied me that I should not worry about admin work. So I returned to Ahmedabad with minor knowledge of office work. Even Office in charge did not inform me about the renewal of P.A. policy of 5500 Members. Later on I had been informed about the renewal of P.A. Policy which had already expired. I complained about this to Mr. Dhruva but Mr. Dhruva replied me that all that was my responsibility & why should he bother. He further said that if any member expired before renewal of P. A. Policy , then I would be responsible for it. With this statement he cut the phone. Then I decided to visit Mumbai office & to study all the files for further action.
Mr. R.P. Gupta & I visited Mumbai office on 22/4/2010, the staff did not keep a chair for the president or Treasurer to sit in. So first of all I managed the furniture & made place to sit & started work. But office staff was not interested to co-operate with us & also used abusive language. So I had to call the police at institute’s office. At that time I decided if I want to run Institute smoothly & to save the admin expenses , I have to shift IIISLA office from Mumbai to Ahmedabad. & I shifted IIISLA office from Mumbai to Ahmedabad on 26/4/2010 after wider consultations.
TEAM :
I got full support from Mr. RP GUPTA – DR. SRINIVAS- Mr.S.S. AGARWAL-Mr.GAUTAM BASU-Mr.DCS RAJU AND …… The opoosition was from Mr. Tiku – Mr. Ashok Kumar-Mr. RK Soni and Mr. Sarkar and Mr. Elango.
This opponents never thought of the future of IIISLA and behave prejudicially. You may ask them for any single work done individually for betterment of IIISLA.
Now let us have a look at the activities of the Institute during 2010-11
- Shifting of Adm. Office to Ahmedabad :- The Mumbai office was established as a facility of the President to administer the affairs of the Institute. It had once or twice been suggested to me to take the office to Ahmedabad. The cost of operation of the office was worked out in view of the new President’s required periodical travel from Ahmedabad to Mumbai & still the resulting effectiveness & efficiency of the office was foreseen to be low. All the parameters were compared to that if the office was shifted to Ahmedabad. It was being discussed & debated, but had to be finalized immediately when the new President & the Treasurer were engaged by the employees of Mumbai office in an awkward position of indiscipline & lawlessness.
Shifting of office revealed as to how the office incharge was involved in multifarious activities of his own business, working for a no. of other entities from the same office, incomplete record keeping, mismanaged petty cash account & Rs. 59,649/ is still debited in the name of Mr. M.J.Dhruva for Mumbai imprest.
- Website :- Website which was lingering on for the last 3 years without any progress, was started afresh under the guidance of Mr Jagdish Parmar, Zonal Chairman (West) and is now fully developed. It is interactive with the members & its viewership is increasing at great pace. Now, however, the new Council is pressing to stop this website & want to start afresh. This would be wastage of IIISLA resources & would further disturb the website program. It should not be scrapped just to make your own name. However, improvement on existing one is always possible & if done rightly, would also be appreciated.
- P.A. Policy & Welfare Activities :- IIISLA is continuing with personal accident coverage of all members so that in case of any misfortune, they get proper compensation. This policy is for Rs. 5 lac each. This year, the renewal was at the same rate- rather a few paisa lesser & we could also take a donation of Rs. 30000/- for the Institute. Such a thing had never happened in previous years.
- Accounts of Financial year 2008-09:- Accounts of fin. Year 2008-09 which were still lingering on, were got audited by personal initiative of the office bearers & cooperation of the Council. AGM for the year 2008-09 was called at Ahmedabad on 7.8.2010. Even though some queries were raised on accounts, it was impressed upon members to pass the accounts. For internal purposes, however a Finance Committee was appointed to scrutinize the accounts. Its report is still awaited due to intervening engagements on 64 UM, marriage of daughter of a member of the committee, illness of another member & elections. However, some of the anomalies are already posted to the members by a member of the Committee.
- Compliance with ROC & IT Department:- Due to delay in filing of the accounts of 2008-09 & holding of AGM & filing of annual report, notices were received from ROC & Income tax department. Compliance was made & compliance report was filed.
- IT Exemption:- IT exemption applications
i. Application in form 56 D seeking approval U/s 10(23C)(vi) & via) of the IT Act was objected to by the Income Tax Commissioner on 2 counts- delayed application, particularly when the Institute had become liable to income tax for the fin.year 2006-07 when income had exceeded one crore. Secondly, there was no educational activity. Following reply was sent to the Commissioner
1.We request you to kindly condone the delay in filling Form 56D, if any , since our Institute of Insurance Surveyors and Loss Assessors (Institute) was formed and promoted as a section 25 company by Insurance Development Regulatory Authority in India (IRDA), a government of India Regulator during late 2005 and the management of the same was handed over to the elected governing council of the Institute only during the year 2009. The council of the Institute after gaining control of the affairs , immediately started efforts to meet all compliance related matters including this application. Your goodself will appreciate that the delay in filling was beyond the control of the applicant Institute for the circumstances mentioned above and it is prayed that delayed filling may kindly be waived.
2.We appreciate your noting that application was made since for financial year 2006-07 our receipts exceeds Rs.1 crore however we wish to submit humbly that as mentioned in Point No.1 above , the process of compliance commenced at our Institute only after forming of the governing council in 2009 and thus this application was was notwithstanding the fact of our receipts exceeding Rs.1 Crore in F.Y. 2006-07.
However, we submit here that our receipts for the fin. Year 2006-07 are inclusive of one time admission fee of our members that forms corpus fund of the Institute which is well maintained in our accounts. This being exempted under section 11(1)(d), the remaining receipt comes to less than Rs. 1.0 crore.
The IT Commissioner had given us a word to file accounts of 2009-10 & 2010-11 quickly & he would consider our application positively. We did our best to do it, the above opponents not act positively instead of the repeated requests of our Treasurer, Mr.R.P. Gupta.
ii. Our application in Form 10A for registration under section 12AA of the Income Tax Act,1961 was rejected by the Director Income Tax (Exemptions). An appeal was filed through Mr Sharad Sinha, Hyderabad to the Appeallate Tribunal by giving inputs to Mr Sinha.
Our IT exemption case is weak due to careless attitude of the Adhoc Committee in the years 2005 to 2008 which also had a CA who should have known all these matters &should have been aware of the implications. If we loose IT exemption, there may be an immediate liability of Rs. One crore or so.
Unaudited accounts for fin. Year 2009-10 were passed by the Council on 22.11.2010 in its meeting at Hyderabad. Accounts audit had been completed & the audited accounts were circulated to the Council members for passing by circulation. Due to politicking by those who had huge balances in their names, passing of accounts was stalled.
7. Membership Records:- Auditors for 2008-09 had reported non-reconciliation of membership records. Membership records were tried to be set right, but the soft ware of Mumbai office was found to have lots of errors, personal files of the members were incomplete & many files were missing. An attempt was made to make new software for membership records.
The process was still in progress when call for elections came from IRDA. We requested IRDA to let us first complete the membership reconciliation & postpone the elections. When the request was not acceded to, we devised a system of publishing the voter list as per our records in whatever form available, on the website & inviting errors, omissions etc in date bound manner. Many complaints were received & processed.
It was first time that a Voter list was published on website with a view to give transparency to the members. Now complete membership has been reconciled. List of 4200 members has been put on website. Remaining list is also ready, but the website is being reported to be redone. We have posted total membership subscription bills with individual a/c reconciliation to the members.
- Establishment of Head office;- Process to establish head office at Hyderabad was set in motion. Premises for the same were being acquired by a local committee under the charge of Council Member, Mr DCS Raju. Advance payment of Rs. 16,36,706/ to the extent of Bank’s lien were made & balance payment cheques were issued & sent to Mr Raju. The process could have been completed in Jan. & then in Feb., but due to unavoidable circumstances, it could not be done. In the meantime, elections results came & I lost the election.
As huge amounts were involved in the transactions, I decided with all the sincerity to let the new team complete the process. Likewise, Mr Raju was told not to present the cheques to any body/ bank or authority & stop payment was made. Huge amount of cash was in the Savings A/c & yearly closing was on hand. As per earlier directions, not to keep huge amounts in Savings A/c, the amount was shifted to an FDR.
There was lot of pursuassion & debate on the matter. Mr Raju along with Hyderabad Surveyors wanted completion of the purchase as also I wanted the same, but no clear cut sanction came from the council members. However, in anticipation of such a sanction, I did the process of withdrawing money from FDR & for revoking of the stop payment by getting second signatures. This, otherwise would have taken about one month. Due to politicking, this project is still hanging inspite of the good intentions of every body.
Ahmedbad Premises- Likewise the Administrative office at Ahmedabad as passed at the last AGM was being strengthened & a deal was made for purchase of premises & Rs. 1,00,000 was paid to the property owner as an Advance but Due to opposition from some quarters, this project was abandoned by the Gujrat Surveyors for the time being.
- Election Advertisement Expenses:- Election advertisement expenses have been brought down from about Rs.1690883/- in 2008-09 to Rs.71,695/- in 2010-11 (total bill of Rs. 79526/- out of which a credit note of Rs. 7831/- was received).
- Activation of Zones & Chapters:- Zones & chapters were encouraged to take up activities. I travelled across the length & breadth of the country to interact with the members- to take feedback from the ground level & to explain programs & philosophy of the management in achieving its goals. I met the members even during my journey breaks. e.g. On way to Dalhousie, I met Delhi Surveyors at Delhi within a short time that could be managed between air travel & the onward train travel and then met Punjab surveyors who could not make to Dalhousie, at Pathankot between end of train travel & onward road travel.
Punjab Chapter organized a protest day on 15th Nov, 2010 & all the 4 zones in general & AP Chapter, Delhi Chapter & some more chapters in particular joined this protest in their own way to project our view point to general public & the concerned organizations. Even non members had also joined & the program was complete success.
- Membership of IFAA:- We have applied for membership of International Federation of Adjusters’ Associations. This would link our Institute to international forums & the members would be able to know what is happening world over & would also be able to influence the same through their own experiences. However, currently we are busy in our own internal problems.
- 64UM:- In view of the Insurance amendment bill being with the Parliamentary Standing Committee, it was observed that the recommendation was to remove section 64UM & put the control of Surveyors profession in the domain of regulations of IRDA. The matter was to be taken up on war footing to present Institute’s views to this committee as the amendment was likely to be put up in the next session of Parliament. A committee was formed for the purpose & the case was put up before the Chairman of the Parliamentary Committee & a memorandum was also presented. The Chairman was kind enough to put the matter to the Committee & we were invited to put our case in person before the whole committee.
With a view to have transparency in our working & to get feed back from the ground level on a matter related to future of surveyors, I made a whirlwind tour of all the 4 zones within the 4-5 days available before the appearance date & the presentation was given to the Parliamentary Committee by the full committee of the Institute on 64 UM in a effective manner.
- Liaison with IRDA:- There was general complaint that the IRDA Chairman was not giving appointment to our President. I met the IRDA Chairman in person alongwith our local Council member, Mr DCS Raju for followup on the circular issued by IRDA in response to Madurai High court order. This was followed by another meeting within a week’s time as followup & was in continuous touch with the designated officer for completion of deliberations on our concerns of inhouse surveyors, contract surveyors, categorization, removal of limit of 3 departments, mandatory membership of the Institute & strengthening of the Institute’s administration etc etc. The process of necessary changes in regulations at IRDA level & at the level of our Institute was in progress.
14. Survey Fee Committee:- Survey fee committees formed by the Council were followed up to finalise their recommendations & some reports had been received. After proper compilation , the proposal was put up to GIC . The efforts put by Shree S. Anoopkumar is appreciable.
Dear friends, as every human being is not perfect, there are all chances of human error and mistake by me or my team hence please write me such things to correct myself.
Know Mr. MJ DHRUVA AND HIS TEAM
The great mr. Mahendra j Dhruva
I must confess that he had handle good IISA in initial stage and also strengthen the body by opening chapters and units in entire country and create brotherhood.
His first mistake was that he never develop second cadre and work undemocratic ways.
Than in later years HE hammered axe on his own leg. Means in the atmosphere of globalization and revival in the Insurance Industry – He started CONTRACT SURVEYOR COMPANY IN HIS SON NAME. HE OPERATE THIS THROUGOUT INDIA BY using NETWORK OF IISA.
HE WORK HARD TO GET CHARTERSHIP TO IIISLA BUT THE GOVERNMNT BODY knows him hence IIISLA was promoted. In IISLA also he adopt same method of collecting ballot papers , succeeded to become President.
The few irregularities & misappropriation with IISA & IIISLA Fund by him and his team are as under.
1 Mr. M. J. Dhruva had given Advertisemnt for the first Election worth Rs. 16, 90,883/ to his son in law which could also have cost Rs. 9,00,000/ as per Times of India quotation. Mr. J.L. Tiku had prepared a deal with Times of India for the same in Rs. 9,00,000/-.
Had he any feel for the hard earned money of the Surveyors, he could also have objected to giving such a costly advt. It is obvious that he was happy to give such an advertisement.
2 The original Rent Agreement was of Rs. 12,000/ per month between IISA & land lord but Mr. M.J. Dhruva paid Rs. 25, 000/ per month to landlord. There is no agreement between IIISLA & Landlord .
3 Mr. M. J. Dhruva had given salary to Mr. Purko , the office in charge, of IIISLA at Mumbai. Thus Mr. Porko was never careful for IIISLA Management & was busy with Mr. Dhruva’s personal business & his own businesses.
Mr. Porko who was salaried employee of IIISLA ,was engaged in other firms like those of Mr. Dhruva . He did not bother for IIISLA work & was doing his personal business from IIISLA office. His own income tax return for the year 2008-09 or 2009-10 was to the extent of Rs. 5 lac.
4 Mr. Porko’s air flight ticket had been received from IIISLA office. This shows that Mr. Porko many times used airlines to visit Chennai from Mumbai which point out towards his corruption.
5 Mr. M. J. Dhruva had given back the possession of IISA rented office to a parsi lady – landlord. Its goodwill (Pagadhi) value at Fort Road was Rs. 2 crore 30 lacs. What is the entire scenario? No body knows.
6 The value of Vadala plot at Mumbai of IISA today is at Rs. 8 Crore. Where is this plot? IISA had given Rs. 1,00,000/ for the same as advance.
7 The A/C committee of 2008-09 has found the pilgrimage bill of Tirupaati . Pilgrimage of Tirupati was done on the A/C of IIISLA By Mr. Dhruva, Mr.Arun Kumar & one person more by showing as meeting expenses at Tirupati. For this Mr. Siva Kumar , the surveyor from Hyderabad flied for Tirupati & arrange accommodation for these three person at Tirupati . Entire expenses was debited from IIISLA A/C.
8 Mr. M.J. Dhruva had passed the bill of Mr. Arun kumar for the whisky from the A/C of IIISLA
9 Mr. J.L. Tiku had taken reimbursement from IIISLA in his own name for the staff members of IIISLA for Delhi office. There was no staff appointed at Delhi & No signed Vouchers for the salary had been found in A/c Record.
10 Though the Admin expenses of IIISLA Mumbai office was Rs. 67 lac, reconciliation was not done any year. Records were incomplete. Many Members’ individual file was empty . Many members’ individual file was missing. Records of more than one members found in one file. In short the admin work was not properly done by Mr. Porko.
11 Every month Rs. 8400/ was debited from IIISLA in the name of IISA under the head of Provident fund of IIISLA staff. This was revealed when the auditors inquired about deposit receipts of such funds with Provident fund. Such accounting was done by Mr Tiku, CA.
12 Mr. M. J. Dhruva is a managing Director of “ARMIS” – a firm of contract Surveyor. Would Mr. M.J. dhruva fight against the contract system?
13 Mr. Arun Kumar had given a complementary gift ( a Mobile Phone worth Rs. 4500) to an insurance official from the A/C of IIISLA
14 Mr. R.K. Soni, the council member of IIISLA is a head of Autorisk at Rajasthan. He is doing contract survyey. He has made an Europe tour which was sponsored by Autorisk. But he denies that he is not doing contract survey. On 5th May, 2011 he has informed IIISLA members that he will issue an affidavit stating that he is not connected with contract survey work after a week. Did any body receive his affidavit? If no, then he must submit the affidavit as per his own statement otherwise must give his resignation from the post of council membership.
15 Newly Elected Council Member, Mr. Lalit Gupta from Delhi agreed that he did many contract survey work at the time when I visited his home last year. But he assured me that he was not connected then with contract survey. So He must sign the affidavit as a IIISLA council member as it was done last year by 8 council members stating that they were not connected with contract survey work.
16 Mr. J.L. Tiku had taken reimbursement for the car repairing in his own name many times. (The car owner was Mr. Lalit Kumar , Dy. Sec. Ministry of finance who is a Govt. nominee council Member of our IIISLA)
17 Mr Tiku had taken Rs 1 lac in his personal account and around 10 lacs in the name of IISA Delhi chapter of which he is the sole signatory.
Know Mr Elango
Always in search of ???????????? no end. The first man to take IIISLA in court.
After one month of A.G.M, and by the hard efforts of Mr. Anoopkumar, Mr. Daljeet singh , Mr. Ranjit, & Mr. D.C. S. Raju, the appointment with the chairman of IRDA was granted On 6th September,2010 . I received an email at 5.00 P.M. on 6th September ,2010 from IRDA stating that the chairman of IRDA will meet on 8th September, 2010 at 11.00 A.M. So I had to leave Ahmedabad on 7th September early morning with the preparation for the meeting. So It was almost impossible to get approval from all council Members in written within a 3 or 4 hours but I had informed all council members regarding my meeting with IRDA Chairman & I was accompanied by our council Member Mr. D.C.S. Raju- after contacting him by phone & no members had raised objection for this meeting. But after 15 days of Meeting , Mr. R.K. Elango wrote a letter to IRDA in his capacity as Secretary that the views expressed by the president of IIISLA was not the views of council Members . It was personal meeting.
Mr Elango by writing a letter to the IRDA Chairman not to listen to the President. This was the climax of all other internal actions of the Secretary in not preparing the agenda/ minutes of meetings, not giving accounts of money taken by him for council meeting arrangements & Madurai court case, not having proper liaison with the President in calling of council meetings & if called by the President, declaring them to be illegal etc. Our energies & resources also being diverted to tide over such divisions within as some of our members were also siding with such elements.
Implications of this behavior of Mr Elango are explained above. IRDA was ready to solve our problems & assured us by saying that “If you walk one mile, we will walk ten miles” but by the letter of Mr. Elango , IRDA was so much confused & we could not get any result by our meeting with the IRDA Chairman. Looking towards the irresponsible act of our secretary, our IIISLA Members demanded the resignation from Mr. R.K. Elango & sent resolutions to remove Mr. R.K. Elango from the post of Secretary of IIISLA from zonal Level, chapter level, unit level & personal Level . Even majority of national council Members sent their opinion to remove Mr. R.K. Elango from the post of Secretary of IIISLA . So on the basis of all members’ demand, I removed him from the post of Secretary of IIISLA on 8/10/2010 . So he filed a case against the president of IIISLA by misguiding the court & got temporary injuction but in march ,2011, the court had dismissed his case. Thus Mr. R.K. Elango is the first person to take the IIISLA to a court. I have visited Trichy court at the time of New Year & submitted my reply in court.
Mr. Nilesh Bhimani – a member of A/C committee sent an e-mail to Mr. R.K. Elango & copy to president of IIISLA (myself) on 4/10/2010 to submit the detailed a/c of Chennai Seminar. With reference to the mail of Mr. Nilesh Bhimani, I also sent an email to Mr. R.K. Elango on same day to send the detailed A/c otherwise IIISLA will not make any reimbursement to Mr. R.K. Elango. But Mr. R.K. Elango was not bothered to reply neither Mr. Nilesh Bhimani nor myself till today.
Now all members can understand the malafied practice of Mr. R.K. Elango to make money by organizing seminar every year under the banner of IIISLA & swallow the hard earned money of IIISLA . A Genuine person must submit the A/C of seminar as soon as Seminar completed. But Mr. R.K. Elango not bothered about the notices to submit the A/C means he has done misappropriation with IIISLA fund. ( I have already filed a criminal police complaint at Ahmedabad against Mr. R. K. Elango & Mr. Santosh Sarkar on 24/4/2010.
After receiving notices from Mr. R.P. Gupta- treasurer of IIISLA, Mr. Nilesh Bhimani- a member of A/C committee & myself, Mr. Elango knows very well that if I (Iqbal Tadha) will be president, he would have to give reply to members or to court. So he started his efforts to create bogus vote with the help of Mr. J.L. Tiku. As an only Membership committee member( he was not a chairman of this committee), Mr. J.L. Tiku admitted 67 members in IIISLA with 50% of Registration Fee on the basis of a mere discussion at Nagpur Meeting of newly elected zonal council members & those of the Central Council. He himself took the applications & deposited the application money at Delhi inspite of the clear notices of the Treasurer not to make any direct deposits to IIISLA account as there were reconciliation problems. He sent the lists of members to Ahmedabad office. There was no resolution passed in the Nagpur Central Council meeting nor any discussion took place regarding membership admitted on partly paid bases . When a controversy arose on giving voting rights to the partly paid members, Mr. J.L. Tiku, Mr Elango & Mr Dhruva created fake minutes of meeting & submitted to the Election Officer who was also influenced by them. Even though as per A.O.A. , no member shall be entitled for voting rights if any types of his dues are outstanding. The Election Officer allowed 33 members out of the 67 such members to vote in fourth central council Election . They all had their outstanding dues of Rs. 2500/ & most surprising matter is that out of 33 eligible voters, 3 members had surrendered their membership before election started. Thus 3 non members had voted in IIISLA Council Election & Election officer also accepted their votes . Why Election officer gave right to 33 members who had made part payment after repeatedly being informed by Mr. R.P. Gupta that they were not eligible & out of those 3 members had surrendered their Membership. Not only this, as per the demand of Mr. K.V. Krishnan- the 4th Election Officer himself, we had also given him voter list certified by Auditor. But election officer overruled the certificate of auditor in pressure of Mr. R.K. Elango. Due to bogus voting of 33 members , I lost the election by only 1 vote. So I used my democratic right & filed a case against the Election officer, IRDA & Govt. Nominees as IRDA & Govt. Nominees know all these irregularities in voter list, mis-appropriation with IIISLA fund by Mr. R.K.Elango, Mr. J.L. Tiku & Mr. Santosh Sarkar. I observed that no one could stop all this nonsense. So I took the support of court.
In last A.G.M. of 2008-09, which was held on 7/8/2010 at Ahmedabad , General Members asked questions to Mr. R.K. Elango regarding Chennai seminar expanses, but instead of giving satisfactory reply to general Members, Mr. R.K. Elango walked out from the Annual General Meeting. So Annoyed General Members demanded to form a A/C committee to investigate the A/C of 2008-09. Mr. R.P.Sharma from Mumbai. Mr. Nilesh Bhimani From Ahmedabad & Mr. Chand kumar Bhatia from Faridabad are the members of A/C Committee to investigate the A/c of 2008-09.
Now, My dear Members I want to ask few questions whose reply must be given from your soul.
1 A person who misappropriates with IIISLA funds should be punished. (YES/NO)
2 Is it appropriate for the Council to make such a person President & not even ask him to clear his accounts first?
3 Seminar convenor should not present the delegation list & total amount collected as delegation fee. Should he not present his expenses on the seminar for record of the accounts that would show as to how much we spent on education? (YES/NO)
(Such expenses also make us eligible for income tax exemption )
4 Should not the election officer exclude 33 partly paid members members from eligible voter list as per articles 4 & 6 of AOA (YES/NO)
5 Should we keep the silence if Mr. R.K. Elango & others who have misappropriated with IIISLA Funds & not giving any clarification from their side. (YES/NO)
6 Should we accept Mr. Rakesh Soni from Jaipur as a vice president of IIISLA who is a head of contract surveyor of Rajasthan . (YES/NO)
7 Should we not proceed against Mr JL Tiku, Mr MJ Dhruva & Mr RK Elango for fraudulently enrolling members & presenting fake minutes of meeting in order to get voting right to them . (YES/ NO)
8 Should we accept Mr. Sunil Vora as a council Member of IIISLA who is a National president of IISA & in a capacity of National President of IISA, he has never given any clarification as to where is IISA FD & property which was located at Fort Road , Mumbai worth Rs. 2 crore 30 lac & plot at vadala worth Rs. 8 Crore. If he has no answer as N.P. of IISA, what will he do with IIISLA & in future can we receive any clarification from his side as a IIISLA Council Member. (YES/NO)
9 Mr. Santosh Sarkar has taken Advance Rs. 26,500/- (Rs. 15000/- plus Rs. 10000/- plus Rs. 1500/-) from IIISLA in 2008-09 , but he has not given any A/C of expenses against his advance till today. After the police complaint filed at Ahmedabad, he is ready to pay Rs. 26,500 / which he has taken as an advance. Moreover, this amount had been accounted by Mr JL Tiku (CA) as expense & not as advance. This made it escape the attention of the Auditors also. Is it fair ? (YES/NO)
10 I have filed a court case at Ahmedabad to use my democratic right to cancel the last Election due to the irregularities in voter list. I have filed a criminal police complaint against Mr. R.K. Elango & Mr. Santosh Sarkar with a view to stop the misappropriation with the IIISLA Fund & Make IIISLA clean & healthy. Am I Wrong(YES/NO)
DEAR FRIENDS – LASTLY I SUBMIT THAT PLEASE SPEND SOME TIME TO READ ABOVE - SPARE SOME TIME TO DISCUSS WITH YOUR OTHER SURVEYORS IN YOUR AREA AND COME JOIN WITH ME FOR JYOT SE JYOT JALAO MOVEMENT
I TRIED MY LEVEL BEST TO PICTURISE THE PAST AND PRESENT
EVENTHOUGH IF YOU DO NOT UNITED TO TAKE ACTION THAN
YOU WILL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR FUTURE STATUS AND THAN DO NOT BLAME ANY LEADERS.
SATYA MEV JAYATE
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PRAKASH
It appears that everyone wants a short cut to success and betterment.
In spite of all wrong doings by the earlier office bearers if one
still wants them to be in office, I think it is a shame on us and by
doing so it will prove that we are also party to such wrong doings by
promoting such individuals.
Has any of the accused office bearers come out in open and express
their non involvement.
It has always been thru others that they were favored.
Non of the accused and so called fouling officers have ever come out
in open and expressed( either they are afraid to come out in open or
they want to hide the truth)
Now as member, what type of office bearers do you want( Don't tell me
about democratic elections in the country and our ownI IISLA and how
they can be rigged)
You get what you want- Do you want the so called tainted office
bearers or clean office bearers.
Why talk of all good things when we ourselves do not come together for
good things with our own short term gains and short sightedness.
Gentlemen( & lady in any) just do not react immediately .
Think , think twice before you act and then act in the right direction
by being true to your own self first and then to others.
God helps those who help themselves. God bless you all for your good
deeds.
Lakshman Iyer
Aurangabad
9822050433
On May 23, 9:16 pm, vipin shukla <vipin_shukla2...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> Dear Tadha sir,
>
> Please accept my proper regard as you are senior and ex-prsident of IIISLA. As
> common surveyors, I am also not intrested in history & geogarphy which mailed to
> the board. We think , it is personal battle between of you and Mr. Elengo.
>
> "Kya aisa nahin ho sakta ki aap dono hum surveyors ko apne haal par chhorh dein
> evam aap dono log koi alag battle field talas kar len."
>
> I have strong objection for your version abot partial membership. Can you
> remember function of Allahabad Unit. In this function, you are also present. In
> this function, I raised the matter about cut of voting rights of Allahabad
> Kanpur surveyors and annonced to challange in court. At that time, from stage,
> you supported me and said that you are including the name these surveyors and
> now it based upon election officer to decide. Then why you are taking it since
> defeating in election. Perhaps, it is due to loosing seat by only one or
> two votes.
>
> You send the massage on board but not concluded about situation of future of
> proffession.
>
> "Meri to yahi rai hai ki aap dono log mill beth kar gale-shikwe door kar lein
> yaa dono log IIISLA se hat jain aur hamein apne haal par chhorh dein".
> With regards.
>
> Vipin Kumar Shukla,
> Surveyor/Lucknow,
> 09415002675
>
> ________________________________
> Sent: Mon, 23 May, 2011 7:04:36 PM
> Subject: Fw: WHITE PAPER OF IIISLA
>
> As forwarded by Mr. Iqbal Tadha, the past president of IIISLA. For members
> info.
>
>
> S. Anoop Kumar.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: iqbal tadha
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> pksingh5...@yahoo.com ; Darshan Pandey ; sanjay dasharath ;
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> kkpandey07_...@rediffmail.com ; mailmaheshba...@yahoo.com
> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 4:27 PM
> Subject: WHITE PAPER OF IIISLA
>
>
> Dear Members,
>
> Jyot se jyot jalao – corrupted members ko bhagao
> Make IIISLA CLEAN – THE WAY TO CHARTERSHIP
> (Issued by Iqbal Tadha, President 2010-11)
> This white paper is released to put facts before the members so that the
> Institute comes out of the current turmoil as a mature , professional &
> responsive body.
> FIRST KNOW ME -
> once or twice been suggested to me to take the office to Ahmedabad. The cost of
> operation of the office was worked out in view of the new President’s required
> periodical travel from Ahmedabad to Mumbai & still the resulting effectiveness &
> efficiency of the office was foreseen to be low. All the parameters were
> compared to that if the office was shifted to Ahmedabad. It was being discussed
> & debated, but had to be finalized immediately when the new President & the
> Treasurer were engaged by the employees of Mumbai office in an awkward position
> of indiscipline & lawlessness.
>
> Shifting of office revealed as to how the office incharge was involved in
> multifarious activities of his own business, working for a no. of other entities
> from the same office, incomplete record keeping, mismanaged petty cash account &
> Rs. 59,649/ is still debited in the name of Mr. M.J.Dhruva for Mumbai imprest.
> Chairman (West) and is now fully developed. It is interactive with the members &
> its viewership is increasing at great pace. Now, however, the new Council is
> pressing to stop this website & want to start afresh. This would be wastage of
> IIISLA resources & would further disturb the website program. It should not be
> scrapped just to make your own name. However, improvement on existing one is
> always possible & if done rightly, would also be appreciated.
>
> proper compensation. This policy is for Rs. 5 lac each. This year, the renewal
> was at the same rate- rather a few paisa lesser & we could also take a donation
> of Rs. 30000/- for the Institute. Such a thing had never happened in previous
> years.
>
> bearers & cooperation of the Council. AGM for the year 2008-09 was called at
> Ahmedabad on 7.8.2010. Even though some queries were raised on accounts, it was
> impressed upon members to pass the accounts. For internal purposes, however a
> Finance Committee was appointed to scrutinize the accounts. Its report is still
> awaited due to intervening engagements on 64 UM, marriage of daughter of a
> member of the committee, illness of another member & elections. However, some of
> the anomalies are already posted to the members by a member of the Committee.
>
> from ROC & Income tax department. Compliance was made & compliance report was
> filed.
>
> committee under the charge of Council Member, Mr DCS Raju. Advance payment of
> Rs. 16,36,706/ to the extent of Bank’s lien were made & balance payment cheques
> were issued & sent to Mr Raju. The process could have been completed in Jan. &
> then in Feb., but due to unavoidable circumstances, it could not be done. In the
> meantime, elections results came & I lost the election.
>
> As huge amounts were involved in the transactions, I decided with all the
> sincerity to let the new team complete the process. Likewise, Mr Raju was told
> not to present the cheques to any body/ bank or authority & stop payment was
> made. Huge amount of cash was in the Savings A/c & yearly closing was on hand.
> As per earlier directions, not to keep huge amounts in Savings A/c, the amount
> was shifted to an FDR.
>
> There was lot of pursuassion & debate on the matter. Mr Raju along with
> Hyderabad Surveyors wanted completion of the purchase as also I wanted the same,
> but no clear cut sanction came from the council members. However, in
> anticipation of such a sanction, I did the process of withdrawing money from FDR
> & for revoking of the stop payment by getting second signatures. This, otherwise
> would have taken about one month. Due to politicking, this project is still
> hanging inspite of the good intentions of every body.
>
> Ahmedbad Premises- Likewise the Administrative office at Ahmedabad as passed at
> the last AGM was being strengthened & a deal was made for purchase of premises &
> Rs. 1,00,000 was paid to the property owner as an Advance but Due to opposition
> from some quarters, this project was abandoned by the Gujrat Surveyors for the
> time being.
>
>
> (total bill of Rs. 79526/- out of which a credit note of Rs. 7831/- was
> received).
>
>
> with the members- to take feedback from the ground level & to explain programs &
> philosophy of the management in achieving its goals. I met the members even
> during my journey breaks. e.g. On way to Dalhousie, I met Delhi Surveyors at
> Delhi within a short time that could be managed between air travel & the
> onward train travel and then met Punjab surveyors who could not make to
> Dalhousie, at Pathankot between end of train travel & onward road travel.
>
> Punjab Chapter organized a protest day on 15th Nov, 2010 & all the 4 zones in
> general & AP Chapter, Delhi Chapter & some more chapters in particular joined
> this protest in their own way to project our view point to general public & the
> concerned organizations. Even non members had also joined & the program was
> complete success.
> international forums & the members would be able to know what is happening world
> over & would also be able to influence the same through their own experiences.
> However, currently we are busy in our own internal problems.
>
> section 64UM & put the control of Surveyors profession in the domain of
> regulations of IRDA. The matter was to be taken up on war footing to present
> Institute’s views to this committee as the amendment was likely to be put up in
> the next session of Parliament. A committee was formed for the purpose & the
> case was put up before the Chairman of the Parliamentary Committee & a
> memorandum was also presented. The Chairman was kind enough to put the matter to
> the Committee & we were invited to put our case in person before the whole
> committee.
> With a view to have transparency in our working & to get feed back from the
> ground level on a matter related to future of surveyors, I made a whirlwind tour
> of all the 4 zones within the 4-5 days available before the appearance date &
> the presentation was given to the Parliamentary Committee by the full committee
> of the Institute on 64 UM in a effective manner.
> alongwith our local Council member, Mr DCS Raju for followup on the circular
> issued by IRDA in response to Madurai High court order. This was followed by
> another meeting within a week’s time as followup & was in continuous touch with
> the designated officer for completion of deliberations on our concerns of
> inhouse surveyors, contract surveyors, categorization, removal of limit of 3
> departments, mandatory membership of the Institute & strengthening of the
> Institute’s administration etc etc. The process of necessary changes in
amar kant jha
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vipin shukla
Dear Tadha sir, Mr. Elengo ji, Sr.i Bhatia ji,
JANTA KI AWAJ SUNO. EK SAATH BAITH KAR EGO KHATAM KARO VARENA VIDROH HO JAYEGA.
With regards.
Vipin Kumar Shukla, Surveyor/Lucknow, 09415002675 --- On Wed, 25/5/11, Upinder Sachdeva <you...@gmail.com> wrote: |
chand Bhatia
पहले तो मेरा नाम लेने का कोई तर्क नहीं बनता. मुझमे कोई ego नहीं है और
मैं इसका सबूत इलाहाबाद में दे चुका हूँ जब एकता की खातिर मैं अपना नाम
चुनाव से वापिस लेने के लिए तैयार था पर बाद में श्री त्रिपाठी और श्री
ललित गुप्ता उस समझोते से वापिस हो गए और बनी हुई एकता को भंग कर दिया.
आपने मिल कर बेठने की बात की है तो पहले उन से तो पूछ लीजिये जिनकी गोद
में आपने आज कल शरण ली हुई है . श्री ललित गुप्ता आज भी श्री अरुण कुमार
से पूछ कर काम करते हैं और उन्होंने ये लुधियाना के संधर्ब में अपनी मेल
में स्पष्ट कहा भी है और श्री निर्मल त्रिपाठी की तो अपनी सोच ही नहीं है
वे ललित गुप्ता और J L Tikoo के कहे पर करते हैं ! इसलिए आपका सुझाव
स्वागत योग्य है पर इसमें मेरा बैठना ज़रूरी नहीं है क्योंकि मै हर उस हल
का हामी हो जिसमे एकता बन सके लेकिन वे सब जो आज तक IIISLA के सर्वेयरों
के नेता बने हैं उनमे अधिकांश अपनी स्वार्थ सिद्धि में रत रहें हैं, मेने
तो उनके काले कारनामो को उजागर ही किया है कृपया ये भ्रान्ति फ़ैलाने का
प्रयास न करें की में किसी के किसी भी कुक्र्त्य में शामिल हूं वो चाहे
टाढा जी हों या कोई और . जितने निडरता से मैं अपनी बात कहता हूं और कहने
की हिम्मत रखता हूं और इससे भी अधिक मेरी करनी और कथनी में फासला
व्यावहारिक से अधिक नहीं है ऐसा आपके आकाओं को अपने चरित्र में लाने में
बहुत समय लगेगा ! विपिन शुक्ल जी आप जो कहते हैं और जिसके प्रभाव में कह
जाते हैं मैं उसे पढ़ सकता हूँ
" हम हर एक शोख का अंदाज़े नज़र जानते हैं, हमने एक उम्र गुज़री है सनम-
खानों मैं "
बेहतर हो की दूसरों को सलाह दे इससे पहले अपना घर तो ठीक कर लें
C K BHATIA
On May 25, 10:03 am, vipin shukla <vipin_shukla2...@yahoo.co.in>
wrote:
> Dear Tadha sir, Mr. Elengo ji, Sr.i Bhatia ji,
>
> JANTA KI AWAJ SUNO. EK SAATH BAITH KAR EGO KHATAM KARO VARENA VIDROH HO JAYEGA.
>
> With regards.
>
> Vipin Kumar Shukla,
> Surveyor/Lucknow,
> 09415002675
>
> --- On Wed, 25/5/11, Upinder Sachdeva <youp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Upinder Sachdeva <youp...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: {Surveyors:8377} Re: WHITE PAPER OF IIISLA
> To: insurance...@googlegroups.com
> Cc: punjabs...@googlegroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, 25 May, 2011, 9:27 AM
>
> Dear Shukla Ji,
>
> You are right. In Dono Ko nahin, Teeno ko Ek Kamre mein Band Kar Do aur tab tak bahar nahin nikalo Jab tak mil beth ke in ka chautha na ho jae.
>
> U.P.S. Sachdeva
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 12:26 PM, amar kant jha <amarkant...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Friends,
> Please spare some time and go through the detail mail of Mr. TADA, He has explained the present situation in very nice manner. According to him,
> 1. Mr. Dhurva-- Who has elected /choose him as IIISLA President has not developed 2nd line of Leadership,What is Mr. TADA ( In my opinion developed by Mr. Dhurva)
> 2.Mr. Elango-- A man who is avoiding Mr. Tada and not providing A/C details. HAS MR. TADA has submitted his accounts and , Who will be held responsible, IF the amount paid at HYDERABAD for office got ceased or Owner charge extra interest.
> Mr.Elango filed case in Court against arbitrary decision of TADA,in which he removed his hurdle from the path of misdoing.
> But Mr. TADA-- Filed POLICE Case at AHMEDABAD against Mr. ELANGO, He field case against IRDA official and procedure of Election after Loosing Election, If this 33 voters were illegal, Why not he field case before ELECTION result, What is his motto of such case, friends please assess.
> 3. Mr. Soni-- According to Mr. TADA, A man from CONTRACT SURVEY, Mr. TADA-- please define CONTRACT SURVEY and File case against Illegal act of IRDA.
> Withdraw your case, Why you are jealous If AUTORISK has sent him on Foreign Tour, It is his relation, Provide the result of Tour, which gave impact on SURVEY JOB.
> 4.Mr. Sarkar-- As per Mr. Tada, he has fieled (I have already filed a criminal police complaint at Ahmedabad against Mr. R. K. Elango & Mr. Santosh Sarkar on 24/4/2010. ) A gentelman like Mr. TADA has filed CRIMINAL case against Mr. SARKAR.
> A action which is not good and justified against Mr. Sarkar.
> 5.Mr. Gautam Basu/ Mr. Agarwal--- He has not done any thing against Mr. TADA, So he is good. He left Mr. Dhurva - (his old leader)- for contesting Election on the shoulder of Mr. TADA. He is still silent on the development on HYDERABAD office Purchase, Ahmedabad Administrative Office Advance.Office Expenses done at AHMEDABAD. Why?
> For removing Mr. EALANGO , Mr.upport of Committee members( Even majority of national council Members sent their opinion to remove Mr. R.K. Elango from the post of Secretary of IIISLA ) Why this majority lost in few days and Mr. TADA lost election.
>
> Amar Kant Jha
> 0933-47-84485
> PATNA
> 24.05.2011
>
> From: vipin shukla <vipin_shukla2...@yahoo.co.in>
> To: insurance-su...@googlegroups.com
> Cc: insurance...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Mon, May 23, 2011 9:46:18 PM
> Subject: {Surveyors:8367} Re: WHITE PAPER OF IIISLA
>
> Dear Tadha sir,
>
> Please accept my proper regard as you are senior and ex-prsident of IIISLA. As common surveyors, I am also not intrested in history & geogarphy which mailed to the board. We think , it is personal battle between of you and Mr. Elengo.
>
> "Kya aisa nahin ho sakta ki aap dono hum surveyors ko apne haal par chhorh dein evam aap dono log koi alag battle field talas kar len."
>
> I have strong objection for your version abot partial membership. Can you remember function of Allahabad Unit. In this function, you are also present. In this function, I raised the matter about cut of voting rights of Allahabad Kanpur surveyors and annonced to challange in court. At that time, from stage, you supported me and said that you are including the name these surveyors and now it based upon election officer to decide. Then why you are taking it since defeating in election. Perhaps, it is due to loosing seat by only one or two votes.
>
> You send the massage on board but not concluded about situation of future of proffession.
>
> "Meri to yahi rai hai ki aap dono log mill beth kar gale-shikwe door kar lein yaa dono log IIISLA se hat jain aur hamein apne haal par chhorh dein".
> With regards.
>
> Vipin Kumar Shukla,
> Surveyor/Lucknow,
> 09415002675
>
> From: S. Anoop Kumar <s.anoopku...@gmail.com>
> To: Insurance Surveyors India <insurance-su...@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Mon, 23 May, 2011 7:04:36 PM
> Subject: Fw: WHITE PAPER OF IIISLA
>
> As forwarded by Mr. Iqbal Tadha, the past president of IIISLA. For members info.
>
> S. Anoop Kumar.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: iqbal tadha
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> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 4:27 PM
> Subject: WHITE PAPER OF IIISLA
>
>
> Dear Members,
>
> Jyot se jyot jalao – corrupted members ko bhagao
> Make IIISLA CLEAN – THE WAY TO CHARTERSHIP
> (Issued by Iqbal Tadha, President 2010-11)
> This white paper is released to put facts before the members so that the Institute comes out of the current turmoil as a mature , professional & responsive body.
> FIRST KNOW ME -
> Myself Iqbalhusen Ismailbhai Tadha, age 56 years, resident of Sarkhej Ahmedabad. I am having surveyor Licence from 1982 & had been a member of IISA(The Institute of Insurance Surveyors & Loss Adjusters). I have attended all meetings of IISA & AGM at Mumbai. I was elected as Gujarat Chapter Chairman of IISA in 1992. As Chapter Chairman , I purchased first office premises at Gujarat from my personal funds. It cost us Rs. three lac. Then I offered Mr. Dhruva, the then President to purchase the same premises on the same cost & start a Gujarat chapter office of IISA. The Surveyors of Ahmedabad collected Rs. 2,00,000/ & Mr. Dhruva sent Rs. 1,00,000/-from IISA A/C. In this way I started the tradition to purchase the chapter offices of IISA as it was the FIRST SUCH CHAPTER OFFICE IN INDIA. After purchasing the IISA premises at Gujarat Chapter, I gave resignation from the chapter chairmanship. Then without any post, I had given
> strong fight against the Insurance companies AGAINST THE PROBLEMS OF Surveyors.
> For Example, I had given a strong stand against Mr. Arvind Shinoy –the employee & Dr. Thakur –the vigilance officer –of New India Assurance Co. Ltd. for the burning issues of surveyors. They filed a case aginst me but later on they felt guilty for their misdeed & they withdrew their case at the time of court’s statement. So the court has given me clean chit.
> Next time , I took a stand against Mr. Chetan Thakkar – the Asst. Manager of New India Assurance Co. for Ahmedabad Surveyors regarding the pending survey fees & the harassment at the time of total loss survey work (I was not active as a surveyor or not on any post of IISA). So he lodged a police complaint against me to protect himself/ his job from my further steps. But later on the court has considered our argument |& At Last, the court gave me clean chit.
> As I was a president of Human relief Trust , I was helping each & every poor people by my own expenses. On Behalf of Mr. Kishan Chauhan , I filed a case against Oriental Insurance co to settle the claim of Mr. Kishan chauhan but the court did not grant his claim & ordered him to pay the cost of Rs. 10,000/ to insurance ccompany. The court had ordered to the party means Mr. Kishan Chauhan. I was only helping him as an advocate. Then also I was helping him to take this matter to supreme court but his capacity was very poor. Looking towards his economical position, I gave him the expenses to visit Delhi but later on he committed suicide & the matter was over.
> I have adopted this profession as my society and As I am not dependent on surveyor profession income, I never Afraid to take stand against the Insurance companies or their officers. It was all in the interest of fellow surveyors who were aggrieved due to one reason or the other. In the process, it was natural for the Insurance Officers to frame some charges against the person who was in the forefront. However, truth prevailed & they could not stop renewal of my licence from IRDA. The same stories of my fight for the fellow surveyors was unethically presented by my opponents as stories of my bad conduct. I was so upset by the slanderous propaganda presented by Mr Elango during the elections that I sought not to reply & thought that the members would themselves look into his designs. Some persons did send him the rejoinders, but still there might be many who could not understand Mr Elango & his group’s designs.
> Looking towards my efforts for the betterment of Surveyors’ fraternity, Gujarat surveyors once again elected me as a chapter chairman of Gujarat, IISA in the year 2002.
> During this, I also filed a Writ petition at Guj. High Court against in- house survey in 2006 with my personal fund of Rs. 40,000/-. I have never claimed for the expenses of writ petition from IISA or IIISLA. I am a social worker. I am a president of Muslim Education Trust. Under
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Dears,
Feelings of Mr. Tim are representing 99% surveyors of all over India.
I invited Mr. Tadha and Mr. Elangovan in Lucknow to sit on a table face to face. Mr. Bhatia may third party, if he come with positive thinking.
Please, pls, pls, pls, pls, pls, pls, pls, pls, COME FORWARD.
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shailesh shah
आप खुद लिखिए भले ही वोह अच्छी इंग्लिश ना हो, जो खुशबु आपने स्वयं कही हुई बातो में आती है वोह आपके मिल्स दूसरोंके द्वारा भेजे हें उसमे नहीं आती ..एक बात
दूसरी बात,,, आप तो समजदार इंसान हो भगवान से डरते हो, बहुत अच्छा समाज सेवा का काम करते हो, सब में एकता और इश्वर देखने का सन्निष्ठ प्रयास करते हो, तो फिर अब उन गुजरे हुए पलों का सहारा क्यूं ? गई गुजरी भूल जाओ, आपने कैसे दिन निकले भूल जाओ, कैसे अपने स्वन्तान्त्र्य
और स्वभिमानके लिए लड़त लड़ी भूल जाओ,
याद रखो सिर्फ उतना की, आपको आने वाली पीढ़ी को एक अच्छी राह दिखानी है और अभी जो लोग बचे है जो इमानदारीसे दो पैसा कमाना चाहते है उन्हें आपके constructive योगदान की जरुरी है, वे आपसे भिक मांग रहे है ,,क्या आप अपने आपको उस लायक भी नहीं समजते? चलो में सबसे पहले आपसे भिक मांगता हु की खुदा के लिए आप इलांगो को हमारे यहाँ बुलाइए, खर्चा हम निकालेंगे उनके आने जाने का, और सबको एक साथ बिठाके बात चित करने का, उनके साथ और भी लोगो को बुलाइए जिनके हाथ में दौर है ,,, जिनकी बदौलत हमे ये जीवनदान मिल सकता है !!
हम सुनेंगे ध्रुवाको भी और गोहिल को भी और मेहताजी को और उन सभी लोगोंको हम सुनना चाहते है वेह क्या सोचते है और क्या करते है .
आप यदि कोर्ट में केस दाखिल कर सकते हो और खर्च भुगतान कर सकते हो तो इतना और सही.
में इन्तजार में हूँ इस invitation का.
Message of Tim is in the right spirit and i also urge our friends
iqbal and elangovan to sit down together with us and try to listen to
our voice also, and then come to a common decision and start a journey
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You both know me and younger than me. Please note that you might have contested with each other or belong to opposite panels. But you both are not sworn enemies. Please sit down in the interest of IIISLA and fraternity kindly solve the problems between you both. I wish and bless you and pray GOD to shower his blessings on both of you. Let GOD bring tranquillity in the matter.
In case you need any one of us shall play any role you want to sort out matters.
P V RAJESWAR RAO
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Naresh Kukkar
We all are saying that both should sit and settle the issue. But for what solution?. On where they will reach?. There are two points Leadership and corruption. Leadership and taking a chair are two points. Leaders rule the hearts of followers and taking chair by other methods is different issue.Regarding corruption few take it as birth right as sab chalta hai and some fight to change the system. Ideology is different so the move also. Now IIISLA is only body representing the surveyors and our hopes are attached with this body. We have to give strength to protect our self in future otherwise we will be working with some contractor or shifting to any other work. Now left the in between way to solve the issue. who compromise how much and who sacrifice how much on ideology is point of future. Tab tak " tel deko tel Ke dhar dekho". Hope future is better for all of us
Naresh Kukkar
vipin shukla
Dear Bhatia sir,
You became angry. Why, I dont know. I am not saying that you have any negative mentality but I am surely saying that come forward with positive thinking. To save IIISLA, you have capabilty and I want to use it to SAVE IIISLA.
You have mentioned many equations of lobby. I am not contradicting your allegations but such type equations are also available at other hand. I, only want to demoilish these equations. It is also essential to SAVE IIISLA.
I want to clear you at first time that I am not spokes person of any lobby. I have written only my personal thoughts which I feel to SAVE IIISLA. I never discuss any issue wth Mr. Tripathi, Mr. Lalit Gupta or any body else before writting on board. I am requesting you to kindly change your opinion about me.
I invited all of you on a table in Lucknow with clean hearted. Agenda may be decided by you also but come forward to SAVE IIISLA with positive thinlking and without prejudice.
It will be great achievement from your side, if this type "arround the table talk" can be organised.
Please COME FORWARD. AB SHERO-SHAIRY SE KAM CHALNE WALA NAHIN HAI. IT IS VERY VERY SERIOUS ISSUE.
With regards.
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Let me quote from your own words
"Now IIISLA is only body representing the surveyors and our hopes are
attached with this body. We have to give strength to protect our self
in future otherwise we will be working with some contractor or
shifting to any other work. Now left the in between way to solve the
issue. who compromise how much and who sacrifice how much on ideology
is point of future. Tab tak " tel deko tel Ke dhar dekho". Hope future
is better for all of us"
Here, the question is how long we keep on waiting, closing our eyes
and thinking that, who compromise how much, and a day will come when
our future is going to be bright
The reason for me to suggest the mediation by a reputed person
acceptable to both the group, is only to explore the possibility of a
solution to the present stand off or at least to end the EGO CLASH
You agree that IIISLA is the only body representing the surveyors and
our hopes are attached with this body, and you also say that we have
to give strength to IIISLA, to protect our self in future otherwise we
will be working with some contractor or shifting to any other work,
and that is why I suggest what we may do.
At the same time, I am not suggesting that we should forget the fund
misappropriations of the hard earned money of the members. We have to
stop this and the culprits have to be taken to task, which is not
possible, unless IIISLA is strengthened as you suggest
Looking at the response I notice on the board, I feel that still no
one is very keen on resolving the issues, and Is it possible that
anything can be achieved, without taking any initiative by someone. I
request my prominent senior friends in the profession and the forum
moderators to take initiative to find a way out from the present
turmoil
LET US NOT FORGET THE OLD SAYING THAT "ONLY CRYING BABY GET THE MILK"
Good Luck and Best Regards to all
Tim Ashraff
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| Dada, I totally agree with what you have mentioned in last para, it is well planned game of IRDA & senior contract surveyors to give a saluting burial to SLA. With regards, Daljeet Singh +919848012700 +919949112700 Hyderabad --- On Sat, 28/5/11, goutam basu <gouta...@gmail.com> wrote: |
shailesh shah
want that revolt takes place within the fraternity so that they will
stand more chance to foster their contract system and if i read
correctly there are many corporate houses of surveyors who keep taking
lead in iiisla activities just to follow these contractors.
abhi bhi log jag nahi rahe hai uska matlab ek hi niklata hai ki unko
gulami achchhi lagati hai, unmein himmat nahin hai mardangi nahi hai
ki aage aaye aur sach bole
kahete hai ki aise logon ko jahnuum mein bhi jaga nahi milti,,, jo
apne dharma se chyut ho jate hai
Bhagwan unhe bhi sadbudhhi de
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chand Bhatia
Your this mail is much more sober and clear. You want to save IIISLA,
You say the situation is serious. I also say condition is serious. You
want that people should unite, but what happened in Kanpur and what
mail did you write in context to that. Wew you not the part of agenda
that I should not be present there. Is that the way you think that
Unity can be achieved. When I simply wrote that it shall be good if
the members who presented 64 UM case before Parliamentary Committee in
which Mr Mohan was member and present, it will represent a united face
before the outsider then what was the reply mail of yours, that I
should organise a similar function in Punjab. Does it not reflect
difference in your words and intentions.
My dear friend, I know you may not be seeking any advice from Lalit
Gupta for your mails, but you are certainly influenced by their
rumours. You know why do they not want my presence in such mass
functions, because they can spread such rumours against me and people
like you hardly apply mind to understand their politics. They worked
very hard against me that I should not be present in Dalhousie Seminar
and I could washand rumours all that was spread against me with their
rumours. In Allahabad also they could not propagate against me and
same happened in Bareilly they could not make even 1% impression
against me and then they went low in dirty politics of cast and youth
brigade and what not. They did in Kanpur that I should not be present
and all kind of rumours can be murmured by them in my absence.
शेर ओ शाइरी तो अपनी बात सहजता से कहने का अंदाज़ है गंभीर बात को गंभीर
अशार में कह दिया जाता है! मुझे हैरानी है कि आपको ये अंदाज़ पसंद नहीं
आया ज़िन्दगी में थोड़ी जगह शायरी और साहित्य को भी दो और फर्क महसूस करो
वैसे कहते हैं
मुहब्बत के लिए कुछ ख़ास दिल मखसूस होते हैं
ये वो नगमा है जो हर साज़ पे गाया नहीं जाता
जाते जाते एक बात और भी कह दूं जिन लोगो में तुम भविष्य देख रहे हो. ये
रास्ते के पत्थर हैं इन्हें ठोकर मार हटाओगे नहीं तो खुद इनसे ठोकर खाते
रहोगे ये बात अगर गुजरे तजुर्बों से समझ सको तो अच्छा है ! आग से जलने का
तजुर्बा हर एक नहीं करता, दूसरों के तजुर्बों से भी आदमी सीख सकता है!
IISA में भी यही लोग थे और इतना अनुभव क्या काफी नहीं है ! मुझ में
तुम्हे जो भी दोष दिख रहा है वो इनका फैलाया भ्रम है, मुझसे मिलोगे
परखोगे तो ये भ्रम दूर हो जायेंगे.
C K BHATIA
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> You became angry. Why, I dont know. I am not saying that you have any negative mentality but I am surely saying that come forward with positive thinking. To save IIISLA, you have capabilty and I want to use it to SAVE IIISLA.
>
> You have mentioned many equations of lobby. I am not contradicting your allegations but such type equations are also available at other hand. I, only want to demoilish these equations. It is also essential to SAVE IIISLA.
>
> I want to clear you at first time that I am not spokes person of any lobby. I have written only my personal thoughts which I feel to SAVE IIISLA. I never discuss any issue wth Mr. Tripathi, Mr. Lalit Gupta or any body else before writting on board. I am requesting you to kindly change your opinion about me.
>
> I invited all of you on a table in Lucknow with clean hearted. Agenda may be decided by you also but come forward to SAVE IIISLA with positive thinlking and without prejudice.
>
> It will be great achievement from your side, if this type "arround the table talk" can be organised.
>
> Please COME FORWARD. AB SHERO-SHAIRY SE KAM CHALNE WALA NAHIN HAI. IT IS VERY VERY SERIOUS ISSUE.
>
> With regards.
>
> Vipin Kumar Shukla,
> Panel Surveyor/Lucknow,
> 09415002675
>
> --- On Fri, 27/5/11, C K Bhatia <ckbhatia_surve...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> From: C K Bhatia <ckbhatia_surve...@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: {Surveyors:8388} Re: WHITE PAPER OF IIISLA
> To: insurance-su...@googlegroups.com
> Date: Friday, 27 May, 2011, 8:44 AM
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> Dear Mr Shukla
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> I am hearing for the first time that you invited Mr Elango & Mr Tadha in Lucknow. Have you tried to analyse that why the two did not come forward. You are sayng I am not positive, what are your grounds of saying so. If criticising wrong doings in the Institute is negativism then, what is your comment on your own open speaking to Mr Dhruva in open meeting at Kanpur almost a year back. Give me single example where I have said even a word of negativism for any good action. If I stood with Mr Tadha then it was certainly finding him to be positive in his approach. If I am right the extent of warm welcome and worship that was given to Mr Tadha by Mr Tripathi and Mr Lalit Gupta to such an extent that their families were also expressing loyalty to Mr Tadha and these are the people who are who are your closest associate to day. Mr Vipin Shukla, people may not believe what you say, but they shall have to believe what you will do. You also expressed your anger
> against misdoings against Mr Dhruva, but you looked for an opportunity to let Mr Dhruva make a trip to Kanpur and there after you simply surrendered to those who are indirectly committed to Mr Dhruva's agenda. Mr Arun Kumar is a close associate of Mr Dhruva. Mr Lalit Gupta is loyal to Mr Arun Kumar. This became clear from his recent mail on Ludhiana episode. Mr Tripathi is being well managed by Mr Lalit Gupta and you are working as per lobby of Mr Tripathi. Then where are you thinking positive and independent. What ever they want to say, they speak thru ypour mouth. Unfortunately your image is now a person of lobbyist. Janta ki awaz is not only Kanpur and Lucknow, Janta is all over country and there are no efforts to unite. Kanpur conclave proved that lobby you are working with does not want unity. Unity to you means only align with your lobby.
>
> I am neither a party nor associate of the wrongs that are being done or have been done. I am clear that I shall speak and certainly speak for any wrong that is observed immaterial of the propaganda that lobbist may make against me to be negative. As far as reconciliation among council members is concerned, I have my doubts that it can happen, because even reconciliators like you, Mr Tripathi have not shown the courage to go to Ahemdabad and the councilors, for whom, you worked so hard in collecting votes for, are most selfish. Present state of affairs is happy situation for them as they can carry on their contract work and let you keep crying.
>
> वतन की फ़िक्र कर नादाँ मुसीबत आने वाली है
> तेरी बरबादियों के मशविरे हैं आसमानों में
> न संभलोगे तो मिट जाओगे हिन्दोस्तान वालो
> तुम्हारी दास्ताँ तक न होगी दस्तानो में
>
> C K BHATIA
>
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> Dears,
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> Feelings of Mr. Tim are representing 99% surveyors of all over India.
>
> I invited Mr. Tadha and Mr. Elangovan in Lucknow to sit on a table face to face. Mr. Bhatia may third party, if he come with positive thinking.
>
> Please, pls, pls, pls, pls, pls, pls, pls, pls, COME FORWARD.
>
> With regards.
>
> Vipin Kumar Shukla,
> Panel Surveyor/Lucknow,
> 09415002675
>
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आप को मेरा सह्रदय प्रणाम
जब हम खुद 'उल्लू' बनाना चाहते है तो हमे इरडा क्यूं बचाए ?
क्या जरुरत थी हैदराबाद में ऑफिस बनानेके पीछे भाग दोद करने की जब आप ही के लोगोने इक्बल्जी को आगे करके बम्बई से ऑफिस शिफ्ट करवा ली, तब तो आप बहुत नारे लगते थे उनके सप्पोर्ट में फिर अब क्या हो गया?
अब भी वक़्त है, ऑफिस के झगड़ो में से बहार आओ, मौका भी है और दस्तूर भी है, करप्सन के विरुद्ध जो दावानल उगला है उसका भरपूर लाभ उठाइए, ,,थोड़ी सुस्ती से बहार आके झो दो पञ्च सही मुद्दे है उसे ध्यानसे गौरसे देखके, अपना नजरिया बदलके इक्बल्जी के साथ बैठ के बाते कीजिये और कुछ ठोस कदम उठाइए,,,ऐसा करने से आपका स्वस्थ्य भी अच्छा रहेगा और हमे भी चैन मिलेगी
आप तो बुज़ुर्ग है समजदार है फिर आपको भला कौन उल्लू बना सकता है !!!
कही आप अपनी क्षतियोंको छुपाने का प्रयास तो नहीं कर रहे हो ना?
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