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Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2021, 1:25 pm
Subject: MINUTES OF THE MEETING HELD ON DATED 22.07.2021 IN THE REGIONAL OFFICE, UIIC, LUDHIANA
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MINUTES OF THE MEETING HELD ON DATED 22.07.2021 IN THE REGIONAL OFFICE, UIIC, LUDHIANA 

1. On having received the specific communication from Mr. inderpal Singh, Chairman, Punjab Chapter on dated 20.07.2021 to North Zone Chairman Mr. Krishan Sidhar, a meeting was fixed for dated 22.07.2021 with CRM, UIIC, Ludhiana for resolving the routine issues of Members as contained in mail dated 18.07.2021 sent by Mr. Inderpal Singh, and also in reply to that mail from the CRM dated 20.07.2021;

2. Mr. Inderpal Singh, later on, falsely communicated to CRM that Mr. K. Sidhar would not join the meeting and he would only handle it at his own. And, he also communicated his changed stance thereafter to Mr. Sidhar that he need not to come without clarifying him the reason thereto. However, before this sudden volte-face, Mr. Rahul Jadhav, President, IIILSA, had already given instruction to North Zone, Chairman &  also to Vice Chairman on 21.07.2021 with the clear advice to join the scheduled meeting on 22.07.2021 for updating the outcome to IIISLA, HO; 

3. Accordingly, a meeting on 22.07.2021 on the matter was held between the IIISLA Officials and UIIC Officials at R.O. Ludhiana. In the meeting, Mr. Krishan Sidhar, North Zone, Chairman, Mr. UPS Sachdeva, North Zone, Vice Chairman and Mr. R.K. Khetarpal, Chairman, Haryana Chapter being observer, Mr. A.P.S. Virk, Secretary, Haryana Chapter (observer) from IIISLA and Mr. UPS Gujral, worthy CRM & Mr. Daleep Kumar worthy R.M. from UIIC were present in the meeting. The representatives from Punjab Chapter were conspicuous by their deliberate absence till that time;

4. Mr. U.P.S. Gujral, CRM welcomed the delegates from IIISLA. The meeting, after having awaited the representatives from Punjab Chapter, when none came to sit, started at 3.50 P.M. Mr. Gujral, CRM, UIIC categorically stated the appalling behavior and unruly scene so created by Mr. Inderpal Singh half an hour before this meeting did start. Mr. Gujral was annoyed with Punjab Chapter Officials for sending and circulating an unprofessional mail dated 18.07.2021 which was lacking in common decency. He further stated that at 3.15 P.M. after knowing that the delegates from IIISLA had come outside, He called .   At the first moment, Mr. UPS Sachdeva took the seat before him but no body from the other members came inside. But, after around 10 minutes, Mr. Inderpal Singh came and sat before the CRM. He then started directing the CRM that Punjab Chapter has an independent identity itself and has no connection with IIISLA, North Zone or IIIISLA H.O. He further demanded unceremoniously to send Mr. UPS Sachdeva from Chamber of CRM, only then, the meeting can be started with other members. On this, Mr. Gujral requested him that all of you are from august body IIISLA and that he has received a mail from Mr. Rahul Jadhav, President, IIISLA confirming that Mr. K. Sidhar and Mr. U.P.S. Sachdeva as delegates from IIISLA shall be attending the meeting along with the other members . Moreover, Mr. Sidhar had fixed the time of meeting with him. At this, Mr. Inderpal Singh abruptly said that he and his team have no connection with these so-called delegates and their higher-ups and more so, Mr. Rahul Jadhav is going to retire very soon;

5. Worthy CRM tried to pacify Mr. Inderpal Singh that IIISLA is an institute recognised by IRDAI and your President, IIISLA had conveyed this message in clear terms. But, Mr. Inderpal Singh reluctantly insisted to send Mr. Sachdeva out from the room. The meeting can only be held subsequent his ouster. In the meantime, Mr. G.S. Sohal entered the room and took Mr. Inderpal Singh outside. It was observed that the mobile speaker was kept on during this episode and the persons outside were clearly hearing this conversation;

6. On this perplexing situation created by Mr. Inderpal Singh and his team, worthy CRM telephoned Mr. Jadhav, President, IIISLA and told him the situation prevailing in the office. After some time, Mr. Inderapal Singh again entered the Chamber and again dictated worthy CRM vehemently to direct Mr. Sachdeva to leave the room. Despite this unruly behavior of Mr. Inderpal Singh in front of the RO officials, Mr, Sachdeva tried to pacify that they were deputed by H.O. for keeping the dialogue in healthy and harmonious atmosphere; more over he is also a member in Punjab CHAPTER surveyors.

7. But, Mr. Inderpal Singh was adamant and told the CRM in clear terms that if the RO officials want to hold the meeting with representatives of Punjab Chapter, no outside person either from North Zone or IIISLA HO should be inside the chamber except his local team, otherwise, they were not interested to start the meeting. Again, Mr. G.S. Sohal entered the Chamber and rudely told that the said meeting would solely be for Punjab Chapter members and the so-called delegates shall have to leave the chamber. At this worthy CRM again requested that meeting can only be held  once and if they desire thay are free to go, and then both Mr. Sohal and Mr. Inderpal Singh  left the venue. The whole episode was also being observed by Regional Manager Mr. Daleep Kumar.

8. It was also revealed by the UIIC Officers that after going from the venue, Mr. Bhasin called the CRM over phone and again sought time for meeting. Worthy CRM initially refused and advised him to come in this meeting only if he really desires as meeting cannot be conducted for separately and also conveyed to him that there is a mail from Mr. Rahul Jadhav, President, IIISLA and time for meeting was fixed with North Zone Chairman Mr. Sidhar but Mr. Bhasin again told him that he does not recognize anybody. Mr. Jadhav is going to retire on 27th of this month. And, he sought separate time for his members of Punjab Team individually.

9. In the meeting Mr. K. Sidhar, Chairman North Zone requested that any of issues can be amicably sorted out across the table in a cordial atmosphere with harmonious industrial relations. Worthy CRM, UIIC told that he had already sent a mail regarding the resolution.

10. Mr. Daleep Kumar worthy RM, UIIC also reiterated the whole unfortunate episode and showed his annoyance on the blatantly stubborn (amateurish) and unruly conduct of Mr. Inderpal Singh. Mr. K. Sidhar told him that a suitable advisory to mend the ways shall be given, and this grave matter shall be brought in the notice of HO IIISLA. The meeting between us and the officials from UIIC was in cordial manner though the role of Punjab Chapter was depressing against the dignity of IIISLA as a whole. 


Krishan Sidhar 
U P S Sachdeva
R K Khetarpal
A P S Virk

dinesh goyal

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Jul 24, 2021, 7:38:03 AM7/24/21
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Dear sir
it is clear from the above mail and earlier  sent by Sh Inderpal ji that there are two groups of surveyors  working in Punjab not synchronising with each other. Common surveyor is in a fix how to decide which group is right and which is wrong. Anyhow, why are surveyors of Haryana are mingling in the affairs of punjab. WHO INFORMED THEM AND CALLED THEM FOR THE MEETING ??
But one thing is clear that  Common surveyor is feeling the brunt , paying a heavy price for all this from his own pocket.
I pray to God let maturity prevail on both the groups.



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Jul 25, 2021, 12:38:57 AM7/25/21
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NOTHING BUT PURE POLITICS. GROUPISUM GOING TO HARM OUR PROFESSION. INSTEAD OF WASTING TIME AND ENERGY ON INTERNAL FIGHT WHY NOT SET ASIDE ALL DIFFERENCES AND WORK FOR WELFARE OF ALL ON COMMON AGENDA. REST UP TO YOU ALL LEADERS. PLEASE THINK & RISE ABOVE ALL. AFTER ALL THIS IS A FIGHT FOR SURVIVAL.
EITHER PERFORM OR PERISH
JOGESH KUMAR MAGOON
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On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 8:36 AM, 'parveen goyal' via Punjab Surveyors
I AGREE WITH MR VARUN CHANDOK.
PARVEEN KUMAR GOYAL 


On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 at 0:39, 'Varun Chandok' via Indian Independent Insurance Surveyor And Loss Assessors Bengal
Respected Dinesh ji,

Kindly go through minutes of meeting of Punjab Chapter and then through that of North Zone appointment/deputed by National President. It is clear that when matter was brought into notice of NZ or CC, only then they intervened. There is no groups, only one Holy body IIISLA. We all are on this platform and associated with bond of IIISLA.

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Raj Kumar Khetarpal

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Jul 25, 2021, 11:49:29 AM7/25/21
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Dear Friends,
                   One more fact regarding the behavior of Mr Basin , when we met him initially, before the meeting , he welcomed us in a nice way, but after the meeting he rang Mr Virk ( secretory  Haryana chapter) and started abusing him , he even told Mr. Virk that in future he should not enter Punjab without his permission. I want to ask the members , whether Mr Basin has purchased the Punjab, because for entering Punjab his permission is required. Same way he had earlier threatened Mr. Manchanda of Jammu. If the members has elected such a fellow in North Zone Council, they should think , what a blunder they have done by electing him. I have got a video, in which Mr. Basin is heard abusing Mr. Virk and threatening him. I do not want to share the video, since it is not  worth hearing , as the language used by Mr Basin is so absurd that a decent member will close his ears . 

Regards,

R. K. Khetarpal
# 9810131884
Chairman, IIISLA,
Haryana Chapter.


On Sunday, 25 July, 2021, 12:47:31 am IST, RAJESH AGGARWAL <rajeshag...@gmail.com> wrote:


Dear All
We Punjab Surveyors have right to know who is telling truth because in earlier communication received from Punjab Chapter,it has been conveyed that a meeting has been held between UII RO & Punjab team but now it is being told that meeting between Punjab Chapter & UII RO never held
Can the real facts may be disclosed?

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Raj Kumar Khetarpal

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Jul 28, 2021, 2:16:57 AM7/28/21
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Dear Sir,
            First of all I will request you to mind your language while writing in public , otherwise I know how to deal with the people like you. You are no body to threaten me or comment regarding my activities or for that reason any body.
             Regarding Chapter activities and meetings , it has been conveyed to the coordinator concerned , if the coordinator has not shared the out cum of our efforts/ meetings with the regional offices , please ask them to share with you.
              Regarding expenses, you may approach our Treasurer Mr Sunil Vashisht, he will tell you the amount of expenses , till date which took place with regional heads or otherwise.
              You are requested to come through proper channel and follow  protocol .i.e through unit co coordinator for any clarifications, if you are coming through different groups , I am sorry we will not reply you, if not satisfied with his clarification you may approach the Haryana chapter council members. If not satisfied with the clarification of Haryana chapter council members , you may approach any where you like.

Regards,

R. K. Khetarpal
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Chairman, IIISLA
Haryana, Chapter


On Monday, 26 July, 2021, 10:47:40 pm IST, Naveen Singla <naveen...@gmail.com> wrote:


Respected sir
Shri Khetarpal ji
Chairman Haryana chapter ?

Please share any work done by you in favour of common surveyor ?
How you dare to intervene in Punjab Chapter?
As all of us know that you are only a puppet and nothing else?
Had you respond to any issues of Haryana Chapter brought to to your notice?

How many times you Mr. Chairman of Haryana chapter along with NZ Chairman 
Took meetings with the Haryana  controlling Regional Managers.
Please also share the amount and mode of expense which you all had spend for such meeting

Regards but nevertheless
Naveen Singla


On Mon 26 Jul, 2021, 9:53 PM 'Raj Kumar Khetarpal' via Indian Independent Insurance Surveyor And Loss Assessors Bengal, <iiisla...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Dear Friends,
                    Instead of pacifying the issue, some people put oil in the fire, which is not at all expected from  a learned member.

Regards,

R. K. Khetarpal
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On Monday, 26 July, 2021, 05:18:39 pm IST, Radhe Shyam Garg <gargsu...@gmail.com> wrote:


Meeting relates to Punjab Chapter and it is very serious that the office bearers from Haryana is participating in the meeting.This was the pre decided drama and whole system is Hyjecked by Sh Kishan Sidhar Zonal Chairman.
Why the premission of Haryana office bearers has been granted which itself proves that office bearers of Punjab are not capable to solve the matter.
It is a big Tamacha on the mouth of Punjab surveyors and UPS Sachdeva should oppose all this and should bycatt so called IIISLA leaders for the deginity of Punjab surveyors.

On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 10:12 AM om parkash madaan <opmad...@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Friends,

Sorry affairs of leg pulling and mud slugging  in units and chapters are going on by our leaders with un- social language is really matter of very shameful for all of us.

We are loosing our personal and friendly relations on the cost of lust of chair.

Perhaphs this is affacting peace of mind of all involved in the episodes going on. This is not good for our health.

Mine is a small opinion to all leaders to  devote their time for improvement of Services with quality settlement of claims and reports.

IIISLA leadeship chair give what special benefit to post holders. I think there is nothing more than an Ego.  

So please stop all these activities and devote your sincere efforts to improve our services in present scenario.

Regards, 

O.P.Madaan 
Sla Sirsa 



On Mon, 26 Jul 2021, 09:41 Sunil Dhawan, <dhawan...@hotmail.com> wrote:
DEAR ALL,

But few persons spoil iiisla image.  some persons dont want to do anything & don't let others do, as they have done in DELHI CHAPTER.

Our so called Delhi chapter chairman is absconding for the last 9 months & as per his friends he is in Bihar .Why you have given him responsibilities' see yourself then tell others. Punjab cahpter is doing wonderful job. Keep it up. 


FOR SUNIL DHAWAN & CO.
SURVEYORS & LOSS ASSESSORS,
PH-9810043303

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