Re: {Surveyors:35604} Re: MINUTES OF THE MEETING HELD ON DATED 22.07.2021 IN THE REGIONAL OFFICE, UIIC, LUDHIANA

[ramesh paul]

Dear All,

On careful scrutiny of the mails of Punjab chapter to CRM, UIIC RO Ludhiana dt 18.07.2021 & reply of the CRM dt. 20.07.2021, also marked to North Zone & IIISLA President and the two minutes of meeting by Punjab chapter & North Zone; it is observed as under.

1. It is not a fight between two groups of IIISLA, as is made out lightly by almost all the members on board except Mr Arun Mehta, presumably due to diplomacy of members, but is a crisis of hierarchy, indiscipline and loss of protocol which is very dangerous for any organisation- more so for a professional institute.

2. The mail dt. 18.07.2021 started the issue  with reference to the BM Navjot Singh who was already having an issue which was in process with IIISLA HO. The reply of the CRM did point towards that and the communication was marked to the North zone & the IIISLA President also due to obvious reasons.

3. As suggested by the minutes by UPS Sachdeva, vice Chairman North Zone, the meeting was fixed by the Chairman North Zone who also made it to attend the same under directions of IIISLA President. Even without President's directions also, he was competent to decide that way in the interest of creating harmony and avoiding bad taste in IIISLA relations with an insurance company. If North Zone Chairman had come with his home state chairman & secretary, it is not proper to say," Four IIISLA members (three from Haryana Chapter led by One from Punjab Chapter) suddenly surfaced at RO and attempted to join the meet by showing an email issued by The President, IIISLA.  Their presence was questioned and confronted by the Punjab Chapter Committee and finally the unwarranted persons were shown the door." This is affront by a state chapter to their superior office & officers of North Zone and the National President.

4. A serious note is put up by the Zonal Vice Chairman in his version of minutes," Mr. Inderpal Singh abruptly said that he and his team have no connection with these so-called delegates and their higher-ups and more so, Mr. Rahul Jadhav is going to retire very soon" This is not a professional talk by a state chapter official. Actually, every body is to retire. It may be a matter of days, months or years. But as long as one is in chair, the chair is to be respected.

5. As reported in minutes of meeting by the Zonal Vice Chairman, "CRM telephoned Mr. Jadhav, President, IIISLA and told him the situation prevailing in the office." (situation prevailing in the office was derogatory to the image of IIISLA as noted from the minutes of meeting.) 

6. The whole episode is a serious lapse of hierarchy & protocol and a matter of high indiscipline which needs to be  stopped from recurrence. IIISLA HO to take corrective steps.

Thanks & regards.

Er. RP Gupta

Chartered Engineer (M.I.E.), FIII, FIIISLA, Dip. Business Mgmt. (PAU)

Ex-Council Member, IIISLA

Address:

R.P. Gupta & Company

Insurance Surveyors, Valuers & Chartered Engineers

241-A, Aggar Nagar, Ludhiana, Punjab. Postcode: 141012.

Phone: +91-98140-03397, +91-161-4629659.

On Sunday, 25 July, 2021, 10:08:59 am IST, 'jogesh magoon' via Insurance surveyors <insurance...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

NOTHING BUT PURE POLITICS. GROUPISUM GOING TO HARM OUR PROFESSION. INSTEAD OF WASTING TIME AND ENERGY ON INTERNAL FIGHT WHY NOT SET ASIDE ALL DIFFERENCES AND WORK FOR WELFARE OF ALL ON COMMON AGENDA. REST UP TO YOU ALL LEADERS. PLEASE THINK & RISE ABOVE ALL. AFTER ALL THIS IS A FIGHT FOR SURVIVAL.

EITHER PERFORM OR PERISH

JOGESH KUMAR MAGOON

LUDHIANA

CELL: 9814001851

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On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 8:36 AM, 'parveen goyal' via Punjab Surveyors

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I AGREE WITH MR VARUN CHANDOK.

PARVEEN KUMAR GOYAL 

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On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 at 0:39, 'Varun Chandok' via Indian Independent Insurance Surveyor And Loss Assessors Bengal

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Respected Dinesh ji,

Kindly go through minutes of meeting of Punjab Chapter and then through that of North Zone appointment/deputed by National President. It is clear that when matter was brought into notice of NZ or CC, only then they intervened. There is no groups, only one Holy body IIISLA. We all are on this platform and associated with bond of IIISLA.

Regards,

Varun Chandok

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On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 at 17:36, dinesh goyal

<dkg....@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear sir

it is clear from the above mail and earlier  sent by Sh Inderpal ji that there are two groups of surveyors  working in Punjab not synchronising with each other. Common surveyor is in a fix how to decide which group is right and which is wrong. Anyhow, why are surveyors of Haryana are mingling in the affairs of punjab. WHO INFORMED THEM AND CALLED THEM FOR THE MEETING ??

But one thing is clear that  Common surveyor is feeling the brunt , paying a heavy price for all this from his own pocket.

I pray to God let maturity prevail on both the groups.

On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 1:32 AM Upinder Sachdeva <you...@gmail.com> wrote:

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From: IIISLA NORTH <iiislanor...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2021, 1:25 pm
Subject: MINUTES OF THE MEETING HELD ON DATED 22.07.2021 IN THE REGIONAL OFFICE, UIIC, LUDHIANA
To: <rahul.ja...@gmai.com>, Ajay Girdhar <ajaygi...@gmail.com>, vipin shukla <vipin_sh...@yahoo.co.in>, A. R. RAMESH <arramesh...@gmail.com>, <psgu...@uiic.co.in>, <dalee...@uiic.co.in>
Cc: 

MINUTES OF THE MEETING HELD ON DATED 22.07.2021 IN THE REGIONAL OFFICE, UIIC, LUDHIANA 

1. On having received the specific communication from Mr. inderpal Singh, Chairman, Punjab Chapter on dated 20.07.2021 to North Zone Chairman Mr. Krishan Sidhar, a meeting was fixed for dated 22.07.2021 with CRM, UIIC, Ludhiana for resolving the routine issues of Members as contained in mail dated 18.07.2021 sent by Mr. Inderpal Singh, and also in reply to that mail from the CRM dated 20.07.2021;

2. Mr. Inderpal Singh, later on, falsely communicated to CRM that Mr. K. Sidhar would not join the meeting and he would only handle it at his own. And, he also communicated his changed stance thereafter to Mr. Sidhar that he need not to come without clarifying him the reason thereto. However, before this sudden volte-face, Mr. Rahul Jadhav, President, IIILSA, had already given instruction to North Zone, Chairman &  also to Vice Chairman on 21.07.2021 with the clear advice to join the scheduled meeting on 22.07.2021 for updating the outcome to IIISLA, HO; 

3. Accordingly, a meeting on 22.07.2021 on the matter was held between the IIISLA Officials and UIIC Officials at R.O. Ludhiana. In the meeting, Mr. Krishan Sidhar, North Zone, Chairman, Mr. UPS Sachdeva, North Zone, Vice Chairman and Mr. R.K. Khetarpal, Chairman, Haryana Chapter being observer, Mr. A.P.S. Virk, Secretary, Haryana Chapter (observer) from IIISLA and Mr. UPS Gujral, worthy CRM & Mr. Daleep Kumar worthy R.M. from UIIC were present in the meeting. The representatives from Punjab Chapter were conspicuous by their deliberate absence till that time;

4. Mr. U.P.S. Gujral, CRM welcomed the delegates from IIISLA. The meeting, after having awaited the representatives from Punjab Chapter, when none came to sit, started at 3.50 P.M. Mr. Gujral, CRM, UIIC categorically stated the appalling behavior and unruly scene so created by Mr. Inderpal Singh half an hour before this meeting did start. Mr. Gujral was annoyed with Punjab Chapter Officials for sending and circulating an unprofessional mail dated 18.07.2021 which was lacking in common decency. He further stated that at 3.15 P.M. after knowing that the delegates from IIISLA had come outside, He called .   At the first moment, Mr. UPS Sachdeva took the seat before him but no body from the other members came inside. But, after around 10 minutes, Mr. Inderpal Singh came and sat before the CRM. He then started directing the CRM that Punjab Chapter has an independent identity itself and has no connection with IIISLA, North Zone or IIIISLA H.O. He further demanded unceremoniously to send Mr. UPS Sachdeva from Chamber of CRM, only then, the meeting can be started with other members. On this, Mr. Gujral requested him that all of you are from august body IIISLA and that he has received a mail from Mr. Rahul Jadhav, President, IIISLA confirming that Mr. K. Sidhar and Mr. U.P.S. Sachdeva as delegates from IIISLA shall be attending the meeting along with the other members . Moreover, Mr. Sidhar had fixed the time of meeting with him. At this, Mr. Inderpal Singh abruptly said that he and his team have no connection with these so-called delegates and their higher-ups and more so, Mr. Rahul Jadhav is going to retire very soon;

5. Worthy CRM tried to pacify Mr. Inderpal Singh that IIISLA is an institute recognised by IRDAI and your President, IIISLA had conveyed this message in clear terms. But, Mr. Inderpal Singh reluctantly insisted to send Mr. Sachdeva out from the room. The meeting can only be held subsequent his ouster. In the meantime, Mr. G.S. Sohal entered the room and took Mr. Inderpal Singh outside. It was observed that the mobile speaker was kept on during this episode and the persons outside were clearly hearing this conversation;

6. On this perplexing situation created by Mr. Inderpal Singh and his team, worthy CRM telephoned Mr. Jadhav, President, IIISLA and told him the situation prevailing in the office. After some time, Mr. Inderapal Singh again entered the Chamber and again dictated worthy CRM vehemently to direct Mr. Sachdeva to leave the room. Despite this unruly behavior of Mr. Inderpal Singh in front of the RO officials, Mr, Sachdeva tried to pacify that they were deputed by H.O. for keeping the dialogue in healthy and harmonious atmosphere; more over he is also a member in Punjab CHAPTER surveyors.

7. But, Mr. Inderpal Singh was adamant and told the CRM in clear terms that if the RO officials want to hold the meeting with representatives of Punjab Chapter, no outside person either from North Zone or IIISLA HO should be inside the chamber except his local team, otherwise, they were not interested to start the meeting. Again, Mr. G.S. Sohal entered the Chamber and rudely told that the said meeting would solely be for Punjab Chapter members and the so-called delegates shall have to leave the chamber. At this worthy CRM again requested that meeting can only be held  once and if they desire thay are free to go, and then both Mr. Sohal and Mr. Inderpal Singh  left the venue. The whole episode was also being observed by Regional Manager Mr. Daleep Kumar.

8. It was also revealed by the UIIC Officers that after going from the venue, Mr. Bhasin called the CRM over phone and again sought time for meeting. Worthy CRM initially refused and advised him to come in this meeting only if he really desires as meeting cannot be conducted for separately and also conveyed to him that there is a mail from Mr. Rahul Jadhav, President, IIISLA and time for meeting was fixed with North Zone Chairman Mr. Sidhar but Mr. Bhasin again told him that he does not recognize anybody. Mr. Jadhav is going to retire on 27th of this month. And, he sought separate time for his members of Punjab Team individually.

9. In the meeting Mr. K. Sidhar, Chairman North Zone requested that any of issues can be amicably sorted out across the table in a cordial atmosphere with harmonious industrial relations. Worthy CRM, UIIC told that he had already sent a mail regarding the resolution.

10. Mr. Daleep Kumar worthy RM, UIIC also reiterated the whole unfortunate episode and showed his annoyance on the blatantly stubborn (amateurish) and unruly conduct of Mr. Inderpal Singh. Mr. K. Sidhar told him that a suitable advisory to mend the ways shall be given, and this grave matter shall be brought in the notice of HO IIISLA. The meeting between us and the officials from UIIC was in cordial manner though the role of Punjab Chapter was depressing against the dignity of IIISLA as a whole. 

Krishan Sidhar 

U P S Sachdeva

R K Khetarpal

A P S Virk

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