AN APEAL TO EX DIRECTORS OF IIISLA @ NIA TPA in motor od claims

[VIPIN KUMAR SHUKLA]

                                                AN APPEAL

Dear Rahul Jadhav ji/Tanmay Sarkar ji/AR Ramesh ji/Sreekumar Pillai Ji/ Ajay Girdhar ji/Sachin Mulge JI/Daljeet Singh Ji/Rajneesh Desai Ji/DD Das ji/Manoj Bhargava Ji (Ex Directors of IIISLA)

Sir(S)---

All of you have worked as Director/Office bearer in the previous Central Council of IIISLA as well served for a long time and the members of IIISLA entrusted you with this responsibility.

Today, when the members have been disappointed from all sides, it is again your responsibility to work for them. You all cannot keep quiet just because members have elected an incompetent Central Council at present.

You are aware that GIPSA has given the claim assessment to a third party and in this sequence; a big GI company of INDIA--The New India Assurance Company has authorized an agency named Paramount to do motor claim assessment or survey.  About 80% of the surveyors will become unemployed by this step of NIA, especially the new coming surveyors who had decorated their dreams for their future will be disappointed.

I request all of you to guide all the members in this hour of crisis, think about what should be the strategy or what can be done; all the members are looking towards all you.

You are requested to consider request seriously.

Thanks & regards.

Vipin Kumar Shukla,

EX-DIRECTOR, IIISLA

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[Love Patel]

Dear Vipin Shukla Ji,

Greetings

Thanks for raising Alarm / Fire bell,

Your opinion matters too;

Please come forward with the suggestion, please.

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*Love Patel*
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[DINESH GOYAL]

Dear sirs

Nice mail by shukla ji. Need of the hour is to act collectively. If present council team for the reasons best known to themselves not taking any step to safe guard the interests of fraternity  , it is duty of ex. members to rise above the party line or politics and take some immediate action and also lead the fraternity.

I suggest  unit coordinator should  organise meetings to make aware all the surveyors and give their inputs to the chapter president .

WELL BEGIN IS HALF DONE

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[rahul jadhav]

Dear All

It's really a matter of urgency for quick remedial action against appointing of LAA by PSU like NEW INDIA ,Last year also members were taken for ride by the present CC while dealing with another PSU UNITED INDIA .

BUT unfortunately authorities like IRDAI , PSUs ,GIPSA etc take cognizance and recognise our IIISLA CC only for any official discussion/ affairs, they will not entertain EX directors directly Unless accompanied by current CC . 

At our times we used to take  knowledgeable ex directors with us for discussions even with IRDAI and PSUs if needed.

It's High time now current CC take up the matter on war footing OR members will never forgive them for deceiving them repeatedly.

I am ready to support any movement to save the fraternity , as it's   yet not TOO LATE.

A proper approach with PSUs will definitely compel them to rethink their decision to outsource survey jobs to LAA.( They have previously also  done  such activity of discontinuing thier Pilot project of outsourcing to LAA )

With warm regards

Er Rahul Jadhav

BE , PGDRIM ,LLM

[Manoj Bhargava]

Dear all concerned,

We are responsible for today's situation. At chapter level and as a IIISLA Director, I warned many times about today's situation, suggesting the solution too. But none of us heeded on time. Now, all the PSUs have developed their own software by spending lakhs of rupees and are becoming independent claim wise. 

When we needed to act to provide a platform to the members, we were busy in court cases etc.

Now we have learnt from Social Media that IIISLA has a tie-up with some company for portal/software. The big question arises whether any of PSUs or private insurers will use third party software. Action plan has to be discussed. I am available for any assignment in support of the fraternity.

We have to understand PSUs position. They are bound to earn profit now to survive like private insurers. They have to cut down the expenses. 

We have to take lessons from the past that Pre-Inspections used to be done by a surveyor, which we could not retain. Now none-technical firms have captured the market. Likewise, if we (IIISLA) can't act now, claims up to INR 50,000/- market will be gone from our hands. 

Go through IIB data "Distribution of No of claim paid bands" check Car & Two-Wheeler data and imagine the future of IIISLA members. 

IIISLA with full strength should act and review their policies according to the present situation. 

Regards

Manoj Bhargava

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[Chand Bhatia]

I think problem is not that we did not take timely action to develop a software. Problem was much different. Getting elected was with a sole aim to get an empanelment. 

Another problem was that entry of no qualified persons in the profession. Corrupt licencing department issued licence to fake qualification holders and then IIISLA office bearers allowed their membership. 

I hope you remember a case of Jaipur when unqualified person was granted membership during your tenure as chapter chairman. We also remember when a council member was found working with Auto Risk. Rajasthan Surveyors rather protected him. A case of bribe by a council member also cannot be forgotten. 

All cumulative have pulled down the image of IIISLA and profession.

Any msg now from ex council members is seen nothing more than a drama. Most of surveyors feel that profession has already expired for motor surveyors. It is only the last rights that are to be performed.

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[Ram Awadh]

Dear Sirs,

Although the appeal was made to ex directors or directors but as a fraternity member I am writing over a period of time on this group, as the matter is very related to common surveyors and their survivals.

 

Dear colleagues and seniors- the time,  technology, technological development and government policies in commerce, trade and industry have made drastic changes in thinking and behaviour of the bureaucracy and industry top managers. Cost cutting by all means/less expenditure and high out put are expectation of higher management and higher authorities either it is financial, or non financial industrial set up or any organisation. 

We the surveyors were enjoying the welfare state but regret to write the era is of commercial state. Our metro city clever and money maker surveyors are active since the begining of privatisation, some how are other to exploit the situation. They did well and also taught the industry, how cost cutting in survey and loss assessment is possible. The TPA came over trials, contractors earned a lot and taught to the industry, how one contractor can do survey 500 in a month, EOI trial suggested the ways how the PAN India survey by one corporate or contractor is possible. 

Now TPA a big fish will serve below 50k losses later 100k again over the period all losses. 

Surveyors remained in group and were handled by the station wise beneficiaries, they never thought of the profession and professional changes. Still the situation is same. 

IIISLA was created by the government on initiation of IRDA I. Its objectives were differ and beyond the capabilities of our leaders. Some of us were busy in appeasement, some how or other in petty issues, vote bank making and grouping. Some came to enhance their earning or self growth. 

We the members never voted objectively to strengthen the IIISLA. We voted the leaders with the slogan - jaha aapka khoon bahega vaha ham apna paseena baha denge because they know your nerves. 

You could not asked them so far how much they are earning and what capabilities they have to develop this IIISLA in to a reputed institute. If IIISLA had been able to lead this industry as the government assumption was, while forming and including its name as a professional body of SLA's in a statute the situation would have been differ. 

The key role of Surveyor and loss assessors in general insurance industry can not be ruled out. Our role in the industry been very much regarded and taken as a big tool but we have given Passover. Now at the juncture, common surveyors survival is under stake is less correct because common surveyors were blown gradually and slowly slowly we have reached today 's situation. 

Be united, be one minded, be upgraded and be cooperative in coordination. You can control the situation again in your favour otherwise be ready to diminish slowly slowly. 

Regards

Ram Avadh Singh

Ghaziabad 

Chairman UP Chapter IIISLA

 

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[Naresh Kumar Kukkar]

Dear Friends, 

Change is the law of nature and should be accepted. We see many things, which not change with change lose value in time.  The insurance industry is changing a lot. We are mostly dependent on PSU. They are changing due to changes in the industry environment. They are fighting with companies having less than 1/20 expenses than their own. They have to find a way to survive. So they are choosing other alternatives. 

Many have raised the issues is past that we have to be a united, modern, tech-savvy and most desirable claim settlement body for all insurers. But we are drowning by our own weight. Mostly because we think for ourselves and not IIISLA as a united body.   But things are not as bad as it looks.  We have not learnt lessons from the past but we can revive. Even in most developed countries, insurance surveyors are not surviving only but rising and earning huge.  We all should change with change to be the front-runner claim assessment body not to serve India but on the international front also.  Be a body with all types of insurance claim services, tech-savvy, knowledge sharing, and be the alternative to each claim processing company.  Each good company is outsourcing and for the insurance industry, there is no such company.  We should work on it.  

with regards             

[Debashis Karmakar]

Dear All,

Mr. Tanmoy will come forward or not, we dont know, But it is well known that in IIISLA C C he is the one and only person who passed the maximum time in his tenure as 'GOOD FOR NOTHING'. The propaganda catered here by Mr. Dulal of Assam is cooked by Mr. Tanmoy of Bengal to get the breeze into his sail-as of boat pulled by Mr Vipin Shukla by his starting of this Mail-Chain. Mr. Biman (Sec. of Bengal Chapter) has already shown himself as disciple of Mr. Tanmoy - once National ('International' - in his own language) Secretary having Nil work for members and welfare by his non performance, incapability, lack of communication skill-quality-qualification. 

Members were unaware then. And since then some little litterete persons are dominating or try to deceive us, the community.. But now the scenario has been changed with the changing of industrial momentum. Members are aware now, and have the capacity to identify the genuine (person / item) carefully. So catering the perished food by the first person can not be acceptable even by the second person while pushed by him.

Members pl. choose your Leaders by ownself from your own place with own common equal feeling. Only then they can  bring the bright morning by the new sun from the revolutionary horizon. 

Good Night

with respect to all and everybody's feeling in present situation,

I, Debashis Karmakar , 

Protesting For Protecting Poor Victimized Surveyors.

On Sat, Aug 12, 2023 at 12:57 PM Biman Banerjee <survey...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear friends,

I second Dulal da's opinion. 

Regards

Biman Banerjee 

On Sat, Aug 12, 2023, 12:31 Dulal Das <dula...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear All,

 

There is nothing to display by ex and present IIISLA CC portfolio holders about their achievement in LAA, of course, with an exception.

 

Tanmoy tried with his then other 3 CC portfolio holders (some one termed them as residual CC members) and succeeded. He was removed for greater prosperity of IIISLA members. Then  IIISLA portfolio holders made some moves on NIACL and opponents laughed at that it made personal benefit of some one or two. 

And now everything is History.  (Naishad Desai's  social messages can be recalled). Thanks to those CC members who showed the EXIT door to Tanmoy.

 

No repentance from those who showed the exit door to Tanmoy. And NOW, they are trying to show that they are the saviours of IIISLA individual members. Hypocrisy has its own limit and it is exceeded here.

 

Bring Tanmoy, give him total authority to lead the matter; however, he should take guidance from @3 - 6 members to drive his point. It is a proven fact that none can negotiate like Tanmoy.

 

Will present IIISLA CC agree? Or do members agree?

 

This is issued WITHOUT PREJUDICE.

D C DAS

PS: A bill is placed to remove CJI from the selection committee of ECI and ECs. SLAs are products of law made by the Parliament. Samajhnewaloke liye isaara kaafi hein.

On Sat, Aug 12, 2023 at 9:49 AM Chinmoy Mondal <chin...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Friends

I think there is no way left for us other than mass agitation in front of the Government just like we did in Jantar Mantar.

All the agencies including IRDAI accept the importance of SLA in the insurance industry but they still provocating all the insurers to destroy 64UM. If we win the case in the supreme court also, the situation will not change because on paper they are not accepting the violations. Few of our members deliberately help them to suppress the facts of violations. I think we need to think about this seriously.

From

 

Chinmoy Mondal

Surveyor & Loss Assessor

On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 at 12:36, Atul Deshpande <deshpande...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi friends

It is observed that we lost all legal cases in the court regarding this matter, which were baselessly filed, I think only to the point matter can be resolved for such a drastic situation.  So discuss the matter by forming the committee without IIISLA involvement in it and challenge it with proper points in the Supreme Court for NSL.   This is the only remedy other situations are temporary such as discussing the matter with officials of IRDA or IIISLA directors.  Hope all of you will take it seriously and take proper steps to save our profession, as this will be our final chance.  So take proper care.  Our profession is going to finish, so this is a do or die situation, don't care about what iiisla or IRDAI will think about us.

With Best Regards

Atul B. Deshpande

Insurance Surveyor

Fellow Member F/w 03632

09372278889, 07972246542

"Shivashish" Swastik Chowk

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[Dadashree.Sharma]

Respected All: 

Now we can feel the heat stroke. Mr. Vipin Shukla put an appeal to ex-directors but Ram Avadh Singh has the opinion that these are the professional leaders and have the trick to winning the election, Sh Manoj Bhargava reminded that he has warned the then council of the consequences and process adopted by the PSU, Some Bangali has their own /personal problem in between Tanmoy and Dulal Dass they are not afraid of LAA or else. Mr. Naresh Kukkar is justifying that they are changing due to the change in insurance industries. He is all time satisfied with no action no suggestion. 

My quarry is, can we contribute to management without an election? What for Vipin Shukla appealing, and why only to the ex-director, who has played a long term with a full-fledged majority and free hand in IIISLA management? The situation of the present team can not be termed a savior. It is worsening day by day and perhaps will improve only after the election or abolishing the profession. 

Everybody named by Sh. Vipin Shukla writes that he offer himself to be there, I am ready to fight for the profession, I am to support the movement, but who is going for the movement or going to take some savior steps and what are the prospective steps to be taken. Will they alone go to counter the situation? 

Recently, when UIIC start the LAA, unfortunately, I was the first person to give a call for strike with Punjab Chapter, I know how could we manage the support, Himachal chapter came after 2 days and U.P. Chapter the savior, Mr. Ram Avadh, Vipin Shukla, Nirmal Tripathi, Manoj Shrivastava took 7 days, Delhi after 9 days, Jharkhand and some south state did not come. In short, I and my team contacted, all the previous and present CC members, but marginal support was there. Sh. Rishi Bhasin was the first CC member and then Lalit Gupta give the morale boost and the matter was discussed at H.O. Level. Then the common call was given and thanks to the Haryana, Punjab, U.P. Bihar, Delhi, Rajasthan, J&K, U.K. M.P. members who stopped the work and raised the pressure. A union of the General Employees' Officer Association helps us our president and General Secretary of the association have a talk for the common cause.  

I am not disappointed but want to confirm from the appellant and the leaders what idea you have and what prospective steps you are capable to take in favor of the profession. If it is secret and confidential then start without any delay, be assured that I and the like-minded members will support anyone unconditionally. Let's have the3 last chance.  

 With High regard to the saviors.

Dadashree.Sharma 

[VIPIN KUMAR SHUKLA]

Friends,

There is a strong suspicion that all of us independent surveyors are becoming victims of a big conspiracy. LAA is not being opposed by our leaders. 12 Sep 2023 Delhi High Court hearing is a direct proof of this. Kerala surveyors are on strike. To consider this, a Zoom meeting has been organized tomorrow, Friday, September 15 at 07 pm. All of you are requested to attend this important meeting. The link is given below.

VIPINKUMAR SHUKLA is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.

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Thanks & regards.

Vipin Kumar Shukla,

Former Director,

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