Re: Why Categorisation is important for the Surveyor Fraternity?

[Balasubramanyam K]

Dear Binu Varkey,

This subject point I am raising it from the last four years.  Our CC is in slumber/deep sleep over the last four and half years.

Neither our CC has time nor our members has time to read the IDRAI Notification of December 2020.  Even if our CC reads the Notification, they generally misunderstand like what has happened in the past like placing order for software and giving Bank Guarantee for Rs. Two crores and purchasing the Server for Rs.Seventy Lacs prior to the development of software and so on.

Mr. Varkey, please understand that not only levels or categorisation is removed vide the above circulor/notification, even the Training programs conducted by IIISLA has been discountinued vide the above notification. Now,  for conducting any training program, IIISLA has to obtain prior permission or approval of IRDAI. The reason for such situation is exploitation of money and misuse of money collected for training programs and not giving proper accounts for it.

Now, come to the crux or core issue of the problem.  Whether our CC had any MIMUM CONCERN for this?  Whether they have written to IRDAI regarding this during the last four years? Every infornation, our CC is hiding from the nembers. 

All these years, our CC is concerned with retaining the chairs and positions?  Atleast now onwards let us expect our CC to function wisely.

 

K. Balasubramanyam

ICWA(I), IIISLA, AIII, FIII, CIAP

Mob: 9742900777

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Insurance Surveyors & Loss Assessors

(Fire, Marine Cargo & Miscellaneous)

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No. 113, 3rd Cross, 2nd Stage, AGB Layout,

Mahalakshmipuram, Bangalore 560086

On Mon, 21 Apr, 2025, 7:28 am Binu Varkey, <binu.s...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Surveyors,

Greetings of the day.

The Surveyor Regulation is a Statutory Regulation that must be followed by everyone. If the Regulation mandates the categorisation of the surveyor, it will be followed by every entity involved with the Surveyor Community. but the removal of categorisation has freed all the insurers.

Our leaders ignored the removal of categorisation from Surveyor Regulation, and this has freed all the Insurance Industry Stakeholders to ignore the categorisation of the surveyors and now any surveyor can handle claims of any quantum. There are no guidelines to question the same.

It also means that the experience of the surveyor is not a criterion for entrusting an assignment.  

The only guidelines that are speaking about the categorisation as of now is the AOA and it need not be followed by anyone except IIISLA. It can be ignored by IIISLA members.

In the Surveyor Regulation 2020 the following aspects have also been omitted.

14. (1) A Surveyor and Loss Assessor shall be categorized on the basis of level of membership allotted by the Institute. The three levels of membership in the Institute viz Licentiate, Associate and Fellow, shall be as defined in these Regulations.

14. (2) Every Surveyor and Loss Assessor, whether a company or firm or an individual, shall be eligible to carry on the work as a surveyor and loss assessor, as per the level of membership allotted by the Institute and specified in the license.

Under the above circumstance what is the guidelines that Insurance Companies should follow as of now? IIISLA’s AOA is not binding to any insurer.

Let the facts not be suppressed by those who could not act and now justify their deeds and inability.

One day there will be no more Surveyor Regulations if we ignore the intention of removal of Categorisation from Surveyor Regulation. It's time to act and bring back Categorisation into Surveyor Regulation.

Thanks and Regards

Binu Varkey

Insurance Surveyor and Loss Assessor

QTTSC & IRF Trained - Crash Investigator

Mob:9447187319

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[Balasubramanyam K]

Dear Srikanth Acharya,

We need not search for SOLUTIONS seperately and there is no need for it.  It is there in the PROBLEMS itself.

Please see my Email dated today.  If our CC starts working from today onwars with common sense and intelligence, there will not be any problem at all.

There is no seperate committee to be formed for this purpose or any expert is required.  

Thanks & Regards 

K. Balasubramanyam

ICWA(I), IIISLA, AIII, FIII, CIAP

Mob: 9742900777

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Insurance Surveyors & Loss Assessors

(Fire, Marine Cargo & Miscellaneous)

________________________________________________

No. 113, 3rd Cross, 2nd Stage, AGB Layout,

Mahalakshmipuram, Bangalore 560086

On Mon, 21 Apr, 2025, 7:44 am Srikanth Acharya, <srikanth...@gmail.com> wrote:

Friends,
Instead
All of you find solutions for the problems.
Everyone speaks about the problems.

With regards

S.P.Acharya
9036007743

On Mon, 21 Apr, 2025, 07:40 ramesh kumar, <ram...@gmail.com> wrote:

This your view seems to be from your pea sized brain and I really pity your low IQ ...

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[Binu Varkey]

[Binu Varkey]

Dear Ramesh Kumar Pattisapu and All,

    When I wrote the bitter facts, the things were divulged by some illiterates as a dart deflected by a wrong intention. The truth is that the Licentiate will not be a Licentiate throughout his career. After a certain period the Licentiate becomes Associate and the Associate becomes a Fellow. Think about the situation that will prevail when  today's Licentiate becomes Fellow. We need a proper framework, when the categorisation is completely eliminated from the Regulations. We should not be misused by any insurer. IIISLA is the only entity that can set right the issue of categorisation. 

     When Categorisation is only in the AOA of IIISLA, what is the need of training and education to upgrade from Licentiate to Associate and then to Fellow. By virtue of the number of years, you are automatically bound to become Associate and then Fellow. The deliberate elimination of Categorisation is a strategic move to side line the surveyor profession and to eliminate the profession. Many of them wrote and supported the facts because they had the vision of the future of this noble profession. 

     IIISLA council has to work hard on various issues and come out with alternatives to address the issues faced by the surveyor community. But the truth is that none of the past councils have really worked on the key issues faced by the Surveyor Community. It's time to wake up and members should become proactive in getting resolutions and clarity.

 

    Mr.Ramesh Kumar Pattisapu wrote that my brain is pea sized and when I asked him to suggest an alternative to the issue he ran away. You are only empanelled in Engineering, Fire and Marine Cargo Departments. If your pea sized brain permits you to remain as a Licentiate for the Lifetime then your mindset is frozen. You are only a new entrant into this profession and I have been in this profession for more than 25 Years and Telangana Surveyors know very well the facts that I write are the harsh reality faced by the Surveyor Community. I do not understand why and who made you write this. Please go through the regulations and study the duties and responsibilities of the surveyor and become literate. 

    Hope Justice Prevails. I conclude with a saying "The greatest artist was once a beginner - Unknown"

      

Regards

   

Binu Varkey

Insurance Surveyor and Loss Assessor

QTTSC & IRF Trained - Crash Investigator

Mob:9447187319

[Srikanth Acharya]

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With regards

S.P.Acharya
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[Srikanth Acharya]

Friends,
Instead
All of you find solutions for the problems.
Everyone speaks about the problems.

With regards

S.P.Acharya
9036007743

On Mon, 21 Apr, 2025, 07:40 ramesh kumar, <ram...@gmail.com> wrote:

This your view seems to be from your pea sized brain and I really pity your low IQ ...

On Mon, 21 Apr 2025, 07:28 Binu Varkey, <binu.s...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Balasubramanyam K]

Mr. Santu Thakur,

Can you please clarify me on what basis you raise the Survey Fee Bill on the insurance company if you blindly say that categorization is not followed?

By whom it is followed or not followed?  That is the point.  Our CC is in Coma/ Deep Sleep for FOUR long years and they have to wake up and raise the issue with our Regulator IRDAI. IRDAI asked our Associate and Fellow Surveyors to pass the IRDAI prescribed examination for surveyor and our people protested taking examination, instead of proving their ability. This removal of categorisation by IRDAI is the outcome of our senior surveyors refusal to pass the surveyor  examination.

Have you seen any institution or organisation keeping Eight long years for moving from one level to another level?  Is it not too long years?. No examination to prove one's knowledge and that too IIISLA's primary objective is to promote education. Are we moving in phase with IIISLA's primary objective?     Our seniors wanted to take undue advantage of their seniority at the cost of junior serveyors.  

My suggestion is, let IRDAI need not insist on writing and passing the surveyor examination for these senior surveyors.  Atleaset to prove one's knowlege and competency, let all the surveyors take up the III Examination for Associate Level and Fellow Level or any other tougher examination, based on passing these examinations, the levels like Associate and Fellow may be given to the surveyors.

You see in Banks, the clerk has to pass the Officers Examination to go the next level, otherwise he will remain as clerk through out his entire service irrespective of number of years of service.

This will be the ideal proposition.

K. Balasubramanyam

ICWA(I), LIIISLA, AIII, FIII, CIAP

Mob: 9742900777

________________________________________________

Insurance Surveyors & Loss Assessors

(Fire, Marine Cargo & Miscellaneous)

________________________________________________

No. 113, 3rd Cross, 2nd Stage, AGB Layout,

Mahalakshmipuram, Bangalore 560086

On Tue, 22 Apr, 2025, 9:50 pm santu thakur, <freshenvironm...@gmail.com> wrote:

Stop bakbas

On Tue, 22 Apr 2025, 2:15 pm Vijayakumar N G, <ng.vija...@gmail.com> wrote:

Categorization is not at all followed in either pvt or gic sectors.
It is a uttar flap.

On Tue, 22 Apr 2025, 1:17 pm Binu Varkey, <binu.s...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Gentleman,

    What do you mean?. Please write your opinion and prove it. Simply do not say this as a blind follower of someone. Please share what is to be done in respect of the reduction of the number of surveys to Licentiates, who are beginners. For you it may be bokbas but those who find it difficult for ends to meet, it is crucial.

    Bokbas Dada please share your opinion. Let your Fresh Environment Consultancy bring good luck to you.

Regards

Binu Varkey

Insurance Surveyor and Loss Assessor

QTTSC & IRF Trained - Crash Investigator

Mob:9447187319

On Tue, 22 Apr 2025 at 09:45, santu thakur <freshenvironm...@gmail.com> wrote:

Stop bokbas

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